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T-post Tom
03-21-2009, 12:45 AM
He's not on the trading block as of right now. But his current tiff with Mangini might make him available at some point. Would you trade for him? What is he worth?

Rogers skips first week of Camp Mangini in Cleveland

Apparently, the rift between Cleveland Browns Pro Bowl nose tackle Shaun Rogers and coach Eric Mangini has not been resolved.

According to the Cleveland Plain Dealer, Rogers skipped the first week of Mangini's first off-season program. Rogers' agent, Kennard McGuire, reached by phone, declined to comment.

According to the Plain Dealer, Rogers was angered that his first contact from the new regime was a mandate to show up for the off-season program at a prescribed weight, a source said. Rogers felt that because he played hurt the second half of last season and was in compliance with his weight requirement all year, such a command was unnecessary.

Rogers had asked the Browns not to pay him the $6 million option bonus he was due this month and to release him instead, a source said. But the Browns had no intentions of releasing their top defensive player, a source close to the team said.

Source: Cleveland Plain Dealer

RustShack
03-21-2009, 01:13 AM
Yes.

Von Dumbass
03-21-2009, 01:28 AM
Cutler and Tony Scheffler for Rodgers, Quinn, the #5 pick, a 2nd rounder, and a 1st round pick next year.

wild1
03-21-2009, 01:55 AM
please... you couldn't get the #5 pick for cutler. scheffler makes it worth #5, another #1, and a #2, and rodgers, and quinn?

Von Dumbass
03-21-2009, 02:10 AM
please... you couldn't get the #5 pick for cutler. scheffler makes it worth #5, another #1, and a #2, and rodgers, and quinn?

The team is expected to reach out to Cutler and agent Bus Cook before departing for Southern California, but once there, trade offers could pour in. All 32 head coaches are expected to attend the league meetings. If the Broncos do decide it's best for the organization to trade Cutler, what can the team expect in return?

"They should be able to pick a quarterback off a roster and get two No. 1s one this year and one next year," an NFL executive said.

http://www.denverpost.com/sportsheadlines/ci_11945847?source=rss

beach tribe
03-21-2009, 02:18 AM
for the right price. Of Course .I'm Wasted.

MIAdragon
03-21-2009, 05:36 AM
[The team is expected to reach out to Cutler and agent Bus Cook before departing for Southern California, but once there, trade offers could pour in. All 32 head coaches are expected to attend the league meetings. If the Broncos do decide it's best for the organization to trade Cutler, what can the team expect in return?

"They should be able to pick a quarterback off a roster and get two No. 1s one this year and one next year," a Bronco executive said. ]

FYP

unlurking
03-21-2009, 06:09 AM
A QB and TWO #1's for Cutler?!

Somebody is smoking some serious shit.

PRIEST
03-21-2009, 06:16 AM
A QB and TWO #1's for Cutler?!

Somebody is smoking some serious shit.


THIS

for Jeff George # 2 :eek:

ncCHIEFfan
03-21-2009, 06:29 AM
:hmmm:I am thinking 7624 was...uummmmm...kidding

rad
03-21-2009, 06:50 AM
Cutler and Tony Scheffler for Rodgers, Quinn, the #5 pick, a 2nd rounder, and a 1st round pick next year.


You are high as fuck if you think half of that.

http://www.denverpost.com/sportsheadlines/ci_11945847?source=rss

That means dick.

KCUnited
03-21-2009, 06:52 AM
That is exactly how he would've been treated with this regime.

suds79
03-21-2009, 07:47 AM
He's a pain in the @ss but man he's good.

So yes I would. Not every player on your team is going to be an angel.

How about get get Rogers, lose Johnson and call it even? :p

But if we go to a 3-4, you HAVE to have that NT. So he'd be your answer....

Unless you're trying to grab Raji this year or Cody next year.

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-21-2009, 08:18 AM
3-4 nose tackles can last a long time.

He could be productive for another 5 years. If you only have to part with a mid-rounder for him, it's worth it.

wild1
03-21-2009, 08:20 AM
i wouldn't give up a first or a second for it or anything. but he would be a nice fit.

Wilson8
03-21-2009, 08:26 AM
http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/blog/index.ssf/2009/03/terry_plutos_blog_making_shaun.html

1. While some fans gnash their teeth and wish evil things for coach Eric Mangini every time a Brady Quinn rumor is floated, the Browns have a much bigger problem than trying to figure out who should be their quarterback. That's because I believe it will be Quinn, and everything else is posturing to increase the possible trade value of Derek Anderson.

2. Nor is the problem Donte Stallworth. Nothing the Browns can do will change the future of the receiver, who killed a man while driving a week ago. That is purely in the hands of law enforcement. Besides, even with Stallworth -- probably not a favorite because of his history of being hurt and inconsistent -- the Browns are shopping for receivers.

3. The problem is Shaun Rogers, and it's much deeper than the star defensive tackle not being in town for "voluntary workouts." It's also more disconcerting than the split between Mangini and Rogers over the coach not connecting with the player in January when both were at a banquet. That can be repaired.


The problem is money. The problem is Rogers wanted to be a free agent this season, especially after seeing Albert Haynesworth bagged $100 million from Washington. The problem is if Rogers can't get out of his contract now -- and he can't -- he'd love to be a free agent by next season. That's because there might be no salary cap in 2010, according to the NFL labor agreement.

