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booger
03-19-2009, 09:53 PM
Thought this was interesting with all the ****ler drama going on.


Belichick talks Cassel trade
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal : Thursday, March 19, 2009 6:40 PM
Bill Belichick spoke on WEEI in Boston Thursday, touching on the dominant stories of the New England off-season: the Matt Cassel trade and Julius Peppers trade rumors.

Let's start with Cassel. Asked if the Patriots ever had an offer on the table for a first- and third-round pick, like ESPN's Chris Mortensen reported, Belichick flatly said, "They never made that offer to me."

Belichick indicated, in fact, there were no concrete last-minute offers. Without getting too specific, he said that he was in touch with many teams after Cassel signed his franchise tender. He implied that the rest of the league knew Cassel's situation and had plenty of chances to make a deal.

He dismissed suggestions of favoritism towards Chiefs GM Scott Pioli. "I have all the respect in the world for Scott and what he's done. [But] I work for the Patriots. I have no loyalty to anybody or any team other than the Patriots."

Few would argue with that.

When pressed about Denver's involvement in a possible three-way trade, Belichick spoke in generalities. But he rhetorically asked how many three-team trades actually get done in the NFL.

"Getting a contract done, getting a trade done, getting all that, to think that's going to happen in five minutes in a situation like that that came up that weekend -- which is what I think some people have kind of put out there -- I don't think that's really accurate. It just doesn't really happen like that in this league."

Reading between the lines, Belichick didn't have time to wait for Jay Cutler and/or Matt Cassel to work out contracts with a new team. That brings agents into the mix, in addition to a new team, and could delay the process indefinitely.

He alluded to all the rumored deals that were out there, indicating they were more speculative and hypothetical rather than concrete.

Time was of the essence. Belichick made it clear that a long-term deal for Cassel was not an option, and that New England's recent acquisitions were made possible by his trade.

Belichick took one (pick) in the hand over two in the bush.

Back with Belichick's comments about Peppers in a bit.


http://blogs.nbcsports.com/home/archives/2009/03/belichick-talks-cassel-trade.html

T-post Tom
03-19-2009, 10:00 PM
"I work for the Patriots. I have no loyalty to anybody or any team other than the Patriots."

That pretty much sums it up. So much for the conspiracy theories.

DeezNutz
03-19-2009, 10:05 PM
Let's start with Cassel. Asked if the Patriots ever had an offer on the table for a first- and third-round pick, like ESPN's Chris Mortensen reported, Belichick flatly said, "They never made that offer to me."


Interesting choice of words.

talastan
03-19-2009, 10:09 PM
Belichick isn't going to do anyone any favors. The deal the Chiefs offered was the most convinent and less time consuming. Simple as that. Sorry we got the QB your HC wanted Donkeyville. :D

Crush
03-19-2009, 10:10 PM
"I work for the Patriots. I have no loyalty to anybody or any team other than the Patriots."

That pretty much sums it up. So much for the conspiracy theories.


I refuse to believe it.


http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/3040/itsaconspiracye.jpg

cdcox
03-19-2009, 10:11 PM
Belichick likes Pioli better than McDaniels.

ChiefsCountry
03-20-2009, 01:56 AM
Its bc we took Vrabel off their books that is why we got Cassel.

Miles
03-20-2009, 02:12 AM
Its bc we took Vrabel off their books that is why we got Cassel.

Also took Cassel's huge cap figure off their books a day into the free agency signing period.

Amnorix
03-20-2009, 05:49 AM
Interesting choice of words.


Yes. Two things occurred to me when he said that:

1. they could have made the offer to another in the Patriots' organization or, more likely:

2. they could easily have made a POSSIBLE deal offer. "If we can get Tampa Bay on board and if we can work out a deal with Cassell for a long term deal, then we'll give you a 1 and a 3."


What's clear is the bottom line -- he took the deal in hand over the one in the bush, especially as he was under a tight timeframe to get Vrabel off the books and to get things set for his own free agency signings.

He couldn't afford to wait months to get this done, as was the case in the Deion BRanch situation -- and that was a trade with just ONE team.

Amnorix
03-20-2009, 05:51 AM
Its bc we took Vrabel off their books that is why we got Cassel.

Remember, we could have cut Vrabes to get the same cap result. I think, however, that the Patriots ascribed at least some value to not having Vrabel go to the Jets, Browns or Dolphins.

Amnorix
03-20-2009, 05:51 AM
Does anyone know if Denver could have taken Cassell onto their books directly without him negotiating a long term deal? Did they have about $14.5MM of cap room?

Mile High Mania
03-20-2009, 05:58 AM
I don't recall the cap #... they've signed, what... 15 guys? I think they had about $30M of cap space.

Amnorix
03-20-2009, 06:19 AM
I don't recall the cap #... they've signed, what... 15 guys? I think they had about $30M of cap space.

Right, but what did they have as of the day the Cassel trade went through. They had a flurry of signings the first 10 seconds of free agency. If that left them at <$15MM, then they couldn't have done a quick deal for Cassell, they would have had to negotiate a long term contract.

It might be easier if we knew where they were now. If they're at 20MM now, then that answers the question right there.

