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HonestChieffan
03-18-2009, 05:29 PM
Does anyone in the administration even think before they say things like this?

MARCH 18, 2009, 6:55 P.M. ET

Guantanamo Detainees May Be Released in U.S. Article
By EVAN PEREZ

WASHINGTON -- Attorney General Eric Holder said some detainees being held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, may end up being released in the U.S. as the Obama administration works with foreign allies to resettle some of the prisoners.

Mr. Holder, in a briefing with reporters, said administration officials are still reviewing individual cases of the approximately 250 detainees to determine which will be put on trial and which may be released to comply with plans to close the detention facility by next year.

Six weeks into his tenure, Mr. Holder is still trying to assemble much of the Justice senior leadership, with several nominees awaiting Senate confirmation. He said he has reviewed the department's handling of white-collar criminal cases in response to the financial crisis and is considering ways to increase coordination on financial fraud among federal prosecutors and state officials. He said he is trying to increase the budget dedicated to white-collar crime, while maintaining funding for national security.

European justice ministers met with Mr. Holder earlier this week and pressed for details on how many Guantanamo prisoners the U.S. planned to release domestically, as part of any agreement for allies to accept detainees. Mr. Holder said U.S. officials would work to respond to the questions European officials have over U.S. Guantanamo plans.

For "people who can be released there are a variety of options that we have and among them is the possibility is that we would release them into this country," Mr. Holder said. "That process is ongoing and we've not made any determinations or made any requests of anybody at this point."

Among the detainees whose fate remains undetermined are 17 ethnic Uighurs, from the Central Asian region of China, who have been ordered released by a judge. The U.S. has refused to turn the men over to China, which considers them part of an separatist group.

Mr. Holder is planning to visit Mexico next month to meet with his counterparts and discuss efforts to fight the trafficking of guns from the U.S. into Mexico and the drug trade from Mexico into the U.S.

"The Mexican government has been courageous in the way it has confronted the problems that now challenge it," Mr. Holder said, noting the violence that has resulted from battles against the drug cartels in Mexico.

petegz28
03-18-2009, 05:35 PM
WTF? Why don't we release them back where we found them? This guy is a fucking idiot among idiots.

banyon
03-18-2009, 05:45 PM
For "people who can be released there are a variety of options that we have and among them is the possibility is that we would release them into this country," Mr. Holder said. "That process is ongoing and we've not made any determinations or made any requests of anybody at this point."

Among the detainees whose fate remains undetermined are 17 ethnic Uighurs, from the Central Asian region of China, who have been ordered released by a judge. The U.S. has refused to turn the men over to China, which considers them part of an separatist group.

Oh, NOES! watch out for those Chinese Uighurs!!!111!1

petegz28
03-18-2009, 05:46 PM
Oh, NOES! watch out for those Chinese Uighurs!!!111!1

If they wre in Gitmo they are not good peeps. Secondly they need to be put back where we found them.

banyon
03-18-2009, 05:52 PM
If they wre in Gitmo they are not good peeps. Secondly they need to be put back where we found them.

How did you get that information?

Calcountry
03-18-2009, 06:07 PM
If they wre in Gitmo they are not good peeps. Secondly they need to be put back where we found them.I hope they stay where we put them, don't you?

WoodDraw
03-18-2009, 06:23 PM
If they wre in Gitmo they are not good peeps. Secondly they need to be put back where we found them.

"In late 2003, the Pentagon quietly decided that 15 Chinese Muslims detained at the military prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, could be released. Five were people who were in the wrong place at the wrong time, some of them picked up by Pakistani bounty hunters for U.S. payoffs. The other 10 were deemed low-risk detainees whose enemy was China's communist government -- not the United States, according to senior U.S. officials."

Sucks to be locked up for six years for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Damn

alanm
03-18-2009, 08:27 PM
Put them on a slow boat to Taiwan.

petegz28
03-18-2009, 08:29 PM
"In late 2003, the Pentagon quietly decided that 15 Chinese Muslims detained at the military prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, could be released. Five were people who were in the wrong place at the wrong time, some of them picked up by Pakistani bounty hunters for U.S. payoffs. The other 10 were deemed low-risk detainees whose enemy was China's communist government -- not the United States, according to senior U.S. officials."