4. For Rogers, the problem is that Mangini and GM George Kokinis love how he plays. So far, they have zero interest in trading him, although Rogers or people in his camp might try to stir up some rumors. This situation is their first big challenge because it can get ugly. The 360-pound Rogers was in an excellent mood last season, loved playing for former coach Romeo Crennel and kept his weight under control. But he has swelled to more than 380 in the past. If he skips spring and early summer workouts ... maybe he will stay in shape, but then again, maybe not.

5. The Browns are very concerned about their defensive line. They see Rogers in the middle, and then there's ... well, Corey Williams, who didn't adjust from a 4-3 in Green Bay to the Browns' 3-4. And there's Robaire Smith, coming off a severe Achilles injuury. And there's Shaun Smith, coming off a fight in the weight room with Quinn. For the Browns, there are lots of holes on the line -- and the last thing they want to do is create a Grand Canyon by losing Rogers.

6. Another problem for Rogers is the contract extension he signed a year ago when dealt by Detroit. Former GM Phil Savage guaranteed $20 million over the first three years of the deal -- which now looks like a very smart move. His 2009 salary is $2.4 million, plus a $6 million roster bonus. In 2010, it's $7 million. Those two years are guaranteed. In 2011, it's $5.5 million; $5.6 million in 2012 and $5.5 million in 2013.

7. Another problem for the Browns is Rogers being a very sensitive man, and when some people do feel neglected or hurt, they struggle to produce their best. The Browns don't just need Rogers physically back in camp, they need him mentally engaged in what the team is doing -- and what Mangini and Rob Ryan want from their defense.

8. The Browns have to decide how to handle this. In the spring, it's easy to say, "Forget the guy, if he's going to be an attitude problem, trade him." That probably won't lead to a good deal. It's what Detroit did last year, sending the Browns a Pro Bowl tackle for Leigh Bodden and a third-round pick. And Bodden is now with New England, so what do they have to show for Rogers? The Browns can't take this approach, they have so few Pro Bowl caliber players already that losing another would be a terrible setback.

9. Not sure if Owner Randy Lerner needs to get involved, but someone has to deliver this message to Rogers: "We are not going to trade you or let you out of the contract. We need you. We know you played hurt last year, that you never complained and you produced. We just did give you a new contract. Keep in mind, you are staying here no matter what. But what can be do to make this situation better?"

10. There has been a trade rumor floating about a three-way deal where the Browns give up Quinn and Rogers, they get Jason Campbell and Chris Cooley from Washington, and Denver sends Jay Cutler to Washington ... and other stuff. I doubt there is any validity to it. Among other things, the Browns like their three tight ends: Steve Heiden, Robert Royal and Martin Rucker, so why deal for Cooley? The Washington Post reported that Redskins GM Vinny Cerrato has denied any interest in a deal for Cutler.

the Talking Can
03-21-2009, 08:38 AM
in retrospect, rogers for a 3rd was a steal

soundmind
03-21-2009, 08:42 AM
I'd send them Tamba Hali, Larry Johnson, Tank Tyler and our 3rd rounder for Shaun Rogers, their 2nd and 3rd......then tell Rogers he now has the opportunity to play himself into a more appropriate contract.

Hali, Johnson, Tyler, 3rd ---- Rogers, 2nd, 3rd

Is that me thinking in Madden terms or is that a reasonable offer?

But to answer the original post question....f*ck yes you trade for him.

-King-
03-21-2009, 08:51 AM
Yeah, we should try. Dominant NTs are hard to come by and he's as dominant as they get.

And plus...look at what he did to the broncos <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/K2vks25u-r4&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/K2vks25u-r4&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object> BTW look at the score ROFL ROFL

the Talking Can
03-21-2009, 08:54 AM
I'd send them Tamba Hali, Larry Johnson, Tank Tyler and our 3rd rounder for Shaun Rogers, their 2nd and 3rd......then tell Rogers he now has the opportunity to play himself into a more appropriate contract.

Hali, Johnson, Tyler, 3rd ---- Rogers, 2nd, 3rd

Is that me thinking in Madden terms or is that a reasonable offer?

But to answer the original post question....f*ck yes you trade for him.

lol

RedThat
03-21-2009, 11:15 AM
He's the guy I've been wanting the Chiefs to get. NT's are the foundation to a 3-4 D. excellent NT play usually means better LB play in a 3-4.

beach tribe
02-16-2011, 12:44 PM
Here are some views on Rogers a couple years ago.

notorious
02-16-2011, 12:53 PM
I'd send them Tamba Hali, Larry Johnson, Tank Tyler and our 3rd rounder for Shaun Rogers, their 2nd and 3rd......then tell Rogers he now has the opportunity to play himself into a more appropriate contract.

Hali, Johnson, Tyler, 3rd ---- Rogers, 2nd, 3rd

Is that me thinking in Madden terms or is that a reasonable offer?

But to answer the original post question....f*ck yes you trade for him.

Holy Shit.

bowener
02-16-2011, 01:31 PM
4. For Rogers, the problem is that Mangini and GM George Kokinis love how he plays. So far, they have zero interest in trading him, although Rogers or people in his camp might try to stir up some rumors. This situation is their first big challenge because it can get ugly. The 360-pound Rogers was in an excellent mood last season, loved playing for former coach Romeo Crennel and kept his weight under control. But he has swelled to more than 380 in the past. If he skips spring and early summer workouts ... maybe he will stay in shape, but then again, maybe not.

:hmmm: