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talastan
03-19-2009, 11:04 PM
Has the Chiefs taking Everette Brown at #3.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d80f53f26&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

DaneMcCloud
03-19-2009, 11:19 PM
He's a moron.

If Stafford is sitting there at #3, the Chiefs trade back.

keg in kc
03-19-2009, 11:28 PM
If we can't trade back, that's exactly the pick I want.

DaneMcCloud
03-20-2009, 12:05 AM
If we can't trade back, that's exactly the pick I want.

At this point in time, I feel that the #3 overall pick is not only worth at least the #15 and a high second rounder, but an additional pick as well.

IF the Chiefs stay at #3, that pick better be the foundation of the franchise (much like Derrick Thomas) for the next decade.

KCrockaholic
03-20-2009, 12:08 AM
Is he F***ing joking! lol. Everette Brown should be a good player in the NFL. Terrific size for the rush LB position, but hes not worth the #3 spot. and how in the hell does Curry drop all the way to #9? No F'n chance.

bdeg
03-20-2009, 12:42 AM
Is he F***ing joking! lol. Everette Brown should be a good player in the NFL. Terrific size for the rush LB position, but hes not worth the #3 spot. and how in the hell does Curry drop all the way to #9? No F'n chance.

Have you ever watched Everette Brown play football?

dj56dt58
03-20-2009, 01:09 AM
At this point in time, I feel that the #3 overall pick is not only worth at least the #15 and a high second rounder, but an additional pick as well.

IF the Chiefs stay at #3, that pick better be the foundation of the franchise (much like Derrick Thomas) for the next decade.

Have you seen Brown play? He's got that jump off the ball..that quick first step that DT had..skies the limit

dj56dt58
03-20-2009, 01:14 AM
Brown>>>>Curry

Mecca
03-20-2009, 01:27 AM
Pat Kirwan literally thinks that the QB's aren't elite because they are an inch to short...

philfree
03-20-2009, 06:44 AM
At this point in time, I feel that the #3 overall pick is not only worth at least the #15 and a high second rounder, but an additional pick as well.

IF the Chiefs stay at #3, that pick better be the foundation of the franchise (much like Derrick Thomas) for the next decade.

I like that idea but what if there isn't a player like that available? That may be the reality of the situation. No teams are gonna wanna trade into no mans land because the value just isn't there in this draft.


PhilFree:arrow:

Chiefnj2
03-20-2009, 09:17 AM
Brown's got a high ceiling, but a relatively low floor. He would have a lot to learn to play OLB in a 3-4. Junior DE's rarely make an impact at DE their first year. It would be 2 1/2 or so years before he really comes into his own. That's about 2 years and 4 months past the time fans would be calling him a bust.

Mecca
03-20-2009, 09:23 AM
I like Everette Brown and all but not at the 3rd pick.

And Mike Mayock absolutely hates him and I have no idea why.

Coogs
03-20-2009, 09:34 AM
That's about 2 years and 4 months past the time fans would be calling him a bust.

ROFL

I still would rather nail down the QB spot this year. Got the LT and a difference maker (hopefully) in Dorsey last year. Get the DE nest year, as we will most likely be picking pretty high again.

Chiefnj2
03-20-2009, 09:36 AM
ROFL

I still would rather nail down the QB spot this year. Got the LT and a difference maker (hopefully) in Dorsey last year. Get the DE nest year, as we will most likely be picking pretty high again.

I think Pioli feels he nailed down the QB spot.

Coogs
03-20-2009, 09:41 AM
I think Pioli feels he nailed down the QB spot.

Possibly! I still think there is a lot of smoke going on with the Cutler/Cassel thing going on. Not sure why that would happen if there wasn't a reason.

htismaqe
03-20-2009, 11:33 AM
I like Everette Brown and all but not at the 3rd pick.

And Mike Mayock absolutely hates him and I have no idea why.

Who else are you going to take?