ChiefButthurt
03-20-2009, 06:23 AM
I'm really digging the fact that the Chiefs are on the minds of the media and all NFL fans. About effin time.......:D

Mile High Mania
03-20-2009, 06:40 AM
Right, but what did they have as of the day the Cassel trade went through. They had a flurry of signings the first 10 seconds of free agency. If that left them at <$15MM, then they couldn't have done a quick deal for Cassell, they would have had to negotiate a long term contract.

It might be easier if we knew where they were now. If they're at 20MM now, then that answers the question right there.

I have no idea how one might find that information...

wild1
03-20-2009, 06:43 AM
maybe cassel had a say in where he wanted to go? after all i doubt many teams would have traded for him if his chances of signing long term were not great

Amnorix
03-20-2009, 06:45 AM
maybe cassel had a say in where he wanted to go? after all i doubt many teams would have traded for him if his chances of signing long term were not great

He didn't have a DIRECT say, but you're right that he had a pseudo-veto. No team would trade a high 2nd or 1st if he had stated he would be unwilling to sign a long term deal.

Amnorix
03-20-2009, 06:47 AM
I have no idea how one might find that information...

Hey I'm here for you.

Broncos are at like 19MM under now, so that part would not have been an issue.

These numbers are as of March 18th, and would not have included any deals from the day or two prior to that.

AVerage cap space is like $15MM per team. NFL wide there's half a billion dollars of cap space. :eek:



Tampa Bay $39.64 million
Philadelphia $38.92 million
Kansas City $34.63 million
San Francisco $30.77 million
Green Bay $29.88 million
Chicago $28.62 million
Cleveland $22.02 million
Minnesota $21.91 million
Jacksonville $21.29 million
Denver $19.22 million
Cincinnati $16.35 million
N.Y. Jets $14.33 million
Tennessee $13.99 million
Miami $13.86 million
Houston $13.69 million
Atlanta $13.55 million
St. Louis $12.42 million
Detroit $11.78 million
Dallas $10.88 million
Oakland $10.35 million
Buffalo $10.30 million
San Diego $8.56 million
Indianapolis $7.15 million
N.Y. Giants $6.78 million
Washington $6.57 million
New England $6.07 million
Baltimore $5.99 million
Seattle $5.87 million
Carolina $5.11 million
Arizona $4.14 million
Pittsburgh $3.91 million
New Orleans $1.38 million

Mile High Mania
03-20-2009, 06:50 AM
Interesting... thanks for the view, the first year deals for those 15 new Broncos apparently are very friendly.

Amnorix
03-20-2009, 07:21 AM
Interesting... thanks for the view, the first year deals for those 15 new Broncos apparently are very friendly.

Yes, apparently, though you did chew up 10MM of space, which is a healthy amount of room. Signing bonuses are guaranteed money and get prorated, not put onto the cap this year, which also has an impact.

Figure mebbe $7'ish million for your rookies if you have a full slate of picks, which leaves a still very respectable $12MM to spend on whomever you like out there.

The problem is that too many teams have lots of cap room, so you don't have an inherent advantage over the rest of the NFL or anything by virtue of your space.

Buehler445
03-20-2009, 09:40 AM
Interesting article. I'm surprised BB is even talking to the media about this.
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Mr. Krab
03-20-2009, 09:46 AM
"I work for the Patriots. I have no loyalty to anybody or any team other than the Patriots."

That pretty much sums it up. So much for the conspiracy theories.
Good, that opens Pioli up to make another trade. :D

Amnorix
03-20-2009, 10:00 AM
Interesting article. I'm surprised BB is even talking to the media about this.
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He gives interviews to WEEI here in Boston all the time during the season, but he was somewhat unusually open about this.

If anyone cares, they can listen to it online. Let me know if you want and I will post the link.

heck -- just go to weei.com and you'll find it.

Amnorix
03-20-2009, 10:02 AM
FWIW, I'll also note that he had a few comments during his interview about how the top of the draft is a bit of a mixed blessing. You can't really get good value there.

He also discussed some rules stuff relating to franchise, tag/trade etc. It was long, though. a 42 minute interview. I listened to it last night.

orange
03-20-2009, 10:11 AM
Let's start with Cassel. Asked if the Patriots ever had an offer on the table for a first- and third-round pick, like ESPN's Chris Mortensen reported, Belichick flatly said, "They never made that offer to me."

Interesting choice of words.

Yes. Two things occurred to me when he said that:

1. they could have made the offer to another in the Patriots' organization or, more likely:

2. they could easily have made a POSSIBLE deal offer. "If we can get Tampa Bay on board and if we can work out a deal with Cassell for a long term deal, then we'll give you a 1 and a 3."



Or "I don't want to call Chris Mortensen a liar, BUT..."

JASONSAUTO
03-20-2009, 11:39 AM
Or "I don't want to call Chris Mortensen a liar, BUT..."

or "i dont want to make myself look bad"

Amnorix
03-20-2009, 11:57 AM
or "i dont want to make myself look bad"

It's pretty clear to most of us now why BB couldn't/wouldn't wait for Denver to pull together the deal. Mortensen might not have been a liar at all, but the accusations that BB was just doing this deal for his buddy Pioli or whatever are looking mroe than a bit silly.