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mlyonsd
03-24-2009, 06:27 PM
Doesn't look like he needs a teleprompter to make his point. I don't agree with a lot of it but he is making up for his Leno moment.

J Diddy
03-24-2009, 07:13 PM
Rabble, rabble Obama sucks

Rabble, rabble he's ending America

Rabble rabble

memyselfI
03-24-2009, 08:02 PM
Doesn't look like he needs a teleprompter to make his point. I don't agree with a lot of it but he is making up for his Leno moment.

No, they apparently ditched the teleprompter and positioned a large screen TV (LCD) for him to read his speech. Hence, he actually looked like he was looking into the camera for once. He lost his tennis neck.

He's gone from TOTUS to LOTUS. ROFL

RINGLEADER
03-24-2009, 08:30 PM
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BucEyedPea
03-24-2009, 08:37 PM
I thought he sounded good here.

wild1
03-24-2009, 09:35 PM
the teleprompter smack must be getting to them, since they tried to make it look like he wasn't just reading off the script

Jenson71
03-24-2009, 09:37 PM
the teleprompter smack must be getting to them, since they tried to make it look like he wasn't just reading off the script

Yeah. How to appease the vocal morons is part of any White House PR staffer's job, unfortuantely.

BigChiefFan
03-24-2009, 09:57 PM
No, they apparently ditched the teleprompter and positioned a large screen TV (LCD) for him to read his speech. Hence, he actually looked like he was looking into the camera for once. He lost his tennis neck.

He's gone from TOTUS to LOTUS. ROFLYour patriotism is duly noted. He went with a no-nonsense, no-bullshit approach and all you care about is the behind the scenes crap, instead of the issues.

Direckshun
03-24-2009, 10:00 PM
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When are we going to get a President that can wing it?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Seriously, though...

Obviously, to any regular follower of the DC forum, there's little new that was said here. There were a few revealing moments, such as the "I like to know what I'm talking about before I speak." That is such a stark, beautiful comment that downright insults the 24-hour news cycle culture that the Obama administration is slowly and inconsistently dragging us away from.

To me, the most notable thing here was the news sources selected. People who raised their eyebrows the last time around when he called on the Huff Post must have been astonished as he called Univision, AFP, Stars and Stripes, Ebony, Washington Times, and others.

Only these aren't partisan news sources like HuffPo, with the insane exception of Wash Times. No, these are selected news sources that feed very specific topics -- respectively: illegal immigration, foreign policy, military, minority rights, and moral values. If Obama calls on Univision, of course the question is going to be about immigration.

By selecting this particular outlets, the administration was trying to control the dialogue in a different way than Bush. Bush needed the questions ahead of time; Obama needs the topics. This is Obama's broader but equally powerful way of controlling what gets discussed.

This is a launching pad for something grand. Between Geithner's toxic assets plan and the first Obama budget, Obama is launching a full court press politically that will follow through on his full court press in exposure. He wants to leave as little to chance as possible as he prepares to remake the entire US government.

Tonight was zero risk. Zero risk.

The same can't be said for what's to come.

Direckshun
03-24-2009, 10:01 PM
He went with a no-nonsense, no-bullshit approach.

This is very true. There was absolutely no stylistic flair tonight.

Tonight was pure wonk. No nonsense. No bullshit. Just a very stark warning shot of what's about to come.

talastan
03-24-2009, 10:05 PM
This is very true. There was absolutely no stylistic flair tonight.

Tonight was pure wonk. No nonsense. No bullshit. Just a very stark warning shot of what's about to come.

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:p

Direckshun
03-24-2009, 10:08 PM
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:p

I love that a 39% tax rate for the highest 5% of income earners, rather than 36%, is communism.

Gorgeous.

BigRedChief
03-24-2009, 10:18 PM
I love that a 39% tax rate for the highest 5% of income earners, rather than 36%, is communism.

Gorgeous.
I think most americans understand his point.

If Bill Gates gives $100 to charity he gets to take $39 off his taxes. I give $100 to charity I get to take $28.00 off my taxes. It's no big deal for Bill Gates to get back $32.00 instead of $39.00 for every $100.00. A very minor and small sacrifice IMHO.

