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Chiefshrink
03-21-2009, 07:02 PM
March 20, 2009 | 8:59 AM
Barack Obama Is a Terrible Bore
by Michael Wolff
Sheesh, the guy is Jimmy Carter.

That homespun bowling crap on Jay Leno, followed by the turgid, teachy fiscal policy lecture, together with the hurt defensiveness (and bad script for it) that everybody in Washington "is Simon CowellÖ Everybody's got an opinion," is pure Iím-in-over-my-head stuff. Even the idea of having to go on Jay Leno to rescue yourself from the AIG mess is lame. Be a man, man.

The guy just doesnít know what to say. He canít connect. Emotions are here, heís over there. He canít get the words to match the situation.

This began, Iíd argue, from the first moment. He punted on the inaugural. Everybody ran around like crazy trying to praise it because if Barack Obama couldnít give a speech then what?

But now, at week 11, weíre face-to-face with the reality, the man canít talk worth a damn.

You can see the fundamental mistake heís making. Having been so successfully elected, heís acting like people actually want to hear what he thinks. Heís the great earnest bore at the dinner party. Instead of singing for his supper, heís just talkingóand going on at length. The real job of making people part of the story youíre telling, of having them hang on your every word, of getting the tone and detail right, the hard job of holding a conversation, he ainít doing.

Heís cold; heís prickly; heís uncomfortable; heís not funny; and heís getting awfully tedious.

He thinks itís all about him. That we want him for himselfóthat he doesnít have to seduce, charm, surprise, show some skin.


So Jimmy.

Itís instructive and humorous to remember that Carter ran a brilliant campaign that succeeded largely because his voice was new. Simple, direct, basic, human. And then, of course, he turned into a sad-sack twit.

What happens when you move into the White House?

Well, shit, of course. The true secret of the power of language is in quickness. Barack Obama canít keep up. He evidently needs too much preparation. And then thereís the organization. Heís undoubtedly got too many people debating what he should say. Thatís the other secret of language: Youíve got to just go for it. Canít think too much about it. Itís like hitting the ball. And then thereís knowing who you want to beówhich is different than knowing who you are. Youíre on the stage. Youíre acting. Youíve got to make yourself believable, cleverly make yourself up as you go along.

This guy is leaden and this show is in trouble.

More of Newser founder Michael Wolff's articles and commentary can be found at VanityFair.com, where he writes a regular column. He can be emailed at michael@newser.com

banyon
03-21-2009, 07:18 PM
perhaps more question marks?

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BucEyedPea
03-21-2009, 10:52 PM
Give the guy some credit, he's got more personality and charm than Carter.
Only Carter favored deregulation of energy which led to the energy crisis improving finalizing with RR.

Bowser
03-21-2009, 11:53 PM
I KNEW I should have voted for......for.........

trndobrd
03-22-2009, 12:34 AM
Give the guy some credit, he's got more personality and charm than Carter.
Only Carter favored deregulation of energy which led to the energy crisis improving finalizing with RR.

If by "deregulation" you mean Carter's imposition of price controls and continuation of Ford's windfall profits tax on domestic energy producers, then you are correct.

Jenson71
03-22-2009, 12:37 AM
Newswer is like when people in the 1800s used to get book summaries so they could discuss great literature at balls and dinner parties without having to read the actual book. "Mmmh yes yes, Melville has quite a convoluted prose, mmhhm yes yes." It's like a Hannity's America script without the "Lie-ber-al translation" gimmick.

BucEyedPea
03-22-2009, 01:39 AM
If by "deregulation" you mean Carter's imposition of price controls and continuation of Ford's windfall profits tax on domestic energy producers, then you are correct.

No I mean deregulation.
And it was Republican Richard Nixon that put price controls on it—not Carter.


Additionally, as part of his [Carter's] administration's efforts at deregulation, Carter proposed removing price controls that had been imposed in the administration of [Republican] Richard Nixon before the 1973 crisis. Carter agreed to remove price controls in phases; they were finally dismantled in 1981 under Reagan.

