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luv
03-22-2009, 07:49 PM
Okay, so which one of us went trolling in the KU thread?

luv
03-22-2009, 07:50 PM
That would be fucking insanity. I have both KU and MU losing in the Sweet Sixteen... so who knows.

Today was an incredible couple of games for KU/MU fans. I was a HUGE fan of Marquette today...

Good luck vs. Memphis, if you all beat them... you can think about a F4 or the 'ship...

I missed yesterday's game, but, if they play anything like they did in their first round game, I think we'd stand a good chance.

DJ's left nut
03-22-2009, 07:52 PM
Tip o' the cap to Kim English, kid reminds me more of Rickie Paulding every game. He'll be leading our tourney runs as a JR and Sr.

How Lyons put together the linescore he did is beyond me. He played like ass. He was horrid in every facet of the game. He made one nice little reverse layup (after being fouled roughly 213 times on the way to the hoop) and otherwise played ole' defense and made me curse his family. Same story with Lawrence, another awful game with a respectable line score. Carroll, on the other hand, had a mediocre line but a great game. Exhibit A when explaining to folks that the box-score doesn't tell the entire story.

Finally, to the folks that were trying to give the refs a pass by saying Mizzou's defense was what was really hurting them, just exactly how did you expect them to man up? Every single time they bothered playing defense, they where whistled. There's no way for them to play pressure defense if all that's going to do is get Marquette to the line. They're not a help defense team that can deal with that by having guys come in late to clean up.

From a purely technical standpoint, it was absolutely impossible for them to play defense with their system and how that game was called. Granted, dipshit things like failing to box out and really remarkably stupid fouls like the one Lyons pulled on the breakaway didn't do them any favors, but that happens; they're still college kids. Ultimately they were up shits creek with the system they run once the refs got whistle-happy. I can't hold that against 'em.

Huge credit to these guys for keeping their heads up and plugging along when things were looking rough.

P.S. Fuck you Buzz Williams. Die of ass cancer.

DJ's left nut
03-22-2009, 07:55 PM
A pic from last time Anderson was in the sweet 16.


Wonder of wonders, another butt-lucky Kansas team that managed to face up a mid-major in the sweet 16.

Maybe someday y'all will actually have to beat someone in the tournament, I kinda doubt it.

Darth CarlSatan
03-22-2009, 07:56 PM
Look ma, a douchebag!!

ROFL

ArrowheadHawk
03-22-2009, 07:57 PM
Wonder of wonders, another butt-lucky Kansas team that managed to face up a mid-major in the sweet 16.

Maybe someday y'all will actually have to beat someone in the tournament, I kinda doubt it.
And maybe your players will have to shoot their own free throws.

beer bacon
03-22-2009, 07:59 PM
And maybe your players will have to shoot their own free throws.

I do hope that we don't make a habit out of subbing in 68% free throw shooting freshmen for 76% shooting juniors.

Bearcat
03-22-2009, 07:59 PM
I missed yesterday's game, but, if they play anything like they did in their first round game, I think we'd stand a good chance.

Kansas shot 50% against NDS and only had 5 turnovers. If that happened vs. Mizzou, Kansas would win by 40. That's no smack.. Mizzou needs extra possessions, and they wouldn't survive a game only getting 5 turnovers.

Now, if Kansas played like they did today... shooting 40% and 17 TOs... that's up Mizzou's alley, even though Aldrich's triple-double wouldn't have helped the Tigers.

Sure-Oz
03-22-2009, 07:59 PM
And maybe your players will have to shoot their own free throws.

we replaced a 76% shooter with a 68% shooter:spock: Strategughhhhreeeyyy

luv
03-22-2009, 07:59 PM
And maybe your players will have to shoot their own free throws.

Why are you so butt sore about us winning? It's not like we were playing you guys?

luv
03-22-2009, 08:00 PM
Kansas shot 50% against NDS and only had 5 turnovers. If that happened vs. Mizzou, Kansas would win by 40. That's no smack.. Mizzou needs extra possessions, and they wouldn't survive a game only getting 5 turnovers.

Now, if Kansas played like they did today... shooting 40% and 17 TOs... that's up Mizzou's alley, even though Aldrich's triple-double wouldn't have helped the Tigers.

I was referring to Memphis.

DJ's left nut
03-22-2009, 08:01 PM
And maybe your players will have to shoot their own free throws.

We put in a freshman with a worse FT% than the guy we sat. Kid hadn't hit a shot in the 2nd half and spent most of his time on the bench.

Yeah, surely a strategic move.

Dipshit beaker.

Darth CarlSatan
03-22-2009, 08:01 PM
And maybe your players will have to shoot their own free throws.

Oooooohhhh! Everybody hide your women and children; ol' "One And Out Nation" gettin' cranky!:eek:

Bearcat
03-22-2009, 08:02 PM
Maybe someday y'all will actually have to beat someone in the tournament, I kinda doubt it.

Seriously? LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO

A smack fail that makes all previous epic failures irrelevant. This post should be stickied in the HoC.



Wow.

ArrowheadHawk
03-22-2009, 08:04 PM
Wow you guys sure are defending that point obnoxiously loud. Why did he check right back in after the FT's?

Bearcat
03-22-2009, 08:04 PM
I was referring to Memphis.

Heh... I missed Ari's reference to Memphis. It'll be a fun game, that's for sure... hopefully the refs let them play.

luv
03-22-2009, 08:04 PM
Seriously? LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO

A smack fail that makes all previous epic failures irrelevant. This post should be stickied in the HoC.



Wow.

Heh. ArrowheadHawk is being a dipshit troll for no reason. Let that one slide, huh?

luv
03-22-2009, 08:05 PM
Wow you guys sure are defending that point obnoxiously loud. Why did he check right back in after the FT's?

Why are you bitching?

beer bacon
03-22-2009, 08:06 PM
Wow you guys sure are defending that point obnoxiously loud. Why did he check right back in after the FT's?

Because he felt fine. He has a hurt hand he fell on, but he was fine to play defense. What possible advantage is there in subbing in a 68% free throw shooting freshman for a nails 76% shooting junior. Tiller had just sunk two free throws.

Bearcat
03-22-2009, 08:06 PM
Heh. ArrowheadHawk is being a dipshit troll for no reason. Let that one slide, huh?

I would have let 'B' smack slide in that situation.

That's how bad it was. ;)

ArrowheadHawk
03-22-2009, 08:06 PM
Heh. ArrowheadHawk is being a dipshit troll for no reason. Let that one slide, huh?

Troll. Wow, all I was doing was being "smart". You guys just took it wrong.

Spott
03-22-2009, 08:06 PM
And maybe your players will have to shoot their own free throws.


Look, a pic of the last time you weren't a douche.























Sorry, couldn't find any pics of that.

Sure-Oz
03-22-2009, 08:07 PM
Wow you guys sure are defending that point obnoxiously loud. Why did he check right back in after the FT's?

You think Tiller's really scared to shoot 2 ft's?

DJ's left nut
03-22-2009, 08:07 PM
Wow you guys sure are defending that point obnoxiously loud. Why did he check right back in after the FT's?

Because a sore wrist keeps you from shooting, it doesn't keep you from defending.