Sucks to be locked up for six years for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Damn
No excuse to dump them in out country...send them back to where we found them.

WoodDraw
03-18-2009, 08:48 PM
No excuse to dump them in out country...send them back to where we found them.

That must be part of the compassionate conservatism I hear so much about. Arrest them without reason, imprison them, and then send them back to either a war we started or home to a country where they'll be persecuted.

God forbid we let 15 innocent people whose lives we fucked up stay here.

Ultra Peanut
03-18-2009, 09:03 PM
The other 10 were deemed low-risk detainees whose enemy was China's communist government -- not the United States, according to senior U.S. officials.lol gg next map

http://j.photos.cx/radicalislam-571.jpg

petegz28
03-18-2009, 09:47 PM
That must be part of the compassionate conservatism I hear so much about. Arrest them without reason, imprison them, and then send them back to either a war we started or home to a country where they'll be persecuted.

God forbid we let 15 innocent people whose lives we ****ed up stay here.

So give them a $20 and send them back. They do not belong in this country. Drop them off in Mexico and let them sneak in like everyone else, if that is the case.

WoodDraw
03-18-2009, 09:50 PM
So give them a $20 and send them back. They do not belong in this country. Drop them off in Mexico and let them sneak in like everyone else, if that is the case.

What do you have to do to "belong" in this country?

2bikemike
03-18-2009, 09:59 PM
What do you have to do to "belong" in this country?

Inmigrate through proper channels. And if I had my way you wouldn't belong here if your illegal alien mother plopped you out here.

petegz28
03-18-2009, 09:59 PM
What do you have to do to "belong" in this country?

Be a citizen???

WoodDraw
03-18-2009, 10:08 PM
Be a citizen???

Whoa, three questions marks. Must be three times the question.

In this case, they'd be given political asylum which could lead towards citizenship presumably. I don't see any reason not to let them stay here. Seems like misplaced outrage - what's the big deal?

Ultra Peanut
03-19-2009, 02:25 AM
Inmigrate through proper channels.SPEAK AMERICAN

cookster50
03-19-2009, 12:20 PM
Inmigrate through proper channels. And if I had my way you wouldn't belong here if your illegal alien mother plopped you out here.

Be a citizen???

Hold on there, that there is CRAZY talk.

petegz28
03-19-2009, 12:24 PM
Whoa, three questions marks. Must be three times the question.

In this case, they'd be given political asylum which could lead towards citizenship presumably. I don't see any reason not to let them stay here. Seems like misplaced outrage - what's the big deal?

Why do they need politcal asylum?

WoodDraw
03-19-2009, 12:52 PM
Why do they need politcal asylum?

The Chinese aren't know for their open embrace of ethnic minorities and human rights.

They haven't been released yet because they'd be imprisoned and tortured if sent home to China. Other countries have almost taken them, but backed down to avoid pissing China off.

petegz28
03-19-2009, 12:54 PM
The Chinese aren't know for their open embrace of ethnic minorities and human rights.

They haven't been released yet because they'd be imprisoned and tortured if sent home to China. Other countries have almost taken them, but backed down to avoid pissing China off.

I thought you said they didn't do anything wrong? So which is it? They were caught in the wrong place at the wrong time or what? They obviously were not being tortured where we captured them so put them back where we found them.

And perhaps you can relay your human rights complaint to wal-mart and it's supporters who don't seem to mind exploiting the people over there?

Chief Henry
03-19-2009, 01:01 PM
What do you have to do to "belong" in this country?

Whats your zip code ? I'll forward that to the Messiah and let them know
its OK to put them in your zip code :shrug: seems fair to me.

WoodDraw
03-19-2009, 01:08 PM
I thought you said they didn't do anything wrong? So which is it? They were caught in the wrong place at the wrong time or what? They obviously were not being tortured where we captured them so put them back where we found them.

And perhaps you can relay your human rights complaint to wal-mart and it's supporters who don't seem to mind exploiting the people over there?