And don't forget Carter also deregulated the airlines and then looked to looked then to doing the same for trucking and railroads. And Ma Bell had a nationwide monopoly. That suit was pushed by the Carter administration.

Rethinking Carter-Mises Institute
( Libertarian) (http://mises.org/story/535)

You did say you were a libertarian if I recall right?

Well here ya' go:
Republicans like to point to the failures of the Carter Administration and then claim that Ronald Reagan brought us into the present era. Alas, while I prefer Reagan to Carter, I cannot say that the above statement is true. Granted, much occurred during the Reagan Administration that was good, but if truth be known, many of the important initiatives that enabled those boundaries to expand came from Carter's presidency.

Take oil deregulation, for example. By 1980, the oil situation in this country was critical. On the left, Carter's Democratic challenger Ted Kennedy was advocating outright nationalization of the oil industry. On the other side, Republican Ronald Reagan was calling for complete decontrol. Carter took the "middle road."

First, he announced gradual decontrol of oil prices and the phasing out of the Keystone-Cops like government allocation system. However, Carter also pushed a "Windfall Profits Tax" on the belief that decontrol would bring higher prices and, thus, higher profits to oil companies that "really don't deserve them."

Full decontrol was scheduled to take place in the spring of 1981, but Reagan upon taking office lifted controls almost immediately, thus receiving credit for what was mostly the action of his predecessor. While Carter was mistaken in his belief that decontrol would automatically increase oil profits (many investors also made the same error), one must also recognize the political heat he took for his actions, especially from the left...

Reagan received the endorsement from the Teamster's Union in exchange for his promise that he would delay deregulation of trucking. While the ICC was ultimately dismantled during the Reagan years, it is safe to say that the one who sealed its doom was Jimmy Carter.

He still had quite a bit to do with deregulation if you tell the whole story.

trndobrd
03-22-2009, 11:55 AM
Several items to note:

Carter didn't lift price controls until 1979, well into his term. The article you cite mentions the heat he took from the left, he was also in the middle of an oil 'crisis' and politically had to do something.

While he did lift price controls on heavy crude, he also imposed a windfall profits tax. This 'deregulation' was something akin to changing the legal selling price for a domestic barrel of oil to $15, to a system where the government taxed any amount more than $15.*

Carter also imposed an import quota of 8.5 million barrels a day.

If there is a standing legacy of Carter's energy policies, remember that he created the Department of Energy as a whole new layer of bureacracy and regulation, which we still enjoy today.

*figures of for demonstrative purposes only

http://www.reason.com/news/show/34845.html

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03-22-2009, 12:06 PM
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wild1
03-22-2009, 12:08 PM
it's sad that the opponent was not much better.

this just shows you what a lightweight he is when you take away the prompter and the writers

ChiefaRoo
03-22-2009, 12:25 PM
Our Govt. is a complete mess. The Pres. is in over his head, the Congressional leadership on both sides are by and large a group of angry, warped and twisted souls. The American people need to fix this by flushing the toilet in the '10 mid-terms. I'm talking both D's and R's. There are some good people up there but the leadership of our country is off the rails right now. No clear message from the White House, bizarre talk of punishing business bonus of millions while TRILLIONS are being printed for huge new govt. plans, nationalizing anything and everything. It's a nightmare.

Fish
03-22-2009, 12:28 PM
it's sad that the opponent was not much better.

this just shows you what a lightweight he is when you take away the prompter and the writers

ROFL Yeah. Obama is such a lousy public speaker.... Nothing like the eloquent intelligence put forth by the previous president.

The bitterness toward Obama's popularity is humorous...

stevieray
03-22-2009, 12:29 PM
ROFL Yeah. Obama is such a lousy public speaker.... Nothing like the eloquent intelligence put forth by the previous president.

The bitterness toward Obama's popularity is humorous...

as is your continuing bitterness.

RedNeckRaider
03-22-2009, 12:32 PM
ROFL Yeah. Obama is such a lousy public speaker.... Nothing like the eloquent intelligence put forth by the previous president.

The bitterness toward Obama's popularity is humorous...

He better bask in it because it is fading fast.