Right now, Brown is the #1 guy on my board.

bdeg
03-20-2009, 02:03 PM
Brown's got a high ceiling, but a relatively low floor. He would have a lot to learn to play OLB in a 3-4. Junior DE's rarely make an impact at DE their first year. It would be 2 1/2 or so years before he really comes into his own. That's about 2 years and 4 months past the time fans would be calling him a bust.

I disagree. He definitely has lots of room to improve, and will be able to add size without losing speed. You're right in that usually defensive players coming out early take longer to develop, but when you watch him play his game is much more polished than Orakpo and most other defensive prospects. He'll make an immediate impact in a 3-4, assuming he can learn to cover well enough to get on the field. And if that takes some time, you can expect him to act as a pass-rush specialist and get around 10 sacks.

htismaqe
03-20-2009, 02:05 PM
The thought of taking Orakpo scares the crap out of me. I've seen one scouting website compare him to Hali.

bdeg
03-20-2009, 02:10 PM
The thought of taking Orakpo scares the crap out of me. I've seen one scouting website compare him to Hali.

I'm really not worried about it at all because I think Pioli is smarter than that. It's nice not having Carl making the decisions anymore.

Cave Johnson
03-20-2009, 02:11 PM
At this point in time, I feel that the #3 overall pick is not only worth at least the #15 and a high second rounder, but an additional pick as well.

Do any of the teams in the 15 range even have a high 2nd pick, or are you talking out of your ass again?

Chiefnj2
03-20-2009, 02:19 PM
I disagree. He definitely has lots of room to improve, and will be able to add size without losing speed. You're right in that usually defensive players coming out early take longer to develop, but when you watch him play his game is much more polished than Orakpo and most other defensive prospects. He'll make an immediate impact in a 3-4, assuming he can learn to cover well enough to get on the field. And if that takes some time, you can expect him to act as a pass-rush specialist and get around 10 sacks.

We'll have to agree to disagree on his potential early production. I see him a lot like Harvey last year. Harvey put up meh numbers at DE, a position he is familiar with. Brown would have to learn a new position and scheme.

bdeg
03-20-2009, 02:23 PM
We'll have to agree to disagree on his potential early production. I see him a lot like Harvey last year. Harvey put up meh numbers at DE, a position he is familiar with. Brown would have to learn a new position and scheme.

He would have to learn how to drop into coverage and get used to rushing from a stand-up, but his pass-rushing techniques should transfer well. Part of the reason I think we won't have much trouble is because his technique is so refined coming out as a junior. He seems like a smart guy who picks thing up very quickly.

keg in kc
03-20-2009, 02:39 PM
At this point in time, I feel that the #3 overall pick is not only worth at least the #15 and a high second rounder, but an additional pick as well.

IF the Chiefs stay at #3, that pick better be the foundation of the franchise (much like Derrick Thomas) for the next decade.I think that's exactly what Brown will be. I'd prefer to take him later, but if they're not able to trade (and I think there's a good chance that they won't), he's one of the few players I'd be fine with taking. I think he's one of a handful with superstar talent.

raybec 4
03-20-2009, 02:46 PM
I'm really not worried about it at all because I think Pioli is smarter than that. It's nice not having Carl making the decisions anymore.

Yeah but Carl or no Carl the talent pool at the top of the draft is kinda thin this year. The fact that Orakpo is mentioned in the top 5 just means there aren't that many quality choices.

Chiefnj2
03-20-2009, 02:47 PM
He would have to learn how to drop into coverage and get used to rushing from a stand-up, but his pass-rushing techniques should transfer well. Part of the reason I think we won't have much trouble is because his technique is so refined coming out as a junior. He seems like a smart guy who picks thing up very quickly.

Not to be a wise ass, but where was he against Florida?

