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SBK
03-20-2009, 11:54 PM
CHIEFS WILL CHECK OUT EVERETTE BROWN (http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/03/20/chiefs-will-check-out-everette-brown/)

Posted by Mike Florio on March 20, 2009, 11:23 p.m. EDT


At a time when more than a few mock drafts show the Chiefs taking linebacker Aaron Curry with the third pick in round one, there’s another name that needs to be considered.


Everette Brown, defensive end/linebacker from Florida State.
According to Adam Caplan of Scout.com, the Chiefs will conduct a private workout with Brown (http://kan.scout.com/2/849085.html).


If selected, Brown would likely serve as an outside linebacker in the 3-4 defense that the Chiefs will employ.


http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/03/20/chiefs-will-check-out-everette-brown/

Fish
03-20-2009, 11:54 PM
Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeet...........

DeezNutz
03-20-2009, 11:55 PM
I could see Brown as the selection, barring the (likely remote) possibility of trading down. Hell, he could be there in a trade down, too, I suppose, assuming it's not too far down.

Mr. Flopnuts
03-20-2009, 11:58 PM
Time to try and replace Jared Allen. I don't have a problem with this at all.

Reerun_KC
03-21-2009, 12:25 AM
I am printing off superbowl reservations as we speak....

Championship! Put it on the board...................Yes!!!!!!!!!

Tylerthigpen!1!
03-21-2009, 12:33 AM
i dont get why every sportswriter says we are switching to the 3-4

Mecca
03-21-2009, 12:53 AM
Because when you look at the Chiefs moves and what FAs they've talked to it pretty much screams 3-4.

dj56dt58
03-21-2009, 01:06 AM
Brown would work in a 3-4 or a 4-3..either way he can get after the qb

with his first step..and his abilities..he could be used like DT was(hybrid)

beach tribe
03-21-2009, 02:20 AM
Would he be a reach at 3? Where's he projected, and what were his #s. I haven't paid much attention to him, did he win any awards, or accolades?

beach tribe
03-21-2009, 02:30 AM
Watching some highlights, and , holy crap, brown starts high and fast off the line, then cuts in drops his shouldr, and lifts his curled arm up underrneath the blockers arms,. JUST LIKE DT, on alot of those plays. Do I think he's DT?. no., but I like what I see.

EDIT:Just watched the rest. I don't get paid to have opinions about footgall, but this guy is worth the 3rd pick IMO. If Pioli can move down, get more pick, AND get this guy, we should all bow down, and kiss the ground that he walks on. This guy is going to be great IMO.

Another EDIT: NO. I'm not talking about the plays where they forgot to block him. How they forgot to block his ass at all boggles the mind.

ncCHIEFfan
03-21-2009, 06:39 AM
Watching some highlights, and , holy crap, brown starts high and fast off the line, then cuts in drops his shouldr, and lifts his curled arm up underrneath the blockers arms,. JUST LIKE DT, on alot of those plays. Do I think he's DT?. no., but I like what I see.

EDIT:Just watched the rest. I don't get paid to have opinions about footgall, but this guy is worth the 3rd pick IMO. If Pioli can move down, get more pick, AND get this guy, we should all bow down, and kiss the ground that he walks on. This guy is going to be great IMO.

Another EDIT: NO. I'm not talking about the plays where they forgot to block him. How they forgot to block his ass at all boggles the mind.

I see that you approve of Mr. Brown. I have not seen his highlights yet but if he gets a fellow Chief fan that excited I must check him out:thumb:

PGM
03-21-2009, 06:47 AM
I wouldn't have any problem at all if they took him. Trading down and getting him would be just gravy.

ncCHIEFfan
03-21-2009, 07:22 AM
Yep, he is a Baaadddd man! lol

suds79
03-21-2009, 07:40 AM
Seems as thought that he's regarded as the best pass rusher which is what we need.

I think he'd serve better as an OLB in a 3-4 as he's not that big but what do I know? Maybe he could be a 4-3 DE.

I would have no problem with getting the best pass rusher.

.... Still would like to see a trade down possibility as he'd probably still be around.

wazu
03-21-2009, 07:47 AM
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talastan
03-21-2009, 07:52 AM
This was the guy that I wanted to pick up. He'd be worth #3 IMO, but if we could trade down a couple of spots and still pick him up, even better. The guy plays fast and hard, and is relentless when getting to the QB. He knows some pass rush moves for getting past or through blocks. Could be a Dwight Freeny type in a 4-3, but I agree with most that as a 3-4 OLB he's a can't miss IMO. Even did well in his bowl game unlike Orakpo so that shows he doesn't fold under pressure. Make it happen Scott!! :thumb:

suds79
03-21-2009, 07:56 AM
Man that guy is fast.

If you watch the video he's got some good pass rushing moves along with speed which will serve him well at the next level.

Check out the spin move (he does this a few times) at 52 seconds. Wow.

And around the 3:15 mark he just abuses that taller Clemson LT by dipping under him.... I'd bet he'll do that a lot on the next level with so my Tackles being 6'5 and up.

Rain Man
03-21-2009, 08:03 AM
The more I hear about this guy, the more I like him.

Chiefnj2
03-21-2009, 08:11 AM
A not so good day for Brown:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRuqK99DZvg&feature=related

HemiEd
03-21-2009, 09:00 AM
The very first mock I read, had the Chiefs taking him.

Mr. Krab
03-21-2009, 10:30 AM
Don't forget about Maybin if we trade down.

Armyofme
03-21-2009, 10:53 AM
He would feel right at home with the tomahawk chop/chant!

Looks impressive.

FRCDFED
03-21-2009, 11:12 AM
This guy definately has some skills. He is worthy despite our needs at OL. Crazy speed, weighs in the 250 range so he would be a great rush backer.

FRCDFED
03-21-2009, 11:16 AM
His 40 time at the combine was 4.73

Everette Brown, DE
Height:6'2"
Weight:256
College:Florida State
Conference:ACC
Hometown:Stantonsburg, NC
High School:Beddingfield

2009 NFL Draft Prospect Scouting Report:

person
Everette Brown, DE, Florida State
Even when Everette Brown was a freshman and played a limited role on the defense, the defensive end was very productive. He only started three games as a freshman in 2006, but he managed to tally 13.5 tackles-for-loss and three sacks. As a sophomore Brown started nine games, mostly at left end. On top of his 37 tackles, Brown ended the year with 6.5 sacks and 11.5 tackles-for-loss. The 2008 season has gone pretty well for Florida State. The Seminoles have started the season 6-1 and the defense and Brown deserve a lot of credit. In those seven games, Brown (who has started every game so far in the 2008 season) is leading the team with 11.0 tackles for loss and 6.0 sacks.
That production has warranted some looks from NFL scouts. Brown has good size at 6-4 and 252 pounds, but he could stand to add some more strength. His speed and quickness are great assets, but he can get pushed around on occasion.

The good news is that Brown has room on his frame to add some more muscle and NFL teams should be willing to work with him since he has skills and instincts that cannot be taught. If Brown does declare early for the draft, and his junior year continues to go as well as it has so far, Brown could be a second round selection.

1/13 Update: Brown's 2008 collegiate season went so well that he is now a probable first-round selection. He ended the year with 13.5 sacks and 21.5 tackles-for-loss. Brown will take advantage of that success and he has declared early for the draft. If his combine numbers are as good as they should be, Brown will not last until the second round.

bdeg
03-21-2009, 11:47 AM
Watching some highlights, and , holy crap, brown starts high and fast off the line, then cuts in drops his shouldr, and lifts his curled arm up underrneath the blockers arms,. JUST LIKE DT, on alot of those plays. Do I think he's DT?. no., but I like what I see.

EDIT:Just watched the rest. I don't get paid to have opinions about footgall, but this guy is worth the 3rd pick IMO. If Pioli can move down, get more pick, AND get this guy, we should all bow down, and kiss the ground that he walks on. This guy is going to be great IMO.

Another EDIT: NO. I'm not talking about the plays where they forgot to block him. How they forgot to block his ass at all boggles the mind.
Hell ya, I love that dip move too. His spin move is perfect as well, hooking his elbow behind that of the OT. I've been pulling for this guy since January, here are some more vids too

I think we should try to get this guy. If stafford (or whoever we like at QB) isn't there I think we trade down into the 8-10 range. He's the quickest and most disruptive lineman I've seen this season. Multiple good pass rush moves. Only 252 according to FSU's site but listed at 6'4'' so should have room to grow. He finished the year with 21.5 TFL and 13.5 sacks.

What do you guys think of him?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNGyy9oiusY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXJJ14HL5EE
watch at 4:40 thats him over the right tackle
The 2nd link is the one that's already been posted. This one is the best:

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The highlights are what they are. I specified that tape because they don't focus on slomo hits of the qb, but show you every great snap start to finish. If you can't see the talent there I can't help you. Period. He's so explosive, so good at shedding blocks. Did you not see that perfect spin move where by the time he had spun he was already by the tackle's right side, controlling the tackle's arm, pushing it out of the way? That's Jared-Allen level block-shedding I saw. Insane coordination. I also liked when he knocked the Wisconsin RT flat on his ass. I could go on and on, lots of great pas-rush moves.

edit: skip to 6:20 to see the good spin move. Keep your eyes on the OT's right arm.