Direckshun
03-22-2009, 04:41 PM
This thread is a big bucket of stupid.

wild1
03-22-2009, 04:58 PM
ROFL Yeah. Obama is such a lousy public speaker.... Nothing like the eloquent intelligence put forth by the previous president.

The bitterness toward Obama's popularity is humorous...

what do you mean? when you remove the prompter he tells you who he really is, or he just stutters and stammers

BucEyedPea
03-22-2009, 06:57 PM
Several items to note:

Carter didn't lift price controls until 1979, well into his term. The article you cite mentions the heat he took from the left, he was also in the middle of an oil 'crisis' and politically had to do something.

While he did lift price controls on heavy crude, he also imposed a windfall profits tax. This 'deregulation' was something akin to changing the legal selling price for a domestic barrel of oil to $15, to a system where the government taxed any amount more than $15.*

Carter also imposed an import quota of 8.5 million barrels a day.

If there is a standing legacy of Carter's energy policies, remember that he created the Department of Energy as a whole new layer of bureacracy and regulation, which we still enjoy today.

*figures of for demonstrative purposes only

http://www.reason.com/news/show/34845.html
I am not saying he was great in all those areas, just that some of the things he did such as starting the ball rolling on deregulation is something he did. You can take away from it all you want by adding other things, ( coveredin the articles) but I was referring to what he did do in actual fact. He was also one of those presidents on stage when NAFTA was signed.

I think it is well worth mentioning that it was a Republican president, who put wage and price controls on, took us off gold in the int'l area and declared we are all "Keynesians now!" Keynes was a socialist. Nixon was one of the most socialist presidents...but not as bad as Bush Jr. Keep thinkin' the Rs are different though.

wazu
03-22-2009, 07:01 PM
I don't usually think of somebody whose every daily action horrifies me, each seemingly worse than the last, as being a "bore".

Dr. Van Halen
03-22-2009, 07:33 PM
This is unfair. It's impossible to be more exciting than President Bush was. Gurgle, gurgle. Sniff, sniff, sniff. Glug-glug-glug.

InChiefsHell
03-23-2009, 06:11 AM
Our Govt. is a complete mess. The Pres. is in over his head, the Congressional leadership on both sides are by and large a group of angry, warped and twisted souls. The American people need to fix this by flushing the toilet in the '10 mid-terms. I'm talking both D's and R's. There are some good people up there but the leadership of our country is off the rails right now. No clear message from the White House, bizarre talk of punishing business bonus of millions while TRILLIONS are being printed for huge new govt. plans, nationalizing anything and everything. It's a nightmare.

This.

patteeu
03-23-2009, 08:32 AM
ROFL Yeah. Obama is such a lousy public speaker.... Nothing like the eloquent intelligence put forth by the previous president.

The bitterness toward Obama's popularity is humorous...

Eloquent (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=204598)

patteeu
03-23-2009, 08:33 AM
I am not saying he was great in all those areas, just that some of the things he did such as starting the ball rolling on deregulation is something he did. You can take away from it all you want by adding other things, ( coveredin the articles) but I was referring to what he did do in actual fact. He was also one of those presidents on stage when NAFTA was signed.

I think it is well worth mentioning that it was a Republican president, who put wage and price controls on, took us off gold in the int'l area and declared we are all "Keynesians now!" Keynes was a socialist. Nixon was one of the most socialist presidents...but not as bad as Bush Jr. Keep thinkin' the Rs are different though.

Nixon was horrible. Carter was even worse.

BucEyedPea
03-23-2009, 08:59 AM
Nixon was horrible. Carter was even worse.

'Eh, I'd call it a toss up! My point is each president that takes over from the last inherits some good, and some bad.
Carter began the de-regulation efforts. That's a fact.

Fish
03-23-2009, 09:46 AM
Eloquent (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=204598)

He stumbled on a single sentence? No waaay!

The fact that the creator of the video clip had to loop it 4 times for dramatic effect is amusing. If Obama was such a bumbling gaffe machine, you'd think the author of the video would have more material to work with.

