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Buehler445
03-23-2009, 07:00 PM
What are your guys' thoughts?

I'm planning a bachelor party for my buddy in which we will be going to KC. He wants to stay out of strip clubs. We're going to go to a Royals game at 6:00 and I figured we'd eat some BBQ, tailgate (drink), and hit the game.

Jenson71
03-23-2009, 07:02 PM
The consensus is usually Famous Daves.

Buehler445
03-23-2009, 07:03 PM
The consensus is usually Famous Daves.

:cuss:

KcMizzou
03-23-2009, 07:04 PM
I'm a Gates guy.

Smokehouse has the best beans.

keg in kc
03-23-2009, 07:05 PM
Fiorella's or Oklahoma Joe's, depending on how far I feel like driving at the time.

Valiant
03-23-2009, 07:06 PM
It depends what type of meat you are eating.. Some have great pork, others suck.. Most have at least something that they are great at..

Jenson71
03-23-2009, 07:07 PM
Nobody grills em like Chili's though.

Seriously though, I've been to Fiorella's. They have great sides. I get the three combo - lamb, beef, pork. You get to watch them make it too!

Valiant
03-23-2009, 07:08 PM
The consensus is usually Famous Daves.

What consensus?? That is like saying applebees is great at at BBQ..

Jenson71
03-23-2009, 07:09 PM
What consensus?? That is like saying applebees is great at at BBQ..

Applebees -- that's what I meant.

Skip Towne
03-23-2009, 07:10 PM
Bryants. Best fries in the world.

keg in kc
03-23-2009, 07:11 PM
Applebees -- that's what I meant.Fuck you.

McRib!

BigVE
03-23-2009, 07:17 PM
Bryants. Best fries in the world.


How is that when considering which BBQ is the best your answer is Bryants NOT because of any of their meat products but because of their fries. I dont get it...when I go to a BBQ joint its ALL ABOUT THE MEAT. It's like saying you go to Gates because you "loves you some bread".

Skip Towne
03-23-2009, 07:20 PM
How is that when considering which BBQ is the best your answer is Bryants NOT because of any of their meat products but because of their fries. I dont get it...when I go to a BBQ joint its ALL ABOUT THE MEAT. It's like saying you go to Gates because you "loves you some bread".

Bryant's meat is great. Also they have the best fries. Gates serves frozen crinkly fries.

Simply Red
03-23-2009, 07:20 PM
I'm a Gates guy.

Smokehouse has the best beans.

that

Simply Red
03-23-2009, 07:20 PM
Bryant's meat is great. Also they have the best fries. Gates serves frozen crinkly fries.

ROFL /insider

Mr. Kotter
03-23-2009, 07:21 PM
Jack Stack, for upscale. Haywards for overall, everything's good. Gates for economy, and "atmosphere"...heh. JMHO

Jenson71
03-23-2009, 07:22 PM
**** you.

McRib!

Usually I get through about half of Fiorella's, then stop and save room for an after-meal special McRib.

DeezNutz
03-23-2009, 07:23 PM
First in with Masterpiece.

Jenson71
03-23-2009, 07:23 PM
I wonder if anyone has ever been banned because of an out of control bbq rib discussion or you didn't take it seriously enough.

kstater
03-23-2009, 07:25 PM
I'm an Oklahoma Joes fan myself.

KcMizzou
03-23-2009, 07:26 PM
I wonder if anyone has ever been banned because of an out of control bbq rib discussion or you didn't take it seriously enough.KC bbq is serious business.

You could try to be the first.

Jenson71
03-23-2009, 07:32 PM
I'd skip the ribs and check out the vegan menu at Blue Nile Cafe.

Those animals didn't ask to be stuck in 3'x3' pens all their short lives.

redhed
03-23-2009, 07:34 PM
Go to Arthur Bryant's. Get ribs.
Go to OK Joes in the gas station, get a pulled pork sammy.

Curiously enough, The Cigar Box has a solid rib din. Very good.

LOCOChief
03-23-2009, 07:38 PM
summit hickory pit burnt ends
winslows sausage
zarda beans
LC's spare and short ribs!!!!!!
I've been out of KC for 6 years now and these are the most missed.

petegz28
03-23-2009, 07:40 PM
The consensus is usually Famous Daves.

That place is NASTY! You should be slapped silly 3 times for even mentioning that place.

JASONSAUTO
03-23-2009, 07:41 PM
Go to Arthur Bryant's. Get ribs.
Go to OK Joes in the gas station, get a pulled pork sammy.

Curiously enough, The Cigar Box has a solid rib din. Very good.

gas station FTW

JASONSAUTO
03-23-2009, 07:41 PM
what about quick's? or rosedale? havent had either in a few years but they were great back in the day, and ed at quicks(earl too) are HUGE KU fans

petegz28
03-23-2009, 07:41 PM
I'm a Gates guy.

Smokehouse has the best beans.

1) GATES!
2) Jack Stack
3) Smokehouse

Goldmember
03-23-2009, 08:03 PM
Make three stops....Oklahoma Joe's for brisket.....Jack Stack's for ribs....Bryant's for fries Haven't tried Famous Dave's but maybe next time I'm in KC....where is it?

KCUnited
03-23-2009, 08:06 PM
Make three stops....Oklahoma Joe's for brisket.....Jack Stack's for ribs....Bryant's for fries Haven't tried Famous Dave's but maybe next time I'm in KC....where is it?
Believe there's one in Bakersfield, El Centro, Fresno, Gilroy, Long Beach. What part of CA do you stay?

Spott
03-23-2009, 08:13 PM
Go by the grocery store, buy some Gates sauce and then go eat at Jack Stack in Martin City with the sauce you just bought.

Goldmember
03-23-2009, 08:16 PM
Believe there's one in Bakersfield, El Centro, Fresno, Gilroy, Long Beach. What part of CA do you stay?

Never mind, I didn't realize Famous Dave's are all over the country. I've never heard of it, the closest one to me is about 45 minutes away in Tracy, CA

luv
03-23-2009, 08:17 PM
Talk Phil into having a BBQ.

petegz28
03-23-2009, 08:22 PM
Believe there's one in Bakersfield, El Centro, Fresno, Gilroy, Long Beach. What part of CA do you stay?

Famous Dave's sucks....

kysirsoze
03-23-2009, 08:24 PM
Bryants. For me the meat is great but what sets it apart from other great places is the sauce. I could drink the stuff straight but that's probably pretty unhealthy.