He also bull-rushes a guard, pushing him back 4 yards before throwing him to the ground on the next play.

wazu
03-21-2009, 11:52 AM
OK can someone tell me how to embed a video?

On the youtube page, just copy the text in the upper right in the field that says "embed" and paste it into your post.

KCrockaholic
03-21-2009, 11:54 AM
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hes just your good ol boy.

milkman
03-21-2009, 11:54 AM
What I want to know is when the Pie Man is going to schedule a visit with Sean Griffin?

bdeg
03-21-2009, 11:56 AM
On the youtube page, just copy the text in the upper right in the field that says "embed" and paste it into your post.

thanks.

I don't have sound, does Brown sound smart? Not that you could tell much from an ad

BigChiefFan
03-21-2009, 11:59 AM
I'd take Everette Brown over Curry anyday. I don't get the fascination with Curry.

wazu
03-21-2009, 12:04 PM
thanks.

I don't have sound, does Brown sound smart? Not that you could tell much from an ad

He was okay. He was kind of monotone, clearly reading a script.

bdeg
03-21-2009, 12:05 PM
A not so good day for Brown:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRuqK99DZvg&feature=related

DE's can't get the jump they usually do when the ground is soaked. And Florida ran all over them, Brown is better against the pass, and better when his team isn't giving up 375 rushing yards. That's no fun for an undersized DE.

Rain Man
03-21-2009, 12:09 PM
He was okay. He was kind of monotone, clearly reading a script.


If he can read, he's probably at least average for a defensive end.

bdeg
03-21-2009, 12:11 PM
So long as he didn't sound like a half-wit or huge thug, good enough for me. I heard he was a high-character guy though.

wazu
03-21-2009, 12:14 PM
So long as he didn't sound like a half-wit or huge thug, good enough for me. I heard he was a high-character guy though.

No, neither. Plus it's kind of a nice role-model message to send. Says he doesn't dip, doesn't smoke, etc.

htismaqe
03-21-2009, 12:45 PM
Brown is #1 on my draft board right now.

Brock
03-21-2009, 12:49 PM
He's rising in my estimation too. Just my worthless opinion.

bowener
03-21-2009, 01:42 PM
A not so good day for Brown:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRuqK99DZvg&feature=related

That just looks like a terrible game for all of FSU, and the hardest thing for a DE to deal with is a team with a running QB. If you rush too far upfield he will cut inside you for a big runoff, if you get pushed inside he will bust it outside, if you stay at home he will throw... its just a shitty situation for a DE to be in, and why it is a good move (when you can do it) to neutralize a great player like Brown.

He would feel right at home with the tomahawk chop/chant!

Looks impressive.

Thats what I was thinking. I also think, of all the players we could draft, he would be the most excited, and inspired by watching some DT tapes.

His 40 time at the combine was 4.73

Everette Brown, DE
Height:6'2"
Weight:256
College:Florida State
Conference:ACC
Hometown:Stantonsburg, NC
High School:Beddingfield

Reminds me a little of somebody I would love to have:
Demarcus Ware
Height: 6'4
Weight: 251
College: Troy
Possibly a major difference though, Ware's 40 time of 4.56, but it seems this years combine was a bit slower than in recent years, so I do not know how much a difference that has made. But anytime your team ends up with a guy like Ware, damn!


This is the guy that Orakpo wishes he could be right now. Im not saying that Orakpo wouldnt be a beast from an OLB position, but Brown looks so much quicker, and he seems to already natrually possess the moves too. With some Krumerie slap drills, he could make us all forget about Jared Allen.

bowener
03-21-2009, 01:50 PM
Brown is #1 on my draft board right now.

You and this guy both.

Mock Draft (http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=524264)

1. Detroit Lions
Everette Brown, DE, Florida State
2. St. Louis Rams (http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/teams/rams/index.html)
Jason Smith, OT, Baylor
3. Kansas City Chiefs (http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/teams/chiefs/index.html)
B.J. Raji, DT, Boston College
4. Seattle Seahawks (http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/teams/seahawks/index.html)
Aaron Curry, OLB, Wake Forest
5. Cleveland Browns (http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/teams/browns/index.html)
Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia
6. Cincinnati Bengals (http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/teams/bengals/index.html)
Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia
7. Oakland Raiders (http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/teams/raiders/index.html)
Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech
8. Jacksonville Jaguars (http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/teams/jaguars/index.html)
Andre Smith, OT, Alabama
9. Green Bay Packers (http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/teams/packers/index.html)
Larry English, DE, Northern Illinois
10. San Francisco 49ers
Mark Sanchez, QB, USC
Notes
Why Brown at No. 1? The Lions believe they have too many holes to grab a quarterback with the top pick, so they gamble on Brown becoming a pass rusher in the mold of Dwight Freeney.