Velvet_Jones
03-24-2009, 10:48 PM
Your patriotism is duly noted. He went with a no-nonsense, no-bullshit approach and all you care about is the behind the scenes crap, instead of the issues.

What issues are those? Speaking from the middle and acting from left? This sucked - it was as boring as watching the WNBA.

jAZ
03-24-2009, 10:50 PM
Doesn't look like he needs a teleprompter to make his point. I don't agree with a lot of it but he is making up for his Leno moment.

I have to say that the teleprompter complaint is among the sillyest attacks I think anyone could come up with to go after Obama. His rhetorical abilities are among the best ever, both on and off script. He's not perfectly deciplined, but he has as good a grasp of the issues at hand, and the details of policy as anyone I can recall. There is a reason that they are trying to get him in front of everyone they can right now. With and without a script. He's good at this, and they know it.

Velvet_Jones
03-25-2009, 12:15 AM
Watching this was like watching the Teen America Candidate from South Carolina explain geography. Like maps and such in the Iraq.

Can you believe that this is jAZ's hero? What a complete dipshit. Obama not jAZ. jAZ is just a stupid liar - not a dipshit.

whatsmynameagain
03-25-2009, 05:51 AM
Watching this was like watching the Teen America Candidate from South Carolina explain geography. Like maps and such in the Iraq.

Can you believe that this is jAZ's hero? What a complete dipshit. Obama not jAZ. jAZ is just a stupid liar - not a dipshit.

he explained things very well. he actually knew what he was talking about to an extent. im sure it would have been better if he............exactly, so stfu and btw....... im filling the toilet bowl up right now, hurry and pm me if you want a warm lunch today
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Ultra Peanut
03-25-2009, 05:55 AM
OH MY GOD HE'S GOT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOTES

memyselfI
03-25-2009, 06:04 AM
Your patriotism is duly noted. He went with a no-nonsense, no-bullshit approach and all you care about is the behind the scenes crap, instead of the issues.

This is rich. The Obots using Bushbot tactics questioning patriotism. ROFLROFLROFL

memyselfI
03-25-2009, 06:08 AM
the teleprompter smack must be getting to them, since they tried to make it look like he wasn't just reading off the script

As it should. The teleprompter for even simple opening statements looks amateur. I'm not sure the OMAX screen is an improvement but at least he's not tennis neck.

wild1
03-25-2009, 06:17 AM
As it should. The teleprompter for even simple opening statements looks amateur. I'm not sure the OMAX screen is an improvement but at least he's not tennis neck.

they are smart, they know that joe sixpack isn't going to watch the cable news wrap. all they have to do is move his script and then it looks like he's just up there speaking off the cuff.

i'm surprised no one is concerned that he can't do simple things like have a party for the president of Ireland without a teleprompter telling him what to say. maybe we should give up this ruse and name axelrod president?

memyselfI
03-25-2009, 06:21 AM
they are smart, they know that joe sixpack isn't going to watch the cable news wrap. all they have to do is move his script and then it looks like he's just up there speaking off the cuff.

i'm surprised no one is concerned that he can't do simple things like have a party for the president of Ireland without a teleprompter telling him what to say. maybe we should give up this ruse and name axelrod president?

I wouldn't say 'no one' is concerned. I think many people find it baffling and at odds with what we were told we were getting. I just think people are willing to give the guy the BOTD for a bit longer. But the chink is in the armor and the teleprompter was becoming a problem and the POTUS a joke. Nothing is more detrimental to a POTUS than his becoming a joke. Ask Ford or Bush Sr.

The Obots will follow Obummer, the teleprompter, and the Omax off a cliff...

Messier
03-25-2009, 07:20 AM
This is rich. The Obots using Bushbot tactics questioning patriotism. ROFLROFLROFL

I listened to a few right wing radio shows last night and all they were talking about were teleprompters. So it's nice to see you're using the right wing tactic of talking points.

***SPRAYER
03-25-2009, 07:30 AM
He's so presidential.

jiveturkey
03-25-2009, 07:33 AM
Is he the first President to use teleprompters?

I'm not getting all of the outrage.

And is a progressive tax code all of a sudden new? Haven't we been operating this way for a while now? How did it suddenly become communism?

Sully
03-25-2009, 07:40 AM
I was listening to his book on tape, and just realized something.