How is a difficult point to grasp? Oh that's right, you're a fuckwit.

wild1
03-22-2009, 08:07 PM
and yet again. a Missouri topic eventually occupied by jayhawk fans wetting their pull-ups...

Darth CarlSatan
03-22-2009, 08:07 PM
Why are you so butt sore about us winning? It's not like we were playing you guys?

And I thought the football supporters displayed the highest level of Ulta-Midol Syndrome!ROFL

This MU basketball team has really put a crimp in the pride of the Beaker Nation, and I love it.

luv
03-22-2009, 08:08 PM
Troll. Wow, all I was doing was being "smart". You guys just took it wrong.

No, you're being a troll.

|Zach|
03-22-2009, 08:08 PM
And maybe your players will have to shoot their own free throws.

This point is being defended because it is an obvious cheap and stupid jab. No reason not to try and toss bags of stupid when they are put in a thread by people like yourself.

luv
03-22-2009, 08:08 PM
And I thought the football supporters displayed the highest level of Ulta-Midol Syndrome!ROFL

This MU basketball team has really put a crimp in the pride of the Beaker Nation, and I love it.

I'd loan him some of mine, but they're in my desk drawer at work.

Mosbonian
03-22-2009, 08:09 PM
And maybe your players will have to shoot their own free throws.

You really are showing your lack of knowledge of the game....I think everyone has pointed out your inability to understand FT %'s..even better is your lack of understanding of the rules of the game.

mmaddog
*******

Darth CarlSatan
03-22-2009, 08:10 PM
Look, a pic of the last time you weren't a douche.
























Sorry, couldn't find any pics of that.

ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL

Ladies and Gentlemen; your slam of the day. :thumb:

ArrowheadHawk
03-22-2009, 08:10 PM
No, you're being a troll.

I'm sorry I will try not to post any jabs at your precious Mizzou team. Bunch o' sand in your vagines.

luv
03-22-2009, 08:12 PM
I'm sorry I will try not to post any jabs at your precious Mizzou team. Bunch o' sand in your vagines.

There was zero need for it. If you can't handle that fact that we won, then go stroke the egos of others in the KU thread. Let us do our celebrating.

Reerun_KC
03-22-2009, 08:12 PM
So I take it MU won?

wild1
03-22-2009, 08:12 PM
vagines.

is that a french dessert or something?

|Zach|
03-22-2009, 08:13 PM
I'm sorry I will try not to post any jabs at your precious Mizzou team. Bunch o' sand in your vagines.

Dude c'mon. There are tons of threads for KU\MU smack yet you decide to be a total douchebag on an MU thread after a game where people are enjoying a win?

There are tons of chances for smack and rivalry...and then there is just being a fucktard.

ArrowheadHawk
03-22-2009, 08:14 PM
is that a french dessert or something?

Something like that.

beer bacon
03-22-2009, 08:14 PM
The same douchebags do this after every game, and then get defensive when they are called on it.

|Zach|
03-22-2009, 08:15 PM
The same douchebags do this after every game, and then get defensive when they are called on it.

Passive aggressive bullshit.

ArrowheadHawk
03-22-2009, 08:16 PM
Dude c'mon. There are tons of threads for KU\MU smack yet you decide to be a total douchebag on an MU thread after a game where people are enjoying a win?

There are tons of chances for smack and rivalry...and then there is just being a ****tard.

I apologize, I didn't realize you all were so touchy tonight. I actually don't care if MU wins in the tourney as long as they don't make the final four. It's good for the big 12.

DJ's left nut
03-22-2009, 08:16 PM
The same douchebags do this after every game, and then get defensive when they are called on it.

Is the plural necessary?

It's pretty much the same one every time.

Reerun_KC
03-22-2009, 08:16 PM
So I take it MU won?

Suck it KU fan, you just go to ESPN if you want that kind of information...

beer bacon
03-22-2009, 08:17 PM
I apologize, I didn't realize you all were so touchy tonight. I actually don't care if MU wins in the tourney as long as they don't make the final four. It's good for the big 12.

Shut the fuck up already. Everyone already knows where you are coming from.

|Zach|
03-22-2009, 08:17 PM
I apologize, I didn't realize you all were so touchy tonight. I actually don't care if MU wins in the tourney as long as they don't make the final four. It's good for the big 12.

Yea yea...play stupid.

Take your passive aggressive act somewhere else douchebag.

Bearcat
03-22-2009, 08:18 PM
Suck it KU fan, you just go to ESPN if you want that kind of information...

lol

ArrowheadHawk
03-22-2009, 08:18 PM
Yea yea...play stupid.

Take your passive aggressive act somewhere else douchebag.

Show me a post where I showed that I gave a damn?

Frazod
03-22-2009, 08:18 PM
I'm sorry I will try not to post any jabs at your precious Mizzou team. Bunch o' sand in your vagines.

I don't think anyone cares what you do, cockchugger. Much like your pal CoMo, at this point, it's not like anyone is shocked by your behavior. Nobody will say "Gee, ArrowheadHawk's normally such a decent guy, what the fuck is wrong with him tonight?" No, that ship has sailed.

Now if you could go a couple of days without acting like a butthurt, sniping piece of shit, that might surprise us.

beer bacon
03-22-2009, 08:19 PM
Show me a post where I showed that I gave a damn?

Do we really have to drag up all your posts in this thread?

ArrowheadHawk
03-22-2009, 08:19 PM
I don't think anyone cares what you do, cockchugger. Much like your pal CoMo, at this point, it's not like anyone is shocked by your behavior. Nobody will say "Gee, ArrowheadHawk's normally such a decent guy, what the **** is wrong with him tonight?" No, that ship has sailed.

Now if you could go a couple of days without acting like a butthurt, sniping piece of shit, that might surprise us.

:clap: You guys wanted a douche and he arrived.

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-22-2009, 08:20 PM
Something like that.

Can someone please airlift this fuck to Pedif Isle?

ArrowheadHawk
03-22-2009, 08:21 PM
Can someone please airlift this **** to Pedif Isle?

Kill yourself.

Reerun_KC
03-22-2009, 08:23 PM
Frazod.....


Mike Anderson is an amazing coach, to take that team to the SS is awesome.... IF anything he wins one more game and he should have the court named after him.

Mike Anderson > Norm Stewart... By a 100 miles, not even close...

Frazod
03-22-2009, 08:24 PM
:clap: You guys wanted a douche and he arrived.

Well, the douche showed up. But none of us wanted you. Much like every other day of your useless fucking life, I'm sure.

Sorry.

ArrowheadHawk
03-22-2009, 08:25 PM
Well, the douche showed up. But none of us wanted you. Much like every other day of your useless ****ing life, I'm sure.

Sorry.
You should talk you worthless piece of shit.

Frazod
03-22-2009, 08:25 PM
Frazod.....


Mike Anderson is an amazing coach, to take that team to the SS is awesome.... IF anything he wins one more game and he should have the court named after him.

Mike Anderson > Norm Stewart... By a 100 miles, not even close...

That's nice to know. Thanks.

luv
03-22-2009, 08:26 PM
You should talk you worthless piece of shit.

He's being a douche to someone who came in here acting like one.