Tribal Warfare
03-20-2009, 02:47 PM
I think that's exactly what Brown will be. I'd prefer to take him later, but if they're not able to trade (and I think there's a good chance that they won't), he's one of the few players I'd be fine with taking. I think he's one of a handful with superstar talent.

same here, I would rather attain him in the 8-11 range, but if he fits the system best to succeed in then take him.

bdeg
03-20-2009, 02:49 PM
It's only thin at the top because we don't need a QB or LT. It's really not that bad of a draft, at least for the top 15. Bottom half of the first is really weak, though.

bdeg
03-20-2009, 02:50 PM
Not to be a wise ass, but where was he against Florida?

I don't know, didn't see the game. I wouldn't be surprised if he was getting double-teamed.

In that game, FL had 317 rushing yards and 185 passing.

Tribal Warfare
03-20-2009, 02:53 PM
It's only thin at the top because we don't need a QB or LT. It's really not that bad of a draft, at least for the top 15. Bottom half of the first is really weak, though.

actually with pass rushers in this draft is pretty solid this year. Guys like Barwin, English,Mathews,Cushing, and Sintim who are available in the bottom half of the 1st to the beginning of the 2nd.

keg in kc
03-20-2009, 02:59 PM
It's only thin at the top because we don't need a QB or LT. It's really not that bad of a draft, at least for the top 15. Bottom half of the first is really weak, though.I think it's thin at the very top. There's not the usual number of blue chip prospects. Just a ton of guys who'd fall between the mid-first and mid-second any year. I'd call it deep in that range, actually, rather than weak in the bottom half of the first, but that's just me.

bdeg
03-20-2009, 02:59 PM
actually with pass rushers in this draft is pretty solid this year. Guys like Barwin, English,Mathews,Cushing, and Sintim who are available in the bottom half of the 1st to the beginning of the 2nd.

They definitely help, but usually you'd see all those guys except probably Cushing, maybe English go in the second.

bdeg
03-20-2009, 03:04 PM
I think it's thin at the very top. There's not the usual number of blue chip prospects. Just a ton of guys who'd fall between the mid-first and mid-second any year. I'd call it deep in that range, actually, rather than weak in the bottom half of the first, but that's just me.

OK, but it does look much worse than it really is because of our needs. I think it's a great time to have an early second because of that depth, but I wouldn't want to be picking at 20 and get a marginal first-rounder.

Amnorix
03-20-2009, 03:13 PM
He's a moron.

If Stafford is sitting there at #3, the Chiefs trade back.

You have almost no chance of trading back.

htismaqe
03-20-2009, 03:21 PM
You have almost no chance of trading back.

If Stafford is there, we certainly do.

Gravedigger
03-20-2009, 03:28 PM
Somebody should tell this guy the old regime is gone, this move he has us doing is so similar to Tamba Hali that it is laughable. Someone tell him Carl is no more if he didnt get the news yet.

Heres the thing Mel Kiper is a guy that teams might not listen to, but he gets the general idea right, so with Kirwan pulling a guy who doesnt belong in the top 10 on Kiper's board to get #3 money means this guy doesnt deserve to have a job.

Mecca
03-20-2009, 03:29 PM
Pat Kirwan use to work for the Jets and looks like Dave Wannestedt what's that tell you?

Mr. Flopnuts
03-20-2009, 03:31 PM
You're up in the mock there, Travis.

Chiefnj2
03-20-2009, 03:31 PM
Pat Kirwan use to work for the Jets and looks like Dave Wannestedt what's that tell you?

He's made it further in professional football than all of the posters on the Planet combined, and he has a cheesy mustache?

Mecca
03-20-2009, 03:33 PM
He's made it further in professional football than all of the posters on the Planet combined, and he has a cheesy mustache?

He worked for the Jets when they were made fun of for their draft picks...lets remember that.

Mr. Flopnuts
03-20-2009, 03:34 PM
He worked for the Jets when they were made fun of for their draft picks...lets remember that.

I SAID YOU'RE UP IN THE MOCK, TRAVIS.