Has there ever been 3 defensive players taken in the first 4 spots?

I have to admit, Seattle would have some pretty sick LBers with Curry and Tatupu.

edit: And if the Browns take that pick, who do they trade Quinn too?

Craqhead
03-21-2009, 01:53 PM
He would feel right at home with the tomahawk chop/chant!

Looks impressive.

Can't remember the last time I heard that at Arrowhead.

Chocolate Hog
03-21-2009, 02:23 PM
This guy will be a better player then Curry. I said we should draft down with one of those teams who wants an o-linemen get an extra pick and draft Brown. If we can't trade down I like Raji.

soundmind
03-21-2009, 02:39 PM
Can't remember the last time I heard that at Arrowhead.

That's because it hasn't happened since the last time we got a sack.

Cave Johnson
03-21-2009, 02:40 PM
This guy will be a better player then Curry. I said we should draft down with one of those teams who wants an o-linemen get an extra pick and draft Brown. If we can't trade down I like Raji.

The ideal scenario would be to pick up Brown and an extra pick, but if we stay at 3, Brown's the pick. Adding a $30M+ RT (or moving Albert), DT, ILB, or QB (although I'm sure the drafterbators would disagree) doesn't improve the team as much as a guy who shores up the weakest part of our team. Plus, as a DE/OLB hybrid, he'll help camouflage our schemes.

Even if Curry has a Pat Willis-type impact, which I tend to doubt, he's still not worth the 3rd pick.

keg in kc
03-21-2009, 02:47 PM
He's rising in my estimation too. Just my worthless opinion.Yeah, I've been high on the guy for a while, but I don't get a vote in the warroom.

Craqhead
03-21-2009, 02:48 PM
That's because it hasn't happened since the last time we got a sack.


Yeah... but i miss the hair on the back of my neck standing up.

Chocolate Hog
03-21-2009, 02:51 PM
The ideal scenario would be to pick up Brown and an extra pick, but if we stay at 3, Brown's the pick. Adding a $30M+ RT (or moving Albert), DT, ILB, or QB (although I'm sure the drafterbators would disagree) doesn't improve the team as much as a guy who shores up the weakest part of our team. Plus, as a DE/OLB hybrid, he'll help camouflage our schemes.

Even if Curry has a Pat Willis-type impact, which I tend to doubt, he's still not worth the 3rd pick.

At 3 Raji is the pick. a NG is more important. Plus we'll be playing 3-4 & 4-3 Raji can play both I don't know where Brown would play in the 4-3.

Mecca
03-21-2009, 02:56 PM
It's really who you listen to I guess, I like him but if you believe Mike Mayock "he's to short to be a OLB"

Height: 6-1 1/2 | Weight: 256 | 40-Time: 4.73

Strengths:
Excellent athleticism...Great speed and quickness...Explosive with a burst...Possesses a terrific first step...Agile with good change of direction and balance...Has big hands and uses them well...Has a varied repertoire of pass rush moves...Can be effective off the edge or inside...Good strength...Has a great motor...Does a nice job in pursuit and closes in a hurry...Offers some positional versatility...Strong work ethic...A team leader...Very productive...Still has considerable upside.

Weaknesses:
Does not have the ideal height or bulk that you look for...Might have to make a position change at the next level...Does not hold up well against the run...Pretty raw and wasn't used much in coverage...A little inconsistent...Frame is close to being maxed out...Marginal instincts and awareness...Poor program pedigree...Limited starting experience.

Notes:
Could be either a 4-3 defensive end or a 3-4 outside linebacker in the pros...Redshirted in 2005...Saw extensive action as a backup early in his career but did not emerge as a full-time starter until his junior year...Garnered a number of 2nd Team All-American honors in '08...Named 1st Team All-ACC and finished as the runner-up for ACC Player of the Year and Defensive Player of the Year after leading the conference in sacks and tackles for a loss in '08...Finished the 2008 season third in the nation in sacks and was the only player to rank in the top four in both sacks and tackles for loss...His 46.5 career tackles for a loss rank second in Florida St. history...Will have to battle the stigma that is associated with Seminole defensive ends because guys like Jamal Reynolds, Alonzo Jackson and Kamerion Wimbley have not fared well in recent years...One of the top pass rushers in the '09 Draft.