Darth CarlSatan
03-22-2009, 08:27 PM
I don't think anyone cares what you do, cockchugger. Much like your pal CoMo, at this point, it's not like anyone is shocked by your behavior. Nobody will say "Gee, ArrowheadHawk's normally such a decent guy, what the fuck is wrong with him tonight?" No, that ship has sailed.

Now if you could go a couple of days without acting like a butthurt, sniping piece of shit, that might surprise us.

Frazod, a question of intellectual honesty if you will:

Do you believe it is possible that Anderson could begin to out-snag Self in terms of collecting the most sought after talent?

Not necessarily immediately, but over a period of say, two to three years? I believe it's very possible.

Back in August, no one here believed that MU would accomplish what they've accomplished, and yet here we are.

Now you tell ME who Sporting News Coach of the Year should be.

luv
03-22-2009, 08:27 PM
That's nice to know. Thanks.

LOL

I love that you really don't even watch basketball, but these guys are making sure you're the one they try to talk to.

Sure-Oz
03-22-2009, 08:27 PM
SO............

What an awesome win by MU tonight!

|Zach|
03-22-2009, 08:27 PM
You should talk you worthless piece of shit.

I have no idea what could have made someone think you give a shit.

ROFL @ MU fans in this thread living under AH's skin.

Reerun_KC
03-22-2009, 08:27 PM
That's nice to know. Thanks.

This isnt the most talent team in MU history, Norm did less with more... Anderson is taking this team deep, color me impressed.

I can see "if" Anderson stays, gets recruits that he could put a FF team on the court in the next 5 years...

Its hurts to say it, but its true....

Frazod
03-22-2009, 08:28 PM
You should talk you worthless piece of shit.

LMAO Aww, the trolling little fag doesn't like me. Whatever will I do?

Reerun_KC
03-22-2009, 08:28 PM
LOL

I love that you really don't even watch basketball, but these guys are making sure you're the one they try to talk to.

:shrug:

I dont understand? was that a back handed comment or something?

ArrowheadHawk
03-22-2009, 08:29 PM
I have no idea what could have made someone think you give a shit.

ROFL @ MU fans in this thread living under AH's skin.

No not fans just frazod. And your starting.

|Zach|
03-22-2009, 08:29 PM
No not fans just frazod. And your starting.

ROFL

Sure.

ArrowheadHawk
03-22-2009, 08:29 PM
LMAO Aww, the trolling little pillowbiter doesn't like me. Whatever will I do?
Ask your buddy Hamas. Kill Yourself.

DeezNutz
03-22-2009, 08:30 PM
Frazod, a question of intellectual honesty if you will:

Do you believe it is possible that Anderson could begin to out-snag Self in terms of collecting the most sought after talent?

Not necessarily immediately, but over a period of say, two to three years? I believe it's very possible.

Back in August, no one here believed that MU would accomplish what they've accomplished, and yet here we are.

Now you tell ME who Sporting News Coach of the Year should be.

You're talking crazy, DCS.

MU is going to be as successful out-recruiting KU in basketball as they are out-recruiting USC in football.

Doesn't mean that MU can't have consistently strong programs in both sports and even steal the occasional recruit or two. But they're not going to become one of the 5 or so traditional powers.

|Zach|
03-22-2009, 08:30 PM
http://cdn0.sbnation.com/fan_shot_images/38476/espn_kimmie.jpg

luv
03-22-2009, 08:30 PM
Ask your buddy Hamas. Kill Yourself.

So, why are you in here? You certainly cannot say frazod started it.

ArrowheadHawk
03-22-2009, 08:31 PM
So, why are you in here? You certainly cannot say frazod started it.
I was just jabbing a little and you fuckers went postal on me.

luv
03-22-2009, 08:32 PM
I was just jabbing a little and you fuckers went postal on me.

And, yet, here you still are.

|Zach|
03-22-2009, 08:32 PM
I was just jabbing a little and you ****ers went postal on me.

Postal? Now you are being dramatic. We were just calling a douchebag a douchebag. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Frazod
03-22-2009, 08:32 PM
Ask your buddy Hamas. Kill Yourself.

Advice you should take yourself. I absolutely guarantee that nobody of any importance will miss you.

Priest31kc
03-22-2009, 08:33 PM
Has anyone been over to the Marquette scout board?? Unbelievable. A bunch of pathetic sore losers.

Sure-Oz
03-22-2009, 08:34 PM
Now if you technically told someone to kill themself and they did...would you be arrested like that bitch that harrassed the girl on myspace that killed herself?

DeezNutz
03-22-2009, 08:35 PM
Has anyone been over to the Marquette scout board?? Unbelievable. A bunch of pathetic sore losers.

If a hand check foul hadn't allowed them to tie the game, they'd have a more legit complaint about calling stepping over the end line.

Yeah, it was a chickenshit call. Too bad they benefited from one just seconds before. Shit works both ways.

Frazod
03-22-2009, 08:35 PM
No not fans just frazod. And your starting.

LMAO You are such a fucking idiot.

I'm not a basketball guy. I haven't talked a bit of smack towards any KU fan in any KU thread, nor did I say anything negative about them today. And besides, your assholishness and idiocy have little to do with a bunch of kids playing basketball.

DeezNutz
03-22-2009, 08:35 PM
Now if you technically told someone to kill themself and they did...would you be arrested like that bitch that harrassed the girl on myspace that killed herself?

Banyon and I are already preparing the necessary documents. You weren't supposed to spill the beans.

Frazod
03-22-2009, 08:35 PM
Now if you technically told someone to kill themself and they did...would you be arrested like that bitch that harrassed the girl on myspace that killed herself?

I'm willing to risk it. :evil:

luv
03-22-2009, 08:36 PM
Has anyone been over to the Marquette scout board?? Unbelievable. A bunch of pathetic sore losers.

They're probably taking on the mentality of their coach. That dude was pissed. I'm surprised they didn't give him a technical. I'm shocked he even shook anyone's hand after the game. He barely did.

Sure-Oz
03-22-2009, 08:37 PM
Banyon and I are already preparing the necessary documents. You weren't supposed to spill the beans.

ROFL

Sure-Oz
03-22-2009, 08:37 PM
I'm willing to risk it. :evil:

You are the debbil:evil:

Darth CarlSatan
03-22-2009, 08:38 PM
ROFL

The Joker Mojo keeps on rolling! :thumb:

Reerun_KC
03-22-2009, 08:39 PM
Thanks Luv for replying to my question?

Sure-Oz
03-22-2009, 08:45 PM
The Joker Mojo keeps on rolling! :thumb:

hell yes!!:D

luv
03-22-2009, 08:47 PM
Thanks Luv for replying to my question?

Sorry. You're not the one ating retarded. You guys (in general) just get so up in arms about what frazod says or thinks. I just thought it was funny that he could still get under AH's skin, when he doesn't even watch basketball.

luv
03-22-2009, 08:48 PM
So I take it MU won?

Oh, and yes.

PastorMikH
03-22-2009, 08:49 PM
FWIW, I'm more concerned with us having a big lead at half than I am seeing us down by a lot at half. I've seen us come back from being down, I've also seen us blow a big lead.



Looks like I had a legit concern when I posted this at halftime. We had a nice lead, let them back in, barely pulled out the W.