DaneMcCloud
03-20-2009, 03:55 PM
He's made it further in professional football than all of the posters on the Planet combined, and he has a cheesy mustache?

BFD.

How many people on Chiefsplanet actually tried to get a job working in the NFL? You make it sound like it's fucking magic or something. Half of it (like many close-knit businesses) is nepotism and who you know. Look no further than your current head coach and GM.

It's a long, hard grind to make it in the NFL. Years of motels, lots of moving, shitty pay for a long ass time. It's got to be a PASSION.

It's not fucking rocket science. And it doesn't preclude someone on an internet forum from being right.

DaneMcCloud
03-20-2009, 03:57 PM
Do any of the teams in the 15 range even have a high 2nd pick, or are you talking out of your ass again?

I think that any team that is picking from 33-48 would be considered a "high second round pick".

Thanks for adding insight to the conversation.

:rolleyes:

Cave Johnson
03-20-2009, 04:18 PM
Pat Kirwan use to work for the Jets and looks like Dave Wannestedt what's that tell you?

I was hoping he was involved in the 1st round FB pick, but that was 2 years before his stint with the Jets.

milkman
03-20-2009, 10:31 PM
Pat Kirwan use to work for the Jets and looks like Dave Wannestedt what's that tell you?

What do his looks have to do with anything?

chiefs1111
03-20-2009, 11:50 PM
http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/

CHIEFS WILL CHECK OUT EVERETTE BROWN
Posted by Mike Florio on March 20, 2009, 11:23 p.m.

At a time when more than a few mock drafts show the Chiefs taking linebacker Aaron Curry with the third pick in round one, there’s another name that needs to be considered.

Everette Brown, defensive end/linebacker from Florida State.

According to Adam Caplan of Scout.com, the Chiefs will conduct a private workout with Brown.

If selected, Brown would likely serve as an outside linebacker in the 3-4 defense that the Chiefs will employ.

aturnis
03-21-2009, 12:03 AM
OK, but it does look much worse than it really is because of our needs. I think it's a great time to have an early second because of that depth, but I wouldn't want to be picking at 20 and get a marginal first-rounder.

Personally, I wouldn't want to be picking at 3 and getting a marginal first rounder.

bdeg
03-21-2009, 12:20 AM
Personally, I wouldn't want to be picking at 3 and getting a marginal first rounder.

So you're glad Carl's gone, too? Or...?

http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/

CHIEFS WILL CHECK OUT EVERETTE BROWN
Posted by Mike Florio on March 20, 2009, 11:23 p.m.

At a time when more than a few mock drafts show the Chiefs taking linebacker Aaron Curry with the third pick in round one, there’s another name that needs to be considered.

Everette Brown, defensive end/linebacker from Florida State.

According to Adam Caplan of Scout.com, the Chiefs will conduct a private workout with Brown.

If selected, Brown would likely serve as an outside linebacker in the 3-4 defense that the Chiefs will employ.

:clap:

htismaqe
03-21-2009, 01:40 PM
Everette Brown is a marginal 1st rounder?

Mecca
03-21-2009, 04:02 PM
Everette Brown is a marginal 1st rounder?

If you believe guys like Mike Mayock he is, he doesn't have him in his top 20.

Cave Johnson
03-21-2009, 04:07 PM
If you believe guys like Mike Mayock he is, he doesn't have him in his top 20.

Considering he had Orakpo (as of a couple weeks ago) in his top 5, I'll take his read on DE/OLBs with a grain or two of salt.

Mecca
03-21-2009, 04:11 PM
Considering he had Orakpo (as of a couple weeks ago) in his top 5, I'll take his read on DE/OLBs with a grain or two of salt.

He's really weird with that, sometimes I think he goes all Kiper and moves his board around due to getting some money from agents.

htismaqe
03-21-2009, 04:13 PM
If you believe guys like Mike Mayock he is, he doesn't have him in his top 20.

That still doesn't make him a marginal 1st rounder, it makes him a MID 1st rounder.

