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wazu
09-06-2010, 11:51 PM
Working on my 40-man roster. I'm determined to keep doing this, as I am somewhat obsessed with this game. Rainman - do we have a deadline?

Rain Man
09-07-2010, 12:01 AM
Working on my 40-man roster. I'm determined to keep doing this, as I am somewhat obsessed with this game. Rainman - do we have a deadline?

I like doing this too, because I think it'll be interesting over the long run. Let's finish our rosters before Game 1.

Rain Man
09-07-2010, 12:03 AM
Let's go up to 43 players this year. We should be able to fill more as time goes on.

Rain Man
09-07-2010, 12:24 AM
As Step 1 of the 2010 process, this is my team's training camp. My veterans are in black, my free agents are in blue, and my drafted rookies are in red. In my next post, I'll cut it down to 43 players.

Remember that you CANNOT sign a member of the Chiefs if you've previously rejected that person. So for example, if you didn't draft Tyson Jackson or Eric Berry, you can't claim them. You can only claim people that YOU drafted.

Also, you can claim free agents IF this is their FIRST year on the team.

So in other words, your 2010 training camp is as follows:

1. your veterans from last year.
2. NEW free agents coming to the Chiefs in 2010.
3. YOUR rookie draft picks.

QB
Mark Sanchez (Jets)
Brodie Croyle
Tyler Thigpen (Dolphins)
Jimmy Clausen (Panthers)


HB
Jamaal Charles
Larry Johnson
Jackie Battle
Dantrell Savage
20 Jones, Thomas RB 5-10 212 32 11 Virginia

C.J. Spiller. (Bills)


FB
Mike Cox
Tim Castille, FB

WR
Dwayne Bowe
Chris Chambers, WR
Mark Bradley
Derrick Williams (Lions)
Lance Long, WR
Bobby Wade, WR
11 Horne, Jeremy WR 6-2 193 23 R Massachusetts

Dezmon Brisco (Bengals)


TE
Tony Gonzalez (Falcons)
Leonard Pope, TE

T
Branden Albert
Ryan O'Callaghan
Alex Boone (49ers)
Bruce Campbell (Raiders)


G
Brian Waters
Duke Robinson (Panthers)
Wade Smith
Mike Goff
65 Lilja, Ryan G 6-2 290 28 7 Kansas State


C
Rudy Niswanger
Jermail Porter, OL
62 Wiegmann, Casey C 6-2 285 37 15 Iowa

K
(Scrub)

P
Dustin Colquitt

FS
Jarrad Page
Reshard Langford, S
49 Lewis, Kendrick DB 6-0 198 22 R Mississippi


SS
Dajuan Morgan
Ricky Price, S
Reshad Jones (Dolphins)


CB
Brandon Flowers
Brandon Carr
Maurice Leggett
D.J. Moore (Bears)
Travis Daniels, CB
41 Bates, Jackie CB 5-10 180 23 1 Hampton

34 Daniels, Travis CB 6-1 195 27 6 LSU


OLB
Tamba Hali
Rey Maualuga (Bengals)
Andy Studebaker
Monty Beisel
57 Cole, Justin LB 6-3 242 22 R San Jose St.
93 Greenwood, Cory LB 6-2 235 R Concordia University
Dekoda Watson (Buccaneers)


ILB
Derrick Johnson
Demorrio Williams
Corey Mays
Pierre Walters, LB

DE
Glenn Dorsey
Myron Pryor (Patriots)
Turk McBride
Wallace Gilberry
Bobby Greenwood, DE
DE Alex Carrington (Bills)


DT
Ron Edwards
Tank Tyler
Dion Gales, DT
98 Toribio, Anthony DT 6-1 315 25 1 Carson-Newman
90 Smith, Shaun DT 6-2 325 29 6 South Carolina

Rain Man
09-07-2010, 12:49 AM
Okay, here's my final roster for the year. 43 players. I listed my cuts below.


QB
Mark Sanchez (Jets)
Jimmy Clausen (Panthers)
Brodie Croyle


HB
Jamaal Charles
C.J. Spiller. (Bills)
20 Jones, Thomas RB 5-10 212 32 11 Virginia
Jackie Battle


FB
Tim Castille, FB

WR
Dwayne Bowe
Chris Chambers, WR
Derrick Williams (Lions)
11 Horne, Jeremy WR 6-2 193 23 R Massachusetts

TE
Tony Gonzalez (Falcons)
Leonard Pope, TE

T
Branden Albert
Ryan O'Callaghan
Alex Boone (49ers)
Bruce Campbell (Raiders)

G
Brian Waters
65 Lilja, Ryan G 6-2 290 28 7 Kansas State
Wade Smith
Duke Robinson (Panthers)

C
62 Wiegmann, Casey C 6-2 285 37 15 Iowa

K
(Scrub)

P
Dustin Colquitt

FS
49 Lewis, Kendrick DB 6-0 198 22 R Mississippi
Jarrad Page

SS
Reshad Jones (Dolphins)

CB
Brandon Flowers
Brandon Carr
D.J. Moore (Bears)
Travis Daniels, CB

OLB
Rey Maualuga (Bengals)
Andy Studebaker
Dekoda Watson (Buccaneers)

ILB
Derrick Johnson
Demorrio Williams

DE
Tamba Hali
Myron Pryor (Patriots)
Wallace Gilberry
DE Alex Carrington (Bills)

DT
Glenn Dorsey
Ron Edwards
90 Smith, Shaun DT 6-2 325 29 6 South Carolina

Cuts

Tyler Thigpen (Dolphins)
Dantrell Savage
Larry Johnson
Mike Cox
Dezmon Brisco (Bengals)
Lance Long, WR
Bobby Wade, WR
Mark Bradley
Mike Goff
Rudy Niswanger
Jermail Porter, OL
Dajuan Morgan
Reshard Langford, S
Ricky Price, S
Maurice Leggett
41 Bates, Jackie CB 5-10 180 23 1 Hampton

Monty Beisel
57 Cole, Justin LB 6-3 242 22 R San Jose St.
93 Greenwood, Cory
LB 6-2 235 R Concordia University
Pierre Walters, LB
Corey Mays
Turk McBride
Bobby Greenwood, DE
Tank Tyler
Dion Gales, DT
[COLOR="rgb(0, 191, 255)"]98 Toribio, Anthony DT 6-1 315 25 1 Carson-Newman

Rain Man
09-07-2010, 01:03 AM
My review of how I've diverged from the real Chiefs.

Positions where I'm better than the real Chiefs:


QB - I've invested heavily in young QBs, and it looks like Sanchez is paying off as my starter. Clausen will hopefully develop behind him.

HB - Charles and Spiller? I've got a strong RB corp, and Spiller will split out occasionally to help my weak WR corps.

TE - Tony G. What can I say?

DT - I've added Dorsey back to this group and switched to a 4-3, which is a better use of our talent. Otherwise the same.

Areas where I'm about the same as the real Chiefs:


WR - I don't have McCluster, but Spiller will do the same thing. Otherwise a wash.

T - I think Barry Richardson has potential, but so does Alex Boone. The real Chiefs might be a little ahead of me, but I have two developmental prospects. It looks like the Raiders may be lining Campbell up at guard, though.

C - I don't have Niswanger, but I kept Wade Smith. I think I'm a little better, but it's not a big difference.

P - Colquitt. Why mess with perfection?

CB - Probably a wash overall. Two good starters and it goes downhill from there.

OLB - Hard to judge this since I'm moving Hali back to DE in a 4-3 alignment. Maualaga and Studebaker will start for me, with Dekoda Watson backing them up. I think I'm okay.

DE - I'm moving Dorsey back to DT, but I like my DEs. I've got Hali and Gilberry on the right side to rush the passer, and Pryor and Carrington on the left side to stuff the run. I think eventually my group will prevail. Pryor can drop inside to DT occasionally, too.

Areas where I'm weaker than the real Chiefs:


G - I didn't draft Asamoah and drafted Duke Robinson, who is now on injured reserve for the year. I made the tough decision to hold him for a year to see if he comes through.

K - It's really hurt me that I didn't draft Succop last year, so I'm still running with a scrub kicker.

S - I drafted Kendrick Lewis, and got Reshard Jones to be my strong safety. (The Dolphins have moved him to free safety, but I have to leave him at SS.) Of course, I drafted Spiller over Berry, so I don't have Berry.

ILB - I've got DJ and Demorrio, but no depth right now.



Since I'm moving people, I'll note my front seven against the real Chiefs' front seven.

Them: Hali, Vrabel, Belcher, Johnson, Jackson, Dorsey, Edwards.
Me: Maualaga, Studebaker, Johnson, Hali, Pryor, Dorsey, Edwards.

I think I like my group better.

wazu
09-07-2010, 01:10 AM
Here's mine, as always reserving the right to tweak until the deadline.

The 2010 Fresno Refugees 43-Man Roster

QB
Mark Sanchez (Jets)
Brodie Croyle

RB
Jamaal Charles
Thomas Jones
Jackie Battle

FB
Tim Castille

WR
Dwayne Bowe
Chris Chambers
Jeremy Horne
Dezmon Briscoe (Buccaneers)

T
Branden Albert
Ryan O'Callaghan
Selvish Capers (Free Agent)

G
Brian Waters
Ryan Lilja
Jon Asamoah

C
Rudy Niswanger
Matt Tenant (Saints)

TE
Leonard Pope
Chase Coffman (Bengals)
Jake O'Connell

NT
Ron Edwards
Terrance Cody (Ravens)
Cam Thomas (Chargers)
Dion Gales

DE
Glenn Dorsey
Wallace Gilberry
Bobby Greenwood

OLB
Tamba Hali
Andy Studebaker
Ricky Sapp (Eagles)
Sergio Kindle (Ravens)
Clint Sintim (Giants)

ILB
Derrick Johnson
Demorrio Williams
Corey Mays

CB
Brandon Flowers
Brandon Carr
Perrish Cox (Broncos)

S
Eric Berry
Jarred Page (Patriots)

K
Ryan Succop

P
Dustin Colquitt

Rain Man
09-07-2010, 01:23 AM
Your OLBs are all the guys I was coveting in the draft, but I couldn't get them high enough on my list of priorities to take them.

patteeu
09-07-2010, 12:07 PM
My 2010 43 man roster. Vets in black. Free Agents in blue. Drafted rookies in red.

QB
Matt Cassel
Brodie Croyle

RB
Jamaal Charles
Thomas Jones
Jackie Battle

FB
Tim Castille

WR
Dwayne Bowe
Chris Chambers
David Reed (Ravens)
Dexter McCluster
Jeremy Horne

TE
Leonard Pope
Brad Cottam IR

T
Branden Albert
Ryan O'Callaghan

G
Brian Waters
Ryan Lilja
Kraig Urbik (Bills)
Jon Asamoah

C
Rudy Niswanger
Matt Tennant (Saints)

K
Ryan Succup

P
Dustin Colquitt

FS
Jarrad Page (Patriots)
Kendrick Lewis

SS
Eric Berry

CB
Brandon Flowers
Brandon Carr
Alterraun Verner (Titans)

OLB
Tamba Hali
Mike Vrabel
Andy Studebaker

ILB
Derrick Johnson
Demorrio Williams
Corey Mays
Sean Lee (Cowboys)

DE
Tyson Jackson
Glenn Dorsey
Wallace Gilberry
Shaun Smith

DT
Ron Edwards
Tank Tyler (Panthers)
Anthony Toribio

Rain Man
09-07-2010, 12:14 PM
I think we're still working our way up to 53, and this year we're at 43. I propose this just so we have to cut some "real" Chiefs and make some decisions there. Or do you think we're okay to go to 53?

Rain Man
09-07-2010, 12:14 PM
Did we have an IR or developmental roster last year? I don't recall. I'd lean against it, probably, since we'd all have the same players right now.

patteeu
09-07-2010, 12:41 PM
I think we're still working our way up to 53, and this year we're at 43. I propose this just so we have to cut some "real" Chiefs and make some decisions there. Or do you think we're okay to go to 53?

No, 43 is good. I just had a memory lapse.

Did we have an IR or developmental roster last year? I don't recall. I'd lean against it, probably, since we'd all have the same players right now.

Yeah, we don't need it.

wazu
09-07-2010, 08:54 PM
Your OLBs are all the guys I was coveting in the draft, but I couldn't get them high enough on my list of priorities to take them.

Yeah, so far it looks like you had your priorities set better than I did in that department. Of course, I'll take the normal GM cop-out and claim you can't judge a draft until 5 years after I'm gone.

wazu
01-17-2011, 10:43 PM
Okay, it's getting to be "Step 4" time again.

Rain Man
01-18-2011, 06:44 PM
Yep, I'll be working on mine. I'm hoping you're right in that the wisdom of my picks will emerge in another year or two. I'm kind of taking a beating right now.

chiefscafan
01-31-2011, 11:57 PM
ok here is my updated roster

qb: I unlike the chiefs have a young qb being groomed

rb: same as chiefs

wr: stronger than the chiefs with crabtree and bowe

Te: unfortunately i didn't draft moeaki so i'm weaker

OL: I have youthfull backups but like chiefs need a rt

c: stronger i have matt tenet as the hier apparent to wegman

k and P: same as chieffs

De: more youth than chiefs with selvie added
DT: stronger than chiefs with Cam Thomas
OLB bout the same as chiefs
ILB : stronger with spikes and DJ
Cb: same as chiefs
S: weaker cause no SS kendrick lewis

overall stronger than the chiefs in certain areas draft needs in no order TE, RT, qb, RB WR unlike the chiefs i'm good at DT.


2009 draft

#3- Michael Crabtree - WR Texas Tech (49ers)
#67- Jaron Gilbert - DE San Jose ST (Bears)
#102- Brandon Williams - OLB/DE. Texas Tech (cowboys)
#139- Cornellius Ingram- TE Florida (eagles)
#175- A. Gardner- OT Georgia Tech (dolphins)
#212- AQ Shipley- OC. Penn State (steelers)
#237- Darry Beckwith- ILB LSU. (chargers)
#256- Ryan Succop- PK. South Carolina. (chiefs)

ok done some thinking

traded Tank Tyler midseason, traded thigpen when we did never traded for the two bumbs in Miami.

so with that 1st, 2 2nds, 3rd, 4th, 3 5ths, and a 6th

2010 draft

1st: Eric Berry S Tennessee
2nd: Javier Arenas CB Alabama
2nd: Brandon Spikes ILB Florida
3rd: Jon Asamoah OG Illinois
4th: Kam Chancelor FS Virginia Tech
5th: CAm Thomas NT North Carolina
5th: John Skelton QB Fordham
5th: Matt Tenet OC Boston College
6th: George Selvie OLB South Florida




QB
7 Cassel, Matt QB ACT 6'4" 230 5/17/1982 5 USC
12 Croyle, Brodie QB ACT 6'2" 206 2/6/1983 4 Alabama
15 skelton, john qb

HB
25 Charles, Jamaal RB ACT 5'11" 199 12/27/1986 2 Texas
20 thomas jones


FB
42 Cox, Mike FB ACT 6'0" 252 7/11/1985 2 Georgia Tech


WR
82 Bowe, Dwayne WR ACT 6'2" 221 9/21/1984 3 Louisiana State
17 curtis , kevin
15 Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech
19 vernan tucker

TE
49 leonard pope
87 Cottam, Brad TE ACT 6'7" 269 11/28/1984 2 Tennessee


T
76 Albert, Branden T ACT 6'5" 316 11/4/1984 2 Virginia
75 O'Callaghan, Ryan OT ACT 6'7" 330 7/19/1983 4 California
63 Andrew Gardner OT 6'7 304 Georgia Tech

G
54 Waters, Brian G ACT 6'3" 320 2/18/1977 10 North Texas
74 Smith, Wade G ACT 6'4" 296 4/26/1981 7 Memphis
73 Asomah, john
C
62 wegman casey
61 matt tenet

K
6 Ryan Succop K South Carolina

P
2 Colquitt, Dustin P ACT 6'3" 210 5/6/1982 5 Tennessee


FS
47 john mcgraw
37 kam chancellor

SS
29 berry, eric



CB
24 Flowers, Brandon CB ACT 5'9" 187 2/18/1986 2 Virginia Tech
39 Carr, Brandon CB ACT 6'0" 207 5/19/1986 2 Grand Valley State
31 Leggett, Maurice CB ACT 5'11" 188 10/2/1986 2 Valdosta State
21 arenas, javier


OLB
91 Hali, Tamba LB ACT 6'3" 275 11/3/1983 4 Penn State
50 Vrabel, Mike LB ACT 6'4" 261 8/14/1975 13 Ohio State
96 Studebaker, Andy LB ACT 6'3" 248 9/16/1985 2 Wheaton
55 sheffield

ILB
56 Johnson, Derrick ILB ACT 6'3" 242 11/22/1982 5 Texas
51 spikes, brandon
59 Belcher, Jovan LB ACT 6'2" 228 7/24/1987 0 Maine
95 greenwood, correy

DE

72 Dorsey, Glenn DE ACT 6'1" 297 8/1/1985 2 Louisiana State
94 gillberry, wallace
90 Smith, Shaun
69 Selvie, George

DT

93 Thomas, CAm
67 Gales, Dion


IR:


59 Brandon Williams - OLB/DE. Texas Tech (cowboys)
88 Cornellius Ingram- TE Florida (eagles)
54 Micha Johnson - ILB (chiefs)



Cuts:

10 Copper, Terrance WR ACT 6'0" 207 3/12/1982 6 East Carolina
57 Dacus, Weston LB RES 6'1" 232 9/19/1985 2 Arkansas
81 Darling, Devard WR RES 6'1" 213 4/16/1982 6 Washington State
43 Gaffrd, Thomas TE ACT 6'2" 252 1/29/1983 2 Houston
15 Gutierrez, Matt QB ACT 6'4" 230 6/9/1984 3 Idaho State
69 Lokey, Derek DT RES 6'1" 287 11/25/1985 1 Texas
90 McBride, Turk DE ACT 6'2" 278 5/30/1985 3 Tennessee
74 Smith, Wade G ACT 6'4" 296 4/26/1981 7 Memphis
21 Smith, Kolby RB PUP 5'11" 219 12/15/1984 3 Louisville
26 Battle, Jackie RB ACT 6'2" 238 10/1/1983 2 Houston
ETC

chiefscafan
02-01-2011, 09:53 AM
We had an IR last year

fompermease
02-01-2011, 10:43 AM
donkey will shine on the moon of the misted whale

patteeu
02-04-2011, 09:54 PM
I have a question about Step 4. The rules say that the number of starts you assign to each player can't exceed that player's actual number of starts. Does that mean that I have to assign starts to "scrub" at ILB even if I have players like Sean Lee or Demorrio Williams who played in several games but who didn't start in a game all season? If so, here is my lineup. I had lots of tough situations on my offensive line this season so I moved Brian Waters to both OT and C and still had to start 2 scrubs on the offensive line almost every week. Ugg.

QB
Matt Cassel - 15
Brodie Croyle - 1

RB
Jamaal Charles - 6
Thomas Jones - 10
Jackie Battle

FB
Tim Castille - 4

WR
Dwayne Bowe - 16
Chris Chambers - 7
Dexter McCluster - 7
Scrub - 16
David Reed (Ravens)
Jeremy Horne

TE
Leonard Pope - 6
Scrub - 8
Brad Cottam

T
Branden Albert - 15
Ryan O'Callaghan - 1
Brian Waters - 2
Scrub - 14

G
Ryan Lilja - 15
Kraig Urbik (Bills) - 2
Jon Asamoah - 1
Scrub - 14

C
Brian Waters - 14
Rudy Niswanger
Matt Tennant (Saints)

K
Ryan Succop - 16

P
Dustin Colquitt - 16

FS
Jarrad Page (Patriots)
Kendrick Lewis - 10
Brandon Carr - 6

SS
Eric Berry - 16

CB
Brandon Flowers - 15
Brandon Carr - 10
Alterraun Verner (Titans) - 7

OLB
Tamba Hali - 16
Mike Vrabel - 16
Andy Studebaker

ILB
Derrick Johnson - 16
Scrub - 16
Demorrio Williams
Corey Mays
Sean Lee (Cowboys)

DE
Tyson Jackson - 3
Glenn Dorsey - 16
Wallace Gilberry - 2
Shaun Smith - 10
Scrub - 1

DT
Ron Edwards - 15
Scrub - 1
Tank Tyler (Panthers)
Anthony Toribio

Rain Man
02-04-2011, 11:05 PM
Good question. Let's say that you can start a backup, but you'll need to record them as follows:

Actual NFL starts (your starts)

So if you're starting a guy for three games who didn't have any NFL starts, you would denote him as 0 (3). That'll let us know that you're pressing a backup into a starting role, but it's better than starting a scrub.

wazu
02-05-2011, 12:57 AM
Okay, I'm going to go ahead and play by the "old" rules and just list starters. I don't have the energy to re-do this whole thing and allow back-ups to start.

QB
Mark Sanchez (Jets) - 16
Brodie Croyle - 0 (1)

RB
Jamaal Charles - 6
Thomas Jones - 10
Jackie Battle - 0

FB
Tim Castille - 4

WR
Dwayne Bowe - 16
Chris Chambers - 7
Jeremy Horne - 0
Desmon Briscoe (Buccaneers) - 0
Scrub - 9

TE
Leonard Pope - 6
Chase Coffman (Bengals) - 0
Jake O'Connell - 2
Scrub - 8

T
Branden Albert - 15
Ryan O'Callaghan - 1
Selvish Capers (Free Agent) - 0
Scrub - 16

G
Brian Waters - 16
Ryan Lilja - 15
Jon Asamoah - 1

C
Rudy Niswanger - 0
Matt Tennant (Saints) - 0
Scrub - 16

K
Ryan Succop - 16

P
Dustin Colquitt - 16

S
Eric Berry - 16
Jarrad Page (Patriots) - 1
Scrub - 15

CB
Brandon Flowers - 15
Brandon Carr - 15
Perrish Cox (Broncos) - 2 (9)

OLB
Tamba Hali - 16
Clint Sintim (Giants) - 1
Andy Studebaker - 0
Sergio Kindle (Ravens) - 0
Ricky Sapp (Eagles) - 0
Scrub - 15

ILB
Derrick Johnson - 16
Demorrio Williams - 0
Corey Mays - 0
Scrub - 16

DE
Glenn Dorsey - 16
Wallace Gilberry - 2
Bobby Greenwood - 0
Scrub - 14

NT
Ron Edwards - 15
Terrence Cody (Ravens) - 1
Cam Thomas (Chargers) - 0
Dion Gales - 0

Rain Man
02-05-2011, 02:42 AM
Here's my team. Let's see how we stack up.

QB
Mark Sanchez (Jets) - 16/16 (QB rating of 75.3)
Jimmy Clausen (Panthers) - 0/10
Brodie Croyle - 0/1

I'm okay at QB for the long term, though in the short term my young QBs aren't going to carry the team. Not sure if we're better than the real Chiefs in 2010 or not, but I like our future.

HB
Jamaal Charles 6/6 (1,467 yards, 6.4 ypc)
Jones, Thomas 10/10 (896 yards, 3.7 ypc)
C.J. Spiller. (Bills) 0/1 (He's my kick returner - 23.0 per KR, 14.6 per PR)
Jackie Battle - 0/0

Charles and Jones are getting it done, meaning that we're primarily a running team this year. I realize that Spiller didn't make a big splash as a rookie, but he was a good returner for us and I think brings versatility. He'll be an asset in the long run. Spiller makes us stronger than the real Chiefs.

FB
Tim Castille, FB 4/4
(We'll start Pope for 6 games, and start Thomas Jones at FB for 6 games.)

At fullback, we're about like the Chiefs were, but without Cox, so I'm installing Jones in there sometimes. I think it'll work. We're weaker than the real Chiefs here.

WR
Dwayne Bowe - 16/16 (1,162 yds, 16.1 ypr)
Chris Chambers, WR - 15/7 (213 yds, 9.7 ypr) - Chambers will have to step up and start 15 games)
Derrick Williams (Lions) - 1/1 (30 yds, 10.0 ypr)
11 Horne, Jeremy - 0/0

Okay, our receivers were a disaster, but so were the real Chiefs receivers. We're crippling by this year, and relying on our good TE to be a #2 receiver. We're weaker than the real Chiefs here.

TE
Tony Gonzalez (Falcons) - 16/16 (656 yds, 9.4 ypr)
Leonard Pope, TE- 6/6 as a blocker/fullback

I love Moeaki, but Gonzalez is the man, despite a statistical down year. We're strong here.

T
Branden Albert - 15/15
Ryan O'Callaghan - 1/1
Alex Boone (49ers) - 0/0

Having cut Richardson, we're going to rely on good ol' Wade Smith to fill in at tackle along with Albert. We've drafted both Boone and Bruce Campbell, but Boone's not ready yet and Campbell has been moved to guard. We're weaker than the real Chiefs

G
Brian Waters - 16/16
Lilja, Ryan - 15/15
Wade Smith - 16/1 (starting at tackle)
Bruce Campbell (Raiders) - 0/0
Duke Robinson (Panthers) - 0/0

We've got good Chiefs guards here, and had Smith as a backup until we needed him at tackle. Campbell appeared in 10 games and has hope, and we keep hoping that Robinson won't be a total bust since he was in IR all year. I think we were stronger here than the real Chiefs.

C
Wiegmann, Casey - 16/16

We were solid here, though we're a bit long in the tooth. Weaker than the real Chiefs since we had no backup (other than the versatile Wade Smith).

K
(Scrub) - 16/16

I really regret not drafting Succop. We haven't been able to find a kicker since then.

P
Dustin Colquitt - 16/16

Colquitt. Love Colquitt.

FS
Lewis, Kendrick - 10/10 - 30t, 3int, 1ff
Jarrad Page 6/1 - 12t, 2int, 0ff

We don't have McGraw, but we kept Page and presumably signed him. I think we're actually slightly better than the real Chiefs here.

SS
Reshad Jones (Dolphins) - 16/2 - 21t, 1int, 0ff

We drafted Spiller instead of Berry, so I hope he works out. Without Berry, we're using rookie Reshad Jones as our strong safety and forcing him into a starting role.

CB
Brandon Flowers 15/15 - 65t, 2int, 1ff
Brandon Carr 16/16 - 57t, 1int, 0ff
D.J. Moore (Bears) 1/0 42t, 4int, 1ff
Travis Daniels, CB - 0/0

I think we're pretty strong here, even without Arenas. D.J. Moore did fine as a nickel and Daniels was our dime. We're probably almost as good as the real Chiefs.

OLB
Rey Maualuga (Bengals) - 15/15 (75t, 1s, 2i, 0ff)
Dekoda Watson (Buccaneers) - 16/1 (30t, 0s, 0i, 0ff)
Andy Studebaker - 1/0 (28t, 2.5s, 0i, 0ff)

Note that we're running a 4-3, so Hali is on the line. At OLB we've got Maualuga, who's solid, and we pressed promising rookie Dekoda Watson into a starting role. Studebaker comes in on passing downs. We're weaker than the real Chiefs here.

ILB
Derrick Johnson 16/16 (121t, 1s, 1i, 4ff)
Demorrio Williams 0/0

Johnson was a rock for me, and Williams is a capable backup. We cut Belcher, which was a mistake, so we're weaker than the real Chiefs.

DE
Tamba Hali 16/16 (52t, 14.5s, 0i, 4ff)
Glenn Dorsey - 16/16 (69t, 2s, 0i, 0ff) starting 5 games at DT
Wallace Gilberry 5/2 (23t, 7s, 0i, 2ff)
DE Alex Carrington (Bills) 0/0

I think we're strong at DE, with a lot of depth. Hali is going to line up at RE in a pass rush role, and on the left side we'll have a combination of Dorsey (moving around on the line) and Gilberry, with Carrington as a backup.

DT
Ron Edwards - 15/15 (28t, 2s, 0i, 0ff)
Smith, Shaun - 10/10 (57t, 1s, 0i, 0ff)
Myron Pryor (Patriots) 2/2 (12t, 0.5s, 0i, 0ff)

We're strong here. We've got Edwards and Smith, with Pryor backing them up, and due to Gilberry's strong performance we were able to move Dorsey inside for 5 starts.


Overall, I think my offense would be equivalent to, or maybe slightly better than, that of the real Chiefs, depending on how you would compare Sanchez to Cassel, Gonzalez to Moeaki, and Wade Smith to Barry Richardson. We also add Spiller.

On defense, we're not as far along as the current Chiefs. Our d-line has a bit more depth, and our linebacker corps adds Maualuga, which is a plus. Our safeties are quite a bit weaker, though.

Without Succop, our kicking game isn't as good.

Overall, I don't think we would've had as good a record as the current Chiefs, but my hope is that I'm developing a strong offensive backfield.

patteeu
02-07-2011, 12:46 PM
Here's my revised final roster w/ starts:

QB
Matt Cassel - 15/15
Brodie Croyle - 1/1

I'm comfortable with my QB situation for now. Obviously I need a better backup, if not a new starter.

-------------------------------------------------

RB
Jamaal Charles - 6/6
Thomas Jones - 10/10
Jackie Battle

I can't complain about my RBs this year, but Thomas Jones seemed to hit a wall so I'll probably be looking for a compliment to JC this off season.

FB
Tim Castille - 4/4

Blah. My team mostly used a 3 WR, 1 RB set, I guess.