:spock:

I'm quoting the US government, so if you have a problem, you can take it up with them.

These people were not found in China, but are from there. The Uighurs are a muslim minority that have lived in China for a long time. Being a muslim minority with a strong sense of nationalism, the Chinese have persecuted them. Read some of the stories about the political prisoners and torture in the East Turkistan region. Not good stuff.

Because of this, a lot of the Uighurs flee from China and seek shelter in other countries. If you made it to Afghanistan or Pakistan or another Muslim country, it would be easier to immigrate into Turkey, or another country with a large group of Uighurs. There are actually a couple cities here in the US that have quite a few of them.

WoodDraw
03-19-2009, 01:09 PM
Whats your zip code ? I'll forward that to the Messiah and let them know
its OK to put them in your zip code :shrug: seems fair to me.

64145

blaise
03-19-2009, 01:34 PM
The Chinese Muslims are only some among others whose fate has yet to be determined. That being said, his comments don't get me that upset. If you read it he's not really saying anything. He's saying, at this point, he doesn't know where some are going and he won't rule out that they may stay here. It's lawyer speak, really.
Obama better hope though that it doesn't come back to bite him in the ass if one of these guys commits a terrorist act. Otherwise stuff like this and him appointing John Walker Lindh's defense attorney to a position in the Justice Department is going to start adding up pretty quick and make him look really bad.

Chief Henry
03-19-2009, 01:36 PM
64145

I'lll send that to Senator Tom Harkin and he can forward that to the Messiah and his AG. May you receive these men with open arms with your mothers- daughters and sisters in hand.

***SPRAYER
06-13-2009, 08:11 PM
Just having the appearance of someone who might possibly vote for an opponent of Barack Obama could land them on the President's enemies list where proxies do the dirty work. Political appointees in the Justice Department killed a six-month investigation by career DOJ lawyers into the most blatant voter intimidation case in 40 years. Last November, jack-booted, uniformed, baton-wielding thugs from the New Black Panther Party calling themselves "security" obstructed a Philadelphia polling location and behaved in an intimidating manner toward white voters.

Days after dismissing charges against the menacing thugs, the Justice Department moved in the opposite direction by blocking responsible steps to stem voter fraud. The DOJ barred the administrative procedures Georgia authorities put into place under federal court guidance -- to verify voter registrations. The DOJ claimed the procedures violated the rights of minority voters.

A de facto Obama enemies list and dirty political machine have been expanding since last year. Obama has established several embarrassing presidential firsts including targeting private individuals by names, assigning a well-known "partisan dirt-digger" and non-lawyer to the White House Counsel's Office to likely gain access to Bush Administration documents protected under attorney-client privilege, and moving the senior political advisor into the West Wing. These are heretofore unseen partisan practices.

Career opposition researcher Shauna Daly left the White House Counsel's Office after a mere month and returned to the Democratic National Committee where using privileged attorney-client information in the opposition research department would set a new low in unethical practices.

Attempting to build-up the Obama Administration by criticizing that of his predecessor has become a near-daily exercise. Obama has personally led efforts to demonize George W. Bush. There has been a full-court press to label enhanced detainee interrogation techniques, approved by Democratic leaders and discontinued for the past six years, as "torture." Interrogation techniques used on tens of thousands of U.S. servicemen and women for more than two decades were suddenly considered criminal acts and Bush officials in the review and approval chain have been smeared as criminals.

Two military psychologists who supervised the enhanced interrogation techniques that were used on only three terrorist leaders were publicly outed by Democratic Senator Carl Levin placing both doctors and their families in personal danger. The doctors' identities had previously been kept under wraps.

Obama's lawyers are attempting to financially ruin individuals party to the most absurd soap opera involving the 44th president. There is unabated controversy regarding his birth, citizenship and foreign travel. Obama could immediately silence his critics by authorizing the release of his original birth certificate and passport. One has to wonder what could possibly be in either document that has caused Obama to wage a fierce and expensive legal battle to keep the files secreted. Aside from Joan Rivers, nearly every American would willingly make their birth certificate available and Obama's stubborn refusal to do so only adds to the controversy.