Frazod
03-22-2009, 08:50 PM
Sorry. You're not the one ating retarded. You guys (in general) just get so up in arms about what frazod says or thinks. I just thought it was funny that he could still get under AH's skin, when he doesn't even watch basketball.

The funny thing is, I get along with almost all of them.

Reerun_KC
03-22-2009, 08:50 PM
Sorry. You're not the one ating retarded. You guys (in general) just get so up in arms about what frazod says or thinks. I just thought it was funny that he could still get under AH's skin, when he doesn't even watch basketball.

I was being sincere...

Mizzou_8541
03-22-2009, 08:52 PM
I just got here and I see there are 580ish posts. Let me guess what so many posts are about....we cheated...refs gave it to us...substituting a 68% FT shooter for a 75% FT shooter was classless...his foot wasn't over the line..., etc, etc. Am I right?

Braincase
03-22-2009, 08:53 PM
Congrats to Mizzou. In a tourney where 75% of the field is cut the first weekend, the Big 12 rolls 3 of 6 into the Sweet 16. Better than average.

Bowser
03-22-2009, 08:54 PM
I just got here and I see there are 580ish posts. Let me guess what so many posts are about....we cheated...refs gave it to us...substituting a 68% FT shooter for a 75% FT shooter was classless...his foot wasn't over the line..., etc, etc. Am I right?

Pretty much, and a few KU fans miffed that we actually won.

DJ's left nut
03-22-2009, 08:54 PM
Frazod, a question of intellectual honesty if you will:

Do you believe it is possible that Anderson could begin to out-snag Self in terms of collecting the most sought after talent?

Not necessarily immediately, but over a period of say, two to three years? I believe it's very possible.

Back in August, no one here believed that MU would accomplish what they've accomplished, and yet here we are.

Now you tell ME who Sporting News Coach of the Year should be.

I hate giving anything KU credit, but Self is arguably the best recruiter in the nation.

I don't think MU will ever be pulling 'better' recruits than KU. KU will always be able to get the guys that are ranked higher by scout, more McD's All-Americans, more Rivals top 100's, especially when they have Self making the pitch.

The key will be for Anderson to get guys that turn out as good or better. He'll need to coach them up more and simply unearth more 'finds' than KU. Think of what Pinkel's done for the football team, finding some underrated players like Moore, Weatherspoon and Daniel. That's what Anderson will have to do. He'll need to find kids that fit his system that have been underrated and thus underrecruited.

English is a prime example. He's a guy that recieved pretty mediocre scouting grades and consequently wasn't chased by the KUs and Dukes of the world. He'll need to end up challenging for all-Big XII honors by his Jr and Sr years, and he'll need to have guys like that right behind him in the pipe, if MU hopes to consistently challenge as a national power.

It's a tall chore, we'll see if Anderson's up to it.

BWillie
03-22-2009, 09:00 PM
I just got here and I see there are 580ish posts. Let me guess what so many posts are about....we cheated...refs gave it to us...substituting a 68% FT shooter for a 75% FT shooter was classless...his foot wasn't over the line..., etc, etc. Am I right?

Yeah I didn't really see what the crowd was whining about. JT Tiller was a better shooter than the guy they put in, English if my memory serves correct. That would be like subbing Sherron Collins and putting in Tyshawn Taylor to shoot free throws.

That crossing the inbound line call was dumb though. It wouldn't have changed the game I don't think, but it could of. That is a no call in the final minutes, especially when it's something minor. Hell, that is always a no call. You know how many times I've seen any of KU guys do that, or teams that run after a made shot ie Carolina do that? All the time. It's NEVER called.

|Zach|
03-22-2009, 09:02 PM
Yeah I didn't really see what the crowd was whining about. JT Tiller was a better shooter than the guy they put in, English if my memory serves correct. That would be like subbing Sherron Collins and putting in Tyshawn Taylor to shoot free throws.

That crossing the inbound line call was dumb though. It wouldn't have changed the game I don't think, but it could of. That is a no call in the final minutes, especially when it's something minor. Hell, that is always a no call. You know how many times I've seen any of KU guys do that, or teams that run after a made shot ie Carolina do that? All the time. It's NEVER called.

More than that...English is a freshman who hadn't shot a FT all game. Tiller was 4-6 from the line.

PastorMikH
03-22-2009, 09:07 PM
Frazod, a question of intellectual honesty if you will:

Do you believe it is possible that Anderson could begin to out-snag Self in terms of collecting the most sought after talent?





If you would allow me to answer...

On this one, Anderson may get a few, but I think Self has several advantages when it comes to landing the top talent.

-School Tradition is big IMO when it comes to atracting talent. Missouri has been good for many years (minus the Quin years) but as much as I hate kansas, I have to admit they have been among the elite numerous times throughout the years tradition-wise

-I also think that top talent wants minutes and stats. Our best player plays less than 2/3 of the game. In Anderson's system, it seems that there are no real stars, it's a team. IMO top talent won't get the minutes that many want to play.

-And, no matter how good the player is, if he opts for MU over KU, according to KU fans, the player really wasn't up to the level of all the hype he got anyway.:p


However, I don't think Anderson really needs top shelf talent with his system. I think he'd rather have 8-10 really good players than one or two top talent players and a bench that contains a lot of scrubs.

Darth CarlSatan
03-22-2009, 09:14 PM
If you would allow me to answer...

On this one, Anderson may get a few, but I think Self has several advantages when it comes to landing the top talent.

-School Tradition is big IMO when it comes to atracting talent. Missouri has been good for many years (minus the Quin years) but as much as I hate kansas, I have to admit they have been among the elite numerous times throughout the years tradition-wise

-I also think that top talent wants minutes and stats. Our best player plays less than 2/3 of the game. In Anderson's system, it seems that there are no real stars, it's a team. IMO top talent won't get the minutes that many want to play.

-And, no matter how good the player is, if he opts for MU over KU, according to KU fans, the player really wasn't up to the level of all the hype he got anyway.:p


However, I don't think Anderson really needs top shelf talent with his system. I think he'd rather have 8-10 really good players than one or two top talent players and a bench that contains a lot of scrubs.

That'll work too.

Must be nice to have the Roy Williams Legacy coming in to a new job as the Coach at KU.

PastorMikH
03-22-2009, 09:20 PM
Frazod.....


Mike Anderson is an amazing coach, to take that team to the SS is awesome.... IF anything he wins one more game and he should have the court named after him.

Mike Anderson > Norm Stewart... By a 100 miles, not even close...


I'm pretty high on Mike Anderson right now, but Norm put this team on the map. You have got to consider what Norm did for this program. MU was mediocre to bad for many years - for most of their history in fact. Norm came in and turned things around. He put together a consistent winner and built a program that could lure upper level talent. Norm's two faults that I could see were his conservative play that led to loses in the big dance and he usually had a down year or two every 3-4 years - almost like they didn't work as hard at recruiting when they had talent.

That said, today Anderson got his 30th W - something Norm never did. IMO from this day forward, Anderson walks in his own shoes, Norm's are put away for good. But, before I say Anderson is WAY better than Norm, Anderson needs to put a bunch of winning seasons together at MU and take MU to and keep them at a higher level of success than Norm ever did.


I'm just SOOOO thankful that Anderson has turned out to be one that we compare to Norm and not one we compare with Quin.