DaneMcCloud
03-21-2009, 04:34 PM
That still doesn't make him a marginal 1st rounder, it makes him a MID 1st rounder.

If he's being compared Lamar Woodley and Derrick Burgess, a first round pick is too high.

Woodley was a late 2nd and Burgess was 3rd. He's also shorter than both.

I know some people in the forum love him even though Mecca has pointed out good reasons why not to like him (competition against weak guards, etc.) He does not have prototypical size for a 4-3 defensive end and without the benefit of an otherwise strong 3-4 defense (i.e. Pittsburgh, NE), he may really struggle.

Personally, I don't like him in the first round for the Chiefs, though I know others will disagree.

bdeg
03-21-2009, 04:45 PM
If he's being compared Lamar Woodley and Derrick Burgess, a first round pick is too high.

Woodley was a late 2nd and Burgess was 3rd. He's also shorter than both.

I know some people in the forum love him even though Mecca has pointed out good reasons why not to like him (competition against weak guards, etc.) He does not have prototypical size for a 4-3 defensive end and without the benefit of an otherwise strong 3-4 defense (i.e. Pittsburgh, NE), he may really struggle.

Personally, I don't like him in the first round for the Chiefs, though I know others will disagree.
That's one scouting report, I've seen him ranked #1 too, opinions differ on him. Who isn't that true of?

DaneMcCloud
03-21-2009, 04:47 PM
That's one scouting report, I've seen him ranked #1 too, opinions differ on him. Who isn't that true of?

Hey, I said everyone's got their own opinion.

What you quoted just happens to be mine.

Cave Johnson
03-21-2009, 04:53 PM
If he's being compared Lamar Woodley and Derrick Burgess, a first round pick is too high.

Woodley was a late 2nd and Burgess was 3rd. He's also shorter than both.

Those are probably the least charitable comparisons. On the other end of the spectrum are the Ware and Freeney comparisons. He's probably somewhere in the middle.

DaneMcCloud
03-21-2009, 04:59 PM
Those are probably the least charitable comparisons. On the other end of the spectrum are the Ware and Freeney comparisons. He's probably somewhere in the middle.

IF that's the case, he's a late first/early second rounder.

He'll probably go in the first but if he does, whoever takes him better think he's a consistent 10+ sacks a season guy. And if he doesn't produce those numbers, he'll be considered a bust.

bdeg
03-21-2009, 05:02 PM
Hey, I said everyone's got their own opinion.

What you quoted just happens to be mine.

Not picking on you, you're just the first person I've seen have a negative opinion of him.

DaneMcCloud
03-21-2009, 05:05 PM
Not picking on you, you're just the first person I've seen have a negative opinion of him. Yes Mecca has voiced Brown's detractors, but he claims to like him.

I didn't say I didn't like him period, I said I didn't like him in the first round for the Chiefs.

He'll probably do well if he's picked by a team with an established 3-4 defense. That's IF Mecca isn't right and he just turns out to be Wimbley.

Tylerthigpen!1!
03-21-2009, 05:28 PM
I like Everette Brown and all but not at the 3rd pick.

And Mike Mayock absolutely hates him and I have no idea why.

Who would you pick then?

htismaqe
03-22-2009, 06:05 PM
If he's being compared Lamar Woodley and Derrick Burgess, a first round pick is too high.

Woodley was a late 2nd and Burgess was 3rd. He's also shorter than both.

I know some people in the forum love him even though Mecca has pointed out good reasons why not to like him (competition against weak guards, etc.) He does not have prototypical size for a 4-3 defensive end and without the benefit of an otherwise strong 3-4 defense (i.e. Pittsburgh, NE), he may really struggle.

Personally, I don't like him in the first round for the Chiefs, though I know others will disagree.

I haven't seen him compared to those guys.

I've seem him consistently ranked in the middle of the 1st round. Scott Wright has him as his #16 player overall.