Petty personal politics, while damaging to the dignity of the White House, have allowed the Obama Administration to elevate political allies and their causes and denigrate valid critics. David Axelrod, Obama's chief political strategist, appeared on National Public Radio last month and belittled a 21-year old beauty pageant contestant, insisting she was one of three finalists for the Obama family dog. The target of Axelrod's churlish remarks was Carrie Prejean, the reigning Miss California. Weeks earlier, Prejean was victimized by a militant homosexual judge who was angry she did not enthusiastically endorse gay marriage in response to his "have-you-stopped-beating-your-wife?" question during the Miss USA competition.

Hours after a doctor specializing in partial-birth abortions was slain, both Obama and U.S. Attorney-General Eric Holder issued statements strongly condemning the killing. Further, Holder deployed scores of U.S. Marshals to protect abortion clinics nationwide. The emphatic denunciation of this slaying differed wildly with a nearly identical murder only 24-hours later. A Muslim shot two U.S. Army soldiers outside a Little Rock recruiting station killing one. Days later, the White House quietly faxed a subdued statement to a single Arkansas news outlet while Holder remained silent regarding the act of Islamic terrorism.

This antagonistic attitude toward servicemen and women is not surprising. A few months earlier, the Department of Homeland Security issued a document warning counterterrorism and law enforcement authorities of an alleged threat to the U.S. posed by "domestic rightwing terrorists." Included in the group of potential rightwing terrorists are individuals who are pro-life, support the Second Amendment and oppose the flood of illegal aliens. The DHS pamphlet also singled out military veterans for possible recruitment into domestic terrorist cells.

The targeting of perceived political enemies by the Obama Administration has grown from mere individuals to entire groups. Evidence emerged that a common thread among the list of 789 Chrysler dealerships ordered closed by the White House is that the owners donated to GOP candidates, Republican-leaning causes or donated to Hillary Clinton or John Edwards during the Democratic presidential primaries.

Auto industry observers and others report that apparently successful franchises (such as Chrysler's highest-rated 5-star dealerships) were ordered closed in favor of less successful car lots and the consistent discriminator was which political party the owners supported. One report suggests the closure list may have been drawn up by the car czar's office.

In some instances, dealerships ordered closed were those that competed with franchises whose owners were prolific supporters or contributors to Democratic politicians. Thomas "Mack" McLarty, former chief of staff to Bill Clinton, had virtually all of the competition to his six dealership locations wiped out.

Also targeted during the auto industry purge were companies that did not willingly agree to Obama's political demands. Representatives of three secured creditors that did not receive any government bailout money reported they were threatened if they did not agree to White House demands in Chrysler's restructuring. The White House insistence that secured creditors accept only 29 cents on the dollar while inflating the value of unsecured credit claims held by the United Auto Workers turned two century-old bankruptcy policy on its head.

One fund manager reported being on the receiving end of a profanity-laced tirade by Auto Industry Task Force head Steve Rattner that included threats to use the Internal Revenue Service and the Securities and Exchange Commission in gangster-like enforcement roles.

In another exchange, Thomas Lauria, a lawyer for financial firm Perella Weinberg Partners, reported the car czar threatened that "the full force of the White House press corps would destroy its [Perella Weinberg's] reputation" unless the firm agreed to Obama administration demands in Chrysler's bankruptcy. The failure by the White House press corps to repudiate Rattner's threat speaks volumes and underscores their role as an ally of the Obama Administration.


http://spectator.org/archives/2009/06/08/obamas-enemies-list-grows

Hog Farmer
06-13-2009, 08:15 PM
Actually , if they get put in the hard core prisons , they may end up Jeffrey Dahmer style.

SBK
06-13-2009, 10:29 PM
Actually , if they get put in the hard core prisons , they may end up Jeffrey Dahmer style.

There's a good chance of that. Think of the fame, street cred and accolades you'd get for being the person that killed a terrorist.

KcFanInGA
06-14-2009, 12:04 AM
They need to give them all a fair trial, don't rush it. Obama wants to rush to actually fulfill a campaign promise now? What is the hurry here anyway?