DeezNutz
03-22-2009, 09:21 PM
I hate giving anything KU credit, but Self is arguably the best recruiter in the nation.

I don't think MU will ever be pulling 'better' recruits than KU. KU will always be able to get the guys that are ranked higher by scout, more McD's All-Americans, more Rivals top 100's, especially when they have Self making the pitch.

The key will be for Anderson to get guys that turn out as good or better. He'll need to coach them up more and simply unearth more 'finds' than KU. Think of what Pinkel's done for the football team, finding some underrated players like Moore, Weatherspoon and Daniel. That's what Anderson will have to do. He'll need to find kids that fit his system that have been underrated and thus underrecruited.

English is a prime example. He's a guy that recieved pretty mediocre scouting grades and consequently wasn't chased by the KUs and Dukes of the world. He'll need to end up challenging for all-Big XII honors by his Jr and Sr years, and he'll need to have guys like that right behind him in the pipe, if MU hopes to consistently challenge as a national power.

It's a tall chore, we'll see if Anderson's up to it.

Self is the top coach in the country, no question.

Outside of the top 5 (UNC, KU, UCLA, etc.), I'd say a great model that all other programs should aspire to would be Memphis. This is a program driven by having a top-tier coach. When JP leaves, I'm guessing they will regress substantially.

DeezNutz
03-22-2009, 09:24 PM
That'll work too.

Must be nice to have the Roy Williams Legacy coming in to a new job as the Coach at KU.

And the Brown legacy, and the Manning legacy, and the Wilt legacy, and the Phog legacy.

Seriously, this isn't the argument that MU fans want to have...

Darth CarlSatan
03-22-2009, 09:29 PM
And the Brown legacy, and the Manning legacy, and the Wilt legacy, and the Phog legacy.

Seriously, this isn't the argument that MU fans want to have...


Meh. Just win.

DeezNutz
03-22-2009, 09:32 PM
Meh. Just win.

And they should.

MU is one of the few universities that should be highly competitive in both of the major sports: football and basketball. Year in and year out, they have the facilities and the financial backing that they *should* field top 25 programs consistently.

Not many can say this about BOTH sports.

KU would like to make a claim for this with football, but I don't see this as realistic.

Darth CarlSatan
03-22-2009, 09:38 PM
And they should.

MU is one of the few universities that should be highly competitive in both of the major sports: football and basketball. Year in and year out, they have the facilities and the financial backing that they *should* field top 25 programs consistently.

Not many can say this about BOTH sports.

KU would like to make a claim for this with football, but I don't see this as realistic.

Pinkel needs to turn a corner though, he's got a LOT of work to do before MU can start branching out beyond the 12.

As far as basketball goes, I'm content with screwing up KU's seed if nothing else during the lean seasons.

Skip Towne
03-22-2009, 09:43 PM
And they should.

MU is one of the few universities that should be highly competitive in both of the major sports: football and basketball. Year in and year out, they have the facilities and the financial backing that they *should* field top 25 programs consistently.

Not many can say this about BOTH sports.

KU would like to make a claim for this with football, but I don't see this as realistic.

Then why has MU been consistently lacking in both sports for 50+ years? They have never been close to winning anything.

PastorMikH
03-22-2009, 09:47 PM
Pinkel needs to turn a corner though, he's got a LOT of work to do....



With all the changes that took place this offseason, the next 2 seasons will tell us what kind of HC Pinkel really is. Losing several key players, and assistants will make things intersting for him and the football program.

Darth CarlSatan
03-22-2009, 09:51 PM
With all the changes that took place this offseason, the next 2 seasons will tell us what kind of HC Pinkel really is. Losing several key players, and assistants will make things intersting for him and the football program.

I look forward to an interesting season. Of course, I look forward to football regardless.

Are you in Oklahoma?

PastorMikH
03-22-2009, 09:54 PM
I look forward to an interesting season. Of course, I look forward to football regardless.

Are you in Oklahoma?





Yep. Football is HUGE out here.

Skip Towne
03-22-2009, 09:55 PM
With all the changes that took place this offseason, the next 2 seasons will tell us what kind of HC Pinkel really is. Losing several key players, and assistants will make things intersting for him and the football program.

This is a good honest post. From a very good poster. I saw on another thread that DCS thinks MU will start stealing KU's BB recruits soon. That ignorance gets old fast.

DeezNutz
03-22-2009, 09:56 PM
Then why has MU been consistently lacking in both sports for 50+ years? They have never been close to winning anything.

Not talking about winning anything, necessarily. I'm talking about consistently being top 25 in both sports.

For as long as I can remember, MU has long been referred to as a "sleeping giant" because they have the financial wherewithal to make this happen. Not all universities do.

It could be that this potential is starting to be realized...

Darth CarlSatan
03-22-2009, 09:56 PM
Yep. Football is HUGE out here.

Oh believe me I know. That team in your sig is the rival of the town I spent( give or take )the first 15 years of my life in.

petegz28
03-22-2009, 09:57 PM
I believe I've called out Pete for being full of shit when whining about calls in every single game thread I've ever posted in. I rarely if ever get hung up in bitching about the officials.

However, that was absolutely, without question, the most poorly officiated game I have ever watched. The obvious disparities were alarming, really to the point of me questioning whether or not this was truly on the level. It got to the point where I stopped being angry about it and just kindof sat there dumbfounded (I believe I reached that point when we were called for a foul on a tie-up).

Huge credit to Mizzou for beating Marquette and the zebras tonight. That was awful.

Indeed. It was the most fucked up officiating I have seen.

Darth CarlSatan
03-22-2009, 09:59 PM
This is a good honest post. From a very good poster. I saw on another thread that DCS thinks MU will start stealing KU's BB recruits soon. That ignorance gets old fast.

I was asking a question. I don't spend my life cranking it over college basketball, so I needed some insight as to how certain things work.

Skip Towne
03-22-2009, 10:02 PM
I hate giving anything KU credit, but Self is arguably the best recruiter in the nation.

I don't think MU will ever be pulling 'better' recruits than KU. KU will always be able to get the guys that are ranked higher by scout, more McD's All-Americans, more Rivals top 100's, especially when they have Self making the pitch.

The key will be for Anderson to get guys that turn out as good or better. He'll need to coach them up more and simply unearth more 'finds' than KU. Think of what Pinkel's done for the football team, finding some underrated players like Moore, Weatherspoon and Daniel. That's what Anderson will have to do. He'll need to find kids that fit his system that have been underrated and thus underrecruited.

English is a prime example. He's a guy that recieved pretty mediocre scouting grades and consequently wasn't chased by the KUs and Dukes of the world. He'll need to end up challenging for all-Big XII honors by his Jr and Sr years, and he'll need to have guys like that right behind him in the pipe, if MU hopes to consistently challenge as a national power.

It's a tall chore, we'll see if Anderson's up to it.

Agreed. That's how Bill Snyder turned K-State into a football power. DCS suggests Anderson will start stealing Self's recruits. What a dunce he is.

Spott
03-22-2009, 10:03 PM
Indeed. It was the most fucked up officiating I have seen.