Ultra Peanut
03-23-2009, 10:10 AM
http://j.photos.cx/obamagetthefuckout-61d.gif

patteeu
03-23-2009, 10:23 AM
He stumbled on a single sentence? No waaay!

The fact that the creator of the video clip had to loop it 4 times for dramatic effect is amusing. If Obama was such a bumbling gaffe machine, you'd think the author of the video would have more material to work with.

Why would you assume that the creater had to loop it 4 times? Don't you pay attention to Obama? There are other examples that he could have used. Whatever his reasons for doing so, he obviously was focusing on this one incident.

BTW, he didn't just stumble. He fell flat on his face and had no idea what he was talking about when the word machine stopped.

Fish
03-23-2009, 10:38 AM
Why would you assume that the creater had to loop it 4 times? Don't you pay attention to Obama? There are other examples that he could have used. Whatever his reasons for doing so, he obviously was focusing on this one incident.

BTW, he didn't just stumble. He fell flat on his face and had no idea what he was talking about when the word machine stopped.

You couldn't tell it was looped? The author was focusing on one incident out of the thousands of public speaking engagements Obama participates in on a regular basis. And you're holding up this single sentence in an attempt to prove Obama is a poor speaker.

And yes, I pay attention to Obama. Which is why this thread is laughable. Obama is an exceptional public speaker. And people on both sides of the fence have acknowledged that quite a bit. This and criticism like "Obama is boring" is simply petty and comical compared to larger legitamite criticisms.

Bowser
03-23-2009, 11:46 AM
http://j.photos.cx/obamagetthefuckout-61d.gif

LMAO

patteeu
03-23-2009, 01:32 PM
You couldn't tell it was looped? The author was focusing on one incident out of the thousands of public speaking engagements Obama participates in on a regular basis. And you're holding up this single sentence in an attempt to prove Obama is a poor speaker.

And yes, I pay attention to Obama. Which is why this thread is laughable. Obama is an exceptional public speaker. And people on both sides of the fence have acknowledged that quite a bit. This and criticism like "Obama is boring" is simply petty and comical compared to larger legitamite criticisms.

Of course I could tell it was looped. I'm asking you why you jumped to the conclusion that the author *had* to loop it 4 times. He didn't have to loop it at all and if he wanted to make a longer video about Obama's speaking difficulties without looping it, he could have easily found other examples. memyselfi, for one, has posted a few here. If you've been paying attention to Obama, you should be aware of this. He's a far less effective speaker sans teleprompter. I can't believe there are really still people, even among Obama's faithful, who don't recognize this.

Fish
03-23-2009, 02:12 PM
Of course I could tell it was looped. I'm asking you why you jumped to the conclusion that the author *had* to loop it 4 times. He didn't have to loop it at all and if he wanted to make a longer video about Obama's speaking difficulties without looping it, he could have easily found other examples. memyselfi, for one, has posted a few here. If you've been paying attention to Obama, you should be aware of this. He's a far less effective speaker sans teleprompter. I can't believe there are really still people, even among Obama's faithful, who don't recognize this.

Obviously my point about having to loop it four times was indicative of the lack of evidence to support this silly notion that Obama is a poor public speaker. Your response that meme has posted "a few" isn't exactly strong support for your opinion either. I'd venture to guess I could find more posts in which she claims the only reason Obama won some debates is because of his "snake charm swooning" as opposed to her posts of Obama flubbing a line. I believe she used "All sizzle no Steak" as her sig for a while, indicating that Obama was all talk. And yet you try to claim the opposite and even go so far as to say it should be obvious. I stand by my statement, and this thread remains anything but convincing of otherwise.

InChiefsHell
03-23-2009, 02:17 PM
Obviously my point about having to loop it four times was indicative of the lack of evidence to support this silly notion that Obama is a poor public speaker. Your response that meme has posted "a few" isn't exactly strong support for your opinion either. I'd venture to guess I could find more posts in which she claims the only reason Obama won some debates is because of his "snake charm swooning" as opposed to her posts of Obama flubbing a line. I believe she used "All sizzle no Steak" as her sig for a while, indicating that Obama was all talk. And yet you try to claim the opposite and even go so far as to say it should be obvious. I stand by my statement, and this thread remains anything but convincing of otherwise.