This thread has alot of takes on Brown some like him and some well think he's just another FSU bust waiting to happen..

http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30763&highlight=mayock+everette+brown

Mecca
03-21-2009, 02:59 PM
Don't forget about Maybin if we trade down.

Here's the player I will never understand anyone liking..his pass rush moves consistent of basically speed rushing around the end, he went and gained weight and proceeded to lose nearly all of his speed and natural ability.

Aaron Maybin is young but at the next level no one really knows what he is...and even if he does become an impact player it's going to be atleast a couple of years.

There isn't a player more raw in the draft and his upside may be nothing more than a pass down rusher.

Cave Johnson
03-21-2009, 03:00 PM
Here's another scouting report.

3. Everette Brown*, LB/DE/Florida St
Measurables: 6'2" 256; 4.73; 26 reps
2008 Stats: 36 tackles; 21.5 TFL; 13.5 sacks; 4 FF

Pros: He's one of the most naturally gifted and instinctive pass rushers coming out of college that I've seen in a long time. Shows great potential as a possible 3-4 OLB and has the athleticism in space that could help him dropping into coverage. He also has the frame to put on more weight if a 4-3 team would like him to stay at end. Explosive off the edge with very good technique and leverage.

Cons: He might take a little time to develop at either position, and isn't quite the physical freak that DeMarcus Ware or Shawne Merriman are. Not great vs. the run as a DE but can hold his own. If it didn't work out at LB he might be relegated to situational pass rusher duty, but that seems unlikely to me.

Outlook: He'll probably be off the board toward the end of the top 10, but most people don't have him ranked near as high as I do and he could go to a mid-to-late 1st team that runs a 3-4 (Pats @ 23?). Right now Green Bay @ #9 or San Francisco @ #10 seem like the most logical destinations.

NFL Comparison: LaMarr Woodley/Derrick Burgess

http://maxnfldraft.blogspot.com/

chiefs1111
03-21-2009, 03:00 PM
i wouldn't mind taking Brown if we are able to trade down,I don't like him at #3 though.

Cave Johnson
03-21-2009, 03:04 PM
Plus we'll be playing 3-4 & 4-3 Raji can play both I don't know where Brown would play in the 4-3.

End. He's taller than Dwight Freeney.

Chocolate Hog
03-21-2009, 03:04 PM
Here's the player I will never understand anyone liking..his pass rush moves consistent of basically speed rushing around the end, he went and gained weight and proceeded to lose nearly all of his speed and natural ability.

Aaron Maybin is young but at the next level no one really knows what he is...and even if he does become an impact player it's going to be atleast a couple of years.

There isn't a player more raw in the draft and his upside may be nothing more than a pass down rusher.

Sounds like the LB version of Amobie Okoye. I bet Chiefsplanet wanted him.

Mecca
03-21-2009, 03:05 PM
End. He's taller than Dwight Freeney.

I think they're about the same actually....here was a post I just came across not saying I really agree with this but it's the other side of the coin take..

I don't really know the knocks on Orakpo (Other than he was a late bloomer and being raw), but I would venture to say that his maxed-out frame is a concern. It's a big reason why I don't have him in the top 10. I can't speak for scouts, but I see his size, and I push him out of the top 10.

Brown being 6'1'' brings a lot question marks. Very few players play DE or OLB (34) at 6'1''. Brown has an elite first step and the burst and ability to turn the corner of a top 10 pick. He has a very good spin move. Everyone knows that, and for that you get Dwight Freeney comparisons.

The guy got a ton of sacks against VERY SLOW tackles and guards that just couldn't match up with his speed and athletic ability. Against NFL tackles it just ain't going to be that easy, and his size will be something he has to overcome. He's never had to overcome his size. His athletic ability always put the opposing guy at a disadvantage. Now, he's going to see much stronger, faster, and BIGGER tackles at the next level. If he faced a 6'5'' guy in college, that guy couldn't move at all and Brown would just run around him, then hit him with a spin.

I really don't see him being anything more than a situational guy. I could see him putting up some sacks and having a successful career if he lands in the right situation, but I don't want a guy that's 6'1'' playing 60 downs for my team at DE or OLB.

htismaqe
03-21-2009, 03:12 PM
At 3 Raji is the pick. a NG is more important. Plus we'll be playing 3-4 & 4-3 Raji can play both I don't know where Brown would play in the 4-3.

They're not going to pass on a potential game-changing OLB because of the 4-3.

Mecca
03-21-2009, 03:14 PM
If you start debating Brown and Orakpo neither one comes from exactly a good school to be proud of it's history, Florida States DE's have pretty much had horrible careers in the NFL.