-------------------------------------------------

WR
Dwayne Bowe - 16/16
Chris Chambers - 7/13
Dexter McCluster - 7/11
David Reed (Ravens) - 0/8
Jeremy Horne

And the 3 WRs usually weren't all that impressive.

TE
Leonard Pope - 6
Scrub - 10
Brad Cottam (IR)

I still like Brad Cottam, but he didn't do me a damn bit of good on IR this year. I hope Scrub can run block.

-------------------------------------------------

T
Branden Albert - 15/15
Ryan O'Callaghan - 1/1
Brian Waters - 16/16

G
Ryan Lilja - 15/15
Jon Asamoah - 1/15
Kraig Urbik (Bills) - 2/2

C
Rudy Niswanger - 0/6
Matt Tennant (Saints) - 0/10

My offensive line was in tough shape this season. I had to use Brian Waters at Tackle for the whole campaign. He played 15 games at RT and one over at LT when Albert was dinged up.

I had to press rookies Asamoah and Tennant into service earlier than I'd have liked. I have hope that the two of them and Kraig Urbik will develop into a solid interior line in future years.

-------------------------------------------------

K
Ryan Succop - 16

P
Dustin Colquitt - 16

-------------------------------------------------

FS
Kendrick Lewis - 10/10
Jarrad Page (Patriots) - 1/6

SS
Eric Berry - 16/16

CB
Brandon Flowers - 15/15
Brandon Carr - 16/16
Alterraun Verner (Titans) - 12/1

My secondary is the strength of my team. Verner as nickleback is a luxury compared to my lack of depth everywhere else. I even had thoughts of trying Brandon Carr at FS while Kendrick Lewis was out.

-------------------------------------------------

OLB
Tamba Hali - 16/16
Mike Vrabel - 16/16
Andy Studebaker

ILB
Derrick Johnson - 16/16
Sean Lee (Cowboys) - 0/14
Corey Mays - 0/2
Demorrio Williams

Lee showed signs of being a pretty decent player this year. Whether he and Johnson are the final answer at ILB for us is an open question. I'll need a replacement for Vrabel this offseason one way or another.

-------------------------------------------------

DE
Glenn Dorsey - 16/16
Tyson Jackson - 3/3
Shaun Smith - 10/13
Wallace Gilberry

DT
Ron Edwards - 15/16
Tank Tyler (Panthers)
Anthony Toribio

Tank Tyler was a big disappointment, but this group of linemen did better than I originally expected.

chiefscafan
02-07-2011, 02:02 PM
Ok I'll have mine tomorrow

Old Dog
02-07-2011, 03:00 PM
I wish I had stuck to this one since AR#3 went tits up

Rain Man
02-07-2011, 03:09 PM
I wish I had stuck to this one since AR#3 went tits up

I was pondering getting that one back up and running. I just need to find a few new owners since I had some folks drop out. Are you interested? It wouldn't take much to get it back up and running again.

Old Dog
02-07-2011, 03:13 PM
My team there looks pretty decent (just looked at it) and I had a few extra draft picks coming as well in the rookie draft, if you get it back going, I'm still game for it.

Rain Man
02-07-2011, 03:18 PM
My team there looks pretty decent (just looked at it) and I had a few extra draft picks coming as well in the rookie draft, if you get it back going, I'm still game for it.

Cool, I was planning to do that. All we'd have to do is include last year's rookies in the free agent draft, and I think we're fine.

I guess we need to come up with a draft order, too. Might just make it random.

chiefscafan
02-08-2011, 03:18 PM
#266
chiefscafan
Veteran





Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: manhattan beach, CA
Casino cash: $15450 ok here is my updated roster

qb: I unlike the chiefs have a young qb being groomed

rb: same as chiefs

wr: stronger than the chiefs with crabtree and bowe

Te: unfortunately i didn't draft moeaki so i'm weaker

OL: I have youthfull backups but like chiefs need a rt

c: stronger i have matt tenet as the hier apparent to wegman

k and P: same as chieffs

De: more youth than chiefs with selvie added
DT: stronger than chiefs with Cam Thomas
OLB bout the same as chiefs
ILB : stronger with spikes and DJ
Cb: same as chiefs
S: weaker cause no SS kendrick lewis

overall stronger than the chiefs in certain areas draft needs in no order TE, RT, qb, RB WR unlike the chiefs i'm good at DT.


2009 draft

#3- Michael Crabtree - WR Texas Tech (49ers)
#67- Jaron Gilbert - DE San Jose ST (Bears)
#102- Brandon Williams - OLB/DE. Texas Tech (cowboys)
#139- Cornellius Ingram- TE Florida (eagles)
#175- A. Gardner- OT Georgia Tech (dolphins)
#212- AQ Shipley- OC. Penn State (steelers)
#237- Darry Beckwith- ILB LSU. (chargers)
#256- Ryan Succop- PK. South Carolina. (chiefs)

ok done some thinking

traded Tank Tyler midseason, traded thigpen when we did never traded for the two bumbs in Miami.

so with that 1st, 2 2nds, 3rd, 4th, 3 5ths, and a 6th

2010 draft

1st: Eric Berry S Tennessee
2nd: Javier Arenas CB Alabama
2nd: Brandon Spikes ILB Florida
3rd: Jon Asamoah OG Illinois
4th: Kam Chancelor FS Virginia Tech
5th: CAm Thomas NT North Carolina
5th: John Skelton QB Fordham
5th: Matt Tenet OC Boston College
6th: George Selvie OLB South Florida




QB
7 Cassel, Matt QB 15 starts
12 Croyle, Brodie QB ACT 6'2" 206 2/6/1983 4 Alabama
15 skelton, john qb 1 start

HB
25 Charles, Jamaal - 6 starts
20 thomas jones - 10 starts


FB
42 Cox, Mike - 2 starts
scrub - 14 starts


WR
82 Bowe, Dwayne - 16 starts
17 curtis , kevin
15 Michael Crabtree -15 starts
19 vernan tucker - 1 start

TE
49 leonard pope - 6 starts
87 Cottam, Brad
scrub - 10 starts


T
76 Albert, Branden - 15 starts
75 O'Callaghan, Ryan - 1 start
63 Andrew Gardner OT
54 waters, brian - 1 start
scrub - 15 starts
G
54 Waters, Brian - 15 starts
74 Smith, Wade G 16 starts
73 Asomah, john - 1 start
C
62 wegman casey - 16 starts
61 matt tenet

K
6 Ryan Succop K South Carolina- 16 starts

P
2 Colquitt, Dustin P - 16 starts


FS
47 john mcgraw -5 starts
37 kam chancellor
21 arenas - 1 start
scrub - 10 starts
SS
29 berry, eric - 16 starts



CB
24 Flowers, Brandon 15 starts
39 Carr, Brandon - 16 starts
31 Leggett, Maurice
21 arenas, javier - 1 start


OLB
91 Hali, Tamba - 16 starts
50 Vrabel, Mike - 16 starts
96 Studebaker, Andy LB ACT 6'3" 248 9/16/1985 2 Wheaton
55 sheffield

ILB
56 Johnson, Derrick - 16 starts
51 spikes, brandon - 8 starts
59 Belcher, Jovan - 8 starts
95 greenwood, correy

DE

72 Dorsey, Glenn - 16 starts
94 gillberry, wallace -2 starts
90 Smith, Shaun - 10 starts
69 Selvie, George
scrub - 4 starts
DT

93 Thomas, CAm
67 Gales, Dion
sccrub - 16 starts

IR:


59 Brandon Williams - OLB/DE. Texas Tech (cowboys)
88 Cornellius Ingram- TE Florida (eagles)
54 Micha Johnson - ILB (chiefs)



Cuts:

10 Copper, Terrance WR ACT 6'0" 207 3/12/1982 6 East Carolina
57 Dacus, Weston LB RES 6'1" 232 9/19/1985 2 Arkansas
81 Darling, Devard WR RES 6'1" 213 4/16/1982 6 Washington State
43 Gaffrd, Thomas TE ACT 6'2" 252 1/29/1983 2 Houston
15 Gutierrez, Matt QB ACT 6'4" 230 6/9/1984 3 Idaho State
69 Lokey, Derek DT RES 6'1" 287 11/25/1985 1 Texas
90 McBride, Turk DE ACT 6'2" 278 5/30/1985 3 Tennessee
21 Smith, Kolby RB PUP 5'11" 219 12/15/1984 3 Louisville
26 Battle, Jackie RB ACT 6'2" 238 10/1/1983 2 Houston
ETC

chiefscafan
02-08-2011, 03:20 PM
rainman if you can figure out who has what pick i'm game as well

Rain Man
03-14-2011, 01:47 AM
Okay, starting with the formatted rosters.

First number is the number of starts on your team, 2nd number is NFL starts, and 3rd number is NFL appearances.


Adam, here's what I've got for you. Based on the revised starting rules, my questions are...

At tight end, you have to start Pope in 6 and O'Connell in 2 given their starting stats, so you need to cover 8 more games between them. Pope had 16 appearances, O'Connell 13, and Coffman 6, so if you take out their starts Pope can cover 10 add'l starts, O'Connell 11, or Coffman 6. Take your pick.

Right now you've got a scrub in at 6 games at FB. You've got enough tight end starts that you could start one of them for those six games if you want.

O'Callaghan had 11 appearances so I gave you all 11. I then gave you 5 from "scrub" but you can move someone else over if you want.

Jarrad Page only appeared in 10 games so you've got a scrub for 6. You can move Cox over if you want, assuming that this was before he was arrested.

I think your WRs are as you proposed. I can't recall as I'm typing this. Horne had 3 appearances and Briscoe had 2, while Chambers had 13, so I gave you all of Chambers' and 3 of Horne's. Let me know if you want to change.

I think all of your others are as you initially proposed.



QB
Mark Sanchez (Jets) - 16/16/16
Brodie Croyle - 0/1/16


HB
Jamaal Charles - 6/6/16
Thomas Jones - 10/10/16
Jackie Battle - 0/0/16


FB
Tim Castille, FB 10/4/10
Scrub - 6/0

WR
Dwayne Bowe - 16/16/16
Chris Chambers, WR - 13/7/13
Jeremy Horne - 3/0/3
Dezmon Briscoe (Buccaneers) - 0/0/2


TE
Leonard Pope - 8/6/16
Chase Coffman (Bengals) - 6/0/6
Jake O'Connell - 2/0/13

OT
Branden Albert - 15/15/15
Ryan O'Callaghan - 11/1/11
Scrub - 6/0
Selvish Capers (Redskins) - 0/0/0

G
Brian Waters - 16/16/16
Lilja, Ryan - 15/15/15
Jon Asamoah - 1/1/16


C
Rudy Niswanger - 16/0/16
Matt Tennant (Saints) - 0/0/16

K
Ryan Succop - 16/16/16

P
Dustin Colquitt - 16/16/16

FS
Jarrad Page (Patriots) - 10/1/10
Scrub - 6/0

SS
Eric Berry - 16/16/16

CB
Brandon Flowers - 15/15/15
Brandon Carr - 16/16/16
Perrish Cox (Broncos) - 1/9/15


OLB
Tamba Hali - 16/16/16
Andy Studebaker - 15/0/16
Clint Sintim (Giants) - 1/1/13
Sergio Kindle (Ravens) - 0/0/0
Ricky Sapp (Eagles) - 0/0/0

ILB
Derrick Johnson - 16/16/16
Demorrio Williams - 16/0/16
Corey Mays - 0/0/16


DE
Glenn Dorsey - 16/16/16
Wallace Gilberry 16/2/16
Bobby Greenwood - 0/0/0


DT
Ron Edwards - 15/15/15
Terrence Cody (Ravens) - 1/1/13
Cam Thomas (Chargers) - 0/0/6
Dion Gales - 0/0/3

Rain Man
03-14-2011, 02:17 AM
First number is the number of starts on your team, 2nd number is NFL starts, and 3rd number is NFL appearances.


Okay, cachiefsfan, here's what I've got for you. My questions are:

Croyle or Skelton for the one start that Cassel missed?

You want to move Wade Smith or Asamoah over to tackle to cover those scrub starts? You've got enough appearances to do so.

You can start Belcher all 16 games at ILB or give Spikes up to 8. Are you doing the Spikes thing and then Belcher gets the other 8 starts? (Spikes can't start all 16 because he has only 8 starts and you have to use up Belcher's starts before you can start Spikes again.

Your NT is such that you only have 9 starts from Thomas and Gales. However, you've got enough appearances for Gilberry that you could move Shaun Smith or Dorsey inside for a lot of starts. Maybe something like...16 DE for Dorsey, 16 DE for Gilberry, 10 NT for Smith, and 6 NT for Thomas? It'd be better than the scrub. Let me know.


QB
Matt Cassel - 15/15/15
Brodie Croyle - 1/1/16
John Skelton - 0/4/5

HB
Jamaal Charles - 6/6/16
Thomas Jones - 10/10/16



FB
Mike Cox - 16/2/16


WR
Dwayne Bowe - 16/16/16
Michael Crabtree (49ers) - 15/15/16
Verran Tucker - 1/2/11



TE
Leonard Pope - 16/6/16
Brad Cottam 0/0/0


OT
Branden Albert - 15/15/15
Ryan O'Callaghan - 11/1/11
Scrub - 5/0
Andrew Gardner - 0/0/0

G
Brian Waters - 16/16/16
Wade Smith - 16/1/16
Jon Asamoah - 0/1/16


C
Wiegmann, Casey - 16/16/16
Matt Tennant (Saints) - 0/0/16

K
Ryan Succop - 16/16/16

P
Dustin Colquitt - 16/16/16

FS
John Mcgraw - 15/5/15
Kam Chancellor (Seahawks) - 1/0/16

SS
Eric Berry - 16/16/16

CB
Brandon Flowers - 15/15/15
Brandon Carr - 16/16/16
Javier Arenas - 1/0/16
Maurice Leggett - 0/0/0

OLB
Tamba Hali - 16/16/16
Mike Vrabel - 16/16/16
Andy Studebaker - 0/0/16
Cameron Sheffield - 0/0/0


ILB
Derrick Johnson - 16/16/16
Brandon Spikes (Patriots) - 8/8
Jovan Belcher - 8/16/16
Corey Greenwood - 0/0/16

DE
Glenn Dorsey - 16/16/16
Smith, Shaun - 10/10/16
Wallace Gilberry 6/2/16
George Selvie - 0/0/0

DT
Cam Thomas (Chargers) - 6/0/6
Dion Gales - 3/0/3
Scrub - 7/0

Rain Man
03-14-2011, 02:32 AM
patteeu, here's what I've got for you.

First number is the number of starts on your team, 2nd number is NFL starts, and 3rd number is NFL appearances.


My questions are:

You initially talked about going 3 WRs, and I wasn't sure if that was choice or necessity. I bumped up Pope to his max of 16 and Castille to his max of 10, which meant that you had to make up 6 other starts from your WR corps. Since you had more than that, I chopped out some of the starts. Let me know if that's a reasonable assumption or if you'd rather see those WRs get more starts.

You can start O'Callaghan up to 11 games if you like, which would mean only 6 games for Waters at tackle if you want to give him some games at guard. Or you can keep it like it is.

You've got a lot of extra capacity at DE if you wanted one of those guys to move inside for a game instead of Toribio (or even some of Edwards' starts). Let me know.


QB
Matt Cassel - 15/15/15
Brodie Croyle - 1/1/16


HB
Jamaal Charles - 6/6/16
Thomas Jones - 10/10/16
Jackie Battle - 0/0/16


FB
Tim Castille, FB 10/4/10


WR
Dwayne Bowe - 16/16/16
Chris Chambers - 11/7/13
Dexter McCluster - 11/7/11
David Reed (Ravens) - 0/0/13
Jeremy Horne - 0/0/3

TE
Leonard Pope - 16/6/16
Brad Cottam 0/0/0


OT
Branden Albert - 15/15/15
Ryan O'Callaghan - 1/1/11
Brian Waters - 16/16/16 (at T)


G
Lilja, Ryan - 15/15/15
Jon Asamoah - 15/1/16
Kraig Urbik (Bills) - 2/2/10


C
Rudy Niswanger - 16/0/16
Matt Tennant (Saints) - 0/0/16

K
Ryan Succop - 16/16/16

P
Dustin Colquitt - 16/16/16

FS
Kendrick Lewis - 10/10/10
Jarrad Page (Patriots) 6/1/10

SS
Eric Berry - 16/16/16

CB
Brandon Flowers - 15/15/15
Brandon Carr - 16/16/16
Alterraun Verner (Titans) - 1/12/16


OLB
Tamba Hali - 16/16/16
Mike Vrabel - 16/16/16
Andy Studebaker - 0/0/16



ILB
Derrick Johnson - 16/16/16
Sean Lee (Cowboys) - 14/0/14
Corey Mays - 2/0/16
Demorrio Williams - 0/0/16

DE
Glenn Dorsey - 16/16/16
Tyson Jackson - 3/3/12
Smith, Shaun - 13/10/16
Wallace Gilberry 0/2/16

DT
Ron Edwards - 15/15/15
Anthony Toribio - 1/0/5
Tank Tyler (Panthers) - 0/0/0

Rain Man
03-14-2011, 02:47 AM
And here's where I stand. Note that I include a few notes where I've got people making starts at more than one position.

I'm going with a 4-3, so I have 32 DT starts and 16 ILB starts, which is different than everybody else.

First number is the number of starts on my team, 2nd number is NFL starts, and 3rd number is NFL appearances.


QB
Mark Sanchez (Jets) - 16/16/16
Jimmy Clausen (Panthers) - 0/10/13
Brodie Croyle - 0/1/16

HB
Jamaal Charles - 6/6/16
Thomas Jones - 10/10/16
C.J. Spiller. (Bills) 0/1/14
Jackie Battle - 0/0/16

FB
Tim Castille, FB 10/4/10


WR
Dwayne Bowe - 16/16/16
Chris Chambers, WR - 13/7/13
Derrick Williams (Lions) - 3/1/7
Jeremy Horne - 0/0/3


TE
Tony Gonzalez (Falcons) - 16/16/16
Leonard Pope, TE- 6/6/16 (starting as blocker)


OT
Branden Albert - 15/15/15
Ryan O'Callaghan - 11/1/11
Wade Smith - 7/1/16 (1 as G, 6 as T)
Alex Boone (49ers) - 0/0/1

G
Brian Waters - 16/16/16
Lilja, Ryan - 15/15/15
Bruce Campbell (Raiders) - 0/0/10
Duke Robinson (Panthers) - 0/0/0

C
Wiegmann, Casey - 16/16/16


K
(Scrub) - 16/16

P
Dustin Colquitt - 16/16/16

FS
Kendrick Lewis - 10/10/10
Jarrad Page (Patriots) 9/1/10 (6 as FS, 3 as SS)

SS
Reshad Jones (Dolphins) - 13/1/13

CB
Brandon Flowers - 15/15/15
Brandon Carr - 16/16/16
D.J. Moore (Bears) 1/0/16
Travis Daniels, CB - 0/0/16

OLB
Rey Maualuga (Bengals) - 15/15/15
Dekoda Watson (Buccaneers) - 15/1/15
Andy Studebaker - 2/0/16



ILB
Derrick Johnson - 16/16/16
Demorrio Williams - 0/0/16



DE
Tamba Hali - 16/16/16
Wallace Gilberry 16/2/16
Alex Carrington (Bills) 0/0/9


DT
Glenn Dorsey - 16/16/16
Ron Edwards - 8/15/15
Smith, Shaun - 8/10/16
Myron Pryor (Patriots) 0/2/9

Rain Man
03-14-2011, 02:57 AM
Okay, so this system makes a lot of sense. At the end of the year, you note the number of NFL starts and NFL games the player appeared in (2nd and 3rd numbers after each player). In the first number, you then define how many starts they made for you.

If you don't have enough starts at a position, you can start a player up to the number of games they appeared in. But you can't start using non-starts unless you've used up all of your starts at that position.

So for example if you have the following players at a position:

Player A: 10 starts, 10 games
Player B: 3 starts, 16 games
Player C: 0 starts, 5 games
Player D: 0 starts, 2 games

You have to use the 13 starts first, and then you can use anyone else for the next 3 as long as you aren't using them for more games than they appeared in. So in the above example, you know you have

10 starts for Player A, and you can't use him any more
3 starts for Player B, and you can give him up to 13 more starts. (You only need 3, but you could also use him at another position if he can keep you from using a scrub there.)
0 starts for Player C, and you can use him for up to 5 more starts.
0 starts for Player D, and you can give him 2 starts but no more.

You would only use a scrub if you didn't have enough game appearances to cover the starting spots.

For example if you had

Player A: 6 starts, 6 games
Player B: 3 starts, 6 games
Player C: 0 starts, 1 game
Player D: 0 starts, 1 game

You'd have all players making their maximum starts (6, 6, 1, 1) and you'd have to use a scrub for the last two games, or give the starts to someone else at another position.

The bottom line rules are this:

No player can start more games than he appeared in.

You have to use all your starts at a position before you can start counting appearances as starts.

Using the codes in the posts below, the rightmost number is the number of games appeared, so you can never start the player more than that number.

Sound good? This is easy to work with and only requires looking up the games started and games played at the end of the season. Not that much work.

wazu
03-14-2011, 09:29 PM
I like the new system. Makes more sense. Although I question some of your choices with giving Thomas Jones the nod as "starter" just because he technically was the first player on the field. I would give Jamaal Charles the max allowable starts, and let the voters base it on that. Hell with Haley's bizarre choices. He knows who his "money" player is.

Rain Man
03-16-2011, 07:06 PM
I like the new system. Makes more sense. Although I question some of your choices with giving Thomas Jones the nod as "starter" just because he technically was the first player on the field. I would give Jamaal Charles the max allowable starts, and let the voters base it on that. Hell with Haley's bizarre choices. He knows who his "money" player is.

The Charles thing is indeed weird, but if we follow the system then he shares it with Jones. The good thing is that we all have the same pair, so it's neutral. Maybe we address special situations like that as we diverge.

I'll go ahead and post these rosters in the main lounge now.

patteeu
03-17-2011, 09:59 AM
The Charles thing is indeed weird, but if we follow the system then he shares it with Jones. The good thing is that we all have the same pair, so it's neutral. Maybe we address special situations like that as we diverge.

I'll go ahead and post these rosters in the main lounge now.

Yeah, sorry I didn't post sooner. Your roster adjustment looked fine to me. 3 WR vs 2 WR and 1 TE don't really matter when all your receivers are garbage. Sigh.

Rain Man
03-20-2011, 08:56 PM
Yeah, sorry I didn't post sooner. Your roster adjustment looked fine to me. 3 WR vs 2 WR and 1 TE don't really matter when all your receivers are garbage. Sigh.

Yeah, all of our receivers are weak, just like the Chiefs. Chiefscafan is doing okay with Crabtree, I guess, and I'm glad I didn't trade away Gonzalez.

Rain Man
03-20-2011, 09:00 PM
Okay, everyone. You can add the following mid-season pickups to your training camp roster.

LB Anderson, Charlie
LB Bakhtiari, Eric
LB Cole, Justin
WR Curtis, Kevin
LB Johnson, Micah
QB Palko, Tyler
TE Slate, Cody
NT Toribio, Anthony
LB Simoneau, Mark
WR Williams, Chandler

These guys all came aboard during the season, right? If not, let me know.

chiefscafan
05-03-2011, 11:47 PM
So I'll have my picks tomorrow

Rain Man
05-31-2011, 01:56 AM
Okay, everyone who's playing can make their drafts now.

chiefscafan
05-31-2011, 03:20 PM
2011 draft picks

1. Mark Ingram rb alabama
2. Dontay. Moch. OLB. Nevada
3. Leonard Hankerson WR. Miami
3. Allen. Bailey. DE. Miami
4. Owen Marecic. FB. Stanford
5. Ricky Stanzi. QB. Iowa
5. Ahmad. Black. S. Florida
6. Jerrel Powe NT Mississippi
7. Lee Ziemba. OT. Auburn

Rain Man
05-31-2011, 07:27 PM
Picking up someone to compete with Charles at RB, eh?


How did we get the extra 3rd and 5th again? I don't recall.

chiefscafan
06-02-2011, 08:05 AM
Rainman Ingram is the replacement to Thomas jones one two punch of Ingram and Charles.

We got the extra fifth for Alex Magee to bucs

The extra third happened when we traded down from 21 to 27 that became 26.


unlike the chiefs I'm weak at TE and safety because I didn't draft moeaki and Lewis

Rain Man
06-05-2011, 05:44 PM
Hmm. None of us had Magee on our roster at the time of the trade, but then again we're still building our unique rosters and Magee was a scrub. Let's make the call that everyone gets the 5th-round pick. Once we have full rosters we won't get the picks if a player who is traded is not on our own roster, or we'll have to come up with some sort of alternate system such as trading the player who is in the same spot on the depth chart.

Rain Man
06-05-2011, 07:08 PM
First off, I'll accept the trade down of our 1st round pick to get the first and the third, like the Chiefs did.

I'm also going to trade down on my second third-round pick (86th pick) with the Rams. It's worth 160 draft points, so if I get only 65 percent of the value, that's 104 points. I'll trade it to the Rams for their 112th pick (70 points) and their 158th pick (29.2 points) and their 228th pick (<3 points).
My draft:

1 26th pick DE Da'Quan Bowers (Buccaneers)
2 55th pick C Rodney Hudson (Chiefs)
3 70th pick WR Leonard Hankerson (Redskins)
4 112th pick WR Greg Salas (Rams)
4 118th pick K Alex Henery (Eagles)
5 135th pick SS Shiloh Keo (Texans)
5 140th pick OT Jason Pinkston (Browns)
5 158th pick OLB Chris Carter (Steelers)
6 199th pick OLB Bruce Miller (49ers)
7 223rd pick G Lee Ziemba (Panthers)
7 228th pick DT Lawrence Guy (Packers)


Here's my training camp roster so far. (Note that it'll get added with any NFL Chiefs free agents in training camp.)

Red are my new rookies.
Blue are street free agents picked up so far by the real Chiefs.

QB
Mark Sanchez (Jets) - 16/16/16
Jimmy Clausen (Panthers) - 0/10/13
Brodie Croyle - 0/1/16
Tyler Palko

HB
Jamaal Charles - 6/6/16
Thomas Jones - 10/10/16
C.J. Spiller. (Bills) 0/1/14
Jackie Battle - 0/0/16

FB
Tim Castille, FB 10/4/10


WR
Dwayne Bowe - 16/16/16
Chris Chambers, WR - 13/7/13
Derrick Williams (Lions) - 3/1/7
Jeremy Horne - 0/0/3
Kevin Curtis
Chandler Williams
Leonard Hankerson (Redskins)
Greg Salas (Rams)

TE
Tony Gonzalez (Falcons) - 16/16/16
Leonard Pope, 6/6/16 (starting as blocker)
Cody Slate

OT
Branden Albert - 15/15/15
Ryan O'Callaghan - 11/1/11
Wade Smith - 7/1/16 (1 as G, 6 as T)
Alex Boone (49ers) - 0/0/1
Jason Pinkston (Browns)

G
Brian Waters - 16/16/16
Lilja, Ryan - 15/15/15
Bruce Campbell (Raiders) - 0/0/10
Duke Robinson (Panthers) - 0/0/0
Lee Ziemba (Panthers)

C
Wiegmann, Casey - 16/16/16
Rodney Hudson (Chiefs)


K
(Scrub) - 16/16
Alex Henery (Eagles)

P
Dustin Colquitt - 16/16/16

FS
Kendrick Lewis - 10/10/10
Jarrad Page (Patriots) 9/1/10 (6 as FS, 3 as SS)

SS
Reshad Jones (Dolphins) - 13/1/13
Shiloh Keo (Texans)

CB
Brandon Flowers - 15/15/15
Brandon Carr - 16/16/16
D.J. Moore (Bears) 1/0/16
Travis Daniels, CB - 0/0/16

OLB
Rey Maualuga (Bengals) - 15/15/15
Dekoda Watson (Buccaneers) - 15/1/15
Andy Studebaker - 2/0/16
Charlie Anderson
Eric Bakhtiari
Justin Cole
Chris Carter (Steelers)
Bruce Miller (49ers)

ILB
Derrick Johnson - 16/16/16
Demorrio Williams - 0/0/16
Micah Johnson
Mark Simoneau

DE
Tamba Hali - 16/16/16
Wallace Gilberry 16/2/16
Alex Carrington (Bills) 0/0/9
Da'Quan Bowers (Buccaneers)

DT
Glenn Dorsey - 16/16/16
Ron Edwards - 8/15/15
Smith, Shaun - 8/10/16
Myron Pryor (Patriots) 0/2/9
Anthony Toribio
Lawrence Guy (Packers)

wazu
06-18-2011, 10:16 PM
FYI - I'm going to do this. Haven't gotten my act together yet, but will before training camp begins, assuming there is a training camp.

Rain Man
06-26-2011, 08:05 PM
I wanted to take Bruce Carter at OLB, but couldn't pass up on Bowers. And then I was able to get Bruce Miller and Chris Carter, so I think I have the whole Bruce Carter thing covered anyway.

patteeu
07-03-2011, 03:43 PM
I accept the trade down of the first pick. Here's my draft and my roster:

1 26th pick - Jonathan Baldwin WR
2 55th pick - Rodney Hudson G/C
3 70th pick - Justin Houston DE
3 86th pick - Johnny Patrick CB
4 118th pick - Julius Thomas TE
5 135th pick - Ricky Stanzi QB
5 140th pick - Karl Klug DE
6 199th pick - Jerrell Powe DT
7 223rd pick - Shane Bannon RB

QB
Matt Cassel - 15/15/15
Brodie Croyle - 1/1/16
QB Palko, Tyler
Ricky Stanzi (Iowa)


HB
Jamaal Charles - 6/6/16
Thomas Jones - 10/10/16
Jackie Battle - 0/0/16


FB
Tim Castille, FB 10/4/10
Shane Bannon


WR
Dwayne Bowe - 16/16/16
Chris Chambers - 11/7/13
Dexter McCluster - 11/7/11
David Reed (Ravens) - 0/0/13
Jeremy Horne - 0/0/3
WR Curtis, Kevin
WR Williams, Chandler
Jonathan Baldwin (Pittsburgh)

TE
Leonard Pope - 16/6/16
Brad Cottam 0/0/0
TE Slate, Cody
Julius Thomas (Portland State)


OT
Branden Albert - 15/15/15
Ryan O'Callaghan - 1/1/11
Brian Waters - 16/16/16 (at T)


G
Lilja, Ryan - 15/15/15
Jon Asamoah - 15/1/16
Kraig Urbik (Bills) - 2/2/10


C
Rudy Niswanger - 16/0/16
Matt Tennant (Saints) - 0/0/16
Rodney Hudson (Florida State)

K
Ryan Succop - 16/16/16

P
Dustin Colquitt - 16/16/16

FS
Kendrick Lewis - 10/10/10
Jarrad Page (Patriots) 6/1/10

SS
Eric Berry - 16/16/16

CB
Brandon Flowers - 15/15/15
Brandon Carr - 16/16/16
Alterraun Verner (Titans) - 1/12/16
Johnny Patrick (Louisville)


OLB
Tamba Hali - 16/16/16
Mike Vrabel - 16/16/16
Andy Studebaker - 0/0/16



ILB
Derrick Johnson - 16/16/16
Sean Lee (Cowboys) - 14/0/14
Corey Mays - 2/0/16
Demorrio Williams - 0/0/16
LB Anderson, Charlie
LB Bakhtiari, Eric
LB Cole, Justin
LB Johnson, Micah
LB Simoneau, Mark

DE
Glenn Dorsey - 16/16/16
Tyson Jackson - 3/3/12
Smith, Shaun - 13/10/16
Wallace Gilberry 0/2/16
Justin Houston (Georgia)
Karl Klug (Iowa)

DT
Ron Edwards - 15/15/15
Tank Tyler (Panthers) - 0/0/0
Anthony Toribio - 1/0/5
Jerrell Powe (Ole Miss)

wazu
07-27-2011, 10:51 PM
Since we are on the eve of camp I am just going to say that I will take the Chiefs draft exactly as Pioli did it this year.

chiefscafan
08-17-2011, 12:48 PM
So are we doing this again this year?

chiefscafan
08-20-2011, 06:52 PM
So are we allowed to take people that were dropped from Thier teams??

Rain Man
08-20-2011, 09:34 PM
Since we are on the eve of camp I am just going to say that I will take the Chiefs draft exactly as Pioli did it this year.

Cool. Works for me.

Rain Man
08-20-2011, 09:35 PM
So are we allowed to take people that were dropped from Thier teams??

Nope. We don't do free agents in this game. Your roster will composed of:

People on your team the previous year
People you draft
Any new Chiefs that were signed as free agents and were not on the roster the previous year.

chiefscafan
08-21-2011, 10:14 AM
still working on my roster close only five spots left we go to 53 this year right?

Rain Man
09-19-2011, 01:32 AM
Uh-oh. I forgot to do my roster cuts to get to 53 people. I only have to cut four guys.

My final roster is shown below.

Red are my new rookies.
Blue are street free agents picked up so far by the real Chiefs.

QB
Mark Sanchez (Jets) - 16/16/16
Jimmy Clausen (Panthers) - 0/10/13
Brodie Croyle - 0/1/16
Tyler Palko

HB
Jamaal Charles - 6/6/16
Thomas Jones - 10/10/16
C.J. Spiller. (Bills) 0/1/14
Jackie Battle - 0/0/16

FB
Tim Castille, FB 10/4/10


WR
Dwayne Bowe - 16/16/16
Chris Chambers, WR - 13/7/13
Derrick Williams (Lions) - 3/1/7
Jeremy Horne - 0/0/3
Kevin Curtis
Leonard Hankerson (Redskins)
Greg Salas (Rams)

TE
Tony Gonzalez (Falcons) - 16/16/16
Leonard Pope, 6/6/16 (starting as blocker)


OT
Branden Albert - 15/15/15
Ryan O'Callaghan - 11/1/11
Lee Ziemba (Panthers)
Alex Boone (49ers) - 0/0/1


G
Brian Waters - 16/16/16
Lilja, Ryan - 15/15/15
Jason Pinkston (Browns)
Wade Smith - 7/1/16
Bruce Campbell (Raiders) - 0/0/10
Duke Robinson (Panthers) - 0/0/0


C
Wiegmann, Casey - 16/16/16
Rodney Hudson (Chiefs)


K
(Scrub) - 16/16
Alex Henery (Eagles)

P
Dustin Colquitt - 16/16/16

FS
Kendrick Lewis - 10/10/10
Jarrad Page (Patriots) 9/1/10 (6 as FS, 3 as SS)

SS
Reshad Jones (Dolphins) - 13/1/13
Shiloh Keo (Texans)

CB
Brandon Flowers - 15/15/15
Brandon Carr - 16/16/16
D.J. Moore (Bears) 1/0/16
Travis Daniels, CB - 0/0/16

OLB
Rey Maualuga (Bengals) - 15/15/15
Dekoda Watson (Buccaneers) - 15/1/15
Andy Studebaker - 2/0/16
Charlie Anderson
Eric Bakhtiari
Justin Cole
Chris Carter (Steelers)
Bruce Miller (49ers)

ILB
Derrick Johnson - 16/16/16
Demorrio Williams - 0/0/16

DE
Tamba Hali - 16/16/16
Wallace Gilberry 16/2/16
Alex Carrington (Bills) 0/0/9
Da'Quan Bowers (Buccaneers)

DT
Glenn Dorsey - 16/16/16
Ron Edwards - 8/15/15
Smith, Shaun - 8/10/16
Myron Pryor (Patriots) 0/2/9
Anthony Toribio
Lawrence Guy (Packers)[/QUOTE]

I'm cutting:

LB Mark Simoneau
WR Chandler Williams
TE Cody Slate
ILB Micah Johnson

wazu
04-27-2012, 12:21 AM
We never really followed up on this. Would be fun to piece back together and keep going since the start aligns perfectly with Pioli's beginning. Everybody up for putting their draft together this year? If we miss this it's over.

Rain Man
04-27-2012, 12:17 PM
We never really followed up on this. Would be fun to piece back together and keep going since the start aligns perfectly with Pioli's beginning. Everybody up for putting their draft together this year? If we miss this it's over.

I certainly plan to keep going. This is fun for me. We don't have enough players to compete with each other, but it's fun for me to see what team each of us puts together.

wazu
04-27-2012, 05:04 PM
Question: Can you please remind me what options do we have this year regarding free agents that walk? I'm mainly thinking about Brandon Carr and Wallace Gilberry. I think Carr is the first real star we have let walk since Pioli's reign began.

I've been trying to get my roster organized again. My big misses so far have been Kendrick Lewis and Tony Moeaki. I know there are other players who I'll add from the existing Chiefs roster this year provided they aren't people I opted not to draft, but below is what it looks like.

QB
Mark Sanchez (Jets)
Brady Quinn
Ricky Stanzi

HB
Jamaal Charles
Peyton Hillis

FB
Tim Castille
Shane Bannon

WR
Dwayne Bowe
Steve Breaston
Jonathan Baldwin
Dezmon Briscoe (Buccaneers)

TE
Kevin Boss
Chase Coffman (Bucs)
Jake O'Connell

OT
Branden Albert
Eric Winston
Selvish Capers (Giants)

G
Lilja, Ryan
Jon Asamoah
Rodney Hudson

C
Matt Tennant (Saints)

K
Ryan Succop

P
Dustin Colquitt

S
Eric Berry

CB
Brandon Flowers
Brandon Carr
Perrish Cox (49ers)
Stanford Routt
Jalil Brown

OLB
Tamba Hali
Justin Houston
Clint Sintim (Giants)
Sergio Kindle (Ravens)
Ricky Sapp (Jets)

ILB
Derrick Johnson
Jovan Belcher

DE
Glenn Dorsey
Allen Bailey
Amon Gordon
Wallace Gilberry

NT
Terrence Cody (Ravens)
Cam Thomas (Chargers)
Jerrell Powe

Rain Man
05-01-2012, 04:34 PM
Question: Can you please remind me what options do we have this year regarding free agents that walk? I'm mainly thinking about Brandon Carr and Wallace Gilberry. I think Carr is the first real star we have let walk since Pioli's reign began.


I gotta remember the rules. I think that if they walk directly to another team as a free agent, you can't keep them. They're gone. But if they're cut, you can choose to keep them. So you can't keep Carr, but since Gilberry didn't leave for another team, you can keep him.

Now, I've got to figure out my draft. I keep investing picks in QBs and it's not getting me anywhere.

Rain Man
05-01-2012, 06:19 PM
My team needs are:

Upgrade at QB
Depth at HB
Desperate need at WR
Heir at TE, and depth
Probably RT
Upgrade FS
Upgrade SS
Desperate need at OLB
Possible need at DE
Moderate need at DT

My team is a mess. This is harder than it looks.

Rain Man
05-01-2012, 06:28 PM
Free agent pickups that you can add to your roster:

Brandon Bair - DE
Mikail Baker - DB
Josh Bellamy - WR
Tim Biere - TE
Kevin Boss - TE
Steve Breaston - WR
Rob Bruggeman - C
Caleb Campbell - LB
Justin Cheadle - OL
Shaun Draughn - HB
Nate Eachus - RB
Jean Fanor - DB
Chandler Fenner - DB
Taylor Gentry - FB
Amon Gordon - DT
Tysyn Hartman - DB
Dexter Heyman - LB
Peyton Hillis - FB
Cam Holland - OL
Ethan Johnson - DE
Brandon Kinnie - WR
Steve Maneri - TE
Zeke Markshausen - WR
Kyle McCarthy - S
David Mims - OT
Jamar Newsome - WR
Terrance Parks - DB
Luke Patterson - DL
Jacques Reeves - DB
Stanford Routt - CB
Brandon Siler - ILB
Matt Szymanski - K
Neiko Thorpe - DB
Eric Winston - RT

You can also add anyone else who gets signed in camp. If they join the Chiefs as a free agent, they're on your training camp roster as well. If they make trades, you choose to accept or reject the trade.

Rain Man
05-01-2012, 06:48 PM
My initial training camp roster is shown below.

Adding in the free agents makes my picture look much better. Now my team needs are:

Upgrade at QB (despite heavy investment - sigh)
Depth/star at WR
Heir at TE
Upgrade FS
Upgrade SS
Desperate need at OLB
Possible need at DE



QB
Mark Sanchez (Jets)
Jimmy Clausen (Panthers)
Brodie Croyle
Tyler Palko

HB
Jamaal Charles
C.J. Spiller. (Bills)
Jackie Battle
Thomas Jones
Shaun Draughn
Nate Eachus

FB
Peyton Hillis
Taylor Gentry
Tim Castille


WR
Dwayne Bowe
Steve Breaston - WR
Greg Salas (Rams)
Leonard Hankerson (Redskins)
Jeremy Horne
Chris Chambers
Derrick Williams (Lions)
Kevin Curtis
Brandon Kinnie - WR
Zeke Markshausen - WR
Jamar Newsome - WR
Josh Bellamy - WR


TE
Tony Gonzalez (Falcons)
Kevin Boss - TE
Leonard Pope
Steve Maneri - TE
Tim Biere - TE

OT
Branden Albert
Eric Winston - RT
Bruce Campbell (Raiders)
David Mims - OT
Ryan O'Callaghan
Lee Ziemba (Panthers)
Alex Boone (49ers)


G
Brian Waters
Lilja, Ryan
Jason Pinkston (Browns)
Wade Smith
Duke Robinson (Panthers)
Justin Cheadle - OL
Cam Holland - OL

C
Rodney Hudson (Chiefs)
Wiegmann, Casey
Rob Bruggeman - C

K
Alex Henery (Eagles)
Matt Szymanski - K

P
Dustin Colquitt

FS
Kendrick Lewis
Kyle McCarthy - S
Jarrad Page (Patriots)

SS
Reshad Jones (Dolphins)
Shiloh Keo (Texans)

CB
Brandon Flowers
Stanford Routt - CB
D.J. Moore (Bears)
Travis Daniels
Jacques Reeves - DB
Mikail Baker - DB
Tysyn Hartman - DB
Jean Fanor - DB
Terrance Parks - DB
Chandler Fenner - DB
Neiko Thorpe - DB

OLB
Rey Maualuga (Bengals)
Dekoda Watson (Buccaneers)
Andy Studebaker
Chris Carter (Steelers)
Bruce Miller (49ers)
Caleb Campbell - LB
Dexter Heyman - LB
Charlie Anderson
Eric Bakhtiari
Justin Cole

ILB
Derrick Johnson
Brandon Siler - ILB
Demorrio Williams

DE
Tamba Hali
Da'Quan Bowers (Buccaneers)
Alex Carrington (Bills)
Wallace Gilberry
Luke Patterson - DL
Ethan Johnson - DE

DT
Glenn Dorsey
Amon Gordon - DT
Ron Edwards
Smith, Shaun
Myron Pryor (Patriots)
Anthony Toribio
Lawrence Guy (Packers)

Rain Man
06-09-2012, 12:14 AM
Okay, people, it's draft time.

You get your seven picks below, and IF you still have Jarrad Page you can trade him for the 238th pick and get that pick in the 7th round. Otherwise, you don't get that pick.


Round Pick In Round Total Selection
1 11 11
2 12 44
3 11 74
4 12 107
5 11 146
6 12 182
7 11 218
7 31 238 if you trade away Jarrad Page.

Rain Man
06-09-2012, 11:10 PM
Okay, here's our draft

Round 1 - WR Kendall Wright (Titans -20th pick)

Wanted to go DE with Coples, Ingram, or Mercilus, but the last two will be OLBs and Wright was too good a value. While we're building depth at WR with Breaston, Leonard Hankerson, and Greg Salas, Wright could come in and start.

Also considered DT Michael Brockers.

Round 2 - Zach Brown (Titans - 52nd pick)

I guess we liked the Titans' draft.

We're desperate at OLB, and Brown was a good value who kept us from drafting Ingram or Mercilus earlier. Lots of good potential picks as we considered DTs Devon Still and Jerel Worthy, OLB Lavonte David, and DE Vinny Curry.

Round 3 - QB Russell Wilson (Seahawks - 75th pick)

Easy choice here as we continue our strategy of drafting an early QB every year until we find one. (Sanchez and Clausen haven't yet proven themselves for us.)

If Wilson wasn't available we would've gone with (in order): DT Mike Martin, WR Mohammad Sanu, OLB Nigel Bradham, WR Chris Givens, or DE Jake Bequette. Taking a WR here would've probably pushed our 1st round pick to Coples.

Round 4 - OLB Ronnell Lewis (Lions - 125th pick)

Too much value here, and our OLBs are really weak. More competition to go with Zach Brown.

Also considered DE Jared Crick very strongly, and pondered ILB James-Michael Johnson and RB Chris Rainey even though we don't need help at those positions.

Round 5 - DE Jonathan Massaquoi (Falcons - 164th pick)

Definitely need help at DE and he looked like good value. Also considered RBs Chris Rainey and Cyrus Gray, and FS Markelle Martin.

Round 6 - SS Charles Mitchell (Falcons - 192nd pick)

Strongly considered FS Markelle Martin, but we need a SS and Mitchell looks promising. Also considered CB Alphonso Dennard.

Round 7 - CB Alphonso Dennard (Patriots - 224th pick)

We need depth at CB and he seemed like a steal. Apparently fell due to some minor legal problems. Debated between him and DE Cam Johnson, as well as WR Junior Hemingway.

Round 7 (obtained by accepting the trade of Jarrad Page, who was still on our roster, for this pick) - WR Junior Hemingway (Chiefs - 238th pick)

Maybe some WR depth and a deep threat. Wanted Cam Johnson, but he went one pick before this. Also debated on FS Antonio Allen and undrafted free agent Ryan Steed.

Rain Man
06-09-2012, 11:40 PM
My initial training camp depth chart is as follows:

QB
Mark Sanchez (Jets)
Russell Wilson (Seahawks)
Jimmy Clausen (Panthers)
Tyler Palko
Brodie Croyle

I need someone to step up here.

HB
Jamaal Charles
C.J. Spiller. (Bills)
Shaun Draughn
Nate Eachus
Jackie Battle
Thomas Jones

I like this situation with two speed merchants on top of the chart.

FB
Peyton Hillis
Tim Castille
Taylor Gentry

Hillis will be fine.

WR
Dwayne Bowe
Kendall Wright (Titans)
Steve Breaston - WR
Greg Salas (Rams)
Leonard Hankerson (Redskins)
Jeremy Horne
Junior Hemingway (Chiefs)
Derrick Williams (Lions)
Brandon Kinnie - WR
Zeke Markshausen - WR
Jamar Newsome - WR
Josh Bellamy - WR
Chris Chambers
Kevin Curtis

Building some good depth here. I like how this unit is coming together.

TE
Tony Gonzalez (Falcons)
Kevin Boss - TE
Leonard Pope
Steve Maneri - TE
Tim Biere - TE

Set here with Tony and great depth.

OT
Branden Albert
Eric Winston - RT
Bruce Campbell (Raiders)
Alex Boone (49ers)
Lee Ziemba (Panthers)
David Mims - OT
Ryan O'Callaghan

Our free agent tackle helped a lot. We have lots of young depth.

G
Brian Waters
Lilja, Ryan
Jason Pinkston (Browns)
Wade Smith
Duke Robinson (Panthers)
Justin Cheadle - OL
Cam Holland - OL

Looking good here with three legitimate starters plus versatile Wade Smith.

C
Rodney Hudson (Chiefs)
Wiegmann, Casey
Rob Bruggeman

Looking good here as long as Hudson remains healthy. Wiegman may be retiring, which would be a loss.

K
Alex Henery (Eagles)
Matt Szymanski - K

Great shape here.

P
Dustin Colquitt

Great shape here.

FS
Kendrick Lewis
Kyle McCarthy

Really needed to upgrade here, but couldn't find a place to do it in the draft.

SS
Reshad Jones (Dolphins)
Charles Mitchell (Falcons)
Shiloh Keo (Texans)

I need Mitchell to step up, or maybe Jones.

CB
Brandon Flowers
Stanford Routt - CB
D.J. Moore (Bears)
Travis Daniels
Jacques Reeves - DB
Alphonso Dennard (Jets)
Mikail Baker - DB
Tysyn Hartman - DB
Jean Fanor - DB
Terrance Parks - DB
Chandler Fenner - DB
Neiko Thorpe - DB

Pretty deep. No big-name all-stars, but good unit.

OLB
Rey Maualuga (Bengals)
Zach Brown (Titans)
Ronnell Lewis (Lions)
Dekoda Watson (Buccaneers)
Andy Studebaker
Chris Carter (Steelers)
Bruce Miller (49ers)
Caleb Campbell - LB
Dexter Heyman - LB
Charlie Anderson
Eric Bakhtiari
Justin Cole

Major talent infusion here since we weren't very good last year in this area. I think we have the potential for a great unit if the rookies work out.

ILB
Derrick Johnson
Brandon Siler - ILB
Demorrio Williams

No changes here, and none needed.

DE
Tamba Hali
Da'Quan Bowers (Buccaneers) - Injured
Alex Carrington (Bills)
Jonathan Massaquoi (Falcons)
Luke Patterson - DL
Ethan Johnson - DE
Wallace Gilberry

Losing Bowers hurts. Hali is fine on the left and we can put Carrington on the right. Let's hope the rookie steps it up.

DT
Glenn Dorsey
Amon Gordon
Smith, Shaun
Myron Pryor (Patriots)
Anthony Toribio
Lawrence Guy (Packers)
Ron Edwards

Didn't upgrade the talent here. We're deep, but not great. Dorsey is a big help.

patteeu
07-27-2012, 10:44 AM
I finally got around to working this out. I think I followed the rules.

My team lost/cut (or in one case traded for a pick) the following players:

Brodie Croyle (QB)
Tyler Palko (QB)
Thomas Jones (RB)
Jackie Battle (RB)
Tim Castille (FB)
Chris Chambers (WR)
Chandler Williams (WR)
Brad Cottam (TE)
Ryan O'Callaghan (OT)
Brian Waters (G)
Jarrad Page (FS)
Brandon Carr (CB)
Mike Vrabel (OLB)
Shaun Smith (DE)
Ron Edwards (DT)
Tank Tyler (DT)

I added the following Free Agents:

Brady Quinn (QB)
Shaun Draughn (RB)
Nate Eachus (RB)
Peyton Hillis (FB)
Kevin Boss (TE)
Steve Manari (TE)
David Mims (OT)
Eric Winston (OT)
Stanford Routt (CB)
Brandon Siler (ILB)
Amon Gordon (NT)

My 2012 draft looks like this:

1.11 (11) David DeCastro (G - Pittsburgh)
2.12 (44) Kendall Reyes (DE - San Diego)
3.11 (74) Bernard Pierce (RB - Baltimore)
4.12 (107) Alameda Ta'amu (NT - Pittsburgh)
5.11 (146) DeQuan Menzie (CB)
6.12 (182) Cyrus Gray (RB)
7.11 (218) Nate Potter (OT - Arizona)
7.31 (238) David Paulson (TE - Pittsburgh)

patteeu
07-27-2012, 11:09 AM
Here is my training camp roster:

QB
Matt Cassel
Brady Quinn
Ricky Stanzi

RB
Jamaal Charles
Bernard Pierce (Ravens)
Cyrus Gray
Shaun Draughn
Nate Eachus

FB
Peyton Hillis
Shane Bannon

WR
Dwayne Bowe
Jonathan Baldwin
Steve Breaston
Dexter McCluster
David Reed (Ravens)
Jeremy Horne
Kevin Curtis

TE
Kevin Boss
Steve Manari
Leonard Pope (Steelers)
Cody Slate
Julius Thomas (Broncos)
David Paulson (Steelers)

OT
Branden Albert
Eric Winston
David Mims
Nate Potter (Cardinals)

G
Ryan Lilja
Jon Asamoah
David DeCastro (Steelers)
Kraig Urbik (Bills)

C
Rodney Hudson
Matt Tennant (Saints)
Rudy Niswanger

K
Ryan Succop

P
Dustin Colquitt

FS
Kendrick Lewis

SS
Eric Berry

CB
Brandon Flowers
Stanford Routt
Alterraun Verner (Titans)
Johnny Patrick (Saints)
DeQuan Menzie

OLB
Tamba Hali
Justin Houston
Andy Studebaker
Justin Cole (Rams)

ILB
Derrick Johnson
Sean Lee (Cowboys)
Corey Mays
Demorrio Williams (Chargers)
Brandon Siler
Charlie Anderson
Eric Bakhtiari (49ers)
Micah Johnson (Bengals)

DE
Glenn Dorsey
Tyson Jackson
Wallace Gilberry
Karl Klug (Titans)
Kendall Reyes (Chargers)

NT
Amon Gordon
Anthony Toribio
Jerrell Powe
Alameda Ta'amu (Steelers)

wazu
08-13-2012, 10:41 PM
I know I am late on this, so sorry. I promise what has happened so far has not colored or changed one pic. Tonight all I did was figure out a few late rounders, and did not investigate them beyond the highlights that were available on the NFL's 2012 draft site. I have watched zero pre-season games (not even the Chiefs), and been only a bit aware of what's gone on at all due mainly to a health crisis with my dad. The one thing I do know thanks to this site is that DeCastro has disappointed so far, but he was the first rounder I had been planning on so making myself stick with it.

So here goes:

My Draft:

1. G David DeCastro (Steelers)
2. QB Brock Osweiler (Broncos)
3. OT Donald Stephenson
4. NT Alameda Ta'amu (Steelers)
5. S George Iloka (Bengals)
6. WR B.J. Cunningham (Dolphins)
7a. WR Rishard Matthews (Dolphins)
7b. ILB Vontaze Burflict (Bengals)

My Camp Roster:

QB
Mark Sanchez (Jets)
Brady Quinn
Ricky Stanzi
Brock Osweiler (Broncos)

HB
Jamaal Charles
Peyton Hillis

FB
Tim Castille
Shane Bannon

WR
Dwayne Bowe
Steve Breaston
Jonathan Baldwin
Dezmon Briscoe (Buccaneers)
B.J. Cunningham (Dolphins)
Rishard Matthews (Dolphins)

TE
Chase Coffman (Bucs)
Jake O'Connell
Kevin Boss

OT
Branden Albert
Eric Winston
Selvish Capers (Giants)
Donald Stephenson

G
Lilja, Ryan
Jon Asamoah
David DeCastro (Steelers)

C
Matt Tennant (Saints)
Rodney Hudson

K
Ryan Succop

P
Dustin Colquitt

S
Eric Berry
Geroge Iloka (Bengals)

CB
Brandon Flowers
Perrish Cox (49ers)
Stanford Routt
Jalil Brown

OLB
Tamba Hali
Justin Houston
Clint Sintim (Giants)
Sergio Kindle (Ravens)
Ricky Sapp (Jets)

ILB
Derrick Johnson
Jovan Belcher
Vontaze Burflict (Bengals)

DE
Glenn Dorsey
Allen Bailey
Amon Gordon
Wallace Gilberry

NT
Terrence Cody (Ravens)
Cam Thomas (Chargers)
Jerrell Powe
Alameda Ta'amu (Steelers)

Rain Man
08-13-2012, 10:51 PM
Awesome. It'll be interesting to see if the two Decastro teams win out, or if my Kendall Wright pick trumps him.

Rain Man
09-02-2012, 08:25 PM
Okay, time to cut to your final 53.

Note: You can add any of the following players to your roster if they're not already on there. (These are free agent/undrafted pickups on the Chiefs roster.)

RB -- Shaun Draughn (1st year, North Carolina), Nate Eachus (rookie, Colgate).
TE -- Kevin Boss (6th year, Western Oregon)
DL -- Ropati Pitoitua (4th year, Washington State).
LB -- Edgar Jones (6th year, Southeast Missouri)
DB -- Abram Elam (7th year, Kent State), Tysyn Hartman (rookie, Kansas State).

patteeu
09-02-2012, 08:30 PM
Awesome. It'll be interesting to see if the two Decastro teams win out, or if my Kendall Wright pick trumps him.

The Wright pick looks pretty good at this point. *sigh*

Rain Man
09-02-2012, 09:08 PM
My final roster is as follows.

My big news is that I'm going to give up and switch to a 3-4. I'm having all sorts of problems in my front seven on defense, and I think they'll fare better as a 3-4 unit.

My offense is coming together very well, but my defense is struggling.

QB
Russell Wilson (Seahawks)
Mark Sanchez (Jets)
Jimmy Clausen (Panthers)

I may have a starting quarterback. (Two of them, actually.)

HB
Jamaal Charles
C.J. Spiller. (Bills)
Shaun Draughn
Nate Eachus

I like this situation with two speed merchants on top of the chart. Spiller should be increasing his carries in Buffalo.

FB
Peyton Hillis

Hillis was a nice pickup.

WR
Dwayne Bowe
Kendall Wright (Titans)
Steve Breaston - WR
Leonard Hankerson (Redskins)
Greg Salas (Rams)

Wide receiver is really coming together for me. Wright, Breaston, and Hankerson can man my #2 spot. Wright is a rookie 1st rounder who will start in Britt's absence in Tennessee, and Hankerson is a 2nd string guy expected to get lots of action in Washington. Salas is a third-stringer in St. Louis.

TE
Tony Gonzalez (Falcons)
Kevin Boss - TE
Steve Maneri - TE

Set here with Tony and great depth.

OT
Branden Albert
Eric Winston - RT
Bruce Campbell (Raiders)

Our free agent tackle helped a lot. We have young depth, too. I'm happy. Bruce Campbell was traded to Carolina and is a backup tackle there.

G
Brian Waters
Jason Pinkston (Browns)
Alex Boone (49ers)
Lilja, Ryan
Wade Smith

We're going deep on the roster here because we have five NFL starters with Alex Boone blossoming in San Francisco. Pinkston and Boone are both starting.

C
Rodney Hudson (Chiefs)

Not much depth. Hopefully Hudson does well.

K
Alex Henery (Eagles)

Great shape here. Henery is a good kicker.

P
Dustin Colquitt

Great shape here.

FS
Kendrick Lewis
Travis Daniels
Charles Mitchell (Falcons)

Deep, but not scary, and Lewis is hurt. Mitchell is a rookie 2nd stringer with Atlanta.

SS
Reshad Jones (Dolphins)
Abram Elam
Tysyn Hartman - DB

Jones is a starter for Miami, so I'm okay here and have depth.

CB
Brandon Flowers
Stanford Routt - CB
D.J. Moore (Bears)
Alphonso Dennard (Patriots)

This unit went from being deep to being very thin. Moore is a nickel back in Chicago, and Dennard is a rookie who made the Patriots but is deep in the depth chart.

OLB
Tamba Hali
Chris Carter (Steelers)
Zach Brown (Titans)
Dekoda Watson (Buccaneers)
Andy Studebaker

I'm moving Hali back to his great OLB spot in the 3-4. On the other side, I'll put Chris Carter, I guess, who's backing up James Harrison in Pittsburgh. The other non-Chiefs are NFL second-stringers, Brown as a rookie and Watson in his third year. I have depth, but I need someone to step up beside Hali.

ILB
Derrick Johnson
Rey Maualuga (Bengals)
Brandon Siler - ILB

Going back to a 3-4 lets me move Maualuga back to his natural position, and I'm strong here even if I lack depth.

DE
Glenn Dorsey
Ropati Pitoitua
Ronnell Lewis (Lions)
Jonathan Massaquoi (Falcons)
Da'Quan Bowers (Buccaneers)

Another big problem area. Lewis and Massaquoi are both rookies, and Lewis is a second-stringer. Massaquoi is buried on the chart, though he's gotten some good reviews. Neither is big enough to be a 3-4 end, which may mean they're screwed in the long run. I invested a high pick in Bowers in my 4-3 defense and he's out for the year, most likely, with an offseason injury. I'm not sure how he'll fit even if he comes back. So Glenn and Ropati will be my guys.

NT
Ron Edwards
Anthony Toribio
Alex Carrington (Bills)

Well, Ron Edwards is starting in Carolina, so he and Toribio will split snapes at NT. Carrington was moved by Buffalo from DE to OLB and now to DT. Not sure what's going on there, but he's not a NT, so I'm not sure what to do with him in the long run.

Tough Cuts:

Junior Hemingway (Chiefs)
Leonard Pope
Neiko Thorpe - DB
Edgar Jones
Demorrio Williams
Smith, Shaun
Myron Pryor (Patriots)


Easy Cuts:

Tyler Palko
Brodie Croyle
Jackie Battle
Thomas Jones
Tim Castille
Taylor Gentry
Derrick Williams (Lions)
Brandon Kinnie - WR
Zeke Markshausen - WR
Jamar Newsome - WR
Josh Bellamy - WR
Chris Chambers
Kevin Curtis
Jeremy Horne
Tim Biere - TE
Lee Ziemba (Panthers)
David Mims - OT
Ryan O'Callaghan
Duke Robinson (Panthers)
Justin Cheadle - OL
Cam Holland - OL
Wiegmann, Casey
Rob Bruggeman
Matt Szymanski - K
Kyle McCarthy
Shiloh Keo (Texans)
Jacques Reeves - DB
Mikail Baker - DB
Jean Fanor - DB
Terrance Parks - DB
Chandler Fenner - DB
Bruce Miller (49ers)
Caleb Campbell - LB
Dexter Heyman - LB
Charlie Anderson
Eric Bakhtiari
Justin Cole
Luke Patterson - DL
Ethan Johnson - DE
Wallace Gilberry
Amon Gordon
Lawrence Guy (Packers)

Rain Man
09-02-2012, 09:10 PM
The Wright pick looks pretty good at this point. *sigh*

Wow, I didn't realize his injury was that bad. Yeah, Wright wins.

patteeu
09-03-2012, 12:23 PM
Here is my 53 man roster:

QB
Matt Cassel
Brady Quinn
Ricky Stanzi

I'm hurting here. I'm obviously hoping for a career year from someone.

RB
Jamaal Charles
Bernard Pierce (Ravens)
Cyrus Gray
Shaun Draughn
Nate Eachus

FB
Peyton Hillis

I'm comfortable with this backfield, but not ecstatic. Bernard Pierce is hobbled at the moment and it remains to be seen whether he is Ray Rice's heir apparent in Baltimore. For now though, the Charles/Hillis combo is pretty promising.

WR
Dwayne Bowe
Jonathan Baldwin
Steve Breaston
Dexter McCluster
David Reed (Ravens) PUP

I'm pretty thin here with David Reed currently on Baltimore's PUP list.

TE
Kevin Boss
Steve Manari
Julius Thomas (Broncos)

I'm crossing my fingers for the health of Kevin Boss and I hope that one of my other two guys can block.

OT
Branden Albert
Eric Winston
David Mims
Nate Potter (Cardinals)

G
Ryan Lilja
Jon Asamoah
David DeCastro (Steelers) IR
Kraig Urbik (Bills)

C
Rodney Hudson
Matt Tennant (Patriots)

I was pretty happy with my starting lineup until DeCastro disappeared for the season. Fortunately, I had more depth at Guard than at any other OL position so Ryan Lilja or Kraig Urbik can step in. My depth beyond that is pretty questionable though.

K
Ryan Succop

P
Dustin Colquitt

Adequate to good kickers, IMO.

FS
Kendrick Lewis

SS
Eric Berry

CB
Brandon Flowers
Stanford Routt
Alterraun Verner (Titans)
Johnny Patrick (Saints)
DeQuan Menzie IR

I have decent front line quality but I'm super thin here. I'm kicking myself for missing out on Abram Elam when the Chiefs picked him up. It looks like I'll be filling in with a lot of stiffs off the street this season.

OLB
Tamba Hali
Justin Houston
Andy Studebaker
Justin Cole (Rams)

ILB
Derrick Johnson
Sean Lee (Cowboys)
Demorrio Williams (Chargers)
Brandon Siler
Eric Bakhtiari (free agent)

I've got some decent linebackers, but depending on injuries or suspensions I may need to move Derrick Johnson back to OLB at some point.

DE
Glenn Dorsey
Tyson Jackson
Wallace Gilberry
Karl Klug (Titans)
Kendall Reyes (Chargers)

NT
Anthony Toribio
Jerrell Powe
Alameda Ta'amu (Steelers)

I still need someone to step up at NT. Hopefully Toribio or Powe can do the job this year. Ta'amu looks like he needs a year or two to develop.

Rain Man
09-04-2012, 06:36 PM
I have decent front line quality but I'm super thin here. I'm kicking myself for missing out on Abram Elam when the Chiefs picked him up. It looks like I'll be filling in with a lot of stiffs off the street this season.



I think you can pick up Elam, because he came to the Chiefs this season, right? The rule is that anyone who signs with the Chiefs as a free agent is on your training camp roster.

wazu
09-04-2012, 09:09 PM
QB
Mark Sanchez (Jets)
Brady Quinn
Ricky Stanzi
Brock Osweiler (Broncos)

RB
Jamaal Charles
Peyton Hillis
Shaun Draughn
Nate Eachus

WR
Dwayne Bowe
Steve Breaston
Jonathan Baldwin
Dezmon Briscoe (Redskins)
B.J. Cunningham (Eagles)
Rishard Matthews (Dolphins)

TE
Chase Coffman (Falcons)
Jake O'Connell
Kevin Boss

OT
Branden Albert
Eric Winston
Selvish Capers (Giants)
Donald Stephenson

G
Lilja, Ryan
Jon Asamoah
David DeCastro (Steelers)

C
Rodney Hudson

K
Ryan Succop

P
Dustin Colquitt

S
Eric Berry
Geroge Iloka (Bengals)
Abram Elam
Tysyn Hartman

CB
Brandon Flowers
Perrish Cox (49ers)
Stanford Routt
Jalil Brown

OLB
Tamba Hali
Justin Houston
Sergio Kindle (Ravens)
Ricky Sapp (Jets)
Edgar Jones

ILB
Derrick Johnson
Jovan Belcher
Vontaze Burflict (Bengals)

DE
Glenn Dorsey
Allen Bailey
Ropati Pitoitua

NT
Terrence Cody (Ravens)
Cam Thomas (Chargers)
Jerrell Powe
Alameda Ta'amu (Steelers)

wazu
09-04-2012, 09:11 PM
I am really stacked at NT. And no Poe.

patteeu
09-05-2012, 08:20 AM
I think you can pick up Elam, because he came to the Chiefs this season, right? The rule is that anyone who signs with the Chiefs as a free agent is on your training camp roster.

In that case, David Mims is gone and Elam is on my roster.


Here is my 53 man roster:

QB
Matt Cassel
Brady Quinn
Ricky Stanzi

I'm hurting here. I'm obviously hoping for a career year from someone.

RB
Jamaal Charles
Bernard Pierce (Ravens)
Cyrus Gray
Shaun Draughn
Nate Eachus

FB
Peyton Hillis

I'm comfortable with this backfield, but not ecstatic. Bernard Pierce is hobbled at the moment and it remains to be seen whether he is Ray Rice's heir apparent in Baltimore. For now though, the Charles/Hillis combo is pretty promising.

WR
Dwayne Bowe
Jonathan Baldwin
Steve Breaston
Dexter McCluster
David Reed (Ravens) PUP

I'm pretty thin here with David Reed currently on Baltimore's PUP list.

TE
Kevin Boss
Steve Manari
Julius Thomas (Broncos)

I'm crossing my fingers for the health of Kevin Boss and I hope that one of my other two guys can block.

OT
Branden Albert
Eric Winston
Nate Potter (Cardinals)

G
Ryan Lilja
Jon Asamoah
David DeCastro (Steelers) IR
Kraig Urbik (Bills)

C
Rodney Hudson
Matt Tennant (Patriots)

I was pretty happy with my starting lineup until DeCastro disappeared for the season. Fortunately, I had more depth at Guard than at any other OL position so Ryan Lilja or Kraig Urbik can step in. My depth beyond that is pretty questionable though.

K
Ryan Succop

P
Dustin Colquitt

Adequate to good kickers, IMO.

FS
Kendrick Lewis
Abram Elam

SS
Eric Berry

CB
Brandon Flowers
Stanford Routt
Alterraun Verner (Titans)
Johnny Patrick (Saints)
DeQuan Menzie IR

I have decent front line quality but I'm super thin here. I'm kicking myself for missing out on Abram Elam when the Chiefs picked him up. It looks like I'll be filling in with a lot of stiffs off the street this season.

OLB
Tamba Hali
Justin Houston
Andy Studebaker
Justin Cole (Rams)

ILB
Derrick Johnson
Sean Lee (Cowboys)
Demorrio Williams (Chargers)
Brandon Siler
Eric Bakhtiari (free agent)

I've got some decent linebackers, but depending on injuries or suspensions I may need to move Derrick Johnson back to OLB at some point.

DE
Glenn Dorsey
Tyson Jackson
Wallace Gilberry
Karl Klug (Titans)
Kendall Reyes (Chargers)

NT
Anthony Toribio
Jerrell Powe
Alameda Ta'amu (Steelers)

I still need someone to step up at NT. Hopefully Toribio or Powe can do the job this year. Ta'amu looks like he needs a year or two to develop.

wazu
09-16-2012, 10:40 AM
WOOT! My 7B pick for 2012 is a starter already. For the Bengals, but still. :)

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/16/vontaze-burfict-now-a-starter-for-the-bengals/

Rain Man
01-07-2013, 03:57 PM
My offense is actually looking pretty good. I may have to replace Tony G and I could use a fourth WR, but overall my offense is pretty decent.

My special teams is good, so no problem there.

On defense, my linebackers are now pretty decent with the emergence of Zach Brown. They're good. However, I need a free safety, a #2 cornerback, and nickel back, and my defensive line is a disaster.

I'm debating whether I'll get another QB with my 1st pick or not. I may just go all defensive line and defensive backs in this draft. Sheesh.


My final roster is as follows.

My big news is that I'm going to give up and switch to a 3-4. I'm having all sorts of problems in my front seven on defense, and I think they'll fare better as a 3-4 unit.

My offense is coming together very well, but my defense is struggling.

QB
Russell Wilson (Seahawks)
Mark Sanchez (Jets)
Jimmy Clausen (Panthers)

I may have a starting quarterback. (Two of them, actually.)

HB
Jamaal Charles
C.J. Spiller. (Bills)
Shaun Draughn
Nate Eachus

I like this situation with two speed merchants on top of the chart. Spiller should be increasing his carries in Buffalo.

FB
Peyton Hillis

Hillis was a nice pickup.

WR
Dwayne Bowe
Kendall Wright (Titans)
Steve Breaston - WR
Leonard Hankerson (Redskins)
Greg Salas (Rams)

Wide receiver is really coming together for me. Wright, Breaston, and Hankerson can man my #2 spot. Wright is a rookie 1st rounder who will start in Britt's absence in Tennessee, and Hankerson is a 2nd string guy expected to get lots of action in Washington. Salas is a third-stringer in St. Louis.

TE
Tony Gonzalez (Falcons)
Kevin Boss - TE
Steve Maneri - TE

Set here with Tony and great depth.

OT
Branden Albert
Eric Winston - RT
Bruce Campbell (Raiders)

Our free agent tackle helped a lot. We have young depth, too. I'm happy. Bruce Campbell was traded to Carolina and is a backup tackle there.

G
Brian Waters
Jason Pinkston (Browns)
Alex Boone (49ers)
Lilja, Ryan
Wade Smith

We're going deep on the roster here because we have five NFL starters with Alex Boone blossoming in San Francisco. Pinkston and Boone are both starting.

C
Rodney Hudson (Chiefs)

Not much depth. Hopefully Hudson does well.

K
Alex Henery (Eagles)

Great shape here. Henery is a good kicker.

P
Dustin Colquitt

Great shape here.

FS
Kendrick Lewis
Travis Daniels
Charles Mitchell (Falcons)

Deep, but not scary, and Lewis is hurt. Mitchell is a rookie 2nd stringer with Atlanta.

SS
Reshad Jones (Dolphins)
Abram Elam
Tysyn Hartman - DB

Jones is a starter for Miami, so I'm okay here and have depth.

CB
Brandon Flowers
Stanford Routt - CB
D.J. Moore (Bears)
Alphonso Dennard (Patriots)

This unit went from being deep to being very thin. Moore is a nickel back in Chicago, and Dennard is a rookie who made the Patriots but is deep in the depth chart.

OLB
Tamba Hali
Chris Carter (Steelers)
Zach Brown (Titans)
Dekoda Watson (Buccaneers)
Andy Studebaker

I'm moving Hali back to his great OLB spot in the 3-4. On the other side, I'll put Chris Carter, I guess, who's backing up James Harrison in Pittsburgh. The other non-Chiefs are NFL second-stringers, Brown as a rookie and Watson in his third year. I have depth, but I need someone to step up beside Hali.

ILB
Derrick Johnson
Rey Maualuga (Bengals)
Brandon Siler - ILB

Going back to a 3-4 lets me move Maualuga back to his natural position, and I'm strong here even if I lack depth.

DE
Glenn Dorsey
Ropati Pitoitua
Ronnell Lewis (Lions)
Jonathan Massaquoi (Falcons)
Da'Quan Bowers (Buccaneers)

Another big problem area. Lewis and Massaquoi are both rookies, and Lewis is a second-stringer. Massaquoi is buried on the chart, though he's gotten some good reviews. Neither is big enough to be a 3-4 end, which may mean they're screwed in the long run. I invested a high pick in Bowers in my 4-3 defense and he's out for the year, most likely, with an offseason injury. I'm not sure how he'll fit even if he comes back. So Glenn and Ropati will be my guys.

NT
Ron Edwards
Anthony Toribio
Alex Carrington (Bills)

Well, Ron Edwards is starting in Carolina, so he and Toribio will split snapes at NT. Carrington was moved by Buffalo from DE to OLB and now to DT. Not sure what's going on there, but he's not a NT, so I'm not sure what to do with him in the long run.

wazu
01-08-2013, 02:47 PM
My offense is actually looking pretty good. I may have to replace Tony G and I could use a fourth WR, but overall my offense is pretty decent.

My special teams is good, so no problem there.

On defense, my linebackers are now pretty decent with the emergence of Zach Brown. They're good. However, I need a free safety, a #2 cornerback, and nickel back, and my defensive line is a disaster.

I'm debating whether I'll get another QB with my 1st pick or not. I may just go all defensive line and defensive backs in this draft. Sheesh.

Russell Wilson? You beautiful bastard.

Rain Man
01-08-2013, 03:27 PM
Russell Wilson? You beautiful bastard.

I had a good, good draft, putting new starters in areas of need.

Kendall Wright in the first looks like a strong starter alongside Bowe.

Zach Brown in the second got 5.5 sacks and 3 ints as a rookie and claimed a starting job for me at OLB.

Russell Wilson in the third gives me a QB.

Alphonso Dennard in the seventh got half a dozen starts and three interceptions, which may be filling my hole at #2 CB.

I think my offense is pretty darn good now, and I've got four solid linebacker starters. My defensive line is the thing that I can't solve at the moment, along with free safety.

wazu
01-11-2013, 02:24 AM
Really, Russell Wilson may be "checkmate" on this whole deal for awhile. I'll most likely be going with Geno this year, maybe Tyler depending on where they each land. But damn. Well played. Not even sure if there is a point to posting a poll in the Lounge this year.

Rain Man
01-11-2013, 12:34 PM
Really, Russell Wilson may be "checkmate" on this whole deal for awhile. I'll most likely be going with Geno this year, maybe Tyler depending on where they each land. But damn. Well played. Not even sure if there is a point to posting a poll in the Lounge this year.

We never really got much participation in the polls so I figured it would really be more just an internal thing at this point.

The more interesting poll, which I'm considering this year, is a "did these teams show better drafting than Pioli" poll. It'd be kind of interesting, but we might all benefit from some intense dislike of anything Pioli.

I'm really not sure if I'll ride the Wilson ship or if I'll draft Geno anyway. I figure it can't hurt to have depth at that position.

wazu
01-11-2013, 04:26 PM
We never really got much participation in the polls so I figured it would really be more just an internal thing at this point.

The more interesting poll, which I'm considering this year, is a "did these teams show better drafting than *****" poll. It'd be kind of interesting, but we might all benefit from some intense dislike of anything *****.

I'm really not sure if I'll ride the Wilson ship or if I'll draft Geno anyway. I figure it can't hurt to have depth at that position.

I think that would be a good approach. I'm disappointed with my own drafts, but still smile when realizing I spent about 30 minutes researching each year and still think I beat Scotty.

Looking forward to keeping this rolling and watching it continue to evolve.

chiefscafan
02-21-2013, 11:12 AM
Ok I liked this ill base on what I thought last year I'll be honest the only two picks I'll change are Wilson and burfict in seventh. I still need to find my roster but lets do this again this year.

Rain Man
04-07-2013, 08:51 PM
Ok I liked this ill base on what I thought last year I'll be honest the only two picks I'll change are Wilson and burfict in seventh. I still need to find my roster but lets do this again this year.

Hmm, I'm pondering the best way to get you back in. We need to be strict about the rules of having no hindsight and documenting our picks, so we have to have the teams in place before the season starts.

How about this? Take your last roster, and from there you can add the Chiefs' drafts and free agents until you get caught up. I think that's the fair way to go, and now you can start again with the upcoming draft.

Wazu and patteeu, does that seem fair?

wazu
04-07-2013, 08:54 PM
Hmm, I'm pondering the best way to get you back in. We need to be strict about the rules of having no hindsight and documenting our picks, so we have to have the teams in place before the season starts.

How about this? Take your last roster, and from there you can add the Chiefs' drafts and free agents until you get caught up. I think that's the fair way to go, and now you can start again with the upcoming draft.

Wazu and patteeu, does that seem fair?

I'm good with that.

Rain Man
04-07-2013, 10:26 PM
I'm good with that.

Cool.

I had another thought about stuff as we get ready to go into the draft. I don't think this affects anybody yet, so it's a good time to decide it.

If we draft a player from a team other than the Chiefs, what do we do if they leave their team via free agency? We remove Chiefs who leave via free agency, so it seems fair to do it to others. For example, I have CJ Spiller. If he moves from his team via free agency, it seems like I should lose him, too.

However, it may be a hassle to do that unless we have people do it on their own teams via the honor system. I'm not sure there's a great way to do it because I can't really track every player as our rosters diverge. Should we remove them ourselves for our own teams, or just leave them be?

I also recognize that we have an inherent disadvantage in not being able to sign our own free agents, so perhaps the advantage of keeping our drafted free agents merely offsets this disadvantage. (I'm rationalizing, of course.)

Rain Man
04-07-2013, 11:02 PM
As prep for the draft, changes to everyone's rosters so far due to free agency are as follows. Lots of changes this offseason.

Trades

Option to trade a 2nd this year and a future pick for QB Alex Smith. Prior to the draft, report whether you accept or reject this trade.

These players were all cut, but you have the option to keep them.

release OT Eric Winston
release WR Steve Breaston
release TE Kevin Boss
release TE Steve Maneri
release QB Matt Cassel
release K Matt Szymanski
release OLB Andy Studebaker
release OG Rich Ranglin

You can add these players to your training camp roster for the upcoming season.

sign CB Dunta Robinson $15m/3 years
sign S Hasain Abdullah
sign WR Mardy Gilyard
sign DT Marcus Dixon
sign TE Kevin Brock
sign TE Anthony Fasano 4 years
sign QB Chase Daniel 3 years
sign DE Mike DeVito $12.6m/3 years
sign WR Donnie Avery 3 years
sign CB Sean Smith $18m/3 years ($11m guaranteed)
sign OT/OG Geoff Schwartz
sign FB Ryan D'Imperio
sign LB Chad Kilgore
sign LB Frank Zombo
sign OL Tommie Draheim

wazu
04-08-2013, 12:02 AM
One note on released Chiefs players - if we draft somebody that the Chiefs also draft, do we at least get to keep them regardless of whether or not the Chiefs do? I don't think it's come up yet, but just thinking. Seems like we should be able to.

wazu
04-08-2013, 12:14 AM
Cool.

I had another thought about stuff as we get ready to go into the draft. I don't think this affects anybody yet, so it's a good time to decide it.

If we draft a player from a team other than the Chiefs, what do we do if they leave their team via free agency? We remove Chiefs who leave via free agency, so it seems fair to do it to others. For example, I have CJ Spiller. If he moves from his team via free agency, it seems like I should lose him, too.

However, it may be a hassle to do that unless we have people do it on their own teams via the honor system. I'm not sure there's a great way to do it because I can't really track every player as our rosters diverge. Should we remove them ourselves for our own teams, or just leave them be?

I also recognize that we have an inherent disadvantage in not being able to sign our own free agents, so perhaps the advantage of keeping our drafted free agents merely offsets this disadvantage. (I'm rationalizing, of course.)

Okay, missed this post. I would like for us to be able to keep players we draft regardless of what team they are on. I think it is a fair way to offset the fact that we don't get to choose the Chiefs free agent signings.

Rain Man
04-08-2013, 12:30 AM
One note on released Chiefs players - if we draft somebody that the Chiefs also draft, do we at least get to keep them regardless of whether or not the Chiefs do? I don't think it's come up yet, but just thinking. Seems like we should be able to.

Okay, missed this post. I would like for us to be able to keep players we draft regardless of what team they are on. I think it is a fair way to offset the fact that we don't get to choose the Chiefs free agent signings.

If that's the case, then we should start treating drafted Chiefs (2009-) the same as players drafted from other teams. No free agent losses.

Honestly, I'd prefer to have free agent losses on all sides, but it'll just be a pain to track so I'm fine to no longer lose free agents. It might give us a bit of a net advantage, but probably not much when you consider that we can't use free agency to fill our own gaps.

So henceforth, no free agent losses unless it's a Chief who was on the team prior to 2009.

Oh, wait. Are you thinking about cuts, too, e.g., Eric Winston?

Rain Man
04-08-2013, 12:46 AM
Never mind. We've always had the option to keep cut players. I'll go back and correct my previous post about releasing players.

patteeu
04-08-2013, 10:02 AM
I'm good with that.

Me too.

patteeu
04-08-2013, 10:05 AM
As prep for the draft, changes to everyone's rosters so far due to free agency are as follows. Lots of changes this offseason.

Trades

Option to trade a 2nd this year and a future pick for QB Alex Smith. Prior to the draft, report whether you accept or reject this trade.

I'm accepting that trade.

Rain Man
04-09-2013, 07:53 PM
I'm accepting that trade.

I was curious to see what you and wazu would do about that. I'm kind of tempted to do it just to get a good backup, but I'm not sure I want to give up whatever next year's pick is, too.

Even with the painful 35 percent discount I'm seriously considering trading down with my #1 pick. My key question is whether I take a good and safe OT that I will likely need next year, or a somewhat more risky DT that I'm desperate for this year.

I'm still struggling a little with this whole free agent thing. It seems a little unfair for us to never lose a free agent, but it could also be a pain to monitor it for the lower tier players. Any ideas? I'd like for us to fight the free agent battle along with the NFL Chiefs.

At a minimum, I'm thinking that we shouldn't get compensatory picks starting next year if we don't lose free agents. This year we should get them because we all lost Brandon Carr, but if for example Albert walks and we keep him, we shouldn't get compensated for it.

patteeu
04-09-2013, 09:26 PM
I was curious to see what you and wazu would do about that. I'm kind of tempted to do it just to get a good backup, but I'm not sure I want to give up whatever next year's pick is, too.

Even with the painful 35 percent discount I'm seriously considering trading down with my #1 pick. My key question is whether I take a good and safe OT that I will likely need next year, or a somewhat more risky DT that I'm desperate for this year.

I'm still struggling a little with this whole free agent thing. It seems a little unfair for us to never lose a free agent, but it could also be a pain to monitor it for the lower tier players. Any ideas? I'd like for us to fight the free agent battle along with the NFL Chiefs.

At a minimum, I'm thinking that we shouldn't get compensatory picks starting next year if we don't lose free agents. This year we should get them because we all lost Brandon Carr, but if for example Albert walks and we keep him, we shouldn't get compensated for it.

I don't really know what to do about free agents. I don't particularly want to monitor all of my "foreign" players for whether they leave through free agency or get cut/traded from their teams. As for Chiefs free agents, I could go either way. I agree that we shouldn't get both the free agent and the compensatory pick.

wazu
04-09-2013, 11:24 PM
I, too, am accepting the trade.

*Runs over to the corner of the room and pukes his guts out.*

wazu
04-09-2013, 11:30 PM
At a minimum, I'm thinking that we shouldn't get compensatory picks starting next year if we don't lose free agents. This year we should get them because we all lost Brandon Carr, but if for example Albert walks and we keep him, we shouldn't get compensated for it.

I'm good with this. Really, we are starting to get deep enough into this game that drafts will mean everything. If get so good at drafting that people look at our teams and think it's impossible salary-cap wise, then we can adjust.

And I think the honor system holds true. There are only 3 of us. We can look back and see who we drafted. If I passed on Baldwin, but he blows up, I won't claim to have him on my roster. There's no point. I just want to have some fun with this and see it continue to evolve.

Rain Man
04-10-2013, 11:20 PM
Okay, that settles it. We'll take compensatory picks this year, and henceforth we will not lose free agents other than Chiefs. We'll review it as we go to see if that gives us an unfair advantage or not.

If I can keep Albert and Winston, that'll help me a ton.

wazu
04-10-2013, 11:22 PM
Okay, that settles it. We'll take compensatory picks this year, and henceforth we will not lose free agents other than Chiefs. We'll review it as we go to see if that gives us an unfair advantage or not.

If I can keep Albert and Winston, that'll help me a ton.

You, me, patteau, and the real Chiefs as well. Can't fathom why this new regime thinks it's a good idea to cast off two very good tackles and create a new problem where one didn't already exist.

Rain Man
04-13-2013, 11:21 AM
You, me, patteau, and the real Chiefs as well. Can't fathom why this new regime thinks it's a good idea to cast off two very good tackles and create a new problem where one didn't already exist.

I can only shake my head. And they cut Winston. I don't get it. However, since he hasn't signed with anyone yet perhaps we can assume that there's a problem that we don't know about.

Edit: I guess we all lose Glenn Dorsey this year, too. Have we had anyone else walk? Oh, yeah. Brady Quinn. Anyone else?

Dorsey hurts me because he and Toribio are my only true tackles. Alex Carrington plays there a little, but he's not really a tackle. If Da'Quan Bowers ever comes back and justifies my first-round pick I'd like to go with a 4-3, but it's hard to do that when you have no defensive tackles. I think I may be stocking up on DTs in this draft.

Rain Man
04-13-2013, 01:46 PM
Hmm, I just had an idea that I think could be fun.

On our trade up and trade down scenarios, we introduced the "tax" (15 percent on trade up, 35 percent on trade down) because we know where the players were drafted. The tax offsets the perfect knowledge.

But what if we trade up or down BEFORE the draft? If that's the case, I think it would be reasonable to get full value.

What do you think about changing the tradeup/trade down rules to this?

1. If you trade up or down before the draft, you can trade at full value. However, this is irreversible. Once you make the call to do it, you can't go back and switch. You can make as many of these trades as you like as long as they only involve draft picks.

2. You can still trade up or down after the draft, in which case the rules in the thread header still apply.

If we really wanted to be pure, we would eliminate the second option and only go with the first. I could do that, though I think it's fun to do the tradeup/trade down thing.

patteeu
04-13-2013, 08:38 PM
Hmm, I just had an idea that I think could be fun.

On our trade up and trade down scenarios, we introduced the "tax" (15 percent on trade up, 35 percent on trade down) because we know where the players were drafted. The tax offsets the perfect knowledge.

But what if we trade up or down BEFORE the draft? If that's the case, I think it would be reasonable to get full value.

What do you think about changing the tradeup/trade down rules to this?

1. If you trade up or down before the draft, you can trade at full value. However, this is irreversible. Once you make the call to do it, you can't go back and switch. You can make as many of these trades as you like as long as they only involve draft picks.

2. You can still trade up or down after the draft, in which case the rules in the thread header still apply.

If we really wanted to be pure, we would eliminate the second option and only go with the first. I could do that, though I think it's fun to do the tradeup/trade down thing.

That's fine with me.

wazu
04-15-2013, 07:11 AM
I'm good with the new trade rule.

Rain Man
04-15-2013, 11:17 AM
(Banging gavel.) Okay, new trade rule is in.

Rain Man
04-20-2013, 06:28 PM
Hmm. I've been looking at draft points under the new rule. So if I trade with, say, Philadelphia at the #4 pick before the draft I would get every pick in their draft. Every one of them, and I'd still be giving up points. I realize that we have an oddity this year in having the #1 pick, but does that seem reasonable?

I haven't thought about how we would value future picks and probably wouldn't remember that I have one anyway, so I'm thinking I'll just stick with this year's picks.

I think I would make that trade prior to the draft, but want to confirm that it's a reasonable thing. Or is a pre-draft trade at face value too generous? We're assuming that we could make the trade in real life, and that may not always be the case.

wazu
04-21-2013, 09:08 AM
Hmm. I've been looking at draft points under the new rule. So if I trade with, say, Philadelphia at the #4 pick before the draft I would get every pick in their draft. Every one of them, and I'd still be giving up points. I realize that we have an oddity this year in having the #1 pick, but does that seem reasonable?

I haven't thought about how we would value future picks and probably wouldn't remember that I have one anyway, so I'm thinking I'll just stick with this year's picks.

I think I would make that trade prior to the draft, but want to confirm that it's a reasonable thing. Or is a pre-draft trade at face value too generous? We're assuming that we could make the trade in real life, and that may not always be the case.

Yeah, that seems crazy. How can that be just to move up 3 spots? Definitely cause for reconsidering the rule. I like having trading of picks as an option, though.

patteeu
04-21-2013, 09:48 AM
Hmm. I've been looking at draft points under the new rule. So if I trade with, say, Philadelphia at the #4 pick before the draft I would get every pick in their draft. Every one of them, and I'd still be giving up points. I realize that we have an oddity this year in having the #1 pick, but does that seem reasonable?

I haven't thought about how we would value future picks and probably wouldn't remember that I have one anyway, so I'm thinking I'll just stick with this year's picks.

I think I would make that trade prior to the draft, but want to confirm that it's a reasonable thing. Or is a pre-draft trade at face value too generous? We're assuming that we could make the trade in real life, and that may not always be the case.

We could do something like limit the amount you could get back in a tradedown to two picks in the same draft. And limit the number of trades you can make in a draft to two per year. That would keep us from getting ridiculous with the number of picks we end up with and it would be a modest penalty to compensate for the fact that we don't have to actually find a willing trade partner.

patteeu
04-21-2013, 09:50 AM
We could do something like limit the amount you could get back in a tradedown to two picks in the same draft. And limit the number of trades you can make in a draft to two per year. That would keep us from getting ridiculous with the number of picks we end up with and it would be a modest penalty to compensate for the fact that we don't have to actually find a willing trade partner.

A trade up scenario would be different. I'd just stick with the draft chart for that one.

I'm not a big fan of trades that involve future picks just because of the bookkeeping involved, but if you guys want to keep that option, that's fine with me. I'll probably just stick with same-season trades anyway.

Rain Man
04-21-2013, 04:49 PM
So are you proposing that the draft rules are:

Prior to the draft:

1. You can trade up at face value.
2. You can trade down at face value, but are limited to only two picks more in receipt than you give up.

After the draft:

1. You can trade up, but your picks are at a 15 percent discount.
2. You can trade down, but your picks are at a 35 percent discount and you are limited to only two picks more in receipt than you give up.


I made it "two picks more" in case you do something with a package of your own picks, which is not unreasonable. I guess this opens a little room for abuse if I package my 1, 6, and 7, for a 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5, but I'm not sure it's indefensible to do that, especially if you've got the #1 choice. Given our small group, we can probably rely on the honor system to do trades that aren't completely infeasible.

Honestly, this probably wouldn't even arise as an issue of concern if we didn't have the #1 pick and its exponential power.

I was quite tempted to trade down ahead of the draft, but I think I'll hold off. If the Chiefs make a trade down I'll consider it, but I might wait until after the draft since I'm not sure how realistic a prior trade down will be. Also, I think I've got my target and I want to see how far he falls.

patteeu
04-21-2013, 05:39 PM
So are you proposing that the draft rules are:

Prior to the draft:

1. You can trade up at face value.
2. You can trade down at face value, but are limited to only two picks more in receipt than you give up.

After the draft:

1. You can trade up, but your picks are at a 15 percent discount.
2. You can trade down, but your picks are at a 35 percent discount and you are limited to only two picks more in receipt than you give up.


I made it "two picks more" in case you do something with a package of your own picks, which is not unreasonable. I guess this opens a little room for abuse if I package my 1, 6, and 7, for a 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5, but I'm not sure it's indefensible to do that, especially if you've got the #1 choice. Given our small group, we can probably rely on the honor system to do trades that aren't completely infeasible.

Honestly, this probably wouldn't even arise as an issue of concern if we didn't have the #1 pick and its exponential power.

I was quite tempted to trade down ahead of the draft, but I think I'll hold off. If the Chiefs make a trade down I'll consider it, but I might wait until after the draft since I'm not sure how realistic a prior trade down will be. Also, I think I've got my target and I want to see how far he falls.

I was actually thinking of 1 pick more than you give up, but I'm flexible and 2 seems more reasonable now that I think about it.

Rain Man
04-21-2013, 06:47 PM
I was actually thinking of 1 pick more than you give up, but I'm flexible and 2 seems more reasonable now that I think about it.

Makes me no difference. If you're fine with it, let's go with two unless wazu feels differently.

There are a lot of players that interest me this year. While I'm glad I don't need linebackers in the short term, I sure hate to pass up on a couple of them out there. But I probably don't have a choice.

chiefscafan
04-22-2013, 06:48 PM
Ok updating as I go I'll have it done tonight and as I said I'll only take chiefs picks from 2012







Trades

Reject Alex Smith trade

Resign Brandon Carr don't get comp third rounder




sign CB Dunta Robinson $15m/3 years
sign S Hasain Abdullah
sign WR Mardy Gilyard
sign DT Marcus Dixon
sign TE Kevin Brock
sign TE Anthony Fasano 4 years
sign QB Chase Daniel 3 years
sign DE Mike DeVito $12.6m/3 years
sign WR Donnie Avery 3 years
sign CB Sean Smith $18m/3 years ($11m guaranteed)
sign OT/OG Geoff Schwartz
sign FB Ryan D'Imperio
sign LB Chad Kilgore
sign LB Frank Zombo
sign OL Tommie Draheim




qb: I unlike the chiefs have a young qb being groomed

rb: same as chiefs

wr: stronger than the chiefs with crabtree and bowe

Te: unfortunately i didn't draft moeaki so i'm weaker

OL: I have youthfull backups but like chiefs need a rt

c: stronger i have matt tenet as the hier apparent to wegman

k and P: same as chieffs

De: more youth than chiefs with selvie added
DT: stronger than chiefs with Cam Thomas
OLB bout the same as chiefs
ILB : stronger with spikes and DJ
Cb: same as chiefs
S: weaker cause no SS kendrick lewis

overall stronger than the chiefs in certain areas draft needs in no order TE, RT, qb, RB WR unlike the chiefs i'm good at DT.


2009 draft

#3- Michael Crabtree - WR Texas Tech (49ers)
#67- Jaron Gilbert - DE San Jose ST (Bears)
#102- Brandon Williams - OLB/DE. Texas Tech (cowboys)
#139- Cornellius Ingram- TE Florida (eagles)
#175- A. Gardner- OT Georgia Tech (dolphins)
#212- AQ Shipley- OC. Penn State (steelers)
#237- Darry Beckwith- ILB LSU. (chargers)
#256- Ryan Succop- PK. South Carolina. (chiefs)

2010 draft

1st: Eric Berry S Tennessee
2nd: Javier Arenas CB Alabama
2nd: Brandon Spikes ILB Florida
3rd: Jon Asamoah OG Illinois
4th: Kam Chancelor FS Virginia Tech
5th: CAm Thomas NT North Carolina
5th: John Skelton QB Fordham
5th: Matt Tenet OC Boston College
6th: George Selvie OLB South Florida


2011 Draft

1. Mark Ingram rb alabama
2. Dontay. Moch. OLB. Nevada
3. Leonard Hankerson WR. Miami
3. Allen. Bailey. DE. Miami
4. Owen Marecic. FB. Stanford
5. Ricky Stanzi. QB. Iowa
5. Ahmad. Black. S. Florida
6. Jerrel Powe NT Mississippi
7. Lee Ziemba. OT. Auburn

2012 Draft:

1. DT Dontari Powe Memphis
2. OL Jeff Allen Illinois
3. OT Donald Stephenson Oklahoma
4. WR Devon Wiley Fresno State
5. DB Dequan Menzie Alabama
6. RB Cyrus Gray Texas A & M
7. DE Jerome Long San Diego State
7. WR Junior Hemingway Michigan



ok done some thinking

traded Tank Tyler midseason, traded thigpen when we did never traded for the two bumbs in Miami.

so with that 1st, 2 2nds, 3rd, 4th, 3 5ths, and a 6th





QB
7 Cassel, Matt QB 15 starts
15 skelton, john qb 1 start
12 Ricky Stanzi

HB
25 Charles, Jamaal - 6 starts
28 Mark Ingram -
42 Cyrus Gray


FB
44 Owen Maric



WR
82 Bowe, Dwayne - 16 starts
15 Michael Crabtree -15 starts
87 Leonard Hankerson
88 Junior Hemmingway
17 Devon Wiley


TE
49 leonard pope - 6 starts
81 Kevin Boss
? Scrub


T

76 Albert, Branden - 15 starts
75 Eric Winston
79 Donald Stephenson
74 Lee Ziemba


G

74 Smith, Wade G 16 starts
73 Asomah, john - 1 start
72 Jeff Allen

C
62 wegman casey - 16 starts
61 matt tenet

K
6 Ryan Succop K South Carolina- 16 starts

P
2 Colquitt, Dustin P - 16 starts

LS

43 Thomas Gafford


FS

37 Kam Chancelor
21 arenas - 1 start
38 Neiko Thorpe

SS

29 berry, eric - 16 starts
Ahmad Black
31 Tyson Hrtman



CB

24 Flowers, Brandon 15 starts
39 Carr, Brandon - 16 starts
21 arenas, javier - 1 start


OLB

91 Hali, Tamba - 16 starts
51 Brandon Spikes
96 Studebaker, Andy
52 Brandon Williams
99 Edgar Jones


ILB

56 Johnson, Derrick - 16 starts
51 spikes, brandon - 8 starts
59 Belcher, Jovan - 8 starts
95 greenwood, correy

DE

97 Allen Bailey
72 Dorsey, Glenn - 16 starts
94 gillberry, wallace -2 starts
90 Smith, Shaun - 10 starts
78 Ropati Pitoitua

DT

93 Jerrell Powe
92 Dontari Poe
93 Thomas, CAm



IR

49 Dequan Menzie
52 Dontay Moch

Rain Man
04-22-2013, 07:05 PM
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2011 draft picks

1. Mark Ingram rb alabama
2. Dontay. Moch. OLB. Nevada
3. Leonard Hankerson WR. Miami
3. Allen. Bailey. DE. Miami
4. Owen Marecic. FB. Stanford
5. Ricky Stanzi. QB. Iowa
5. Ahmad. Black. S. Florida
6. Jerrel Powe NT Mississippi
7. Lee Ziemba. OT. Auburn

Cool. Was that the first year you drafted? If so, you can catch up by building a roster from the following:

Current Chiefs roster (recall that Dorsey is gone)
You can keep any Chiefs player cut in the offseason (e.g., Winston)
Subtract any Chief drafted in 2011

Hmm, I think that's it.

chiefscafan
04-22-2013, 09:12 PM
Ok ready for the draft now

made some good picks over the years and some bad ones

trutfully there is no way I would have made these picks last year that is one bad draft


Ok so i keep carr so no third comp pick but still receive sixth comp


As it stands



However I"m not figuring out starts right now

1st no 1

2nd KC pick traded to SF

3rd Kc pick

4th Kc pick

5th Kc pick

6th Kc pick

6th comp

7th Kc pick

Rain Man
04-25-2013, 12:07 AM
One correction, Chiefscafan. Brandon Carr walked, so you have to drop him. You get the third round comp selection, though.

chiefscafan
04-25-2013, 02:11 PM
I thought we didn't have to cut people chiefs cut or let go

That was the understanding I had so now I can't keep Carr?

chiefscafan
04-25-2013, 02:12 PM
So if Albert is traded I have to accept the trade?

Rain Man
04-25-2013, 03:44 PM
I thought we didn't have to cut people chiefs cut or let go

That was the understanding I had so now I can't keep Carr?


If the player leaves and isn't cut, you lose them. So guys like Carr and Dorsey go and you can't control it. Guys that the Chiefs cut are your option to cut or keep, and guys that the Chiefs trade are your option to accept or reject as long as they're still on your roster.

Going forward, we'll stop losing free agents as long as they weren't Chiefs before the start of the game in 2009. So if Albert leaves, we'll still lose him, but if Eric Berry leaves we can keep him. But we won't get compensatory picks going forward. This will be the last year unless the Chiefs lose a big name that was there prior to 2009.

Rain Man
04-25-2013, 03:46 PM
So if Albert is traded I have to accept the trade?

If he's traded you'll have the power to either accept or reject the trade as long as he's on your roster. Similarly, if the Chiefs trade down in the first you can accept or reject the trade, but you can also trade up or down independently based on the rules of our game.

wazu
04-25-2013, 08:19 PM
Planning out my trade for Geno, and it keeps getting better. My understanding is that based on the chart we are using, the 1.1 pick is worth 3,000, so I just need to subtract 35% of that, and then I can go shopping.

35% = 1050

So That means I have 1950 points that I can go find, and trade 1.1 for, correct?

(Edit: Obviously all being from the same team.)

Rain Man
04-25-2013, 08:37 PM
Planning out my trade for Geno, and it keeps getting better. My understanding is that based on the chart we are using, the 1.1 pick is worth 3,000, so I just need to subtract 35% of that, and then I can go shopping.

35% = 1050

So That means I have 1950 points that I can go find, and trade 1.1 for, correct?

(Edit: Obviously all being from the same team.)

Yep.

I'm doing the same thing, but pondering Star Lotulelei as my guy. I need a tackle.

wazu
04-25-2013, 08:42 PM
Yep.

I'm doing the same thing, but pondering Star Lotulelei as my guy. I need a tackle.

Way things are going I might take Star and Geno.

wazu
04-25-2013, 10:32 PM
One more question - I realize I am only allowed one trade of picks. I assume that means I get to pick one trading partner, and any combination of picks that they/I have as long as it fits with the chart. Do those picks have to be picks that are owned prior to the first pick that would have been selected? I'm assuming so. Reason I ask is I was considering trade with Vikings, but then they traded some picks and moved up. Do I trade with their "new" reality? Or the one that they began the day with?

Rain Man
04-25-2013, 11:16 PM
One more question - I realize I am only allowed one trade of picks. I assume that means I get to pick one trading partner, and any combination of picks that they/I have as long as it fits with the chart. Do those picks have to be picks that are owned prior to the first pick that would have been selected? I'm assuming so. Reason I ask is I was considering trade with Vikings, but then they traded some picks and moved up. Do I trade with their "new" reality? Or the one that they began the day with?

I was pondering that, too. I guess the most realistic thing would be to say that the trades cannot include real-life draft day trades. They have to be picks that were owned prior to the first pick.

I'm pretty sure that I'm going to trade down to the Jets. That works out almost perfectly for me. I'll move down from #1 to #13, most likely picking up Star Lotolelei, and then I'll pick up an early 2nd round and mid 3rd round pick. I'm not sure that's what I'm doing yet, but it's my initial inkling.

Rain Man
04-29-2013, 05:04 PM
As we head into the draft, my team's needs are pretty clear. The defensive line needs major help, and we have a couple of other holes that may have stopgap solutions for the time being.

High priority

Starting DT/NT
Starting OT, likely a RT if we can keep Albert. Depends on what happens with Winston.
Starting DE
Another starting DT if we go 4-3
Starting FS
Backup QB

Moderate priority

Another starting DE
Future TE if this is Tony G's last season

Low priority
Backup C
3rd string QB
Backup OT
Backup OLB
Upgrade/backup at ILB, but only if we stay at 3-4

chiefscafan
04-30-2013, 05:48 AM
Ok I'm confused if I do the jets trade what exactly do I get back? The two firsts and a second or more cause I'll do that trade , but who would the jets take?

Rain Man
04-30-2013, 11:33 AM
Ok I'm confused if I do the jets trade what exactly do I get back? The two firsts and a second or more cause I'll do that trade , but who would the jets take?

I'm most likely going to do a Jets trade as well, so here's how the process goes.

The Jets have the following picks, and they get full value for them. The pick is shown below, along with the point value:

1-9 1350
1-13 1150
2-39 510
3-72 230
5-141 35.5
6-178 21.2
7-215 6.4

The Chiefs hold the following picks. In any trade up scenario, these picks are valued at .65 of their face value. So I show their picks below, along with the trade value and their face value. Recall that, per NFL rules, teams cannot trade their compensatory picks, which for the Chiefs are the 3-96 and 6-204 picks.

1-1 1950 3000
2-34 364 560
3-63 179.4 276
3-96 0 (Cannot be traded)
4-99 67.6 104
5-134 25.4 39
6-170 15.9 24.4
6-204 0 (Cannot be traded)
7-207 6.2 9.6


You can then make any trades as long as the value of your discounted picks is more than the value that you gain, and you cannot acquire more than two picks beyond what you give up.

So some reasonable scenarios might be:


Trade your 1-1 pick (1,950 points) and 3-63 pick (179.4 points) for the Jets' 1-9 pick (1,350 points), 2-39 (510 points), 3-72 (230 points) and 5-141 picks (35.5 points). You give up 2,129.4 points and 2 picks, and you get back 2,125.5 points and 4 picks. Winner.

Trade your 1-1 pick (1,950 points), 6-170 (15.9 points and 7-207 (6.2 points) for the Jets' 1-13 pick (1,150 points), 2-39 pick (510 points), 3-72 pick (230 points), and 5-141 (35.5 points), and 6-178 picks (21.2 points). You give up 1,972.1 points and 3 picks, and you get back 1,946.2 points and 5 picks. Winner.

Trade your 1-1 pick (1,950 points), 2-34 pick (364 points), 3-65 pick (172 points), and 6-170 pick (15.9 points), for the Jets 1-9 pick (1,350 points), 1-13 pick (1,150 points), and 7-215 pick (6.4 points). You give up 2,509.3 points and 4 picks, and you get back 2,506.4 points and 3 picks. Winner.

Since the Jets are a good potential trade partner, I've included an Excel-based calculator to figure out potential trades with them.

chiefscafan
04-30-2013, 12:17 PM
Ok I'm taking this scenario

Trade your 1-1 pick (1,950 points), 6-170 (15.9 points and 7-207 (6.2 points) for the Jets' 1-13 pick (1,150 points), 2-39 pick (510 points), 3-72 pick (230 points), and 5-141 (35.5 points), and 6-178 picks (21.2 points). You give up 1,972.1 points and 3 picks, and you get back 1,946.2 points and 5 picks. Winner.

NFL Draft 2013:


1-13: OLB Jarvis Jones Georgia

2-39: QB Geno Smith WVU

3-63: TE Travis Kelcie Cincinnati

3-72: WR Stedman Bailey WVU

3-96: OC Brian Schwenkie California

4-99: OG/OT Barrett Jones Alabama

5-134: DT Jessie Williams Alabama

5-141: ILB AJ Klien Iowa State

6-178: DE Joe Kruger Utah

6-204: DE/OLB Mike Capatano Princeton

Rain Man
04-30-2013, 12:28 PM
Ok I'm taking this scenario

Trade your 1-1 pick (1,950 points), 6-170 (15.9 points and 7-207 (6.2 points) for the Jets' 1-13 pick (1,150 points), 2-39 pick (510 points), 3-72 pick (230 points), and 5-141 (35.5 points), and 6-178 picks (21.2 points). You give up 1,972.1 points and 3 picks, and you get back 1,946.2 points and 5 picks. Winner.

1-13:

2-39:

3-63:

3-72:

3-96:

4-99:

5-134:

5-141:

6-178:

6-204:

I'm pretty sure I'm taking that one, too. It works out very well for some guys I'm targeting.

Rain Man
05-08-2013, 01:18 AM
Actually, in that Jets trade scenario you can keep your 6th round pick and give up their 6th round pick and be slightly better off. Just remove the 6th rounders from the trade.

Rain Man
05-08-2013, 01:23 AM
After considerable gnashing of teeth, I have my draft. I'll unveil it after sleeping on it.

This year was really, really hard. There were only a few no-brainers for me, and several agonizingly hard decisions.

I will begin by stating that we reject the Alex Smith trade, thus keeping our 2nd round pick.

We will also trade our 1-1 pick to the Jets, along with our 7-207, and we will receiver the Jets' 1-13, 2-39, 3-72, and 5-141 picks in return. In this scenario, we acquire 1,925.5 points and four picks, and we give up 1,956.2 points and two picks.

We therefore enter the draft with 11 selections.

1-13
2-34
2-39
3-63
3-72
3-96
4-99
5-134
5-141
6-170
6-204

Rain Man
05-08-2013, 07:44 PM
Okay, here goes. My team's 2013 draft.

Note the post below, in which we traded our 1-1 pick and our 7-207 pick for the Jets' 1-13, 2-39, 3-72, and 5-141 picks. While I needed an OT, it was a no-brainer to trade down and pick up so many high picks even at a massive discount.

We also decline the Alex Smith trade and thus keep our 2-34 pick as well. This leaves us with 11 picks.

And here we go...

Round 1, Pick 13 - Star Lotulelei, DT (Panthers)

We desperately need multiple DTs, and I liked Star because he can apparently play 3-4 NT, 3-4 DE, or 4-3 DT. The only other player I considered was Jarvis Jones, but while I like him we don't have a need at OLB and we had a desperate need at DT. He will immediately move to the top of the depth chart as a starter at either 4-3 DT or 3-4 DE.

Round 2, Pick 34 - Geno Smith, QB (Jets)

This was a much harder pick than one would guess. For much of my consideration Geno was not my guy, and I was figuring I would take DT Jonathan Hankins with this pick to continue beefing up my line. But in the end I couldn't pass up a likely starting QB with only a second-round pick. Geno will back up Russell Wilson as my likely second-string QB and insurance policy.

Round 2, Pick 39 - Menelik Watson, OT (Raiders)

I struggled with this pick. Hankins was still available and highly attractive, and I really wanted him. He was my second choice yet again. I also strongly considered DT Kawann Short and TE Gavin Escobar, and flirted with ILB Kevin Minter, DE Margus Hunt, and even DE Tank Carradine. But in the end, this whole Eric Winston thing screwed me over. I only have Branden Albert, Winston, and Carolina backup Bruce Campbell as holdovers, and I need someone who can step in and start at RT. If I didn't take Watson, my only other option was Terron Armstead in the third, and I decided that Watson was a better risk

Round 3, Pick 63 - Travis Kelce, TE (Chiefs)

This was purely a need pick. I think my fullbacks are headed out of the league, and my starting TE, Tony Gonzalez, is likely in his last year. I considered Escobar as a long-term replacement, but landed on Kelce because I can play him as an H-back type this year, and either leave him in that position long term or move him to TE when Tony retires. I'm not thrilled about this pick because I really wanted and needed DE Demontre Moore here, but Kelce was the only strong candidate who could fill my roster hole. He'll likely move into the starting lineup as an H-back.

Round 3, Pick 72 - Brandon Williams, DT (Ravens)

This is my year to fix the defensive line. I was very torn between Williams and DT John Jenkins, who seemed to be ranked a little higher. I went with Williams because he's a little more versatile (4-3 DT and 3-4 NT as opposed to purely a NT) and because he has a history of generating a pass rush inside. I really hated passing on Jenkins and it killed me to watch Demontre Moore go off the board. But I need versatile DTs. I also strongly considered WR Keenan Allen as a BPA move, but receiver isn't an area of great need. OT Terron Armstead got a long look too, as I pondered whether to take him or Watson (Round 2) or both. In the end, though, I have to fix my DT spot since my incumbents were Alex Carrington (fine backup), Anthony Toribio (backup), and Ron Edwards (retiring, I think). Brandon will likely move into the starting lineup as either my NT in a 3-4 or as a 4-3 DT.

Round 3, Pick 96 - Tyler Wilson, QB (Raiders)

Controversial pick here. If I was going to take a developmental quarterback, Matt Barkley was still available. But in the end I like Tyler Wilson's prospects more, and he can sit at third string behind Russell Wilson and Geno Smith and get some seasoning.

There were a bunch of players I really liked here, including DT Akeem Spence, DE Alex Okafor, WR/PR Ace Sanders, WR Quentin Patton, RB Marcus Lattimore, LB Jelani Jenkins, C Barrett Jones, FS Phillip Thomas, and C Brian Schwenke. I need a backup C, a returner, a backup RB, and a starting FS, so these guys were hard to pass up. But in the end, it's all about the quarterback and I need insurance there. I can get by in these other areas in the short term.

Round 4, Pick 99 - Denard Robinson, RB/KR (Jaguars)

All of the guys in the previous paragraph were still available for this pick, and I liked a lot of them. My initial thought was Spence or maybe Okafor, and I also took a long look at Schwenke. But when I started analyzing my roster, I realized that I really needed a returner. Ace Sanders rose to my top, but he's a receiver and I have depth there. I kept looking to see if I could find a RB who could be a returner. While Lattimore was very intriguing as a long-term play at RB, he didn't solve my return problem.

Then I found Denard Robinson down further. During the draft, one of the talking heads was the coach of Notre Dame, and he made some comments about Robinson being the most dynamic playmaker he had faced this year. The Jags are apparently going to make him a RB and returner, so I'm taking him as a high-risk, high-reward candidate. He'll be a third-stringer behind Jamaal Charles and C.J. Spiller, but will contribute as a returner and potential gadget. My backfield is built on speed, baby!

Round 5, Pick 134 - Jesse Williams, DT (Seahawks)

This was a no-brainer. I need DTs, and this guy slipped way further than I thought. Apparently there's some long-term concern about his knee, but screw that. Perfect value pick that fills a need. Never even really considered anyone else other than a look at RB Stepfan Taylor. Williams will battle for a starting DT or NT job.

Round 5, Pick 141 - A.J. Klein, ILB (Panthers)

I probably should have taken DE Quanterus Smith or DE Lavar Edwards here and looked really hard at Smith, but I have no depth at ILB and I liked Klein as a prospect. If we go 3-4 he'll fight Rey Maualuga for a starting job alongside Derrick Johnson, or if we go 4-3 he'll fight for a backup job. I also briefly considered WR Tavarres King and G/T Oday Aboushi, but didn't feel that they offered an upgrade over my current roster.

Round 6, Pick 170 - Bacarri Rambo, FS (Redskins)

One area of need that I haven't addressed so far is FS, where my current starter is Kendrick Lewis. I need to upgrade, but couldn't justify a high pick on the position given other needs. Rambo is a character risk with talent, so I figure he has a fighting chance to unseat Lewis as my starter or at least be a backup.

I also strongly considered OT David Quessenberry, RB Kenjon Barner, and TE Nick Kasa at this spot, particularly Quessenberry.

Round 6, Pick 204 - Jordan Poyer, CB (Eagles)

I wasn't sure what to do with this spot, and CB isn't a strong area of need. I looked at Poyer, who seemed like a really good value pick, and was also very interested in ILB Mike Mauti, DE Armonty Bryant, and FBs Braden Wilson and Tommy Bohannan. The latter two were of interest more to divert the third round pick from Kelce to Demontre Moore. Undrafted FAs WR Da'Rick Rogers and ILB Kevin Reddick also interested me. But in the end I already had Klein at ILB, and it's hard to predict if fullbacks will even make the final cuts. I went with Poyer as a safe, talent-adding pick, even if CB isn't a real need.


When all was said and done, the two guys I really lament passing on are DE Demontre Moore and DT Jonathan Hankins. They could have really helped. I also think that WR Keenan Allen and WR Quentin Patton could be steals, but I just had too many other fires to put out and have a good pair of starting WRs already.

Rain Man
05-08-2013, 08:17 PM
I still need to add some training camp fodder, but right now my depth chart looks like this (rookies in red):

QB
Russell Wilson (Seahawks)
Geno Smith (Jets)
Tyler Wilson (Raiders)
Mark Sanchez (Jets)
QB Chase Daniel 3 years
Jimmy Clausen (Panthers)*

Wilson is certainly a pro bowl find at QB, and I hope he maintains his performance. I have a couple of developmental prospects behind him, most likely. We'll see if Sanchez and Daniel can compete for a spot.

HB
Jamaal Charles*
C.J. Spiller. (Bills)*
Denard Robinson (Jaguars)
Shaun Draughn
Nate Eachus

High quality here with two star pro bowl running backs, and Robinson will handle my return duties. Draughn and Eachus will battle for a roster spot.

FB/H-Back
Travis Kelce (Chiefs)
FB Ryan D'Imperio
Peyton Hillis

Most likely Kelce, but if D'Imperio makes a good showing I could move Kelce back to TE.

WR
Dwayne Bowe*
Kendall Wright (Titans)
WR Donnie Avery 3 years
Leonard Hankerson (Redskins)
WR Mardy Gilyard
Greg Salas (Rams)
Steve Breaston - WR

I like my starters in Bowe and Wright, and Avery will fit right into the slot. Hankerson is a good fourth receiver and we'll have a battle at the bottom for a roster spot.

TE
Tony Gonzalez (Falcons)
Anthony Fasano
Kevin Brock
Kevin Boss
Steve Maneri

Obviously strong here with a pro bowler starting, though I need a succession plan. Kelce is most likely that plan, and Fasano will be a good backup. I like what's happening here.

OT
Branden Albert*
Menelik Watson (Raiders)
Bruce Campbell (Raiders/Panthers)*
Eric Winston - RT
OL Tommie Draheim

Depending on what happens with Winston, I'm thin here. I'll be starting a rookie and my backup isn't exactly proven, though I can also slide Scwartz out. Albert is a rock, though. This may be the weak link of my offense.

G
Wade Smith*
Alex Boone (49ers)*
Jason Pinkston (Browns)
Geoff Schwartz
Lilja, Ryan
Brian Waters*

Good talent and depth. Wade was a pro bowler last year. No problems at all here.

C
Rodney Hudson (Chiefs)

I hope he develops. Worst case, if he doesn't or if he gets hurt I can move Wade Smith easily into this position. He and Watson will be the two starters to watch.

K
Alex Henery (Eagles)

Perfectly fine.

P
Dustin Colquitt*

Pro bowler.

FS
Kendrick Lewis*
Baccari Rambo (Redskins)
Charles Mitchell (Falcons)
S Hasain Abdullah
Travis Daniels*

I really wanted to upgrade this position with a strong starter, but couldn't justify it. Rambo may challenge a bit, but otherwise Kendrick will last until I can upgrade.

SS
Reshad Jones (Dolphins)*
Abram Elam
Tysyn Hartman - DB

I'm very strong here as Jones is a rising star. Depth? Meh.

CB
Brandon Flowers*
Alphonso Dennard (Patriots)
CB Sean Smith
D.J. Moore (Bears)*
Jordan Poyer (Eagles)
CB Dunta Robinson
Stanford Routt

I really like this position even though it's not star-studded. Flowers will lock down one side, and then I'm going to have a battle royale between the rest of them to get the other starting job and the nickel and dime slots.

OLB
Tamba Hali*
Zach Brown (Titans)
LB Frank Zombo
Chris Carter (Steelers)
Dekoda Watson (Buccaneers)*
Andy Studebaker*
LB Chad Kilgore

I wasn't sure what to do with this unit. Hali is a strong starter and Zach Brown had a great rookie season. It's pretty journeyman behind them, but I think it's reasonable.

ILB
Derrick Johnson*
Rey Maualuga (Bengals)*
AJ Klein (Panthers)
Brandon Siler - ILB

I like Klein as a backup and my starters are strong. I wouldn't mind if Klein challenged Maualuga for a starting job if we go 3-4.

DE
DE Mike DeVito
Da'Quan Bowers (Buccaneers)
Ropati Pitoitua
Ronnell Lewis (Lions)
Jonathan Massaquoi (Falcons)

I desperately wanted to upgrade this unit, but it didn't work out. If we go 3-4 I'll put Devito out there along with Star Lotulelei. If we go 4-3, my hope is that Bowers is up to a starting job. I've been patient with him and I need him to deliver on his pass rush potential. I have depth here even if it's not wow.


NT
Star Lotulelei (Panthers)
Brandon Williams (Ravens)
Jesse Williams (Seahawks)
Alex Carrington (Bills)*
Anthony Toribio
DT Marcus Dixon
Ron Edwards*

This was obviously an area of emphasis, and my goal was to get guys who could run in a 4-3 or 3-4. All of my rookies can be a DT in the 3-4 or the 4-3, and I can move Star out to DE in a 3-4. We'll see how training camp goes. My hope is that this influx of talented rookies will solve my DT problem.


Overall, it's coming together well. I have pro bowlers on offense at QB, HB, HB, TE, and LG, and no gaping holes despite a little concern at C and RT. My P is a pro bowler and my K is good.

And my defense, which really needed some help, got an infusion of talent, particularly on the line. If Bowers looks promising at DE I may go 4-3, or if not, I'll go 3-4 with Star out at DE. I could be stronger at DE and FS, and I'm relying on rookies to deliver at NT, but I feel pretty good about my LBs, CBs, and SS. I have two pro bowlers on defense in Derrick Johnson and Tamba Hali.

Only two NFL teams put more pro bowlers on the field last year, and I'm infusing a lot of talent. I like where this season is headed.

chiefscafan
05-09-2013, 02:38 AM
For got to add my chief second rounder


I'll do it tomorrow

chiefscafan
05-09-2013, 02:42 AM
Ok CB/S Dave Amerson NC State

Rain Man
05-09-2013, 10:22 AM
NFL Draft 2013:


1-13: OLB Jarvis Jones Georgia

2-34: CB Dave Amerson

2-39: QB Geno Smith WVU

3-63: TE Travis Kelcie Cincinnati

3-72: WR Stedman Bailey WVU

3-96: OC Brian Schwenkie California

4-99: OG/OT Barrett Jones Alabama

5-134: DT Jessie Williams Alabama

5-141: ILB AJ Klien Iowa State

6-178: DE Joe Kruger Utah

6-204: DE/OLB Mike Capatano Princeton

I hadn't noticed that you made your picks. It's interesting that most of the same players rose to the top of the list for both of us, especially in the 5th round. But even above that, most of the guys you picked were guys I was considering as well.

wazu
05-16-2013, 03:53 PM
The Fresno Refugees accepted the Alex Smith trade very begrudgingly. I can't stand the trade for the actual real Chiefs, but the reality was that going into this draft, I could not anticipate what situation any of the rookie QBs would be drafted into on their real life teams. So the only way to have near-certainty that my team would have a QB who is actually starting in the NFL was to accept a trade for a QB who I am not excited about. That won't stop me from continuing to swing and miss at this position until our franchise QB is found.

In addition to the Alex Smith trade, we are trading our 1-1 pick to the Cardinals, along with our 4-99 and 7-207, and receiving the Cardinals' 1-7 and 2-38 picks in return.

The Fresno Refugees 2013 Draft Class:

1-7: Tavon Austin, WR (Rams)
2-38: Geno Smith, QB (Jets)
3-63: Travis Kelce, TE (Chiefs)
3-96: Tyler Wilson, QB (Raiders)
5-134: Jesse Williams, DT (Seahawks)
6-170: John Boyett, S (Colts)
6-204: Jordan Poyer, CB (Eagles)

To answer all of your questions - YES, Rainman stole most of my picks by pre-emptively reading my mind and posting before I could. Seriously, though, first four were no-brainers for me given how much I liked those two QBs. I just don't believe the negativity about this quarterback class and am insisting that I be proven wrong the hard way. Was also glad to see the Chiefs take a TE I like. Was not sure he was my favorite, but seemed like a good time to go with the flow.

Williams and Poyer at first seemed like fantastic coincidences that we both drafted, but then again those are two players who fell pretty far from where they were projected, so not surprising that they caught the attention of multiple armchair GMs who have limited visibility to the other players taken in late rounds. I did not see them on Rainman's list prior to selecting.

Rain Man
05-16-2013, 05:37 PM
So three of us have independently selected Jesse Williams in the fifth round. How fascinating. I wonder what NFL teams were reluctant about relative to what we know.

The three drafters so far have an uncanny amount of overlap. Frankly, I drafted Kelce begrudgingly for need more than anything, so others see more than I do, and I was also hesitant about Geno but decided he was worth the risk. It'll be interesting to see how these guys turn out.

wazu
05-17-2013, 11:02 PM
So three of us have independently selected Jesse Williams in the fifth round. How fascinating. I wonder what NFL teams were reluctant about relative to what we know.

The three drafters so far have an uncanny amount of overlap. Frankly, I drafted Kelce begrudgingly for need more than anything, so others see more than I do, and I was also hesitant about Geno but decided he was worth the risk. It'll be interesting to see how these guys turn out.

I was influenced pretty heavily by Mayock's ratings on NFL.com. When scrolling through picks fifth round and farther, Williams stood out as being pretty much without peer, which led me to investigate further and figure it was a pretty good value.

I drafted Geno on general principle. I would have spent first overall. In fact even today I'd happily trade Fisher to the Jets for Geno straight-up. All of the criticism was cause for some pause, but bottom line is he was clearly the best QB in the draft, and our team desperately needs a franchise QB. Gotta roll the dice. Without a top QB everything else we do is just window dressing.

With Kelce, I wasn't a fan when I first saw the pick, but it grew on me after I learned more. I've been struggling at that spot ever since agreeing to the disastrous Tony Gonzalez trade. The fact that he is in a good situation and was drafted by the Chiefs made it an easy decision.

patteeu
05-19-2013, 12:10 PM
I'll get to this soon. I swear I'm not just waiting so I can copy off of the three of you.

Rain Man
05-19-2013, 05:16 PM
I'll get to this soon. I swear I'm not just waiting so I can copy off of the three of you.

If you sign Jesse Williams and Geno Smith, we'll know that you're either copying or you're doing due diligence.

patteeu
08-04-2013, 04:11 PM
I will begin by stating that we reject the Alex Smith trade, thus keeping our 2nd round pick.

We will also trade our 1-1 pick to the Jets, along with our 7-207, and we will receiver the Jets' 1-13, 2-39, 3-72, and 5-141 picks in return. In this scenario, we acquire 1,925.5 points and four picks, and we give up 1,956.2 points and two picks.

As I said before, I accepted the trade for Alex Smith, but that Jets trade is too good to pass up so I'm doing the same thing.

Here are my picks, sorry it's so late:

1.13 (13) - Sheldon Richardson DT (Jets)
2.07 (39) - Cornellius Carradine DE (49ers)
3.01 (63) - Terrance Williams WR (Cowboys)
3.10 (72) - Terron Armstead OT (Saints)
3.34 (96) - Knile Davis RB
4.02 (99) - Josh Boyce WR (Patriots)
5.01 (134) - Sanders Commings CB
5.08 (141) - Oday Aboushi OT (Jets)
6.02 (170) - Ryan Swope WR (retired)
6.36 (204) - Vince Williams LB (Steelers)

I know Ryan Swope is retired, but I was high on him so I would have taken him if I'd done this right after the draft.

I'm also adding these guys to my roster:

Chase Daniel QB
Tyler Bray QB
Ryan D'Imperio FB
Donnie Avery WR
Anthony Fasano TE
Demetrius Harris TE
Marcus Dixon DE
Mike DeVito DE
Frank Zombo LB
Akeem Jordan LB
Edgar Jones LB

And cutting:

Eric Winston
Kevin Boss
Steve Breaston
Matt Cassel
Brady Quinn
Ricky Stanzi
Nate Eachus
Peyton Hillis
Ryan Lilja
Abram Elam
Stanford Routt

Rain Man
08-04-2013, 09:06 PM
Armstead and Aboushi were two guys I was giving a long look at, and I finally went with Menelik Watson in the second. It'll be interesting to see if Armstead or Watson ends up being the keeper.

patteeu
08-05-2013, 03:16 PM
Armstead and Aboushi were two guys I was giving a long look at, and I finally went with Menelik Watson in the second. It'll be interesting to see if Armstead or Watson ends up being the keeper.

Yeah, Menelik Watson was my first thought for OT help, but I didn't like the fact that he was drafted by the Raiders. It's a new front office and coaching staff so it's probably unfair, but I couldn't get over (my perception of) their history of difficulty drafting and developing offensive linemen. And I needed defensive line help so I went that direction instead.

patteeu
08-05-2013, 03:18 PM
So here's a thought. How hard would it be to use the Sandbox Simulations engine to rate our final 53 man rosters?

Rain Man
08-05-2013, 03:33 PM
So here's a thought. How hard would it be to use the Sandbox Simulations engine to rate our final 53 man rosters?

Hmm, now that's an interesting thought. And then we could throw the current Chiefs roster in there as a baseline.

I suspect it might be a fair amount of work right now, but when we crank up another league I might be able to talk cdcox into it.

wazu
09-04-2013, 10:11 PM
Oh wait - do we have to cutdown to 53 tonight?

Rain Man
09-04-2013, 10:21 PM
Oh wait - do we have to cutdown to 53 tonight?

Edit: Delete my previous response. I was thinking this was Sandbox.


Yes! Good point!

wazu
09-04-2013, 10:49 PM
My roster (I'm running short, doing a poor job):

QB
Alex Smith
Brock Osweiler (Broncos)
Geno Smith (Jets)
Tyler Bray
Tyler Wilson (Raiders)
Chase Daniel
Mark Sanchez (Jets)

RB
Jamaal Charles
Anthony Sherman

WR
Dwayne Bowe
Donnie Avery
Tavon Austin (Rams)
Rishard Matthews (Dolphins)
AJ Jenkins

TE
Travis Kelce
Anthony Fasano
Chase Coffman (Falcons)

OT
Branden Albert
Eric Winston
Donald Stephenson

G
Jon Asamoah
Geoff Schwartz
David DeCastro (Steelers)

C
Rodney Hudson

K
Ryan Succop

P
Dustin Colquitt

S
Eric Berry
Geroge Iloka (Bengals)
Hasain Abdullah
Quintin Demps

CB
Brandon Flowers
Sean Smith
Dunta Robinson
Jordan Poyer (Eagles)

OLB
Tamba Hali
Justin Houston
Ricky Sapp (Jets)

ILB
Derrick Johnson
Vontaze Burflict (Bengals)
Frank Zombo

DE
Allen Bailey
Mike DeVito

NT
Terrence Cody (Ravens)
Cam Thomas (Chargers)
Alameda Ta'amu (Cardinals)
Jesse Williams (Seahawks) - IR

Rain Man
09-05-2013, 12:07 AM
My 53-man roster. Cuts are shown below.

QB
Russell Wilson (Seahawks)
Geno Smith (Jets)
Tyler Bray
Tyler Wilson (Raiders)

I was hoping to see more out of the rookies, but they have time to develop behind my sophomore phenom. We're young here, but with potential.

HB
Jamaal Charles
C.J. Spiller. (Bills)
Denard Robinson (Jaguars)

We'll see how Robinson develops, but I'm incredibly strong here.

FB/H-Back
Travis Kelce (Chiefs)

It may have been a mistake to not draft a fullback. Let's see what you can do, Travis.

WR
Dwayne Bowe
Kendall Wright (Titans)
WR Donnie Avery
Leonard Hankerson (Redskins)

I like my starters in Bowe and Wright, and Avery will fit right into the slot. Hankerson is a good fourth receiver but it would be nice to have a fifth receiver.

TE
Tony Gonzalez (Falcons)
Anthony Fasano
Kevin Brock

Lots of depth here. Maybe Tony can split out wide sometimes.

OT
Branden Albert
Eric Winston
Menelik Watson (Raiders)
Geoff Schwartz

We're okay here since Winston is starting. And Watson may be an up and comer at the position.

G
Wade Smith
Alex Boone (49ers)
Brian Waters
Jason Pinkston (Browns)

Good talent and depth. Wade was a pro bowler last year. No problems at all here. And my patience with Brian Waters has paid off, oddly.

C
Rodney Hudson (Chiefs)

I hope he develops. Worst case, if he doesn't or if he gets hurt I can move Wade Smith easily into this position.

K
Alex Henery (Eagles)

Perfectly fine.

P
Dustin Colquitt

Pro bowler.

FS
Baccari Rambo (Redskins)
Kendrick Lewis

Wow! I got a new starter to replace Kendrick Lewis, and I got him cheap!

SS
Reshad Jones (Dolphins)
Quinton Demps

I'm very strong here as Jones is a rising star. Depth? Demps will do.

CB
Brandon Flowers
Alphonso Dennard (Patriots)
CB Sean Smith
CB Dunta Robinson
D.J. Moore (Bears)
Jordan Poyer (Eagles)

We're strong here, and I'm pleased with my drafting.

OLB
Tamba Hali
Zach Brown (Titans)
Dekoda Watson (Buccaneers)
LB Frank Zombo
Chris Carter (Steelers)


This unit is coming together. Hali and Brown are strong starters, and Watson is now a starter. Plus Zombo and Carter are solid backups.

ILB
Derrick Johnson
Rey Maualuga (Bengals)
AJ Klein (Panthers)


I like Klein as a backup and my starters are strong.

DE
DE Mike DeVito
DE Alex Carrington (Bills)
Da'Quan Bowers (Buccaneers)
Ropati Pitoitua
Jonathan Massaquoi (Falcons)

We're going 3-4 this year with DeVito and Carrington as decent starters. My depth is pretty weak.

NT
Star Lotulelei (Panthers)
Brandon Williams (Ravens)
Jesse Williams (Seahawks)
Anthony Toribio

Lots of rookies. Moving Star into a starting role.

Overall, I think we're pretty strong. Our strengths are the offensive backfield and LBs, and I've managed to put together a good defensive backfield with a small investment. However, the offense is the focus of the team right now with a fair amount of speed, youth, and firepower.

Our weaknesses are the defensive line, which is pretty unproven and thin despite numerous high draft pick investments, and our OL is okay but no great shakes. I'm hoping that my three rookie defensive linemen will make a fast transition to the pros.


Hard Cuts:

FS Hasain Abdullah
TE Steve Maneri
OT Tommie Draheim
OLB Dezmon Moses


Easy Cuts:

QB Mark Sanchez (Jets)
QB Chase Daniel 3 years
QB Jimmy Clausen (Panthers)
HB Shaun Draughn
HB Nate Eachus
FB Ryan D'Imperio
FB Peyton Hillis
WR Mardy Gilyard
WR Greg Salas (Rams)
WR Steve Breaston
TE Kevin Boss
RT Bruce Campbell (Raiders/Panthers)
LG Lilja, Ryan
FS Charles Mitchell (Falcons)
FS Travis Daniels
SS Abram Elam
SS Tysyn Hartman
CB Stanford Routt
OLB Andy Studebaker
OLB Chad Kilgore
ILB Brandon Siler
DE Ronnell Lewis (Lions)
DT Marcus Dixon
DT Ron Edwards
WR Chad Hall
TE Sean McGrath
NT Jaye Howard
OLB Josh Martin
ILB James-Michael Johnson
CB Marcus Cooper
CB Ron Parker

Rain Man
09-05-2013, 12:11 AM
As a reminder, you can add to your roster any free agents the Chiefs added during training camp before you cut to 53. Those include:

WR Chad Hall
TE Sean McGrath
NT Jaye Howard
OLB Josh Martin
ILB James-Michael Johnson
CB Marcus Cooper
CB Ron Parker
SS Quinton Demps
QB Tyler Bray

patteeu
09-05-2013, 09:05 PM
I think we need to decide whether we're accepting the trades for Edgar Jones and Jonathan Baldwin. Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm accepting both.

Here is my 53 man roster:

QB
Alex Smith
Chase Daniel
Tyler Bray

* Out with the trash, in with hope.

RB
Jamaal Charles
Bernard Pierce (Ravens)
Cyrus Gray
Knile Davis (R)

* Davis is my only addition here.

FB
Ryan D'Imperio

* Not happy with my FB situation, obviously.

WR
Dwayne Bowe
Donnie Avery
Dexter McCluster
A. J. Jenkins
Terrance Williams (Cowboys #4) (R)
Josh Boyce (New England #4) (R)

* I parted ways with David Reed after he bounced around from the bottom of one depth chart to the bottom of another for a few years. I'm hoping that Williams or Boyce will fare better. I'm not optimistic about Jenkins, but at least he's not Baldwin.

TE
Anthony Fasano
Julius Thomas (Broncos)
Demetrius Harris

* I like the idea of converting a college basketball player to TE. In the meantime, I have a couple of serviceable to good vets.

OT
Branden Albert
Nate Potter (Cardinals)
Terron Armstead (R)
Oday Aboushi (R)

* I sure hope the Chiefs sign Albert long term. If not, chances are good that I'll be revisiting the offensive line in next year's draft, although the rookies might pan out.

G
Jon Asamoah
David DeCastro (Steelers)
Kraig Urbik (Bills)

* I think I'm set at guard.

C
Rodney Hudson

* I'm still optimistic here.

K
Ryan Succop

P
Dustin Colquitt

* No big worries at either kicker position and Colquitt should be set for a while with his new contract.

FS
Kendrick Lewis
Hasain Abdullah
Sanders Comings (R) *IRdtR*

* I'm not sure if Commings is a FS or a SS, but I listed him here.

SS
Eric Berry

* I'm too thin at SS, but at least he's a good one.

CB
Brandon Flowers
Alterraun Verner (Titans)
Johnny Patrick (Saints)
Marcus Cooper
Ron Parker

* I like my CBs a lot.

OLB
Tamba Hali
Justin Houston
Frank Zombo
Cornellius Carradine (49ers) (R) (NFI)
Josh Martin

* I've got solid starters here, and when Carradine comes back from his non-football injury, I'm hopeful that he can be a third pass rushing stud.

ILB
Derrick Johnson
Sean Lee (Cowboys)
James-Michael Johnson
Vince Williams (Steelers) (R)

* This is another strength area. Top notch starters with promising younger backups.

DE
Tyson Jackson
Sheldon Richardson (Jets) (R)
Mike DeVito
Kendall Reyes (Chargers)
Karl Klug (Titans)

* If $Rich pans out, this position group could move from serviceable to a strength area.

NT
Anthony Toribio
Jaye Howard
Alameda Ta'amu (Cardinals)

* I'm pretty weak at NT


Cuts:
Eric Winston
Kevin Boss
Steve Breaston
Matt Cassel
Brady Quinn
Ricky Stanzi
Nate Eachus
Peyton Hillis
Ryan Lilja
Abram Elam
Stanford Routt
Andy Studebaker
Shaun Draughn
Ryan Swope *retired*
Sean McGrath
Steve Manari
David Reed
Matt Tennant
DeQuan Menzie
Justin Cole
Demorrio Williams
Brandon Siler
Eric Bakhtiari
Jerrell Powe
Marcus Dixon
Chad Hall
Quinton Demps
Akeem Jordan
Wallace Gilberry

wazu
09-05-2013, 09:56 PM
Note: I added Bray. Mistake omission.

Rain Man
09-23-2013, 02:07 AM
I think we need to decide whether we're accepting the trades for Edgar Jones and Jonathan Baldwin. Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm accepting both.




Good point, assuming you have them. I didn't draft Baldwin, and cut Jones a while back, so no decisions for me.

Rain Man
10-08-2013, 11:39 AM
I wish I hadn't cut Marcus Cooper, Sean McGrath, and Ron Parker.

Rain Man
10-08-2013, 11:43 AM
Dang, patteeu, you're building a pretty darn good defense.

patteeu
10-08-2013, 12:10 PM
Dang, patteeu, you're building a pretty darn good defense.

I couldn't remember whether I cut Marcus Cooper and Ron Parker or not. I'm glad to see that I didn't.

It's a shame I let Sean McGrath go, but I got lucky on Julius Thomas so I'll take that.

NT is still a pretty big weakness on my defense. David DeCastro had better pan out on the OL to help me forget that I passed on Dontari Poe.

Rain Man
03-30-2014, 04:36 PM
A review of my team's draft this year. Recall that we traded out of the #1 pick at significant cost to pick up more lower picks.

All in all, I hit first-round gold and got some production out of my lower picks. My mid-round picks were a disaster in their rookie year, though.

Round 1, Pick 13 - Star Lotulelei, DT (Panthers)

Started every game, played well, and got a couple of DROY votes. Filled a huge need on my team. Grade: A

Round 2, Pick 34 - Geno Smith, QB (Jets)

Started every game, but it was a learning year. He's my second-string QB and hopefully he'll improve with experience. Grade: C-

Round 2, Pick 39 - Menelik Watson, OT (Raiders)

Had some nagging injuries that cost him the chance to shine. Started only three games even with injuries to Veldheer. Perhaps he'll blossom next year. Grade: D

Round 3, Pick 63 - Travis Kelce, TE (Chiefs)

Total injury bust in Year One. Grade: F

Round 3, Pick 72 - Brandon Williams, DT (Ravens)

This one hurt. He saw very little action this year, and I drafted him after strongly considering both Keenan Allen and John Jenkins. Grade: D-

Round 3, Pick 96 - Tyler Wilson, QB (Raiders)

Huge bust. Grade: F.

Round 4, Pick 99 - Denard Robinson, RB/KR (Jaguars)

I don't know what happened here. I took him as a high-risk, high-reward play, and he was looking promising in preseason. But then he almost never saw the field once the season started. Grade: D-

Round 5, Pick 134 - Jesse Williams, DT (Seahawks)

Went on IR in preseason. Grade: F

Round 5, Pick 141 - A.J. Klein, ILB (Panthers)

Actually got a couple of starts and made some tackles, mostly on special teams, I think. But still, he made the team. Grade: B

Round 6, Pick 170 - Bacarri Rambo, FS (Redskins)

He actually won the starting job in preseason and I was quite hopeful, but got demoted three weeks later. He's still better than Kendrick Lewis. Grade: A-

Round 6, Pick 204 - Jordan Poyer, CB (Eagles)

Got cut by the team that drafted him, and had a good punt return average with the Browns in limited action. At least he's still in the league. Grade: B-

patteeu
03-30-2014, 08:16 PM
Here's how my draft looked after the first year. I had a strong first round pick but then my draft nose dives pretty quickly in terms of first year production. Several players suffered injuries (or were drafted with injuries) and I have hope that some of them will bounce back and turn into nice players. Some of them look like pure busts.

1.13 (13) - Sheldon Richardson DT (Jets)

Finished as PFF's 5th rated 3-4 DE. Had 4 sacks and was a wall against the run. Lost a couple votes to Star Lotulelei on his way to winning DROY award. Not the biggest hole on my team, but despite losing Tyson Jackson this off-season it has become a strength. Grade: A

2.07 (39) - Cornellius Carradine DE (49ers)

Carradine spent his first season on injury lists and making no impact. Given the quality players ahead of him on the depth chart, he's likely to be a role player in 2014. If this pick is going to pan out, it's probably going to be another year away. For now... Grade: F

3.01 (63) - Terrance Williams WR (Cowboys)

Williams had a decent rookie season starting 8 games and catching 44 passes for 736 yards and 5 touchdowns. This was a huge hole for my team so that production was welcome. With a chance to go into the upcoming season as Dallas' #2 WR, we're hoping for a good sophomore season. Grade: B-

3.10 (72) - Terron Armstead OT (Saints)

Armstead started 2 games as a rookie and looks likely to take over as the Saints' starting LT this year. Not much rookie production for a 3rd round pick. Grade: D


3.34 (96) - Knile Davis RB

Davis rushed for 242 yards and 4 TDs in limited action behind Jamaal Charles. He had a pretty good game going in the playoffs after Charles went down with a concussion, but then then he broke. His injury riddled history has me very concerned. Grade: D+


4.02 (99) - Josh Boyce WR (Patriots)

Boyce was drafted with a toe injury so he got off to a slow start his rookie season. He started 3 games but only caught 9 passes for 121 yards. Grade: D+

5.01 (134) - Sanders Commings CB

Missed almost the entire season with injuries. Grade: F

5.08 (141) - Oday Aboushi OT (Jets)

Aboushi didn't see the field and will have an uphill battle for playing time in 2014 as far as I can tell. Grade: F

6.02 (170) - Ryan Swope WR (retired)

Retired. Grade: F

6.36 (204) - Vince Williams LB (Steelers)

Williams started 11 games as a rookie which seems like a win for a 6th rounder. Grade: B

wazu
04-04-2014, 03:22 PM
1-7: Tavon Austin, WR (Rams)

Early returns not good. Only played about 50% of offensive snaps and didn't crack 500 yards. Did show some flashes of the crazy athletic ability that got me to pick him, but also dropped too many passes. Possible McCluster-type, which would be disastrous as a high first round pick. Grade: D+

2-38: Geno Smith, QB (Jets)

Coming along quite nicely. Played all 16 games his rookie year. Struggled at times but finished relatively strong. I'll take it for a second round pick when my team is searching for it's franchise QB. Grade: B-

3-63: Travis Kelce, TE (Chiefs)

So far appears to be more fragile than Moeaki. Grade: F

3-96: Tyler Wilson, QB (Raiders)

Sweet merciful mother. Grade: F

5-134: Jesse Williams, DT (Seahawks)

Training Camp IR. Grade: F

6-170: John Boyett, S (Colts)

This is the guy who had the great story last September where he told cops, "You can't arrest me; I'm a Colts player" and then got cut right after. Naturally he is now a Denver Bronco, albeit as a practice squad player. Grade: F

6-204: Jordan Poyer, CB (Eagles)

Like Rainman said, he's still in the league and produced some as a rookie. I'll take the same grade: B-

Rain Man
04-04-2014, 10:48 PM
1.13 (13) - Sheldon Richardson DT (Jets)

Finished as PFF's 5th rated 3-4 DE. Had 4 sacks and was a wall against the run. Lost a couple votes to Star Lotulelei on his way to winning DROY award. Not the biggest hole on my team, but despite losing Tyson Jackson this off-season it has become a strength. Grade: A




Nice pick. I was a Star guy the whole way and never considered Richardson.

Rain Man
04-04-2014, 10:58 PM
I love this time of year. My draft needs:

Huge Need

Fullback - Need a starter. I've got no one.
Tight end - Need a starter. Tony Gonzalez is retiring and his depth is Fasano.
Offensive tackle - Probably need a starter. Losing Albert and Schwartz and my starters will be Eric Winston and Menelik Watson
Free Safety - Need a starter. Baccari Rambo and Kendrick Lewis aren't solutions.
Outside Linebacker. Need a starter. I've got Hali, but all my other guys are backups.
Defensive End. I can't seem to solve this problem. Need a starter. I've got Devito and Alex Carrington, and some backups. Plus Pitoitua if he started.


Moderate Need

Quarterback - Need a backup. I've got Russell Wilson.
Wide receiver - Need a #2 or #3 if I can't find hidden gold. I've got Bowe and Kendall Wright starting.
Nose Tackle - Need depth, most likely, but maybe one of last year's rookies will step up. I have Lotulelei starting.

Mild Need

Guard - Need some depth. Got Wade Smith and Alex Boone. Brian Waters is retiring.
Cornerback - Need a dime back, but I'm good with Flowers, Alphonso Dennard, and Sean Smith.


No Need

Halfback - No need other than deep depth. I've got Jamaal and CJ Spiller.
Center - Need some depth. I've got Rodney Hudson.
Kicker - Fine. Got Henery.
Punter - Fine. Got Colquitt.
Strong Safety - Maybe some depth. I've got Reshad Jones.
Inside Linebacker. Fine. I've got DJ and Maualuga.

patteeu
04-05-2014, 08:28 AM
1-7: Tavon Austin, WR (Rams)

Early returns not good. Only played about 50% of offensive snaps and didn't crack 500 yards. Did show some flashes of the crazy athletic ability that got me to pick him, but also dropped too many passes. Possible McCluster-type, which would be disastrous as a high first round pick. Grade: D+

2-38: Geno Smith, QB (Jets)

Coming along quite nicely. Played all 16 games his rookie year. Struggled at times but finished relatively strong. I'll take it for a second round pick when my team is searching for it's franchise QB. Grade: B-

3-63: Travis Kelce, TE (Chiefs)

So far appears to be more fragile than Moeaki. Grade: F

3-96: Tyler Wilson, QB (Raiders)

Sweet merciful mother. Grade: F

5-134: Jesse Williams, DT (Seahawks)

Training Camp IR. Grade: F

6-170: John Boyett, S (Colts)

This is the guy who had the great story last September where he told cops, "You can't arrest me; I'm a Colts player" and then got cut right after. Naturally he is now a Denver Bronco, albeit as a practice squad player. Grade: F

6-204: Jordan Poyer, CB (Eagles)

Like Rainman said, he's still in the league and produced some as a rookie. I'll take the same grade: B-

On the bright side, that draft would have scored an A++ with the ChiefsPlanet intelligentsia on the day after the draft.

wazu
04-05-2014, 12:02 PM
On the bright side, that draft would have scored an A++ with the ChiefsPlanet intelligentsia on the day after the draft.

Yep. I have applied for a spot on their high council.

chiefscafan
04-05-2014, 01:17 PM
Ok I'm updated


1-13: OLB Jarvis Jones Georgia

2-39: QB Geno Smith WVUOk


CB/S Dave Amerson NC State



3-63: TE Travis Kelcie Cincinnati

3-72: WR Stedman Bailey WVU

3-96: OC Brian Schwenkie California

4-99: OG/OT Barrett Jones Alabama

5-134: DT Jessie Williams Alabama

5-141: ILB AJ Klien Iowa State

6-178: DE Joe Kruger Utah

6-204: DE/OLB Mike Capatano Princeton




Trades

Reject Alex Smith trade






sign CB Dunta Robinson $15m/3 years
sign S Hasain Abdullah
sign WR Mardy Gilyard
sign DT Marcus Dixon
sign TE Kevin Brock
sign TE Anthony Fasano 4 years
sign QB Chase Daniel 3 years
sign DE Mike DeVito $12.6m/3 years
sign WR Donnie Avery 3 years
sign CB Sean Smith $18m/3 years ($11m guaranteed)
sign OT/OG Geoff Schwartz
sign FB Ryan D'Imperio
sign LB Chad Kilgore
sign LB Frank Zombo
sign OL Tommie Draheim




qb: I unlike the chiefs have a young qb being groomed

rb: same as chiefs

wr: stronger than the chiefs with crabtree and bowe

Te: unfortunately i didn't draft moeaki so i'm weaker

OL: I have youthfull backups but like chiefs need a rt

c: stronger i have matt tenet as the hier apparent to wegman

k and P: same as chieffs

De: more youth than chiefs with selvie added
DT: stronger than chiefs with Cam Thomas
OLB bout the same as chiefs
ILB : stronger with spikes and DJ
Cb: same as chiefs
S: weaker cause no SS kendrick lewis

overall stronger than the chiefs in certain areas draft needs in no order TE, RT, qb, RB WR unlike the chiefs i'm good at DT.


2009 draft

#3- Michael Crabtree - WR Texas Tech (49ers)
#67- Jaron Gilbert - DE San Jose ST (Bears)
#102- Brandon Williams - OLB/DE. Texas Tech (cowboys)
#139- Cornellius Ingram- TE Florida (eagles)
#175- A. Gardner- OT Georgia Tech (dolphins)
#212- AQ Shipley- OC. Penn State (steelers)
#237- Darry Beckwith- ILB LSU. (chargers)
#256- Ryan Succop- PK. South Carolina. (chiefs)

2010 draft

1st: Eric Berry S Tennessee
2nd: Javier Arenas CB Alabama
2nd: Brandon Spikes ILB Florida
3rd: Jon Asamoah OG Illinois
4th: Kam Chancelor FS Virginia Tech
5th: CAm Thomas NT North Carolina
5th: John Skelton QB Fordham
5th: Matt Tenet OC Boston College
6th: George Selvie OLB South Florida


2011 Draft

1. Mark Ingram rb alabama
2. Dontay. Moch. OLB. Nevada
3. Leonard Hankerson WR. Miami
3. Allen. Bailey. DE. Miami
4. Owen Marecic. FB. Stanford
5. Ricky Stanzi. QB. Iowa
5. Ahmad. Black. S. Florida
6. Jerrel Powe NT Mississippi
7. Lee Ziemba. OT. Auburn

2012 Draft:

1. DT Dontari Powe Memphis
2. OL Jeff Allen Illinois
3. OT Donald Stephenson Oklahoma
4. WR Devon Wiley Fresno State
5. DB Dequan Menzie Alabama
6. RB Cyrus Gray Texas A & M
7. DE Jerome Long San Diego State
7. WR Junior Hemingway Michigan



ok done some thinking

traded Tank Tyler midseason, traded thigpen when we did never traded for the two bumbs in Miami.

so with that 1st, 2 2nds, 3rd, 4th, 3 5ths, and a 6th





QB

12 Smith, Geno
10 Daniel, Chase
9 Bray, Tyler

HB
25 Charles, Jamaal
28 Mark Ingram -
42 Cyrus Gray


FB
42 Sherman, Anthony



WR
82 Bowe, Dwayne - 16 starts
15 Michael Crabtree -15 starts
13 Bailey, Stedman
88 Junior Hemmingway
00 Dressler, Weston


TE

80 Fasano, Anthony
87 Kelcie, Travis
47 Harris, Demitrus


T

79 Donald Stephenson
78 Eric Winstrom
77 Barrett Jones
00 Linchenbach, Jeff

G

74 Smith, Wade G 16 starts
73 Asomah, john - 1 start
72 Jeff Allen
75 Johnson, Rishaw
69 Watkins, Rokevious


C

62 Schwenkie, Brian
61 AQ Shipley

K
6 Ryan Succop K South Carolina- 16 starts

P
2 Colquitt, Dustin P - 16 starts

LS

43 Thomas Gafford


FS

37 Kam Chancelor
39 Abdullah, Hussain
41 Bronson, Malcolm

SS

29 berry, eric - 16 starts
Ahmad Black




CB

24 Flowers, Brandon
38 Amerson, Dave
27 Smith, Steve
37 Parker, Ron
31 Cooper, Marcus
00 Owens, Chris


OLB

91 Hali, Tamba - 16 starts
95 Jones, Jarvis
52 Moch, Dontay



ILB

56 Johnson, Derrick - 16 starts
51 spikes, brandon - 8 starts
48 Klien, AJ
00 Mays, Joe

DE

97 Allen Bailey
99 Selvie, George
94 gillberry, wallace -2 starts
77 Capatano, Michael
90 Kruger, Joe

DT

93 Jerrell Powe
92 Dontari Poe
93 Thomas, CAm
57 Williams, Jessie
70 DeVito, Mike
00 Walker, Vance

chiefscafan
04-05-2014, 02:08 PM
I;'ll cut after draft

Rain Man
04-05-2014, 02:11 PM
ok done some thinking

traded Tank Tyler midseason, traded thigpen when we did never traded for the two bumbs in Miami.

so with that 1st, 2 2nds, 3rd, 4th, 3 5ths, and a 6th




What's the origin of the extra picks?

chiefscafan
04-05-2014, 02:14 PM
never traded for alex smith or the original dolphins deals


2014 NFL Draft picks:

1. 23rd
2. 24th
3. 87th
4. 124th
5. 163rd
6. 193rd
6. 200th

Rain Man
04-05-2014, 02:19 PM
never traded for alex smith or the original dolphins deals


What was the Dolphins deal? I'm just curious about the extra second round pick. (Not being a lawyer or anything, I'm just curious.)

chiefscafan
04-05-2014, 02:26 PM
its the alex smith trade I never made it so I have the two picks. Also had the trade with the jets last year.

Dolphins picks were the pioli trade for the o lineman

chiefscafan
04-05-2014, 02:43 PM
wow only two real players out of 2009 draft rest are out of the league

chiefscafan
04-30-2014, 12:45 PM
ok since we are allowed to trade once i'm taking that option and trading the number 23 to Houston or Washington for at least a second and third and whatever else is fair value whichever team has the better deal

Rain Man
04-30-2014, 03:28 PM
ok since we are allowed to trade once i'm taking that option and trading the number 23 to Houston or Washington for at least a second and third and whatever else is fair value whichever team has the better deal

You can use the draft chart in the original post to calculate the trade value of the #23 pick. Since we're working with perfect information, we have to discount the trade value significantly, so if you're going to trade down, multiply the point value of the #23 pick by 0.65. You can then pick up that many points' worth of picks from the team you're trading to.

As an example, the #23 pick is normally worth 760 points. You multiply that by .65 and you can trade it to Houston in return for picks worth 494 points.

Houston holds the following tradable picks (compensatory picks cannot be traded):

1-1 (1st pick) = 3000 points
2-1 (33rd) = 580 points
3-1 (65th) = 265 points
4-1 (101st) = 96 points
5-1 (141st) = 35.5 points
6-1 (177th) = 21.6 points
6-5 (181st) = 20 points
7-1 (216th) = 6 points

So your 494 points can buy you Houston's 3rd, 4th, 5th, both 6ths, and a 7th since they add up to less than that amount. However, you can't get their 2nd since it costs 580 points.

If you want their 2nd, you'd have to come up with more points, but that would make no sense. You could do that, but's not going to be worth it. Trade downs in this game have to be at a significant penalty, because otherwise we'd always trade down a few spots to get our guy and keep picking up extra picks.

chiefscafan
04-30-2014, 04:12 PM
I heard a trade Washington would trade second, third, fourth for 23 why can't i do that?

That doesn't make since that I'd only be able to get a third and fourth from the 23 why the heck would chiefs do that . Sorry that doesn't make since to trade up Washington would have to give up at least second and third rounder.

patteeu
04-30-2014, 04:20 PM
I heard a trade Washington would trade second, third, fourth for 23 why can't i do that?

That doesn't make since that I'd only be able to get a third and fourth from the 23 why the heck would chiefs do that . Sorry that doesn't make since to trade up Washington would have to give up at least second and third rounder.

He explained it when he pointed out that without a steep discount in what you can get back for a trade, trades could easily be abused in this game.

We don't have anyone looking out for Washington's interests here. Who knows what goes into whatever it is that you heard. Maybe it's misinformation. Maybe it's true, but only if some specific player is available when the 23rd pick comes up.

chiefscafan
04-30-2014, 04:24 PM
Ok but that makes no sense and isn't reality that a team would trade their one for a third and fourth. Sorry that's where your scale is flawed I'm also trading before the draft that should be higher value according to what you said. If a team trades down in first usually involve second and some other picks

patteeu
04-30-2014, 05:05 PM
Ok but that makes no sense and isn't reality that a team would trade their one for a third and fourth. Sorry that's where your scale is flawed I'm also trading before the draft that should be higher value according to what you said. If a team trades down in first usually involve second and some other picks

Right, it's not reality, it's alternate reality. And I agree, there's no reason to trade a 1st for a 3rd + 4th.

Personally, I would have been fine if we outlawed trades altogether because we never have anyone on the other side of the trade making sure it makes sense for the other team. But I'm OK with what we decided. Last year, I'm not sure any team would have traded up into the 1.1 for even a discounted rate of 65%.

chiefscafan
04-30-2014, 05:08 PM
Fine I'll keep the pick then no way am I trading first for a third and fourth

Rain Man
04-30-2014, 05:19 PM
Fine I'll keep the pick then no way am I trading first for a third and fourth

Yeah, the challenge in a game like this is that if you know exactly who is being drafted at what pick, you can get much more value out of your picks. For example, if you would draft a guy at #23 and you know for a fact that he will be there at #30, you can trade down at market value and pick up an extra pick in the process. In real life, you don't know the guy will be available at #30, so if you value him you won't trade down. So we have to eliminate the exploitation of having perfect knowledge.

If we made trades before the NFL draft, perhaps we could do it at market value without the discount because the perfect knowledge isn't there yet. I think we talked about that at some point and decided that it wasn't worth having to monitor when trades occurred. But even then, as patteeu mentioned, we don't have anyone monitoring the interests of the trading team, so we just shrugged and kept the post-NFL system.

chiefscafan
05-15-2014, 12:02 PM
Preseason Roster:

not addded free agents from draft if any look like they make the roster


2014 Draft:


1st: DE/OLB Dee Ford Auburn

2nd: OG Gabe Jackson Mississippi State

3rd: OLB Carl Bradford ASU

4th: RB/WR De'Anthony Thomas Oregon

5th: QB AJ MCcaron Alabama

6th: ILB Andrew Jackson Western Kentucky

6th: OT Laurent Duvernay-Tardif McGill

Ok I'm updated


1-13: OLB Jarvis Jones Georgia

2-39: QB Geno Smith WVUOk


CB/S Dave Amerson NC State



3-63: TE Travis Kelcie Cincinnati

3-72: WR Stedman Bailey WVU

3-96: OC Brian Schwenkie California

4-99: OG/OT Barrett Jones Alabama

5-134: DT Jessie Williams Alabama

5-141: ILB AJ Klien Iowa State

6-178: DE Joe Kruger Utah

6-204: DE/OLB Mike Capatano Princeton




Trades

Reject Alex Smith trade






sign CB Dunta Robinson $15m/3 years
sign S Hasain Abdullah
sign WR Mardy Gilyard
sign DT Marcus Dixon
sign TE Kevin Brock
sign TE Anthony Fasano 4 years
sign QB Chase Daniel 3 years
sign DE Mike DeVito $12.6m/3 years
sign WR Donnie Avery 3 years
sign CB Sean Smith $18m/3 years ($11m guaranteed)
sign OT/OG Geoff Schwartz
sign FB Ryan D'Imperio
sign LB Chad Kilgore
sign LB Frank Zombo
sign OL Tommie Draheim




qb: I unlike the chiefs have a young qb being groomed

rb: same as chiefs

wr: stronger than the chiefs with crabtree and bowe

Te: unfortunately i didn't draft moeaki so i'm weaker

OL: I have youthfull backups but like chiefs need a rt

c: stronger i have matt tenet as the hier apparent to wegman

k and P: same as chieffs

De: more youth than chiefs with selvie added
DT: stronger than chiefs with Cam Thomas
OLB bout the same as chiefs
ILB : stronger with spikes and DJ
Cb: same as chiefs
S: weaker cause no SS kendrick lewis

overall stronger than the chiefs in certain areas draft needs in no order TE, RT, qb, RB WR unlike the chiefs i'm good at DT.


2009 draft

#3- Michael Crabtree - WR Texas Tech (49ers)
#67- Jaron Gilbert - DE San Jose ST (Bears)
#102- Brandon Williams - OLB/DE. Texas Tech (cowboys)
#139- Cornellius Ingram- TE Florida (eagles)
#175- A. Gardner- OT Georgia Tech (dolphins)
#212- AQ Shipley- OC. Penn State (steelers)
#237- Darry Beckwith- ILB LSU. (chargers)
#256- Ryan Succop- PK. South Carolina. (chiefs)

2010 draft

1st: Eric Berry S Tennessee
2nd: Javier Arenas CB Alabama
2nd: Brandon Spikes ILB Florida
3rd: Jon Asamoah OG Illinois
4th: Kam Chancelor FS Virginia Tech
5th: CAm Thomas NT North Carolina
5th: John Skelton QB Fordham
5th: Matt Tenet OC Boston College
6th: George Selvie OLB South Florida


2011 Draft

1. Mark Ingram rb alabama
2. Dontay. Moch. OLB. Nevada
3. Leonard Hankerson WR. Miami
3. Allen. Bailey. DE. Miami
4. Owen Marecic. FB. Stanford
5. Ricky Stanzi. QB. Iowa
5. Ahmad. Black. S. Florida
6. Jerrel Powe NT Mississippi
7. Lee Ziemba. OT. Auburn

2012 Draft:

1. DT Dontari Powe Memphis
2. OL Jeff Allen Illinois
3. OT Donald Stephenson Oklahoma
4. WR Devon Wiley Fresno State
5. DB Dequan Menzie Alabama
6. RB Cyrus Gray Texas A & M
7. DE Jerome Long San Diego State
7. WR Junior Hemingway Michigan



ok done some thinking

traded Tank Tyler midseason, traded thigpen when we did never traded for the two bumbs in Miami.

so with that 1st, 2 2nds, 3rd, 4th, 3 5ths, and a 6th





QB

12 Smith, Geno
10 McCaron, AJ
9 Bray, Tyler

HB
25 Charles, Jamaal
28 Mark Ingram -
42 Cyrus Gray


FB
42 Sherman, Anthony



WR

82 Bowe, Dwayne - 16 starts
15 Michael Crabtree -15 starts
13 Bailey, Stedman
88 Junior Hemmingway
00 Dressler, Weston
15 Jenkins, AJ
? Thomas, De'Anthony

TE

80 Fasano, Anthony
87 Kelcie, Travis
47 Harris, Demitrus


T

79 Donald Stephenson
78 Eric Winstrom
77 Barrett Jones
00 Linchenbach, Jeff
76 Duvernay-Tardif, Laurent

G

74 Smith, Wade G 16 starts
72 Jeff Allen
75 Johnson, Rishaw
69 Watkins, Rokevious
66 Jackson, Gabe

C

62 Schwenkie, Brian
68 Shipley, AQ

K
6 Succop, Ryan

P
2 Colquitt, Dustin

LS

43 Thomas Gafford


FS

37 Chancelor, Kam
39 Abdullah, Hussain
41 Bronson, Malcolm

SS

29 berry, eric -
Ahmad Black




CB

24 Flowers, Brandon
38 Amerson, Dave
27 Smith, Steve
37 Parker, Ron
31 Cooper, Marcus
00 Owens, Chris


OLB

91 Hali, Tamba
95 Jones, Jarvis
52 Moch, Dontay
90 Ford, Dee


ILB

56 Johnson, Derrick -
51 spikes, brandon -
48 Klien, AJ
00 Mays, Joe
91 Bradford, Carl
54 Jackson, Andrew

DE

97 Allen Bailey
99 Selvie, George
94 gillberry, wallace -2 starts
77 Capatano, Michael
90 Kruger, Joe

DT

93 Jerrell Powe
92 Dontari Poe
93 Thomas, CAm
57 Williams, Jessie
70 DeVito, Mike
00 Walker, Vance

Rain Man
05-15-2014, 01:21 PM
Yep, it's that time. We need to list our draft choices.

Man, I haven't prepared at all this year. I hope I don't Pioli myself out of contention.

patteeu
05-15-2014, 02:26 PM
Due to free agency (http://www.nfl.com/freeagency) so far, I assume we lose:

Branden Albert T
Jon Asamoah G
Quintin Demps FS
Tyson Jackson DE
Akeem Jordan ILB
Kendrick Lewis FS
Dexter McCluster WR
Jerrell Powe NT
Geoff Schwartz G

and I assume we have the option to add:

Cory Grissom DT
Otis Hudson G
Jeffrey Linkenbach G
Joe Mays ILB
Chris Owens CB
Vance Walker DT

with these guys still in limbo:

Terrance Copper WR
Chad Hall WR
Jerrell Jackson WR
Dunta Robinson CB
Anthony Toribio DT

patteeu
05-15-2014, 02:27 PM
Boy, I'm hurting at offensive tackle with seemingly slim pickings in the draft.

Rain Man
05-15-2014, 02:59 PM
Thanks for the free agency update.

Losing Albert is going to hurt all of us, I think. And yeah, I don't think any of the Tier 1 tackles dropped far enough for us to draft one.

I kept Eric Winston but he's been cut, so I may be out of luck on both tackle spots. I better hope that Menelik Watson starts in Oakland this year.

chiefscafan
05-15-2014, 05:10 PM
I kind of prepared for it but yes tackles gonna hurt everyone

chiefscafan
05-15-2014, 05:25 PM
Ok I never cut my draft pick I forgot to add him this upcoming season lee Ziemba is still on my team.

Rain Man
05-17-2014, 11:17 PM
Okay, so the base draft of the Chiefs this year is...

1-23
2-56, but only if you did not accept the Alex Smith trade
3-87
4-124
5-163
6-193 minus the 7-238, but only if you had Edgar Jones on your roster and accept the trade with the Cowboys
6-200
7-238 unless you had Edgar Jones on your roster and accept the trade with the Cowboys

Rain Man
05-18-2014, 12:22 AM
This is not going to be a sexy draft for me. My offensive line was decimated this year. Three of my five offensive line starters have left in free agency or been released by their team.

patteeu
05-18-2014, 11:23 AM
This is not going to be a sexy draft for me. My offensive line was decimated this year. Three of my five offensive line starters have left in free agency or been released by their team.

Do we lose players when other teams release them or lose them to free agency?

Rain Man
05-18-2014, 08:34 PM
Do we lose players when other teams release them or lose them to free agency?

We decided that we wouldn't lost those players just to keep it from being a pain in the neck on tracking. But at the same time, if a player gets released by some other team, they're not going to be really good for our roster if no one else picks them up.

In the long run, that means we probably need to evaluate if the simulation is still fair since, as we diverge more and more from the Chiefs' roster, we're continuing to get free agents and aren't really losing them at the same pace. But we can discuss that after the draft.

Rain Man
05-18-2014, 10:12 PM
Okay, I studied this all day and I'm making my picks.

This draft was brutal. Every position of need for me seemed to get drafted before I could get my picks, and then there would be a big dropoff. I hate trading down, but I had no choice this year.

First, we are trading down with the Buffalo Bills. We are trading our #23 pick (760 points, discounted to 494) for their #44 pick (460 points), #153 pick (30.2 points), and #221 pick (3 points).

I did not make the Alex Smith trade, so I keep my #56, and I didn't have Edgar Jones to trade, so I don't move up at the bottom of the round. My picks are:

44
56
87
124
153
163
200
221
238

And without further ado, my draft is ...

#44 - Cyrus Kouandjio, OT (Bills)


With Branden Albert and Geoff Schwartz leaving, and with Eric Winston currently without a team, the only tackle on my roster is Menelik Watson. Kouandjio seems to have a good chance at being a starter if his medical stuff works out.

Other players considered: Xavier Su'a-Filo (G), Dee Ford (DE/OLB), or Teddy Bridgewater (QB) if no trade down. The first two would've filled big needs but I decided I could get a better return on investment with later picks.

#56 - Morgan Moses, OT (Redskins)


Yeah, two tackles with my first two picks. I've had problems replenishing this position over the years, so it's time to stock up.

Others considered: Kony Ealy (DE), C.J. Fiedorowicz (TE), Terrance Brooks (FS). Three more areas of need, but Moses seemed like the best value. I also pondered Gabe Jackson (G) and Louis Nix (NT).

#87 - Donte Moncrief, WR (Colts).


This pick was very difficult. I really wanted to fill one of my major needs areas, but couldn't find a pick that seemed worth the price. WR is a bit of a luxury here, though I could use some depth and competition.

Others considered: Crockett Gilmore (TE) was on my board almost the whole time as a need pick since Tony Gonzalez retired on me, but I eventually decided that I could get by with Fasano and Travis Kelce and see how they do. That let me go with the player that I think has the higher upside.

If we were allowed two trade-downs, I would've traded down out of this pick and taken Carl Bradford (OLB) and some lower picks. But since I couldn't trade down, Moncrief seemed like the better risk.

#124 - David Yankey, G (Vikings).


With Brian Waters' career in doubt and Wade Smith getting cut, my once-deep guard position was suddenly shaky. Yankey seemed like a really good value pick here who can potentially fill a need.

Others considered: None, really. Yankey was way above my other choices. I looked at G Dakota Dozier and OLB Telvin Smith, along with FS Nate Berhe.

#153 - Ed Reynolds, FS (Eagles)


I really need a free safety, and the top ones went before my first-round pick. Ed Reynolds can be competitive for the starting position with Quentin Demps on my roster. Screw Kendrick Lewis. I may cut him even if I don't have any other safeties.

Others considered: I really wanted DE Chris Smith as well, but couldn't find a way to get both. It came down to Smith or Reynolds.

#163 - Ronald Powell, OLB (Saints).


He's a medical risk that I'm hoping pays off, because I'm very shallow at OLB right now.

Others considered: Lots of good choices here. I really struggled between OLB Jordan Tripp versus Powell, so hopefully I made the right decision. I also strongly considered the two QBs (Aaron Murray and A.J. McCarren), along with FS Vinnie Sunseri.

#200 - Daniel McCullers, NT (Steelers).


I invested heavily in the DT position last year with three draft picks, but only one of them had a good year. McCullers seems like a cheap backup with notable upside.

Others considered: OT Laurent Duvernay-Tardif and DT Shamar Stephen. I've already drafted two OTs, though, and liked McCullers on the nose. He's huge. I also pondered FB Jay Prosch, but figured I'd wait on that position.

#221 - Trevor Reilly, OLB (Jets).


I think he slipped a lot due to his age (Mormon mission), but if I can get a good player cheap for a few years, he's definitely worth a late pick.

Others considered: None, really. He was my guy in this slot.

#238 - Trey Millard, FB (49ers).


I need a fullback. He's a fullback. Let's hope he sticks on the Niners' roster.

Others considered: There were a few others that I liked, including OLB Tyler Starr, ILB Yawin Smallwood, and WR Tevin Reese. But they were all depth at this point and I had no fullback on the roster.

In summary, my draft is:

#44 - Cyrus Kouandjio, OT (Bills)
#56 - Morgan Moses, OT (Redskins)
#87 - Donte Moncrief, WR (Colts)
#124 - David Yankey, G (Vikings).
#153 - Ed Reynolds, FS (Eagles)
#163 - Ronald Powell, OLB (Saints).
#200 - Daniel McCullers, NT (Steelers).
#221 - Trevor Reilly, OLB (Jets).
#238 - Trey Millard, FB (49ers).

patteeu
05-19-2014, 11:53 PM
Okay, so the base draft of the Chiefs this year is...

1-23
2-56, but only if you did not accept the Alex Smith trade
3-87
4-124
5-163
6-193 minus the 7-238, but only if you had Edgar Jones on your roster and accept the trade with the Cowboys
6-200
7-238 unless you had Edgar Jones on your roster and accept the trade with the Cowboys

1) I accepted the Alex Smith trade,

2) I didn't have Edgar Jones on my roster,

3) I'm trading down with the Denver Broncos. I give them my #23 (760 pts), discounted to 494 pts. In return, we get #56 (340 pts), #95 (120 pts), #156 (30 pts), and #242 (1.2 pts) for a total of 491.2 pts.

so my picks are:

#56 - Cody Latimer WR (Indiana) - Denver

I coveted Jordan Matthews with my first pick, but I was able to get more back in a trade with Denver for a similar player who is also headed to a prolific offense.

#87 - Phillip Gaines CB (Rice) - KC

I'm already in good shape at CB, but the draft didn't really fall to my needs well here and Gaines will give me insurance in case KC parts ways with Brandon Flowers in the next year or two.

#95 - Michael Schofield OT (Michigan) - Denver

With the loss of Branden Albert, my offensive line is looking pretty thin. Terron Armstead is penciled in as my starting LT, but my other tackles are still big question marks. Schofield and 6th round pick of Laurent Duvernay-Tardif give me a couple of other prospects to take up the slack or play guard in a pinch.

#124 - Kevin Pierre-Louis OLB (Boston College) - Seattle

With Tamba Hali getting older, it's time to find his replacement. I've got a couple candidates on my roster, but no sure things so I'll add Pierre-Louis to the mix and hope for the best.

#156 - Ed Reynolds S (Stanford) - Philadelphia

Reynolds is a guy I had targeted to bolster my thin safety ranks. The trade down was designed around him and Latimer.

#163 - Aaron Murray QB (Georgia) - KC

I don't know whether he'll replace Chase Daniel or Tyler Bray, but I think he's a good deal this late in the draft and I expect him to have an equal or better career than either of those guys.

#200 - Laurent Duvernay-Tardif OT (McGill) - KC

He's smart, he's strong, and he's big. I hope his name will fit on the jersey.

#238 - Trey Millard FB (Oklahoma) - San Francisco

I too need a FB. Why, oh why didn't I roster Anthony Sherman so I could use this pick on Henry Josey? I don't know, but at least I have one more pick.

#242 - Bruce Gaston NT (Purdue) - Arizona

Damnit! I need a NT worse than I need a RB so no Henry Josey here. NT is probably my thinnest position. One of the guys on my roster plays for Arizona so I'm picking up Gaston with my final pick because he went to Arizona as an UDFA. It's possible that neither of them will win the starting job, but one of them will almost surely make the team.

Rain Man
05-20-2014, 11:56 AM
Ah, interesting. Another trade down.

I'm philosophically opposed to trading down, but have now done it two years in a row with my top choice. Last year was a no-brainer with the value of the #1 pick, but this year was just a fluke of player availability for me. I would've probably taken my top pick with the #23 pick, so I might as well trade down and get a couple of late picks as well.

patteeu
05-20-2014, 12:26 PM
Ah, interesting. Another trade down.

I'm philosophically opposed to trading down, but have now done it two years in a row with my top choice. Last year was a no-brainer with the value of the #1 pick, but this year was just a fluke of player availability for me. I would've probably taken my top pick with the #23 pick, so I might as well trade down and get a couple of late picks as well.

Yeah, same here. I was going to take Jordan Matthews with #23, but then I realized he was far enough down on the draft board that even with the steep discount, I could pick up a late pick to go with him. And with Ed Reynolds going one pick before #163, I started to think about maneuvers that would bring him into reasonable range.

Rain Man
05-20-2014, 12:33 PM
Yeah, same here. I was going to take Jordan Matthews with #23, but then I realized he was far enough down on the draft board that even with the steep discount, I could pick up a late pick to go with him. And with Ed Reynolds going one pick before #163, I started to think about maneuvers that would bring him into reasonable range.

I wonder if we buy the same draft magazine. Ed Reynolds was a factor in my trade down too.

patteeu
05-20-2014, 12:46 PM
I wonder if we buy the same draft magazine. Ed Reynolds was a factor in my trade down too.

I liked him based on internet research I did for one of the pre-draft mock polls here. I don't remember what sites I was using.

I liked Laurent Duvernay-Tardif, based on the same thing.

wazu
06-28-2014, 09:17 PM
I'm taking the Chiefs draft as-is this year.

Rain Man
06-28-2014, 09:27 PM
I'm taking the Chiefs draft as-is this year.

You are quite the optimist.

wazu
07-02-2014, 11:07 PM
You are quite the optimist.

Or just lazy. Actually I liked the picks this year. I might have done something different in Round 1 but was on the fence so I took the easier path. After that I felt like the Chiefs really killed it. We'll see. This at least keeps me in the game.

chiefscafan
09-03-2014, 01:00 PM
Ok gonna edit it today

With possibility of Kurt Coleman

Preseason Roster:

not addded free agents from draft if any look like they make the roster


2014 Draft:


1st: DE/OLB Dee Ford Auburn

2nd: OG Gabe Jackson Mississippi State

3rd: OLB Carl Bradford ASU

4th: RB/WR De'Anthony Thomas Oregon

5th: QB AJ MCcaron Alabama

6th: ILB Andrew Jackson Western Kentucky

6th: OT Laurent Duvernay-Tardif McGill

Ok I'm updated


1-13: OLB Jarvis Jones Georgia

2-39: QB Geno Smith WVUOk


CB/S Dave Amerson NC State



3-63: TE Travis Kelcie Cincinnati

3-72: WR Stedman Bailey WVU

3-96: OC Brian Schwenkie California

4-99: OG/OT Barrett Jones Alabama

5-134: DT Jessie Williams Alabama

5-141: ILB AJ Klien Iowa State

6-178: DE Joe Kruger Utah

6-204: DE/OLB Mike Capatano Princeton




Trades

Reject Alex Smith trade






sign CB Dunta Robinson $15m/3 years
sign S Hasain Abdullah
sign WR Mardy Gilyard
sign DT Marcus Dixon
sign TE Kevin Brock
sign TE Anthony Fasano 4 years
sign QB Chase Daniel 3 years
sign DE Mike DeVito $12.6m/3 years
sign WR Donnie Avery 3 years
sign CB Sean Smith $18m/3 years ($11m guaranteed)
sign OT/OG Geoff Schwartz
sign FB Ryan D'Imperio
sign LB Chad Kilgore
sign LB Frank Zombo
sign OL Tommie Draheim




qb: I unlike the chiefs have a young qb being groomed

rb: same as chiefs

wr: stronger than the chiefs with crabtree and bowe

Te: unfortunately i didn't draft moeaki so i'm weaker

OL: I have youthfull backups but like chiefs need a rt

c: stronger i have matt tenet as the hier apparent to wegman

k and P: same as chieffs

De: more youth than chiefs with selvie added
DT: stronger than chiefs with Cam Thomas
OLB bout the same as chiefs
ILB : stronger with spikes and DJ
Cb: same as chiefs
S: weaker cause no SS kendrick lewis

overall stronger than the chiefs in certain areas draft needs in no order TE, RT, qb, RB WR unlike the chiefs i'm good at DT.


2009 draft

#3- Michael Crabtree - WR Texas Tech (49ers)
#67- Jaron Gilbert - DE San Jose ST (Bears)
#102- Brandon Williams - OLB/DE. Texas Tech (cowboys)
#139- Cornellius Ingram- TE Florida (eagles)
#175- A. Gardner- OT Georgia Tech (dolphins)
#212- AQ Shipley- OC. Penn State (steelers)
#237- Darry Beckwith- ILB LSU. (chargers)
#256- Ryan Succop- PK. South Carolina. (chiefs)

2010 draft

1st: Eric Berry S Tennessee
2nd: Javier Arenas CB Alabama
2nd: Brandon Spikes ILB Florida
3rd: Jon Asamoah OG Illinois
4th: Kam Chancelor FS Virginia Tech
5th: CAm Thomas NT North Carolina
5th: John Skelton QB Fordham
5th: Matt Tenet OC Boston College
6th: George Selvie OLB South Florida


2011 Draft

1. Mark Ingram rb alabama
2. Dontay. Moch. OLB. Nevada
3. Leonard Hankerson WR. Miami
3. Allen. Bailey. DE. Miami
4. Owen Marecic. FB. Stanford
5. Ricky Stanzi. QB. Iowa
5. Ahmad. Black. S. Florida
6. Jerrel Powe NT Mississippi
7. Lee Ziemba. OT. Auburn

2012 Draft:

1. DT Dontari Powe Memphis
2. OL Jeff Allen Illinois
3. OT Donald Stephenson Oklahoma
4. WR Devon Wiley Fresno State
5. DB Dequan Menzie Alabama
6. RB Cyrus Gray Texas A & M
7. DE Jerome Long San Diego State
7. WR Junior Hemingway Michigan



ok done some thinking

traded Tank Tyler midseason, traded thigpen when we did never traded for the two bumbs in Miami.

so with that 1st, 2 2nds, 3rd, 4th, 3 5ths, and a 6th





QB

12 Smith, Geno
10 McCaron, AJ


HB
25 Charles, Jamaal
28 Mark Ingram -
42 Cyrus Gray


FB
42 Sherman, Anthony



WR

82 Bowe, Dwayne - 16 starts
15 Michael Crabtree -15 starts
13 Bailey, Stedman
88 Junior Hemmingway
11 Wilson, Albert
13 Thomas, De'Anthony

TE

80 Fasano, Anthony
87 Kelcie, Travis
47 Harris, Demitrus


T

71 Jeff Allen
79 Donald Stephenson
77 Barrett Jones
00 Linchenbach, Jeff
76 Duvernay-Tardif, Lauren
68 Ryan Harris


G

71 Jeff Allen
75 Johnson, Rishaw
66 Jackson, Gabe
78 Mike McGlynn
77 Barrett Jones

C

62 Schwenkie, Brian
77 Barrett Jones

K
6 Succop, Ryan

P
2 Colquitt, Dustin

LS

43 Thomas Gafford


FS

37 Chancelor, Kam
39 Abdullah, Hussain
41 Bronson, Malcolm

SS

29 berry, eric -
27 Kurt Coleman




CB

24 Flowers, Brandon
38 Amerson, Dave
27 Smith, Steve
31 Cooper, Marcus

OLB

91 Hali, Tamba
95 Jones, Jarvis
90 Ford, Dee
91 Bradford, Carl
96 Josh Martin

ILB

56 Johnson, Derrick -
51 spikes, brandon -
48 Klien, AJ
54 Jackson, Andrew

DE

97 Allen Bailey
99 Selvie, George
98 Damion Squaire
70 Mike Devito
99 Vance Walker

DT

93 Jerrell Powe
92 Dontari Poe
70 DeVito, Mike
99 Walker, Vance

IR

Qb Tyler Bray
DT Jessie Williams
DE Mike Capatano

Last edited by chiefscafan; 05-15-2014 at 11:25 AM..

chiefscafan
09-03-2014, 01:54 PM
Ok my question is if both my qbs are injured reserve who am I allowed to pick up??

Rain Man
09-03-2014, 02:04 PM
Ok my question is if both my qbs are injured reserve who am I allowed to pick up??


In this game, no one. You're running with a street free agent. You have to either draft a guy or get a guy that the Chiefs sign as a free agent.

chiefscafan
09-03-2014, 03:02 PM
Los Angeles Cobras 2014 Roster:


QB

12 Smith, Geno
10 McCaron, AJ


HB
25 Charles, Jamaal
28 Mark Ingram -
42 Cyrus Gray


FB
42 Sherman, Anthony



WR

82 Bowe, Dwayne - 16 starts
15 Michael Crabtree -15 starts
13 Bailey, Stedman
88 Junior Hemmingway
11 Wilson, Albert
13 Thomas, De'Anthony

TE

80 Fasano, Anthony
87 Kelcie, Travis
47 Harris, Demitrus


T

71 Jeff Allen
79 Donald Stephenson
77 Barrett Jones
00 Linchenbach, Jeff
76 Duvernay-Tardif, Lauren
68 Ryan Harris


G

71 Jeff Allen
75 Johnson, Rishaw
66 Jackson, Gabe
78 Mike McGlynn
77 Barrett Jones

C

62 Schwenkie, Brian
77 Barrett Jones

K
6 Succop, Ryan

P
2 Colquitt, Dustin

LS

43 Thomas Gafford


FS

37 Chancelor, Kam
39 Abdullah, Hussain
41 Bronson, Malcolm

SS

29 berry, eric -
27 Kurt Coleman

CB

24 Flowers, Brandon
38 Amerson, Dave
27 Smith, Steve
31 Cooper, Marcus

OLB

91 Hali, Tamba
95 Jones, Jarvis
90 Ford, Dee
91 Bradford, Carl
96 Josh Martin

ILB

56 Johnson, Derrick -
51 spikes, brandon -
48 Klien, AJ
54 Jackson, Andrew

DE

97 Allen Bailey
99 Selvie, George
98 Damion Squaire
70 Mike Devito
99 Vance Walker

DT

93 Jerrell Powe
92 Dontari Poe
70 DeVito, Mike
99 Walker, Vance

IR

Qb Tyler Bray
DT Jessie Williams
DE Mike Capatano

Last edited by chiefscafan; 05-15-2014 at 11:25 AM..

Rain Man
09-03-2014, 03:55 PM
Oh, yeah. We need to get our final 53-man rosters put together, don't we?

Rain Man
09-03-2014, 04:09 PM
Chiefs free agency losses. If these guys are on your team, they're gone now:

Branden Albert LT Signed KC MIA 5 $47,000,000 Mar 11
Tyson Jackson DE Signed KC ATL 5 $25,000,000 Mar 11
Jon Asamoah G Signed KC ATL 5 $22,500,000 Mar 11
Geoff Schwartz G Signed KC NYG 4 $16,800,000 Mar 11
Dexter McCluster WR Signed KC TEN 3 $9,000,000 Mar 11
Brandon Flowers CB Signed KC SD 1 $3,000,000 Jun 24

Chiefs free agency gains who made the roster. You can add these guys to your team for free.

Kurt Coleman, FS
Frankie Hammond, WR
Ryan Harris, RT
Jaye Howard, DT
Jeffrey Linkenbach, G
Josh Martin, OLB
Josh Mauga, ILB
Kelcie McCray, FS
Mike McGlynn, G
Joe McKnight, RB
Chris Owens, CB
Cairo Santos, K
Daniel Sorensen, S
Damion Square, DE (Wait, who? Where'd this guy come from? He's on our 53-man roster?)
Albert Wilson, WR
Campbell, Jordan FB
Fangupo, Hebron DT
Franklin, Jerry LB
Gottschalk, Ben C
Henry, Ricky G
Schwenke, Kona DT
Surgent, Darryl WR
Walker, Vance, DE
West, Charcandrick RB
Williams, Fred WR

If you had Jon Baldwin on your team, you can trade him for AJ Jenkins. Or keep Baldwin. Whatever.

Rain Man
09-03-2014, 04:15 PM
So here's what I'm working with.

Free Agents and Camp Signings

Kurt Coleman, FS
Frankie Hammond, WR
Ryan Harris, RT
Jaye Howard, DT
Jeffrey Linkenbach, G
Josh Martin, OLB
Josh Mauga, ILB
Kelcie McCray, FS
Mike McGlynn, G
Joe McKnight, RB
Chris Owens, CB
Cairo Santos, K
Daniel Sorensen, S
Damion Square, DE (Wait, who? Where'd this guy come from? He's on our 53-man roster?)
Albert Wilson, WR
Campbell, Jordan FB
Fangupo, Hebron DT
Franklin, Jerry LB
Gottschalk, Ben C
Henry, Ricky G
Schwenke, Kona DT
Surgent, Darryl WR
West, Charcandrick RB
Williams, Fred WR

My Draft:

#44 - Cyrus Kouandjio, OT (Bills)

#56 - Morgan Moses, OT (Redskins)

#87 - Donte Moncrief, WR (Colts).

#124 - David Yankey, G (Vikings).

#153 - Ed Reynolds, FS (Eagles)

#163 - Ronald Powell, OLB (Saints).

#200 - Daniel McCullers, NT (Steelers).

#221 - Trevor Reilly, OLB (Jets).

#238 - Trey Millard, FB (49ers).




My final 53-man roster last year was this:


QB
Russell Wilson (Seahawks)
Geno Smith (Jets)
Tyler Bray
Tyler Wilson (Raiders)

HB
Jamaal Charles
C.J. Spiller. (Bills)
Denard Robinson (Jaguars)

FB/H-Back

WR
Dwayne Bowe
Kendall Wright (Titans)
WR Donnie Avery
Leonard Hankerson (Redskins)

TE
Tony Gonzalez (Falcons) - Retired
Anthony Fasano
Travis Kelce (Chiefs)
Kevin Brock

OT
Branden Albert - Free Agent
Eric Winston
Menelik Watson (Raiders)
Geoff Schwartz - Free Agent

G
Wade Smith
Brian Waters - Retired
Alex Boone (49ers)
Jason Pinkston (Browns)

C
Rodney Hudson (Chiefs)

K
Alex Henery (Eagles)

P
Dustin Colquitt

FS
Baccari Rambo (Redskins)
Kendrick Lewis

SS
Reshad Jones (Dolphins)
Quinton Demps

CB
Brandon Flowers - Free Agent
Alphonso Dennard (Patriots)
CB Sean Smith
CB Dunta Robinson
D.J. Moore (Bears)
Jordan Poyer (Eagles)

OLB
Tamba Hali
Zach Brown (Titans)
Dekoda Watson (Buccaneers)
LB Frank Zombo
Chris Carter (Steelers)

ILB
Derrick Johnson
Rey Maualuga (Bengals)
AJ Klein (Panthers)

DE
DE Mike DeVito
DE Alex Carrington (Bills)
Da'Quan Bowers (Buccaneers)
Ropati Pitoitua
Jonathan Massaquoi (Falcons)

NT
Star Lotulelei (Panthers)
Brandon Williams (Ravens)
Jesse Williams (Seahawks)
Anthony Toribio

Rain Man
09-03-2014, 04:26 PM
So here's my camp roster. I'll cut this down to 53. Black is veterans, red is rookies, and the color that's labeled but didn't work is free agents.

QB
Russell Wilson (Seahawks)
Geno Smith (Jets)
Tyler Bray
Tyler Wilson (Raiders)

HB
Jamaal Charles
C.J. Spiller. (Bills)
Denard Robinson (Jaguars)
Joe McKnight, RB

West, Charcandrick RB


FB/H-Back
#238 - Trey Millard, FB (49ers).

Campbell, Jordan FB


WR
Dwayne Bowe
Kendall Wright (Titans)
WR Donnie Avery
Leonard Hankerson (Redskins)
#87 - Donte Moncrief, WR (Colts).

Albert Wilson, WR

Frankie Hammond, WR

Surgent, Darryl WR

Williams, Fred WR


TE
Tony Gonzalez (Falcons) - Retired
Anthony Fasano
Travis Kelce (Chiefs)
Kevin Brock

OT
Branden Albert - Free Agent
Eric Winston
Menelik Watson (Raiders)
Geoff Schwartz - Free Agent
#44 - Cyrus Kouandjio, OT (Bills)

#56 - Morgan Moses, OT (Redskins)

Ryan Harris, RT


G
Wade Smith
Brian Waters - Retired
Alex Boone (49ers)
Jason Pinkston (Browns)
#124 - David Yankey, G (Vikings).

Mike McGlynn, G

Jeffrey Linkenbach, G

Henry, Ricky G



C
Rodney Hudson (Chiefs)
Gottschalk, Ben C


K
Alex Henery (Eagles)
Cairo Santos, K


P
Dustin Colquitt

FS
Baccari Rambo (Redskins)
Kendrick Lewis
#153 - Ed Reynolds, FS (Eagles)

Kurt Coleman, FS

Kelcie McCray, FS


SS
Reshad Jones (Dolphins)
Quinton Demps
Daniel Sorensen, S


CB
Brandon Flowers - Free Agent
Alphonso Dennard (Patriots)
CB Sean Smith
CB Dunta Robinson
D.J. Moore (Bears)
Jordan Poyer (Eagles)
Chris Owens, CB


OLB
Tamba Hali
Zach Brown (Titans)
Dekoda Watson (Buccaneers)
LB Frank Zombo
Chris Carter (Steelers)
#163 - Ronald Powell, OLB (Saints).

#221 - Trevor Reilly, OLB (Jets).

Josh Martin, OLB

Franklin, Jerry LB


ILB
Derrick Johnson
Rey Maualuga (Bengals)
AJ Klein (Panthers)
Josh Mauga, ILB


DE
DE Mike DeVito
DE Alex Carrington (Bills)
Da'Quan Bowers (Buccaneers)
Ropati Pitoitua
Jonathan Massaquoi (Falcons)
Damion Square, DE

Vance Walker, DE


NT
Star Lotulelei (Panthers)
Brandon Williams (Ravens)
Jesse Williams (Seahawks)
Anthony Toribio
#200 - Daniel McCullers, NT (Steelers).

Jaye Howard, DT

Schwenke, Kona DT

Fangupo, Hebron DT

Rain Man
09-03-2014, 05:29 PM
Here's my final roster. My verdict is as follows:

Offense: My skill positions are very strong, but my offensive line and FB is a wreck. I lost three starters and two key backups from last year's line, so I'm scrambling, plus Tony Gonzalez retired.

Defense: I think it's better than last year and I've built up my front seven, but I have some glaring weaknesses at OLB and FS, and a very thin CB crew. I finally gave up on Da'Quan Bowers after holding him for years, but had a lot of talent on the D-line this year.

It's been a very strange year. I ended up with 19 new players on my roster, with lots of free agent departures, some retirements, and several guys changing positions.



QB
Russell Wilson (Seahawks)
Geno Smith (Jets)
Tyler Bray

Good starter, not much depth.

HB
Jamaal Charles
C.J. Spiller. (Bills)
Denard Robinson (Jaguars)

Very strong here. Robinson has moved up to the 2nd string in Jacksonville.

FB/H-Back
2014/#238 - Trey Millard, FB (49ers).

He didn't make a team and got cut twice, but I have no one here. So he gets to start for me. I'm very weak here. I may put Charles and Spiller in the backfield a lot and rely on elusiveness.

WR
Dwayne Bowe
Kendall Wright (Titans)
WR Donnie Avery
Frankie Hammond, WR
2014/#87 - Donte Moncrief, WR (Colts).
Albert Wilson, WR

All of a sudden I have depth galore if the free agents and rookies work out. I even had to make a difficult choice to cut injured WR Leonard Hankerson, who's been a good #3/#4 guy for me in the past.

TE
Anthony Fasano
Travis Kelce (Chiefs)

No depth, but let's see how it works out. It hurt to lose Tony G.

OT
Menelik Watson (Raiders)
2014/#56 - Morgan Moses, OT (Redskins)
Ryan Harris, RT
2014/#44 - Cyrus Kouandjio, OT (Bills)


I lost three OTs this offseason - Albert, Schwartz, and Eric Winston, so I'm desperate here. Watson has won a starting role in Oakland, but I'm going to start rookie Morgan Moses at LT. Kouandjio is apparently busting hard in Buffalo as my top rookie pick this year.

G
Alex Boone (49ers)
Mike McGlynn, G
2014/#124 - David Yankey, G (Vikings).
Jeffrey Linkenbach, G


I lost two strong guards this year when Brian Waters retired (as a Chief since I never let him go) and Wade Smith got cut. So Boone will have to anchor the line with some backups.

C
Rodney Hudson (Chiefs)

Hopefully solid.

K
Cairo Santos, K

Got lucky here because my previous kicker, Alex Henery, got cut this year. It was a surprise because I thought he was pretty entrenched. So I'll be going with Karo Syrup.

P
Dustin Colquitt

Hall of Famer.

FS
Kendrick Lewis
Jordan Poyer (Eagles)
Kelcie McCray, FS
2014/#153 - Ed Reynolds, FS (Eagles)


Dammit! Dammit! I was so wanting to cut Kendrick Lewis. But he won the starting job in Tennessee and my starter last year, Baccari Rambo, got moved to SS. Dammit! I can't even make him a backup! Poyer was moved to FS from CB and will be my dime back.

SS
Reshad Jones (Dolphins)
Baccari Rambo (Redskins)

Strong here and also have depth. If Kendrick Lewis is Kendrick Lewis, Rambo may move back to FS for me.

CB
Alphonso Dennard (Patriots)
CB Sean Smith
Chris Owens, CB


My corners got decimated this year. Flowers left and my veteran depth all got cut and Poyer moved to safety. I'm way too thin here.

OLB
Tamba Hali
AJ Klein (Panthers)
Josh Martin, OLB
Dekoda Watson (Buccaneers)
2014/#221 - Trevor Reilly, OLB (Jets).
2014/#163 - Ronald Powell, OLB (Saints).


Hali and a bunch of backups. I can't seem to solve this problem. I've got some developmental players that I'm stashing in the hope that one of them will develop. Klein was moved outside giving me yet another prospect. Zombo was a tough cut but I figure that I'll go with youth and potential.

ILB
Derrick Johnson
Rey Maualuga (Bengals)
Zach Brown (Titans)
Josh Mauga, ILB


Zach Brown was moved inside and won his starting job back, so I'm good here.

DE
Star Lotulelei (Panthers)
DE Mike DeVito
Ropati Pitoitua
Vance Walker, DE

Jonathan Massaquoi (Falcons)

We're moving Star out to DE, and we now have strong starters. Ropati is starting in Tennessee so we also have some depth.

NT
Brandon Williams (Ravens)
DE Alex Carrington (Bills)
2014/#200 - Daniel McCullers, NT (Steelers).


In good news, Brandon Williams won the starting NT job in Baltimore, which allows me to move Star out to DE. McCullers and Carrington are both backups that give me decent depth, with McCullers as a developmental prospect. Jesse Williams went on IR again, so I reluctantly cut him, and I gave up on Da'Quan Bowers, who was moved to DT this offseason.

Tough Cuts:
Quentin Demps, SS
Daniel Sorensen, S

LB Frank Zombo
Jesse Williams (Seahawks)
Leonard Hankerson (Redskins)
Jaye Howard, DT

Da'Quan Bowers (Buccaneers)
Damion Square, DE



Easy Cuts:
Tyler Wilson (Raiders)
West, Charcandrick RB

Campbell, Jordan FB

Surgent, Darryl WR

Williams, Fred WR

Tony Gonzalez (Falcons) - Retired
Kevin Brock TE
Branden Albert - Free Agent
Eric Winston
Geoff Schwartz - Free Agent
Brian Waters - Retired
Jason Pinkston (Browns)
Wade Smith
Gottschalk, Ben C

Alex Henery (Eagles)
Brandon Flowers - Free Agent
CB Dunta Robinson
D.J. Moore (Bears)
Chris Carter (Steelers)
Schwenke, Kona DT
Fangupo, Hebron DT
Anthony Toribio
Joe McKnight, RB
Henry, Ricky G
Kurt Coleman, FS
Franklin, Jerry LB

chiefscafan
09-03-2014, 07:58 PM
Los Angeles Cobras 2014 beginning of the year synopsis:


Ok so because of injuries my QB situation isn't good I'm relying on geno smith

WR I'm a lot better off than chiefs with Crabtree bowe Bailey

RB Charles, Ingram , Gray

TE chiefs tight ends

Online is weak

My D line is stronger

As well as my linebackers

CBS are stronger too

Safeties are stronger

So if geno has a good season so does cobras

So season relies on one Geno Smith

wazu
09-08-2014, 08:35 PM
My roster. I think I've obeyed all the rules but let me know if I missed something. After yesterday I'm re-thinking the amount of trust I had in Dorsey.

QB
Alex Smith
Brock Osweiler (Broncos)
Geno Smith (Jets)
Tyler Bray
Aaron Murray

RB
Jamaal Charles
De'Anthony Thomas
Anthony Sherman

WR
Dwayne Bowe
Donnie Avery
Tavon Austin (Rams)
Rishard Matthews (Dolphins)
AJ Jenkins
Frankie Hammond
Albert Wilson

TE
Travis Kelce
Anthony Fasano

OT
Donald Stephenson
Ryan Harris
Laurent Duvernay-Tardiff

G
David DeCastro (Steelers)
Zach Fulton
Jeff Linkenbach
Mike McGlynn

C
Rodney Hudson

K
Cairo Santos

P
Dustin Colquitt

S
Eric Berry
George Iloka (Bengals)
Hasain Abdullah
Kelcie McCray

CB
Phillip Gaines
Sean Smith
Jordan Poyer (Eagles)
Chris Owens

OLB
Tamba Hali
Justin Houston
Ricky Sapp (Jets)
Dee Ford
Josh Martin

ILB
Derrick Johnson
Vontaze Burflict (Bengals)
Josh Mauga

DE
Allen Bailey
Mike DeVito
Vance Walker

NT
Terrence Cody (Ravens)
Cam Thomas (Steelers)
Alameda Ta'amu (Cardinals)
Jesse Williams (Seahawks)

chiefscafan
10-31-2014, 12:39 PM
Rain man

Flowers is eligible he was cut by the chiefs not a free agent

Rain Man
11-02-2014, 08:59 PM
Rain man

Flowers is eligible he was cut by the chiefs not a free agent

Ah, you are correct. I figure the ship has sailed so I won't claim him, but others can.

chiefscafan
11-09-2014, 10:22 AM
Not sure bout him seems to be injury prone now

chiefscafan
11-09-2014, 10:30 AM
Man I'm screwed I wanted to draft Wilson but I was too late posting it that year so I had to take chief picks. Geno has been a flop and AJ is on IR I still believe in him and if dalton has more games like Thursday he can take that job next season.

Rain Man
11-17-2014, 09:02 PM
Man I'm screwed I wanted to draft Wilson but I was too late posting it that year so I had to take chief picks. Geno has been a flop and AJ is on IR I still believe in him and if dalton has more games like Thursday he can take that job next season.


Early returns on my draft this year are disastrous. That's what I get for investing in non-skill positions.