Burnt ends, BTW.

luv
03-23-2009, 08:24 PM
Famous Dave's sucks....

I don't think it completely sucks, but they definitely depend on sauce. They smother all of their meat in it.

macdawg
03-23-2009, 08:25 PM
Fiorella's Jack Stack or Oklahoma Joe's

KCUnited
03-23-2009, 08:25 PM
Famous Dave's sucks....
Agreed. That's why I felt the need to excenuate that it wasn't KC BBQ.

Fried Meat Ball!
03-23-2009, 08:25 PM
For me, Gates. But BBQ in KC is all about the burnt ends for me. And Jack Stack is "upscale" BBQ. It's BBQ for people who want to eat it with a fork.

And for the record, I've said it before: Jack Stack's burnt ends suck ass.

Boyceofsummer
03-23-2009, 08:25 PM
Go by the grocery store, buy some Gates sauce and then go eat at Jack Stack in Martin City with the sauce you just bought.

Funny. This is what we do at home. Good luck MU Tigers & my Hawks.

p.s. MU's victory was the best game I've seen all season. I hope Anderson stays.

Fried Meat Ball!
03-23-2009, 08:26 PM
But down here in SC, all the BBQ I get is whatever I make. Carolina BBQ is all about pork and vinegar... no thanks.

Spott
03-23-2009, 08:27 PM
Never mind, I didn't realize Famous Dave's are all over the country. I've never heard of it, the closest one to me is about 45 minutes away in Tracy, CA

If it's a nationwide chain then they probably suck anyways.

Spott
03-23-2009, 08:29 PM
Funny. This is what we do at home. Good luck MU Tigers & my Hawks.

p.s. MU's victory was the best game I've seen all season. I hope Anderson stays.


Thanks. If I ever go out to eat any BBQ here, I take a bottle of Gates with me and I always use Gates at home, too.

Nixhex
03-23-2009, 08:29 PM
Oklahoma Joe's and Rosedale

KCUnited
03-23-2009, 08:31 PM
If you're heading out to the Royals game I'd hit Bryant's or LC's. If I'm taking out of towners, I usually taken them to Bryant's for the history and the neighborhood. If I'm eating for myself, I go to LC's or OK Joes.

Simply Red
03-23-2009, 08:38 PM
But down here in SC, all the BBQ I get is whatever I make. Carolina BBQ is all about pork and vinegar... no thanks.

this, except Sticky Fingers is fair.

Warrior5
03-23-2009, 08:39 PM
Jackstack at Union Station.

I've reposted myself about a million times with this response.

Pitt Gorilla
03-23-2009, 10:13 PM
Jackstack at Union Station.

I've reposted myself about a million times with this response.Nope. I can't stand the metrosexual vibe of that place. Go to the Jackstack in Martin City or Gate's on State Line.

Sure-Oz
03-23-2009, 10:46 PM
Oklahoma Joes, i've had jackstack and still prefer OK. Joes.

best fries in kc by far imo

ChiefsCountry
03-23-2009, 10:57 PM
I'm a Gates guy personally.

Here is a good take on KC BBQ from our own Mr. Blowfish
http://www.georgeblowfish.com/BBQ.html

nstygma
03-23-2009, 11:06 PM
And for the record, I've said it before: Jack Stack's burnt ends suck ass.so right you are. i was convinced they got my order wrong when i saw the burnt ends they brought to me.

my fav is smokestack(89th), gates, and ok joes.

ClevelandBronco
03-23-2009, 11:09 PM
Quick question:

Are beef ribs ever a legit barbecue medium?

(Cleveland/Mexican border/Denver. What the hell would I know?)

Buehler445
03-23-2009, 11:32 PM
Great info guys. Thanks. Much appreciated.

I'm a Gates guy personally.

Here is a good take on KC BBQ from our own Mr. Blowfish
http://www.georgeblowfish.com/BBQ.html

This is very good. Thank you.

CoMoChief
03-23-2009, 11:35 PM
Okla Joes, Famous Daves, or Arthur Bryants


Gates BBQ is extremely overrated IMO.

I like Zarda's beans. I also like the BBQ bean recipe they used to put on the back of KC Masterpiece BBQ Sauce bottles.

thurman merman
03-23-2009, 11:35 PM
oklahoma joe's!

Valiant
03-24-2009, 12:41 AM
Bryants. For me the meat is great but what sets it apart from other great places is the sauce. I could drink the stuff straight but that's probably pretty unhealthy.

Burnt ends, BTW.

I love Arthurs pork sandwich and spicy sauce.. I normally do not like really spicy sauces but theirs is fucking delicious.. Always go to the one at the casino.. Fuck I think I might go tomorrow for lunch..

Reaper16
03-24-2009, 12:49 AM
Search for my many posts on the subject. Listen to me above all others. You can't go wrong that way.

kcfanXIII
03-24-2009, 02:33 AM
i haven't tried lc's yet, and its right down the street. its pretty good then?

|Zach|
03-24-2009, 02:56 AM
Obviously everyone has opinions on the subject in the area. Thought I would throw in a few of my thoughts.

- Arthur Bryant's is the best...their meats especially the beef are just untouchable. So good.

- Gates is overrated. I want to be clear though that I think it is good just not the big gold medal winner a lot of people like to bestow it. I think it has fallen off lately.

- Rosedale's is the most underrated BBQ joint around. Hit SW Blvd and give it a whirl.

- Oklahoma Joe's is a good place to grab a sandwich as is Danny Edward's. DE's fries and service are really good.

- I know this is sort of sac relig but I think Famous Dave's is really strong for a chain. Been impressed a few times.

|Zach|
03-24-2009, 02:57 AM
i haven't tried lc's yet, and its right down the street. its pretty good then?

Certainly worth a try.

Al Bundy
03-24-2009, 05:02 AM
I tend to prefer Smokehouse, I like both the Super Crispy and the pulled pork sandwhiches.

Baby Lee
03-24-2009, 06:22 AM
Nope. I can't stand the metrosexual vibe of that place. Go to the Jackstack in Martin City or Gate's on State Line.

Muthaeff vibe, last time I went there we had a combo platter and I literally went from bite to bite with a new 'this is heaven' epiphany. Mmm sausage, MMMM pork, MMMMMM beef, MARTHAFOCKMMMMMPPPHHHHSPPOOGE ribs!!!!!!!!

Reaper16
03-24-2009, 08:09 AM
i haven't tried lc's yet, and its right down the street. its pretty good then?
Its probably KC's best overall bbq joint.

luv
03-24-2009, 08:11 AM
Its probably KC's best overall bbq joint.

Where is it at?

Demonpenz
03-24-2009, 08:14 AM
Like like those places that serve behind sports nutz and places like that. It is almost like you are buying crack (well to bbq nuts I bet you are).

Yo man you got what I need
Awes yeah
2 ribs and ends
For real
peace

Dave Lane
03-24-2009, 08:16 AM
Quick question:

Are beef ribs ever a legit barbecue medium?

(Cleveland/Mexican border/Denver. What the hell would I know?)

NO

Dave Lane
03-24-2009, 08:17 AM
Its probably KC's best overall bbq joint.

Good not quite as good as Bryants but the beans ROCK!

DaKCMan AP
03-24-2009, 08:20 AM
BBQ is the only thing I am jealous of people living in KC.

Skip Towne
03-24-2009, 08:21 AM
Didn't the guy who owns lc's used to work at Bryant's?

Duck Dog
03-24-2009, 08:28 AM
Hands down, Fiorellas Jack Stack.

Duck Dog
03-24-2009, 08:29 AM
Fiorella's or Oklahoma Joe's, depending on how far I feel like driving at the time.

Word, Crackah!

Reaper16
03-24-2009, 08:30 AM
Quick question:

Are beef ribs ever a legit barbecue medium?

Sure. Jack's Stack does them.

MOhillbilly
03-24-2009, 08:32 AM
anytime i come to KC Bryants on brooklyn is a must. nothin like a bunch of white country dudes gettin outta a 64 impala SS. just roll with alittle firepower, youll be alright.

Reaper16
03-24-2009, 08:33 AM
Good not quite as good as Bryants but the beans ROCK!
Have you been to Bryant's in the past two years? Its a husk of its former self.

Didn't the guy who owns lc's used to work at Bryant's?
Nope. He was a corporate chef for Farmland Industries before opening his own place.

Dave Lane
03-24-2009, 08:35 AM
Have you been to Bryant's in the past two years? Its a husk of its former self.


Nope. He was a corporate chef for Farmland Industries before opening his own place.

Yes I have the one at the racetrack is extremely good...

Reaper16
03-24-2009, 08:39 AM
Yes I have the one at the racetrack is extremely good...
Really? The Speedway location? I haven't been to that one since it was relatively new. It was terrible then.

I do believe you, though, because the Ameristar location has been consistently better than the original location for the better part of a year and a half.

Yes, I have been to both 18th/Brooklyn and Ameristar locations enough times to make that comparison. I spend waaaaaaaaaaay too much money on barbecue.

luv
03-24-2009, 08:42 AM
Nope. He was a corporate chef for Farmland Industries before opening his own place.

Which is located where in KC?

luv
03-24-2009, 08:49 AM
Which is located where in KC?

5800 Blue Parkway

luv
03-24-2009, 08:50 AM
5800 Blue Parkway

Hey! Thanks!

Zeke
03-24-2009, 08:57 AM
LC's is the bomb.

The burnt ends are literally burnt when they have oven fires. :)

movinbones
03-24-2009, 09:38 AM
Hi, may I heeeeeeeeeeeelp you!


Beef on bun please.... ah like sweet music!!!

ChiefsCountry
03-24-2009, 09:55 AM
Where is it at?

By the Sports Complex right off 435.

Mr. Flopnuts
03-24-2009, 09:59 AM
There was a little hole in the wall a few years ago right next to World's of Fun. It may have been on the other side of the freeway IIRC. Anyone know the name of that place?

keg in kc
03-24-2009, 10:00 AM
I haven't had LCs in 5 or 6 years. That place rocked.

And completely different place, but there's a burger place in the northland called LC's that has the best burgers anywhere.

Fish
03-24-2009, 10:16 AM
Another vote for LC's. Big fan of that place. The whole chicken is pretty damn good out there too. Overall good stuff....

And if you're eating there before the game, you can head east from LC's about a half block and turn north on Coal Mine Rd. Follow that as far as it will go and hang a right and it will dump you out right at Gate 5 at Kaufman. It's a nice little back route to the stadium that avoids all the traffic.

htismaqe
03-24-2009, 10:43 AM
I like Oklahoma Joe's or if I'm feeling fancy, Fiorella's.

Swazey
03-24-2009, 10:43 AM
Criminally slept on... Johnny's BBQ, Mission KS.

Rosedale isn't too shabby either.

htismaqe
03-24-2009, 10:44 AM
Sure. Jack's Stack does them.

Even then, they're pretty greasy. Definitely not in the same area code as pork ribs...

kcfanXIII
03-24-2009, 10:54 AM
luv, the easiest way to get there is to continue south from i-70 on blue ridge cutoff to sni-a-bar, then hang a right and that will lead you through some neighborhoods (more specifically mine) then it puts you on blue parkway, but before you turn, oh look, LC's is right there on your left.

Mr. Flopnuts
03-24-2009, 10:56 AM
There was a little hole in the wall a few years ago right next to World's of Fun. It may have been on the other side of the freeway IIRC. Anyone know the name of that place?

Must have been a hole in the wall. It was pretty damn good, but I can't really judge since it's the only place I've had BBQ in KC.

Skip Towne
03-24-2009, 10:56 AM
Have you been to Bryant's in the past two years? Its a husk of its former self.


Nope. He was a corporate chef for Farmland Industries before opening his own place.

What has changed at Bryant's?

luv
03-24-2009, 10:57 AM
luv, the easiest way to get there is to continue south from i-70 on blue ridge cutoff to sni-a-bar, then hang a right and that will lead you through some neighborhoods (more specifically mine) then it puts you on blue parkway, but before you turn, oh look, LC's is right there on your left.

That's good, except I'll be coming from the south...lol. No biggy. I won't be able to afford to come up for awhile, so I'll just goggle map it whenever I can.

Reaper16
03-24-2009, 11:21 AM
What has changed at Bryant's?
The atmosphere is a lot different, unfortunately. You can't tip the counterman to get a bigger sandwich. They use a digital scale to weigh the sandwiches. Its brighter, cleaner, has a giant TV.

But the biggest crime is that the food is simply not what it used to be. I don't know what they're doing differently. I've eaten an awful lot of Bryant's food over the years, and there has been a marked difference in quality these past two years. Its now on the level of Gates, which is to say that it is slightly above average for the area.

The food at Bryant's these days is not comparable to:

L.C.'s
Oklahoma Joe's
Woodyard
Smokin' Guns
Hell, even old standbys like Snead's and Earl Quick's.

Demonpenz
03-24-2009, 11:23 AM
bb's lawnside bbq home of the bbq sundae!

JASONSAUTO
03-24-2009, 11:26 AM
The atmosphere is a lot different, unfortunately. You can't tip the counterman to get a bigger sandwich. They use a digital scale to weigh the sandwiches. Its brighter, cleaner, has a giant TV.

But the biggest crime is that the food is simply not what it used to be. I don't know what they're doing differently. I've eaten an awful lot of Bryant's food over the years, and there has been a marked difference in quality these past two years. Its now on the level of Gates, which is to say that it is slightly above average for the area.

The food at Bryant's these days is not comparable to:

L.C.'s
Oklahoma Joe's
Woodyard
Smokin' Guns
Hell, even old standbys like Snead's and Earl Quick's.


Did the guys who owned bryants sell? rauschelbach IIRC

petegz28
03-24-2009, 11:27 AM
bb's lawnside bbq home of the bbq sundae!

and super-duper sweet sauce


And I mean sweet as in sweet like sugar.......

Demonpenz
03-24-2009, 11:29 AM
and super-duper sweet sauce


And I mean sweet as in sweet like sugar.......

hell yes!

Stewie
03-24-2009, 11:32 AM
Did the guys who owned bryants sell? rauschelbach IIRC

I think it's owned by Mike Berbiglia now, the liquor store guy.

Edit: I looked it up. It's owned by Rauschelback and Gary Berbiglia.

JASONSAUTO
03-24-2009, 11:34 AM
I think it's owned by Mike Berbiglia now, the liquor store guy.

no wonder it's gone downhill.

JASONSAUTO
03-24-2009, 11:36 AM
I think it's owned by Mike Berbiglia now, the liquor store guy.

Edit: I looked it up. It's owned by Rauschelback and Gary Berbiglia.

jerry rauschelback? or his dad? if his dad's not involved that too would tell the story. jerry is a hot head who doesnt make very good business decisions, his father was a good ol boy who was sharp.

gblowfish
03-24-2009, 11:43 AM
Quick overview all imho...there are no right answers:
Best Ribs: Gates or Fiorella' Jack Stack
Chicken: LC's or Gates.
Best Beans: Zarda's, Okla Joes or LCs
Best Steak Style Fries: Bryant's, LC's, Haywards
Best Crinkle Cut Fries: Rosedale, Johnny's
Best Cole Slaw: Rosedale
Best Brisket: Gates, Okla Joe's, Jack Stack
Biggest Sandwich: Bryant's, LC's
Best Turkey: Gates, LC's
Best Party Tray: Gates, Fiorella Jack Stack
Most Unusual Entree Choices: Fiorella's Jack Stack (Lamb, Seafood)
Most Unusual Sides: Oklahoma Joe's (jambalaya is great stuff)
Best Music: BB's Lawnside, Oklahoma Joe's
Best Dining Room: Fiorella's Jack Stack, Okla Joe's (Olathe), Bryant's (Speedway)
Most Authentic: Bryant's (18th & Brooklyn) LC's (Blue Parkway) Gates (12th & Brooklyn)
Best Sauce: Gates, Rosedale, Okla Joe's
Most Unusual Sauce: Bryant's, Danny Edwards Blvd BBQ, Filling Station Lee's Summit.
Best Value: Rosedale, Bryant's, Oklahoma Joe's.
Worst Places: Rib Crib, Earl Quick's, Wyandotte BBQ.

Fish
03-24-2009, 11:49 AM
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/5661/mcribfarewell.jpg

Wooo!

Dave Lane
03-24-2009, 11:50 AM
Two thumbs up for blowfish I almost completely agree.

htismaqe
03-24-2009, 11:54 AM
Quick overview all imho...there are no right answers:
Best Ribs: Gates or Fiorella' Jack Stack
Chicken: LC's or Gates.
Best Beans: Zarda's, Okla Joes or LCs
Best Steak Style Fries: Bryant's, LC's, Haywards
Best Crinkle Cut Fries: Rosedale, Johnny's
Best Cole Slaw: Rosedale
Best Brisket: Gates, Okla Joe's, Jack Stack
Biggest Sandwich: Bryant's, LC's
Best Turkey: Gates, LC's
Best Party Tray: Gates, Fiorella Jack Stack
Most Unusual Entree Choices: Fiorella's Jack Stack (Lamb, Seafood)
Most Unusual Sides: Oklahoma Joe's (jambalaya is great stuff)
Best Music: BB's Lawnside, Oklahoma Joe's
Best Dining Room: Fiorella's Jack Stack, Okla Joe's (Olathe), Bryant's (Speedway)
Most Authentic: Bryant's (18th & Brooklyn) LC's (Blue Parkway) Gates (12th & Brooklyn)
Best Sauce: Gates, Rosedale, Okla Joe's
Most Unusual Sauce: Bryant's, Danny Edwards Blvd BBQ, Filling Station Lee's Summit.
Best Value: Rosedale, Bryant's, Oklahoma Joe's.
Worst Places: Rib Crib, Earl Quick's, Wyandotte BBQ.

I always liked your lists. Not that I agree with it 100% but the fact you took the time to do it is great.

By the way, for those of you that have Hy-Vee in your area and like me don't live in KC, they will occasionally sell Zarda's AWESOME beans in the cooler with the Hy-Vee potato salad and cole slaw.

Demonpenz
03-24-2009, 11:55 AM
Buying the beans from hi vee, i wondered if it was worth it

Stewie
03-24-2009, 11:59 AM
Worst Places: Rib Crib, Earl Quick's, Wyandotte BBQ.

With very mediocre food Wyandotte has been around for EVER. It's baffling to me.

gblowfish
03-24-2009, 12:03 PM
All this BBQ talk is making me hungry.
Think I'll go out to Okla Joe's and get a chicken Zman and some Jambalaya.

BTW: Today's headlines say that red meat will kill you.
No sh*t, but you gotta die of somethin, right?

htismaqe
03-24-2009, 12:04 PM
Buying the beans from hi vee, i wondered if it was worth it

Yes, they're good beans, even pre-packaged and frozen. I love em.

Baby Lee
03-24-2009, 12:09 PM
they will occasionally sell Zarda's AWESOME beans

Doesn't Sam's Club still carry?

Fish
03-24-2009, 12:09 PM
All this BBQ talk is making me hungry.
Think I'll go out to Okla Joe's and get a chicken Zman and some Jambalaya.

BTW: Today's headlines say that red meat will kill you.
No sh*t, but you gotta die of somethin, right?

Chicken ZMan? What's that you say? It's comes in a chicken variety? Is there another meat with it like the beef+pork ZMan I'm used to? Cause that sounds tasty.......

Thanks for the belly grumbling....

Reaper16
03-24-2009, 12:09 PM
I always liked your lists. Not that I agree with it 100% but the fact you took the time to do it is great.

I agree with this. I find his rankings to be horrendously erroneous, but I give him big props for compiling a list in the first place.

MOhillbilly
03-24-2009, 12:15 PM
Quick overview all imho...there are no right answers:
Best Ribs: Gates or Fiorella' Jack Stack
Chicken: LC's or Gates.
Best Beans: Zarda's, Okla Joes or LCs
Best Steak Style Fries: Bryant's, LC's, Haywards
Best Crinkle Cut Fries: Rosedale, Johnny's
Best Cole Slaw: Rosedale
Best Brisket: Gates, Okla Joe's, Jack Stack
Biggest Sandwich: Bryant's, LC's
Best Turkey: Gates, LC's
Best Party Tray: Gates, Fiorella Jack Stack
Most Unusual Entree Choices: Fiorella's Jack Stack (Lamb, Seafood)
Most Unusual Sides: Oklahoma Joe's (jambalaya is great stuff)
Best Music: BB's Lawnside, Oklahoma Joe's
Best Dining Room: Fiorella's Jack Stack, Okla Joe's (Olathe), Bryant's (Speedway)
Most Authentic: Bryant's (18th & Brooklyn) LC's (Blue Parkway) Gates (12th & Brooklyn)
Best Sauce: :cuss:Gates, :cuss:Rosedale, :cuss:Okla Joe's
Most Unusual Sauce: Bryant's, Danny Edwards Blvd BBQ, Filling Station Lee's Summit.
Best Value: Rosedale, Bryant's, Oklahoma Joe's.
Worst Places: Rib Crib, Earl Quick's, Wyandotte BBQ.


with your sauce selections the list goes right out the window.

MOhillbilly
03-24-2009, 12:18 PM
i think price cutter on grand and kansas has Zardas beans & products.i know they carry jack stacks Q-sauce and rubs along with bryants rubs. We bought them out of Bryants Q-sauce months ago and complain everytime....nothin as of yet. sonsabitches.

petegz28
03-24-2009, 12:26 PM
Quick overview all imho...there are no right answers:
Best Ribs: Gates or Fiorella' Jack Stack
Chicken: LC's or Gates.
Best Beans: Zarda's, Okla Joes or LCs
Best Steak Style Fries: Bryant's, LC's, Haywards
Best Crinkle Cut Fries: Rosedale, Johnny's
Best Cole Slaw: Rosedale
Best Brisket: Gates, Okla Joe's, Jack Stack
Biggest Sandwich: Bryant's, LC's
Best Turkey: Gates, LC's
Best Party Tray: Gates, Fiorella Jack Stack
Most Unusual Entree Choices: Fiorella's Jack Stack (Lamb, Seafood)
Most Unusual Sides: Oklahoma Joe's (jambalaya is great stuff)
Best Music: BB's Lawnside, Oklahoma Joe's
Best Dining Room: Fiorella's Jack Stack, Okla Joe's (Olathe), Bryant's (Speedway)
Most Authentic: Bryant's (18th & Brooklyn) LC's (Blue Parkway) Gates (12th & Brooklyn)
Best Sauce: Gates, Rosedale, Okla Joe's
Most Unusual Sauce: Bryant's, Danny Edwards Blvd BBQ, Filling Station Lee's Summit.
Best Value: Rosedale, Bryant's, Oklahoma Joe's.
Worst Places: Rib Crib, Earl Quick's, Wyandotte BBQ.

Ah, Gates at 12th and Brooklyn. That was the only Gates I ever went to for the first 16 years of my life.

Stewie
03-24-2009, 12:37 PM
with your sauce selections the list goes right out the window.

Who cares about the sauce? 95% of the time I don't use it. I will use it on a pulled pork at OK Joe's, but they have three different sauces at each table, including a grape infused BBQ sauce. That's a twist.

Sure-Oz
03-24-2009, 12:39 PM
Who cares about the sauce? 95% of the time I don't use it. I will use it on a pulled pork at OK Joe's, but they have three different sauces at each table, including a grape infused BBQ sauce. That's a twist.

I like their 'night of the living bbq' sauce

MOhillbilly
03-24-2009, 12:40 PM
Who cares about the sauce? 95% of the time I don't use it. I will use it on a pulled pork at OK Joe's, but they have three different sauces at each table, including a grape infused BBQ sauce. That's a twist.

i care. imo the right sauce makes or breaks what KC BBQ is about.

keg in kc
03-24-2009, 12:42 PM
I'm a fan of the meat, not so much the sauce.

Stewie
03-24-2009, 12:45 PM
i care. imo the right sauce makes or breaks what KC BBQ is about.

To each his own. I'm not really a sauce person except for pulled pork. The rest should be good without sauce.

MOhillbilly
03-24-2009, 12:45 PM
I'm a fan of the meat, not so much the sauce.

then its not really kc style BBQ.

MOhillbilly
03-24-2009, 12:47 PM
To each his own. I'm not really a sauce person except for pulled pork. The rest should be good without sauce.

of course the 'rest' should be good without. but the sauce should be the kicker that puts meat over the top.

htismaqe
03-24-2009, 12:59 PM
of course the 'rest' should be good without. but the sauce should be the kicker that puts meat over the top.

Exactly.

The meat should be good enough on it's own that you don't NEED sauce.

But the sauce should be good enough on it's own that you WANT sauce.

keg in kc
03-24-2009, 01:00 PM
then its not really kc style BBQ.Yeah, it's not like I'm in KC eating KC bbq from KC bbq joints.

keg in kc
03-24-2009, 01:00 PM
I'm a fan of the meat, not so much the sauce.I didn't realize how gay that sounded when I was typing it.

htismaqe
03-24-2009, 01:02 PM
Who cares about the sauce? 95% of the time I don't use it. I will use it on a pulled pork at OK Joe's, but they have three different sauces at each table, including a grape infused BBQ sauce. That's a twist.

I like sauce.

I know this may get me in hot water, but I especially love Carolina-style yellow sauces on pork and Alabama white sauce on chicken.

MOhillbilly
03-24-2009, 01:04 PM
Yeah, it's not like I'm in KC eating KC bbq from KC bbq joints.

hoss, ive made more BBQ than you will eat in a lifetime.

keg in kc
03-24-2009, 01:10 PM
hoss, ive made more BBQ than you will eat in a lifetime.I'm sure you have, and more power to you. Doesn't change the fact that I live in Kansas City and have eaten at all the establishments discussed on this thread to date. But maybe they don't know how to make Kansas City barbecue here. In Kansas City.

gblowfish
03-24-2009, 01:11 PM
As I've always said, talking BBQ is like talking religion or politics. All depends on what you were raised on.

Gates BBQ and Oklahoma Joe's BBQ sauces have won national contests, so, to say their sauce sucks is absolutely false. I've always liked Rosedale because its one of the ones I grew up on, and they've been around for years and years. I've had Carolina mustard sauce, Memphis sauce (Rendevous, Corky's, Neely's) Texas Sauce (Stubbs) and stuff from all over the country, these KC BBQ sauces rule. Why do you think the national brands like KC Masterpiece, Kraft and Maull's make "Kansas City Style" BBQ sauces?

Flavor of meat is important, but the sauce is the finishing soul.

Oklahoma Joe's makes a chicken Z man with provolone cheese and an onion ring on top. Very tasty. Today I had the special, kind of a BBQ sloppy joe with brisket and pulled pork, and a cup of chicken gumbo, which is as good or better than the jambalaya.

htismaqe
03-24-2009, 01:11 PM
hoss, ive made more BBQ than you will eat in a lifetime.

He's even barbecued some city slickers that drove off the road in the Ozark foothills...

gblowfish
03-24-2009, 01:12 PM
I agree with this. I find his rankings to be horrendously erroneous, but I give him big props for compiling a list in the first place.
I guess if N.A. is "the Erroneous One" I can be "GB the Erroneous BBQ One"
:)

keg in kc
03-24-2009, 01:13 PM
FYI I do like the sauce (love it, in fact), I just don't like a lot of it. Places that drench their meat in sauce aren't for me.

That was all I was really saying.

Stuff here beats the pants off of the barbecue I've had everywhere else (everwhere else being Memphis, Texas and the Carolinas - I can't remember trying it anywhere else). I like it sweet.

Mr. Flopnuts
03-24-2009, 01:13 PM
I'm a fan of the meat, not so much the sauce.

:spock:

Sure-Oz
03-24-2009, 01:13 PM
As I've always said, talking BBQ is like talking religion or politics. All depends on what you were raised on.

Gates BBQ and Oklahoma Joe's BBQ sauces have won national contests, so, to say their sauce sucks is absolutely false. I've always liked Rosedale because its one of the ones I grew up on, and they've been around for years and years. I've had Carolina mustard sauce, Memphis sauce (Rendevous, Corky's, Neely's) Texas Sauce (Stubbs) and stuff from all over the country, these KC BBQ sauces rule. Why do you think the national brands like KC Masterpiece, Kraft and Maull's make "Kansas City Style" BBQ sauces?

Flavor of meat is important, but the sauce is the finishing soul.

Oklahoma Joe's makes a chicken Z man with provolone cheese and an onion ring on top. Very tasty. Today I had the special, kind of a BBQ sloppy joe with brisket and pulled pork, and a cup of chicken gumbo, which is as good or better than the jambalaya.

I wish i wasn't like 40 min away from OK Joe's, damn their food is heaven. Been there 3 times

keg in kc
03-24-2009, 01:16 PM
I wish i wasn't like 40 min away from OK Joe's, damn their food is heaven. Been there 3 timesI wish I wasn't like 5 minutes from OK joes. Been there 3 times this week.

Skip Towne
03-24-2009, 01:16 PM
Why can't I find Oklahoma Joe's Bar-B-Q here. In Oklahoma?

gblowfish
03-24-2009, 01:17 PM
Why can't I find Oklahoma Joe's Bar-B-Q here. In Oklahoma?

Because some Oakies actually escape from Oklahoma...

keg in kc
03-24-2009, 01:18 PM
Why can't I find Oklahoma Joe's Bar-B-Q here. In Oklahoma?'cause you don't have gas stations. Once you guys join the modern age and stop with the horse and buggy shit, you might get a franchise.

htismaqe
03-24-2009, 01:20 PM
FYI I do like the sauce (love it, in fact), I just don't like a lot of it. Places that drench their meat in sauce aren't for me.

That was all I was really saying.

Stuff here beats the pants off of the barbecue I've had everywhere else (everwhere else being Memphis, Texas and the Carolinas - I can't remember trying it anywhere else). I like it sweet.

Places that drench it in sauce are trying to cover up the taste of their meat. I don't like to eat places that put sauce on the meat before they serve it to you. Sauce should always be on the side.

keg in kc
03-24-2009, 01:21 PM
Places that drench it in sauce are trying to cover up the taste of their meat. I don't like to eat places that put sauce on the meat before they serve it to you. Sauce should always be on the side.Totally agree. That's the origin of my original comment that I was a fan of the meat more than the sauce.

picasso
03-24-2009, 01:25 PM
WHY are people saying Famous Daves?
We have those out here in Seattle, what in the hell is KC about a BBQ chain that sucks arse?

Rosedale and then Bryants. Never had Oklahoma Joes, gonna have to try that out.
Gates is alright but everytime I eat there I feel it's missing something or maybe it's the environment that doesn't appeal to me. To Dallas show early 80's deco.

MOhillbilly
03-24-2009, 01:26 PM
I'm sure you have, and more power to you. Doesn't change the fact that I live in Kansas City and have eaten at all the establishments discussed on this thread to date. But maybe they don't know how to make Kansas City barbecue here. In Kansas City.

ya not like i wasnt born in KC & dont have all my mothers clan in KC. not like im not up there about every 3 months or whenever i feel like it.and have been to a majority of the places listed.
i grew up with men who threw down parties like no other,we raised our own hog and cattle. made smokers before people knew WTF pull behind smokers were. once did 126 whole chickens,another 16 cases of ribs, shit ive done more whole hogs than i can count, made our own sauce since the 40s & catered major events.
point is im pretty sure i have the palate.

Ill put mine up against and man or gods Q.

walk it like you talk it and it aint braggin.

ill be up for acouple games, ill smoke ya. come drink a brew and try it out.

keg in kc
03-24-2009, 01:28 PM
What the fuck are we even arguing about? I think we agree.

htismaqe
03-24-2009, 01:29 PM
WHY are people saying Famous Daves?
We have those out here in Seattle, what in the hell is KC about a BBQ chain that sucks arse?

Rosedale and then Bryants. Never had Oklahoma Joes, gonna have to try that out.
Gates is alright but everytime I eat there I feel it's missing something or maybe it's the environment that doesn't appeal to me. To Dallas show early 80's deco.

Famous Dave's is Minneapolis BBQ. ROFL

gblowfish
03-24-2009, 01:29 PM
Famous Dave's is OK for a chain restaurant. Much better than, say, Rib Crib. Rib Crib does have an all you can eat rib night (think that's Tuesdays) but the food is not even close to legit KC BBQ places. They put places like Famous Dave's and Rib Crib off the interestate or near touristy places, so tourist think they're getting real KC BBQ.

Bryant's has kind of done the same thing, building stores by the Speedway and inside the city's biggest casino.

I have a BBQ page on my website where I talk about a bunch of the places I've been to in the KC area. Think this serves as a good guide for visitors to KC, the locals already have their own favorite spots.

There'll be arguments, sure, but as always, it's all IMHO:

http://www.georgeblowfish.com/BBQ.html

MOhillbilly
03-24-2009, 01:29 PM
What the **** are we even arguing about? I think we agree.

i dont know. somehow you got my dander all up. the invite stands.

htismaqe
03-24-2009, 01:30 PM
ya not like i wasnt born in KC & dont have all my mothers clan in KC. not like im not up there about every 3 months or whenever i feel like it.and have been to a majority of the places listed.
i grew up with men who threw down parties like no other,we raised our own hog and cattle. made smokers before people knew WTF pull behind smokers were. once did 126 whole chickens,another 16 cases of ribs, shit ive done more whole hogs than i can count, made our own sauce since the 40s & catered major events.
point is im pretty sure i have the palate.

Ill put mine up against and man or gods Q.

walk it like you talk it and it aint braggin.

ill be up for acouple games, ill smoke ya. come drink a brew and try it out.

You said "clan".

hehehehehe

keg in kc
03-24-2009, 01:31 PM
i dont know. somehow you got my dander all up. the invite stands.I think I was just trying to point out that I might have a vague idea what kansas city barbecue was living in kansas city, and you took that for me saying I'm some kind of expert and that you didn't know shit. Which, you know, isn't really my style. And then you get defensive, and I get defensive, and we end up in a tard fight straight outta south park.

MOhillbilly
03-24-2009, 01:33 PM
Places that drench it in sauce are trying to cover up the taste of their meat. I don't like to eat places that put sauce on the meat before they serve it to you. Sauce should always be on the side.

BBQ chicken just aint the same without a second sauce over the fire. but other than that i tend to agree.

Fish
03-24-2009, 01:33 PM
The only thing Famous Dave's ever did well was Jalapeno Bacon....

MOhillbilly
03-24-2009, 01:33 PM
I think I was just trying to point out that I might have a vague idea what kansas city barbecue was living in kansas city, and you took that for me saying I'm some kind of expert and that you didn't know shit. Which, you know, isn't really my style. And then you get defensive, and I get defensive, and we end up in a tard fight straight outta south park.

yes i am a tard.

Edit- im gonna BBQ the shit outta somethin after work.-grin-

Skip Towne
03-24-2009, 01:45 PM
Because some Oakies actually escape from Oklahoma...

I'd rather be in jail in Oklahoma than free in Mizery.

gblowfish
03-24-2009, 01:51 PM
I'd rather be in jail in Oklahoma than free in Mizery.

Let me arrange that for you...

L.A. Chieffan
03-24-2009, 01:52 PM
im so facking hungry right now...please stop

kcfanXIII
03-24-2009, 02:33 PM
so my dad and i went to lc's for lunch. have to say, it was just a little better than mediocre. lots of fat on my burnt ends. sauce was pretty good though, and i'd be willing to go back and try something else, and could possibly improve the score, but i'd say right now its a 7 out of 10.

Stewie
03-24-2009, 03:01 PM
so my dad and i went to lc's for lunch. have to say, it was just a little better than mediocre. lots of fat on my burnt ends. sauce was pretty good though, and i'd be willing to go back and try something else, and could possibly improve the score, but i'd say right now its a 7 out of 10.

I'm not sure how restaurants offer burnt ends to the masses. They are the morsels of awesomeness that come from a brisket. As FMB said earlier Jack's Stack is cube brisket, which is probably true. I'd be surprised if they're alone. When you serve hundreds of "burnt ends" per day in a restaurant you're not cooking hundreds of briskets. If it's leftovers and served once a week, maybe.

Micjones
03-24-2009, 03:01 PM
Oklahoma Joe's for my money.

Fried Meat Ball!
03-24-2009, 03:17 PM
I'm not sure how restaurants offer burnt ends to the masses. They are the morsels of awesomeness that come from a brisket. As FMB said earlier Jack's Stack is cube brisket, which is probably true. I'd be surprised if they're alone. When you serve hundreds of "burnt ends" per day in a restaurant you're not cooking hundreds of briskets. If it's leftovers and served once a week, maybe.

Whenever I'd get a hankering for them, I'd go to Gates early that day. If you waited much past noon, they'd be out.

MOhillbilly
03-24-2009, 03:28 PM
I'm not sure how restaurants offer burnt ends to the masses. They are the morsels of awesomeness that come from a brisket. As FMB said earlier Jack's Stack is cube brisket, which is probably true. I'd be surprised if they're alone. When you serve hundreds of "burnt ends" per day in a restaurant you're not cooking hundreds of briskets. If it's leftovers and served once a week, maybe.


burnt ends can be had off ribs aswell.

Fried Meat Ball!
03-24-2009, 03:31 PM
burnt ends can be had off ribs aswell.

Not true burnt ends. That's from the brisket.

You can basically make the same thing from pork ribs, but they're not really burnt ends.

I think those might be called rib tips... not positive on that.

Demonpenz
03-24-2009, 03:33 PM
burnt ends can be had off ribs aswell.

We had a burnt end reciepe from ribs that rocked.

MOhillbilly
03-24-2009, 03:38 PM
when i buy cattle i look for calves with a long & deep brisket, you always get a better price and hang weight.

keg in kc
03-24-2009, 03:42 PM
I'm not sure how restaurants offer burnt ends to the masses. They are the morsels of awesomeness that come from a brisket. As FMB said earlier Jack's Stack is cube brisket, which is probably true. I'd be surprised if they're alone. When you serve hundreds of "burnt ends" per day in a restaurant you're not cooking hundreds of briskets. If it's leftovers and served once a week, maybe.Oklahoma Joe's does theirs once a week. It's the Wednesday special. I have no idea what the cut, is, though. That's way over my head.

htismaqe
03-24-2009, 03:48 PM
I'm not sure how restaurants offer burnt ends to the masses. They are the morsels of awesomeness that come from a brisket. As FMB said earlier Jack's Stack is cube brisket, which is probably true. I'd be surprised if they're alone. When you serve hundreds of "burnt ends" per day in a restaurant you're not cooking hundreds of briskets. If it's leftovers and served once a week, maybe.

Actually, Jack Stack does cook hundreds of briskets.

My dad and I got a tour of the kitchen at the Freight House location and they were rotating briskets from the smoker to the cooler like mad. They had a few dozen.

They cook the briskets at the top so that the fat drips down on everything else and they cook them ahead of time because they take so long.

htismaqe
03-24-2009, 03:49 PM
Not true burnt ends. That's from the brisket.

You can basically make the same thing from pork ribs, but they're not really burnt ends.

I think those might be called rib tips... not positive on that.

No, rib tips have cartilage in them. They're like the tips of the spare ribs.

sedated
03-24-2009, 03:57 PM
I'm not sure how restaurants offer burnt ends to the masses. They are the morsels of awesomeness that come from a brisket. As FMB said earlier Jack's Stack is cube brisket, which is probably true. I'd be surprised if they're alone. When you serve hundreds of "burnt ends" per day in a restaurant you're not cooking hundreds of briskets. If it's leftovers and served once a week, maybe.

Jack Stack and most nicer restaurants have the huge burnt ends that are most likely just brisket. Whenever I get the combo, I can't tell much difference between the regular brisket and the burnt ends, other than the way they were sliced. Not crispy, no extra smoky flavor.

The last time I had Gates burnt end on bun, it was the most disgusting thing I’ve ever tasted. It was 25% tiny bits of chopped burnt ends (with OVERWHELMING smoke flavor), 25% grease, and 50% fat. Like they scraped out the bottom of the smoker and slapped the greasy goo onto a bun.

Fried Meat Ball!
03-24-2009, 04:00 PM
Jack Stack and most nicer restaurants have the huge burnt ends that are most likely just brisket. Whenever I get the combo, I can't tell much difference between the regular brisket and the burnt ends, other than the way they were sliced. Not crispy, no extra smoky flavor.

The last time I had Gates burnt end on bun, it was the most disgusting thing Iíve ever tasted. It was 25% tiny bits of chopped burnt ends (with OVERWHELMING smoke flavor), 25% grease, and 50% fat. Like they scraped out the bottom of the smoker and slapped the greasy goo onto a bun.

Sounds like you got a lot more fat than you should have, but burnt ends by very definition a super heavy on the smoke flavor, and typically pretty fatty.

But it should be very smoky, highly-concentrated flavor, almost jerky like meat.

I've had times at Gates where they were fattier than others, and that's not a lot of fun.

Valiant
03-24-2009, 04:06 PM
What is LC's??? We have two of them by us in the northland but they are hamburger stops with a drive-thru.. I am hoping we are thinking about two different LC's..

keg in kc
03-24-2009, 04:08 PM
What is LC's??? We have two of them by us in the northland but they are hamburger stops with a drive-thru.. I am hoping we are thinking about two different LC's..Yeah, different LCs. Although the one I used to go to near the airport didn't have a drivethru. Best burgers and shakes I've had since I moved here.

KcMizzou
03-24-2009, 04:11 PM
What is LC's??? We have two of them by us in the northland but they are hamburger stops with a drive-thru.. I am hoping we are thinking about two different LC's..That LC's does have some great burgers, though. I live pretty close to the one on Prairie View... 'bout time I got over there again.

KC-TBB
03-24-2009, 04:20 PM
This is like the 'Ginger or Mary Ann' thing...we take BBQ very personel. If you are wanting to impress someone...Jack Stack, nice digs like Ginger, but for that down and dirty eatin like Mary Ann, me likey Rosedales, L.C.'s or BB's BBQ.

thurman merman
03-24-2009, 06:14 PM
i haven't tried lc's yet, and its right down the street. its pretty good then?

very expensive, but very good.

thurman merman
03-24-2009, 06:22 PM
Who cares about the sauce?

WTF?

Reaper16
03-24-2009, 07:00 PM
so my dad and i went to lc's for lunch. have to say, it was just a little better than mediocre. lots of fat on my burnt ends. sauce was pretty good though, and i'd be willing to go back and try something else, and could possibly improve the score, but i'd say right now its a 7 out of 10.
The burnt ends timing with L.C.'s is tricky. There is only so many real good plates of burnt ends a place can serve per day. And everybody orders the burnt ends at L.C.'s. So it gets problematic. Regular customers tend to get the good plates.

Try the brisket there. Its incredible; it reminds me of Arthur Bryant's in their heyday.

Reaper16
03-24-2009, 07:04 PM
Why can't I find Oklahoma Joe's Bar-B-Q here. In Oklahoma?
Oklahoma Joe's is named after a brand of smoker: http://www.academy.com/images/products/400/0263/0263-02219-3361-P1.jpg

The owner of the restaurant, Jeff Stehney, named the place after his first smoker, an Oklahoma Joe. Stehney proceeded to win a whole lot of barbecue competitions with his team, The Slaughterhouse 5.