The officiating was pretty one sided. Up until the last minute of the game, Marquette had 33 FT attempts and Mizzou had 16 yet all you could hear at the end of the game was a bunch of booing by Marquette fans because the 35 second shot clock rule was enforced and the refs caught their guy stepping on the inbounds line with the ball.

luv
03-22-2009, 10:05 PM
It's funny. Football threads turn into basketball threads, and now basketball threads turn into football threads.

Darth CarlSatan
03-22-2009, 10:06 PM
Agreed. That's how Bill Snyder turned K-State into a football power. DCS suggests Anderson will start stealing Self's recruits. What a dunce he is.

I don't know shit about satellite dishes either crank-ass, but feel free to use your fucking Harvard PHD in trailer trash to hip me to the nuances!

petegz28
03-22-2009, 10:09 PM
The officiating was pretty one sided. Up until the last minute of the game, Marquette had 33 FT attempts and Mizzou had 16 yet all you could hear at the end of the game was a bunch of booing by Marquette fans because the 35 second shot clock rule was enforced and the refs caught their guy stepping on the inbounds line with the ball.

And the refs did call MU for a bullshit foul there late as well. They tried to get Marquette back in it but they actually missed one of their FT's.

Having said that, there were multiple non-calls on Marquette, like when Lawrence was under the basket and went up for the shot and 2 guys from Marquette mugged him and the ball went out of bounds and they called it to Marquette. A couple obvious travels were not called, a non-call on a charge, and then the quickess in which the whistle blew against MU. Aside from the foul on what should have been a jump ball, there was a break away where the Marquetee guy tripped over his own feet and they called us for a foul cause he slid, the whistle blew before he left his feet and yet it was a shooting foul. Complete bullshit.

I am not sure what the over\under or the line was on the game but it sure looked like the refs had an interest. And we know for a fact refs have had a vested interest in the past and this was the perfect type of game to try an pass that shit off.

Skip Towne
03-22-2009, 10:10 PM
As that fat UNLV coach once said "Recruiting BB recruits to KU is like recruiting drunks to a New Years Eve Party"

DeezNutz
03-22-2009, 10:13 PM
And the refs did call MU for a bullshit foul there late as well. They tried to get Marquette back in it but they actually missed one of their FT's.

Having said that, there were multiple non-calls on Marquette, like when Lawrence was under the basket and went up for the shot and 2 guys from Marquette mugged him and the ball went out of bounds and they called it to Marquette. A couple obvious travels were not called, a non-call on a charge, and then the quickess in which the whistle blew against MU. Aside from the foul on what should have been a jump ball, there was a break away where the Marquetee guy tripped over his own feet and they called us for a foul cause he slid, the whistle blew before he left his feet and yet it was a shooting foul. Complete bullshit.

I am not sure what the over\under or the line was on the game but it sure looked like the refs had an interest. And we know for a fact refs have had a vested interest in the past and this was the perfect type of game to try an pass that shit off.

This is the bullshit that gets old, though. The refs sucked shit. Just stop there. They weren't trying to "get Marq back into" anything.

The line was Mizzou -4. I'm sure Marq fans are arguing the exact same thing, that calls happened at the end so that Mizzou would cover.

petegz28
03-22-2009, 10:17 PM
This is the bullshit that gets old, though. The refs sucked shit. Just stop there. They weren't trying to "get Marq back into" anything.

The line was Mizzou -4. I'm sure Marq fans are arguing the exact same thing, that calls happened at the end so that Mizzou would cover.

You can say that all you want, but I think the majority of those on here who watched the game would agree with me on this game.

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-22-2009, 10:18 PM
Frazod, a question of intellectual honesty if you will:

Do you believe it is possible that Anderson could begin to out-snag Self in terms of collecting the most sought after talent?

Not necessarily immediately, but over a period of say, two to three years? I believe it's very possible.

Back in August, no one here believed that MU would accomplish what they've accomplished, and yet here we are.

Now you tell ME who Sporting News Coach of the Year should be.

No.

Most truly top level recruits do not want to play the kind of basketball that Anderson preaches. They don't want to play in a motion offense. They want to slackass on defense, get fed the ball every possession, isolate and drive, or shoot jumpers.

Think about Nolan Richardson's Arkansas teams. Who was the best player to ever come from there? Todd Day? Corliss Williamson? Oliver Miller's fatass? None of those guys were transcendental athletes by any stretch of the imagination.

Missouri will never out-recruit Self at KU. We'll never even have the level of talent that we had with Quin's first few classes, or Norm's better ones. But we will have teams that play much better as a team.

DeezNutz
03-22-2009, 10:19 PM
You can say that all you want, but I think the majority of those on here who watched the game would agree with me on this game.

That the refs sucked total balls? Absolutely.

But saying that they were purposely trying to alter the outcome of the game *for another team* calls for the tin hats.

You didn't address my point about the line (-4). This obviates your assertion.

Skip Towne
03-22-2009, 10:20 PM
This is the bullshit that gets old, though. The refs sucked shit. Just stop there. They weren't trying to "get Marq back into" anything.

The line was Mizzou -4. I'm sure Marq fans are arguing the exact same thing, that calls happened at the end so that Mizzou would cover.

Exactly right. In the first half Carroll obviously pushed a Marquette player in the back to prevent a layup. Nothing was called and the MU fans didn't mention it. But the announcers did. The refs don't see every foul. Bad calls go both ways but they are rarely the reason you pissed away a 16 point lead. Good teams overcome bad calls.

DeezNutz
03-22-2009, 10:21 PM
Exactly right. In the first half Carroll obviously pushed a Marquette player in the back to prevent a layup. Nothing was called and the MU fans didn't mention it. But the announcers did. The refs don't see every foul. Bad calls go both ways but they are rarely the reason you pissed away a 16 point lead. Good teams overcome bad calls.

I remember that play now that you mention it. Good example.

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-22-2009, 10:22 PM
Self is the top coach in the country, no question.

Outside of the top 5 (UNC, KU, UCLA, etc.), I'd say a great model that all other programs should aspire to would be Memphis. This is a program driven by having a top-tier coach. When JP leaves, I'm guessing they will regress substantially.

Calipari is the best coach in the country, IMO, followed quickly by Pitino.

petegz28
03-22-2009, 10:22 PM
That the refs sucked total balls? Absolutely.

But saying that they were purposely trying to alter the outcome of the game *for another team* is a level calls for the tin hats.

You didn't address my point about the line. This obviates your assertion.

Your had no point about the line. And you can say whatever you wish about my speculation. Based on the lopsidedness of the calls, particularly after MU jumped out to a lead would make one question. I never said they DID try to alter the outcome. I said it sure smelled like it and refs have done it in the past.

petegz28
03-22-2009, 10:22 PM
I remember that play now that you mention it. Good example.

Actually I think several of us, myself included said Carroll was lucky he didn't get called.

DeezNutz
03-22-2009, 10:23 PM
Your had no point about the line. And you can say whatever you wish about my speculation. Based on the lopsidedness of the calls, particularly after MU jumped out to a lead would make one question. I never said they DID try to alter the outcome. I said it sure smelled like it and refs have done it in the past.

No point? Yeah, stepping over the the line on the inbounds play gave Mizzou a chance to cover.

petegz28
03-22-2009, 10:23 PM
Exactly right. In the first half Carroll obviously pushed a Marquette player in the back to prevent a layup. Nothing was called and the MU fans didn't mention it. But the announcers did. The refs don't see every foul. Bad calls go both ways but they are rarely the reason you pissed away a 16 point lead. Good teams overcome bad calls.