I sincerely doubt you could be convinced of Obama's incompetence short of him pissing himself and drooling on the microphone.

Hey, enjoy it. Your guy is in, and you feel real good about it. He's had a great many gafs already, I've posted them. Whether speaking gafs, or PR gafs, the dude can't be let off the leash for long before he fugs something up. And it's going to get worse.

Fish
03-23-2009, 02:28 PM
I sincerely doubt you could be convinced of Obama's incompetence short of him pissing himself and drooling on the microphone.

Hey, enjoy it. Your guy is in, and you feel real good about it. He's had a great many gafs already, I've posted them. Whether speaking gafs, or PR gafs, the dude can't be let off the leash for long before he fugs something up. And it's going to get worse.

Who said I feel real good about it? There's really not much to feel real good about right now, regardless of who is in the white house. And yes, it is going to get worse. But take a step back in assuming that I'll be happy and content for 4 years simply because the guy I voted for won the election. There is much much more to be done before I'll be happy with our government. If I ever consider myself "happy" with the government....

patteeu
03-23-2009, 03:14 PM
Obviously my point about having to loop it four times was indicative of the lack of evidence to support this silly notion that Obama is a poor public speaker.

Except that it's not indicative of that at all.

Your response that meme has posted "a few" isn't exactly strong support for your opinion either. I'd venture to guess I could find more posts in which she claims the only reason Obama won some debates is because of his "snake charm swooning" as opposed to her posts of Obama flubbing a line. I believe she used "All sizzle no Steak" as her sig for a while, indicating that Obama was all talk. And yet you try to claim the opposite and even go so far as to say it should be obvious. I stand by my statement, and this thread remains anything but convincing of otherwise.

Going down with the ship, huh? Good for you.

InChiefsHell
03-23-2009, 06:31 PM
Who said I feel real good about it? There's really not much to feel real good about right now, regardless of who is in the white house. And yes, it is going to get worse. But take a step back in assuming that I'll be happy and content for 4 years simply because the guy I voted for won the election. There is much much more to be done before I'll be happy with our government. If I ever consider myself "happy" with the government....

Fair enough.

***SPRAYER
03-28-2009, 07:06 PM
The five fully identified questioners called on randomly by the president in the East Room where he held his Town Hall meeting were anything but a diverse lot. They included:

a member of the pro-Obama Service Employees International Union

a member of the Democratic National Committee who campaigned for Obama among Hispanics during the primary

a former Democratic candidate for Virginia state delegate who endorsed Obama last fall in an op-ed in the Fredericksburg Free Lance-Star

a Virginia businessman who was a donor to Obama’s campaign in 2008.

And yet, normally it’s unusual for a person to look lost, confused, and beaten at a town hall meeting he’s had rigged in his favor.

Man. Does this dude ever suck.

http://proteinwisdom.com/

Mister Giggles!
ROFL

T-post Tom
03-28-2009, 07:31 PM
This thread is a big bucket of stupid.

Really big bucket.

Hydrae
03-28-2009, 07:56 PM
You know, I don't care how good our leader is at talking in public as long as he runs things well. Of all the things that are important in the presidency, speaking well off the cuff is pretty low on my list.

Ultra Peanut
03-29-2009, 01:39 PM
The five fully identified questioners called on randomly by the president in the East Room where he held his Town Hall meeting were anything but a diverse lot. They included:

a member of the pro-Obama Service Employees International Union

a member of the Democratic National Committee who campaigned for Obama among Hispanics during the primary

a former Democratic candidate for Virginia state delegate who endorsed Obama last fall in an op-ed in the Fredericksburg Free Lance-Star

a Virginia businessman who was a donor to Obamaís campaign in 2008.

And yet, normally itís unusual for a person to look lost, confused, and beaten at a town hall meeting heís had rigged in his favor.

Man. Does this dude ever suck.

http://proteinwisdom.com/

Mister Giggles!
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