Chocolate Hog
03-21-2009, 03:16 PM
If you start debating Brown and Orakpo neither one comes from exactly a good school to be proud of it's history, Florida States DE's have pretty much had horrible careers in the NFL.

Penn State Rb's suck in the NFL LJ was a good pick. I think Brown is the only FSU player in the draft? Texas has alot of talent and the best Defensive cordintaor in college football.

Mecca
03-21-2009, 03:19 PM
Penn State Rb's suck in the NFL LJ was a good pick. I think Brown is the only FSU player in the draft? Texas has alot of talent and the best Defensive cordintaor in college football.

School pedigree is kind of an issue at times...part of the reason I don't like Texas players is very few of them have succeeded in the NFL..

There have been alot of DE's or DE/OLB tweeners picked extremely high from FSU that ended up not being any good we can go all the way back to Andre Wadsworth.

So I generally think that argument between these 2 is a wash..I've seen more ability from Brown which is why I think it's weird to see Orakpo get rated higher...I honestly think Orakpo is rated higher because he takes his shirt off and shows off his bodybuilder physique and he's 2 inches taller so he looks the part despite not really playing like it.

bdeg
03-21-2009, 03:21 PM
Dude, Brown is practically 6'2, look it up. James Harrison is 6'0 and Joey Porter is 6'3, there's nothing wrong with his height, and I've read reports he will have no problem adding weight without losing speed.

Mecca
03-21-2009, 03:25 PM
Dude, Brown is practically 6'2, look it up. James Harrison is 6'0 and Joey Porter is 6'3, there's nothing wrong with his height, and I've read reports he will have no problem adding weight without losing speed.

Yes but we're going to be debating taking him 3rd and people are going to tell you, he's not worthy of that because every player you listed wasn't even a 1st round pick let alone a top 5 guy.

bdeg
03-21-2009, 03:28 PM
Yes but we're going to be debating taking him 3rd and people are going to tell you, he's not worthy of that because every player you listed wasn't even a 1st round pick let alone a top 5 guy.

Did their height stop them from getting sacks or being impact players? I don't understand the problem. Maybe it's not a plus, but a great player is a great player. I'm not sure what to make of Mayock, the sportingnews guy who supposedly does all his scouting had Brown going #1 overall. Noone's perfect, and noone has the time to grade all the film of all the prospects.

bdeg
03-21-2009, 03:32 PM
Here's the player I will never understand anyone liking..his pass rush moves consistent of basically speed rushing around the end, he went and gained weight and proceeded to lose nearly all of his speed and natural ability.

Aaron Maybin is young but at the next level no one really knows what he is...and even if he does become an impact player it's going to be atleast a couple of years.

There isn't a player more raw in the draft and his upside may be nothing more than a pass down rusher.

A team will like him because he has that speed rush. They'll think they can teach the rest, and along with his speed he could then be great.
This is the same reason some team will take Orakpo early(minus the speed (at least first step), plus strength)

You're right though, very raw and boom/bust.

beach tribe
03-21-2009, 03:32 PM
Did their height stop them from getting sacks or being impact players? I don't understand the problem. Maybe it's not a plus, but a great player is a great player. I'm not sure what to make of Mayock, the sportingnews guy who supposedly does all his scouting had Brown going #1 overall. Noone's perfect, and noone has the time to grade all the film of all the prospects.

Everyone has an opinion. The only one that matters is Pioli's.

Cave Johnson
03-21-2009, 03:48 PM
Everyone has an opinion. The only one that matters is Pioli's.

From my perspective, Brown seems to be a "Patriot" character guy. Durable, more of a on-field performer than combine superstar, and not likely to slack after getting a mega-contract.

http://www.buffalorumblings.com/ncaaf/players/l.ncaa.org.mfoot-p.47461

Mecca
03-21-2009, 03:51 PM
Aaron Maybin reminds me of Wimbley, speed and 1 move...

The sportingnews isn't really a good source anymore honestly, their draft coverage has really really gone downhill.

L.A. Chieffan
03-21-2009, 04:00 PM
School pedigree is kind of an issue at times..

couldnt agree more, especially when it comes to SC QBs

DaneMcCloud
03-21-2009, 04:03 PM
Aaron Maybin reminds me of Wimbley, speed and 1 move...

The sportingnews isn't really a good source anymore honestly, their draft coverage has really really gone downhill.

I always thought Dan Pompei and Vinnie Iyer completely sucked. The Sporting News hasn't been a good football rag like, ever.

bdeg
03-21-2009, 04:11 PM
I always thought Dan Pompei and Vinnie Iyer completely sucked. The Sporting News hasn't been a good football rag like, ever.

Russ Lande is the guy I was referring to who set up the mock online.

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=524264

http://www.gmjr.com/testimonials.php

Mecca
03-21-2009, 04:13 PM
Go over to NFLDraftcountdown or any draft website that mock that Lande did got laughed at..basically everyone made fun of him and said now we see why he's a former scout.

bdeg
03-21-2009, 04:15 PM
Go over to NFLDraftcountdown or any draft website that mock that Lande did got laughed at..basically everyone made fun of him and said now we see why he's a former scout.

Yes, Brown #1 overall is definitely a stretch considering the Lions' needs. But it does show that a guy who knows what he's talking about thinks highly of him, Mayock's opinion isn't universal between people who know what they're talking about.

DaneMcCloud
03-21-2009, 04:17 PM
Yes, Brown #1 overall is definitely a stretch considering the Lions' needs.

The Lions are like the Chiefs.

They need everything.

That being said, I think they'd be better off with the QB or the LT.

They need a "sure thing" which I why I think they'll go LT.

bdeg
03-21-2009, 04:21 PM
The Lions are like the Chiefs.

They need everything.

That being said, I think they'd be better off with the QB or the LT.

They need a "sure thing" which I why I think they'll go LT.

We don't need a QB or LT, which is where the value is at the top. That's why it makes more sense for us to take Brown than the Lions.

Mecca
03-21-2009, 04:27 PM
http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30905&highlight=lande

Read that thread...

DaneMcCloud
03-21-2009, 04:27 PM
We don't need a QB or LT, which is where the value is at the top. That's why it makes more sense for us to take Brown than the Lions.

Which is exactly why I think Pioli will do anything to trade down at least once in the first round, regardless of the "Value Chart" ratings.

bdeg
03-21-2009, 04:34 PM
http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30905&highlight=lande

Read that thread...

I already said the mock was a little silly. I'll read through that later, but you're taking the opinions of forum posters over (former)professionals.

keg in kc
03-21-2009, 04:35 PM
Go over to NFLDraftcountdown or any draft website that mock that Lande did got laughed at..basically everyone made fun of him and said now we see why he's a former scout.This is one of those years I don't think I'd laugh at any mock. I think it's going to be a weird draft.

beach tribe
03-21-2009, 04:45 PM
Which is exactly why I think Pioli will do anything to trade down at least once in the first round, regardless of the "Value Chart" ratings.

I think so too. I believe we'll go a little under "value" anyway to pick up extra picks. I think the value chart is bogus anyway. All drafts are different so therefore values will be different. With there not being that much elite talent in this draft high picks should not have as much value, but some will swear if we don't get what that chart says that we're getting ripped off, and I disagree.

If you can improve your team MORE by trading for less than that chart says then it is a successful trade. It's all about getting the most out of your picks. Not what some stupid chart says, and by judging Piloi's past he agrees,. and rightfully so.

evolve27
03-21-2009, 04:56 PM
If Detroit or STL don't take Brown, then I sure hope we do. Guy is a beast. Fear the Spear!

DaneMcCloud
03-21-2009, 04:58 PM
If Detroit or STL don't take Brown, then I sure hope we do. Guy is a beast. Fear the Spear!

I don't think there's a chance in hell of Detroit or St. Louis taking Brown.

evolve27
03-21-2009, 05:00 PM
I don't think there's a chance in hell of Detroit or St. Louis taking Brown.

Print 'em. Actually Curry is who it's gonna be, unless he's gone we trade spots to pick up Everette. Brown is rarely in the top 5 on any mocks. He's a top 10.

ncCHIEFfan
03-21-2009, 05:05 PM
I don't think there's a chance in hell of Detroit or St. Louis taking Brown.

Agreed!!

keg in kc
03-21-2009, 05:07 PM
Print 'em. Actually Curry is who it's gonna be, unless he's gone we trade spots to pick up Everette. Brown is rarely in the top 5 on any mocks. He's a top 10.Have a feeling that changes the closer the draft gets. There's been a lot of hype about Brown recently.

If we go linebacker, either one, I almost feel sorry for him. 20 years after DTs picked at 4, the same year he's going into the HoF. Yeah, no pressure there.

bdeg
03-21-2009, 06:23 PM
http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30905&highlight=lande

Read that thread...

"What if it happens, then what?"

I can see some of his picks happening, but some of the other ones are totally out there. Completely out of left field IMO. What are the chances of Brown being drafted with the first pick? Or Stafford ending up in Cleveland

It's really not as bad as your making it seem. I mean yeah it's a lot different especially with Brown going to Detroit and Stafford to Cleveland, but other than that, what's wrong with it? All the other picks make some sort of sense.

KC taking a Raji after taking Dorsey last year isn't strange to you?
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Not even everyone over there agrees, those are the only 11 responses I read.

Smed1065
03-21-2009, 06:31 PM
True fans!

Why draft that high?

We can get a pick in the 3rd!

Fuck the new regime!

They did not hire me!

I am God! Just ask.

I am better but have commitments

LOL

bdeg
03-21-2009, 07:40 PM
http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30905&highlight=lande

Read that thread...

Not impressed. Honestly, I could argue against half of their points. For instance, if Stafford fell to the Browns I wouldn't be shocked if they took him. Word on the street is Mangenius isn't too hot on Quinn or Anderson and is looking for a new QB. If he's impressed enough with Stafford to think he's worth the #1, you don't think he'd take him at #5? Quinn has high trade value, maybe keep Anderson while you groom Stafford.

KCBOSS1
03-21-2009, 09:10 PM
I don't know if I missed this comment in the other comments....but aren't we pretty set up at LB right now? Brown does look like a beast.

KCBOSS1
03-21-2009, 09:11 PM
Dang....I was watching that video on the first page of this thread posted by Adam.....I mean, DANG!

KcMizzou
03-21-2009, 09:45 PM
True fans!

Why draft that high?

We can get a pick in the 3rd!

**** the new regime!

They did not hire me!

I am God! Just ask.

I am better but have commitments

LOLThe orange takes the cheese.

The shark says so!

George Washington liked to whittle.

The reaper hates the salt.

I am better, but I am fucking stupid.

DeezNutz
03-21-2009, 09:54 PM
I don't know if I missed this comment in the other comments....but aren't we pretty set up at LB right now? Brown does look like a beast.

Set at LB? :eek:

Yes, if by "set" you mean that we don't have a single fucking one. In that case, we're golden.

DaneMcCloud
03-21-2009, 10:01 PM
Set at LB? :eek:

Yes, if by "set" you mean that we don't have a single ****ing one. In that case, we're golden.

I'm not as impressed by the video as some people. The first few minutes show him playing well, but against Chattanooga.

Mayock doesn't even have him in his Top 6 OLB's and only has him as the third best DE available.

Again, I know that a few people have a giant hard on for the guy.

I'm just not one of them.

He's the new Mike Peterson.

DeezNutz
03-21-2009, 10:06 PM
I'm not as impressed by the video as some people. The first few minutes show him playing well, but against Chattanooga.

Mayock doesn't even have him in his Top 6 OLB's and only has him as the third best DE available.

Again, I know that a few people have a giant hard on for the guy.

I'm just not one of them.

He's the new Mike Peterson.

I thought the same thing about the highlight video. It's kind of a sack of shit, to be honest.

If you're compiling tape on a guy, at least show him going up against high-quality competition. He damned well better kick the dogshit out of the 1AA players he was lined up against at the start.

keg in kc
03-21-2009, 10:07 PM
He's the new Mike Peterson.Wait, when did we start talking about Aaron Curry?

DeezNutz
03-21-2009, 10:10 PM
Wait, when did we start talking about Aaron Curry?

No, no. You must have been sleeping.

He's the hands down "safest" prospect in the draft. Keep repeating that when stroking to Pioli.

bdeg
03-21-2009, 11:59 PM
I'm not as impressed by the video as some people. The first few minutes show him playing well, but against Chattanooga.

Mayock doesn't even have him in his Top 6 OLB's and only has him as the third best DE available.

Again, I know that a few people have a giant hard on for the guy.

I'm just not one of them.

He's the new Mike Peterson.
Did you guys watch this one?


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8 great plays vs a ranked wake forest(only one of which really looks like a missed blocking assignment to me), 11 against clemson, and 8 against a ranked maryland.

bdeg
03-22-2009, 12:00 AM
I thought the same thing about the highlight video. It's kind of a sack of shit, to be honest.

If you're compiling tape on a guy, at least show him going up against high-quality competition. He damned well better kick the dogshit out of the 1AA players he was lined up against at the start.

The one on the front page does suck ass, check out the one I posted.

Halfcan
03-22-2009, 12:06 AM
he could be the next Tambi Hali.

Mecca
03-22-2009, 12:12 AM
he could be the next Tambi Hali.

He's faster and I think has more pass rushing moves today than Hali has.

keg in kc
03-22-2009, 01:03 AM
Way more athletic than Hali, and he has a nutty quick first step.