Yes we did mention it. Nice try, Skippy.

petegz28
03-22-2009, 10:24 PM
No point? Yeah, stepping over the the line on the inbounds play gave Mizzou a chance to cover.

Dude it was so obvious they had to call it. Forget it man....thnk or say what you wish. I will just say that it was more obvious than a bunch of the fouls called on MU in the 2nd half.

DeezNutz
03-22-2009, 10:24 PM
Actually I think several of us, myself included said Carroll was lucky he didn't get called.

While the game was happening. Great. Big fucking deal.

The refs sucked shit today, dude. Quit pulling the victim card.

If Mizzou decided to D up and box out in the second half, the game wouldn't have been nearly as close.

DeezNutz
03-22-2009, 10:25 PM
Dude it was so obvious they had to call it. Forget it man....thnk or say what you wish. I will just say that it was more obvious than a bunch of the fouls called on MU in the 2nd half.

That's a typical no call.

Same as the hand check on Tiller.

It works both ways. The refs fucking sucked for both teams.

Spott
03-22-2009, 10:25 PM
I'm just happy that the refs actually saw Hayward step on the inbounds line before he made that pass. With all the fluke bad endings this school has seen(5th down, deflections, etc.), I could just see that Marquette player driving down court and knocking down a 3 pointer off the backboard to beat us had that ref not made the right call with 5 seconds left.

Mosbonian
03-22-2009, 10:26 PM
No.

Most truly top level recruits do not want to play the kind of basketball that Anderson preaches. They don't want to play in a motion offense. They want to slackass on defense, get fed the ball every possession, isolate and drive, or shoot jumpers.

Think about Nolan Richardson's Arkansas teams. Who was the best player to ever come from there? Todd Day? Corliss Williamson? Oliver Miller's fatass? None of those guys were transcendental athletes by any stretch of the imagination.

Missouri will never out-recruit Self at KU. We'll never even have the level of talent that we had with Quin's first few classes, or Norm's better ones. But we will have teams that play much better as a team.

Agreed...but I am (and I think this is what you are also saying) absolutely sold on watching this type of basketball. Mike Anderson has them playing as a team and thinking less about their own stats and more about team goals.

If we have several successful seasons like this with an eventual NC, I'll take all the "unwanted" recruits like these anytime.

mmaddog
*******

Skip Towne
03-22-2009, 10:27 PM
I remember that play now that you mention it. Good example.

You are one of few good sports I have met among MU fans. That game thread is an embarrassment to all of the Big XII. I'm sure not all Mizzou fans are that petty. You prove it. Rep

DeezNutz
03-22-2009, 10:27 PM
Calipari is the best coach in the country, IMO, followed quickly by Pitino.

I wouldn't put Pitino in the same class.

I'd listen to arguments for Calipari. But Self does everything you want: recruit, X & O, and get effort. Plus he's young.

This describes Cal, too, so it's a good debate.

Mosbonian
03-22-2009, 10:28 PM
If Mizzou decided to D up and box out in the second half, the game wouldn't have been nearly as close.

This...more than anything.

mmaddog
*******

petegz28
03-22-2009, 10:28 PM
While the game was happening. Great. Big ****ing deal.

The refs sucked shit today, dude. Quit pulling the victim card.

If Mizzou decided to D up and box out in the second half, the game wouldn't have been nearly as close.

I agree about the D. But kiss the fattest part of my ass on the crap about it being "during the game". You agreed with Skip that no MU fans said anything about it and we did. Now you tried to change your tune some.

Darth CarlSatan
03-22-2009, 10:29 PM
No.

Most truly top level recruits do not want to play the kind of basketball that Anderson preaches. They don't want to play in a motion offense. They want to slackass on defense, get fed the ball every possession, isolate and drive, or shoot jumpers.

Think about Nolan Richardson's Arkansas teams. Who was the best player to ever come from there? Todd Day? Corliss Williamson? Oliver Miller's fatass? None of those guys were transcendental athletes by any stretch of the imagination.

Missouri will never out-recruit Self at KU. We'll never even have the level of talent that we had with Quin's first few classes, or Norm's better ones. But we will have teams that play much better as a team.

So basically, KU will have first shot at "Aaron Curry", while Anderson( Pioli )bypasses the glamor boys and mines more "middle round talent" that can be coached and developed in to players that can have just as much, if not more impact.

Got it, and I like it.

Mosbonian
03-22-2009, 10:29 PM
You are one of few good sports I have met among MU fans. That game thread is an embarrassment to all of the Big XII. I'm sure not all Mizzou fans are that petty. You prove it. Rep

C'mon Skip....you're getting soft on all us "MuRons".. :)

mmaddog
*******

DeezNutz
03-22-2009, 10:30 PM
You are one of few good sports I have met among MU fans. That game thread is an embarrassment to all of the Big XII. I'm sure not all Mizzou fans are that petty. You prove it. Rep

Thanks, man.

In general I hate complaining about officials. I've been involved with athletics for a long time (through college), and it's just something you're taught to fight through as a player. You can't think about it.

Plus I've officiated a lot of sports; it's not easy. And basketball is particularly difficult.

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-22-2009, 10:31 PM
Agreed...but I am (and I think this is what you are also saying) absolutely sold on watching this type of basketball. Mike Anderson has them playing as a team and thinking less about their own stats and more about team goals.

If we have several successful seasons like this with an eventual NC, I'll take all the "unwanted" recruits like these anytime.

mmaddog
*******

It's absolutely a superior way to play in college, because your team doesn't need a Blake Griffin, or Michael Beasley to compete. It obviously has its drawbacks, but showings like this will help increase the profile of recruits that we do get, even if they aren't elite recruits. There is no reason why we can't have a sustained run like Arkansas did. Not that we definitely will, but it is definitely an attainable goal.

DeezNutz
03-22-2009, 10:32 PM
I agree about the D. But kiss the fattest part of my ass on the crap about it being "during the game". You agreed with Skip that no MU fans said anything about it and we did. Now you tried to change your tune some.

I didn't agree with him about what the fans said. You're inferring.

I said, "I remember that play...Good example."

Allow me to be more explicit: Good example about shitty calls going both ways.

I had/have no fucking clue what exactly was said in the middle of the thread, and I don't care enough to look.

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-22-2009, 10:32 PM
So basically, KU will have first shot at "Aaron Curry", while Anderson( Pioli )bypasses the glamor boys and mines more "middle round talent" that can be coached and developed in to players that can have just as much, if not more impact.

Got it, and I like it.

The nice thing about it is that you aren't going to have a lot of guys leaving school early.

The shitty thing is that you'll never have one guy to lean on when you absolutely have to have a basket.

petegz28
03-22-2009, 10:34 PM
I didn't agree with him about what the fans said. You're inferring.

I said, "I remember that play...Good example."

Allow me to be more explicit: Good example about shitty calls going both ways.

That's more like it....:evil:

DeezNutz
03-22-2009, 10:35 PM
The nice thing about it is that you aren't going to have a lot of guys leaving school early.

The shitty thing is that you'll never have one guy to lean on when you absolutely have to have a basket.

No go-to guy, which is true. But the system necessitates athletes. In crunch time, it's usually about getting to the rim, so this bodes well.

Just need someone with stones. Like an English, for example. How about a ****ing freshman stepping to the line?!? Wow.

Darth CarlSatan
03-22-2009, 10:38 PM
The nice thing about it is that you aren't going to have a lot of guys leaving school early.

The shitty thing is that you'll never have one guy to lean on when you absolutely have to have a basket.

It's a trade off to be sure, but it sounds like a better method for at least getting to the dances on a more consistent basis.

I guess the point I was trying to make earlier is that by being a consistently winning program, it might be a little easier to push prospects who might be "on the fence" over to your side of the yard.

Skip Towne
03-22-2009, 10:40 PM
I don't know shit about satellite dishes either crank-ass, but feel free to use your fucking Harvard PHD in trailer trash to hip me to the nuances!

I just suggest you STFU when you don't know what you are talking about which is most of the time.

DeezNutz
03-22-2009, 10:43 PM
It's a trade off to be sure, but it sounds like a better method for at least getting to the dances on a more consistent basis.

I guess the point I was trying to make earlier is that by being a consistently winning program, it might be a little easier to push prospects who might be "on the fence" over to your side of the yard.

Now this is true.

Anderson's number one priority needs to be to lock down his own state. If he can do this, he'll eventually land a top-tier guy, like that douche who plays for UNC.

petegz28
03-22-2009, 10:43 PM
It's a trade off to be sure, but it sounds like a better method for at least getting to the dances on a more consistent basis.

I guess the point I was trying to make earlier is that by being a consistently winning program, it might be a little easier to push prospects who might be "on the fence" over to your side of the yard.

It is. Some KU fans seem to think it impossible for someone to turn down KU to play at MU. If MU keeps it up then the chances of that possibility increase.

Darth CarlSatan
03-22-2009, 10:45 PM
I just suggest you STFU when you don't know what you are talking about which is most of the time.

And I think I'll ask questions when I damned well please.

Typical; a KanOkie beaker turns a perfectly good MU thread in to a big, steaming pile of Kansas.

Enough. I'm outta' this thread boys. Goodnight!

DJ's left nut
03-22-2009, 10:53 PM
I think MU will always try to grab a JUCO recruit or two that has been seen as that go-to guy in the past, even in an inferior program.

Zaire Taylor has the nads to take any shot with the game on the line b/c that's what he was asked to do with his JUCO squad. Granted, Taylor's not like Griffen in that he's not exactly a lead-pipe lock to make said shot, but he'll never be afraid to take it.

Ultimately, in college ball, I'll take a savvy PG over a 'go to' scorer every time. I think Anderson's system is so guard heavy that he'll never want for PG recruits. He'll have a strong stable of guards every season. That'll be enough to win you a lot of ballgames.

His major question mark is how well he'll be able to recruit big-men. It'll be the quality of the 4s and 5s on his club (really, two 4s) that will decide if his team is a top 4 in the Big XII, Sweet 16 style club, or just another of the fringe tournament teams we see live and die by their outside shooting every year.

The development of DeWitt and Moore (and Bowers and Ramsey), as well as the end result of the Jerrid Famous recruiting saga will tell us a lot about the long-term potential of this program.

Skip Towne
03-22-2009, 10:56 PM
No.

Most truly top level recruits do not want to play the kind of basketball that Anderson preaches. They don't want to play in a motion offense. They want to slackass on defense, get fed the ball every possession, isolate and drive, or shoot jumpers.

Think about Nolan Richardson's Arkansas teams. Who was the best player to ever come from there? Todd Day? Corliss Williamson? Oliver Miller's fatass? None of those guys were transcendental athletes by any stretch of the imagination.

Missouri will never out-recruit Self at KU. We'll never even have the level of talent that we had with Quin's first few classes, or Norm's better ones. But we will have teams that play much better as a team.

Now that you mention it, we ran into Richardson's "40 minutes of hell" in 1990. I think it was the regional finals. We had just moved freshman Adonis Jordan to point guard. KU proceeded to run Arkansas off the court. "Fatass" Oliver Miller didn't even go to the offensive end of the court the last few minutes. They thought throwing long passes equaled playing fast. They found out different. KU doesn't worry about 40 minutes of hell. Been there done that.

DeezNutz
03-22-2009, 11:01 PM
It's not a big secret, really.

Most national championship teams are going to have NBA talent on the roster, period. When Richardson won his, people can criticize the players now, but these were guys that played in the league.

Yeah, they typically weren't great NBAers, but this is beside the point.

If you don't have NBA talent in your program, you're probably not winning it all, barring a miracle.

Skip Towne
03-22-2009, 11:06 PM
It's not a big secret, really.

Most national championship teams are going to have NBA talent on the roster, period. When Richardson won his, people can criticize the players now, but these were guys that played in the league.

Yeah, they typically weren't great NBAers, but this is beside the point.

If you don't have NBA talent in your program, you're probably not winning it all, barring a miracle.

Most people don't know this but not a single player on Richardson's championship team graduated. That is the reason Arkansas fired him.

DeezNutz
03-22-2009, 11:08 PM
Most people don't know this but not a single player on Richardson's championship team graduated. That is the reason Arkansas fired him.

I knew his graduation rates were alarming, but didn't know this.

It's a double-edge sword, though, because any coaches job is to win games. Period. Thus they need the best talent, and these guys aren't staying a full 4...

DeezNutz
03-22-2009, 11:08 PM
Most people don't know this but not a single player on Richardson's championship team graduated. That is the reason Arkansas fired him.

I knew his graduation rates were alarming, but didn't know this.

It's a double-edge sword, though, because any coach's job is to win games. Period. Thus they need the best talent, and these guys aren't staying a full 4, so grad. rates start to become a bit misleading.

Ultra Peanut
03-22-2009, 11:18 PM
hay guise

Congrats on getting back to a bigger stage. I knew it would eventually happen under Mike Anderson.

I'm thinking we'll probably try to bring you guys down into a half-court kind of game, like we did at Tennessee. It's probably going to be incredibly ugly and also one of the best games of the round.

Skip Towne
03-22-2009, 11:20 PM
I knew his graduation rates were alarming, but didn't know this.

It's a double-edge sword, though, because any coach's job is to win games. Period. Thus they need the best talent, and these guys aren't staying a full 4, so grad. rates start to become a bit misleading.

Today it is but not so much then. When Arkansas confronted Richardson about it he told them he was running a BB team not an academic team. His salary was being paid not by the University but by an endowment association. His statement really pissed them off. They fired him. He sued them and lost Richardson is a total prick. Herzig told me he drives his golf cart clear up on the fringe of the greens when golfing. The rules don't apply to him. Fuck Nolan Richardson.

Coach
03-23-2009, 05:39 AM
Most people don't know this but not a single player on Richardson's championship team graduated. That is the reason Arkansas fired him.

False.

Arkansas fired him because he challenged the university and the fans of discrimation.

KC Jones
03-23-2009, 06:28 AM
Congrats on the win!

I tried to root against you, but I actually wanted you guys to win. Welcome back from the wilderness and good luck against Memphis.