That sonofabitch probably didn't dictate the whole thing from memory.
In way over his head...POS.

blaise
03-25-2009, 07:44 AM
I thought it was interesting when one reporter asked him if he'd sign a budget without a middle class tax cut, and then Obama just sort of went back into campaign speech and didn't answer the question. So the reporter asked him again, and he still never really said yes or no, he just went back into campaign speak. I don't know why he didn't just say, "I want that, I can't guarantee that I won't sign onto anything that doesn't include that, but I'm trying my best to get it done." So in that respect I didn't think it was a no-BS press conference. It may have been a no-BS approach, but there was some BS in there, then again there always is with any President or politician.
And the other thing (I didn't see this live, I heard a clip this morning) was when he said we shouldn't demonize people trying to make money on the market. I think he's been being bit a of a demagogue with the evil business talk. I hope he follows what his own words. It seemed a little disingenuous to me. He's been stirring up fears and anxieties about the corruption on Wall Street to gain public approval and now it's in his best interest for the market to rebound and he's backing off of that.
I really don't care about the teleprompter.

patteeu
03-25-2009, 08:35 AM
I have to say that the teleprompter complaint is among the sillyest attacks I think anyone could come up with to go after Obama. His rhetorical abilities are among the best ever, both on and off script. He's not perfectly deciplined, but he has as good a grasp of the issues at hand, and the details of policy as anyone I can recall. There is a reason that they are trying to get him in front of everyone they can right now. With and without a script. He's good at this, and they know it.

You've got a short memory. Without a teleprompter crutch, Bill Clinton was superior to Obama.

patteeu
03-25-2009, 08:39 AM
Is he the first President to use teleprompters?

I'm not getting all of the outrage.

And is a progressive tax code all of a sudden new? Haven't we been operating this way for a while now? How did it suddenly become communism?

It's not the teleprompter that's creating the whoopla, it's Obama when he... uh... doesn't have... uh... it... and stuff.

jiveturkey
03-25-2009, 09:03 AM
It's not the teleprompter that's creating the whoopla, it's Obama when he... uh... doesn't have... uh... it... and stuff.
Well that's understandable but there also seems to be backlash against his use of it. He used it last night and he's getting reamed... or am I reading this wrong?

patteeu
03-25-2009, 09:10 AM
Well that's understandable but there also seems to be backlash against his use of it. He used it last night and he's getting reamed... or am I reading this wrong?

I didn't see the press conference, but what I'm getting from this thread is that Obama, reacting to the negative suggestions that he's dependent on his teleprompter, tried to make it look to the TV audience like he wasn't using a teleprompter.

Normally when a politician uses a teleprompter, he looks right and left and right and left where his screens are, but last night he had a large LCD monitor set up in the middle of the room so he could look forward without the telltale head swings. Just another case of Obama trying to pull one over on his audience, I guess.

BucEyedPea
03-25-2009, 09:22 AM
I didn't see the press conference, but what I'm getting from this thread is that Obama, reacting to the negative suggestions that he's dependent on his teleprompter, tried to make it look to the TV audience like he wasn't using a teleprompter.

Normally when a politician uses a teleprompter, he looks right and left and right and left where his screens are, but last night he had a large LCD monitor set up in the middle of the room so he could look forward without the telltale head swings. Just another case of Obama trying to pull one over on his audience, I guess.

Is that what he did? This guy is another empty suit for the elites that run this country.

Sully
03-25-2009, 09:24 AM
I didn't see the press conference, but what I'm getting from this thread is that Obama, reacting to the negative suggestions that he's dependent on his teleprompter, tried to make it look to the TV audience like he wasn't using a teleprompter.

Normally when a politician uses a teleprompter, he looks right and left and right and left where his screens are, but last night he had a large LCD monitor set up in the middle of the room so he could look forward without the telltale head swings. Just another case of Obama trying to pull one over on his audience, I guess.

It's weird that he was so self-conscious to put a giant TV in the middle of the room, but not smart enough to hide it, or at least keep it out of TV angles, so it wouldn't become the main talking point of the day. What a dope!!!

ROFL

J Diddy
03-25-2009, 09:37 AM
I didn't see the press conference, but what I'm getting from this thread is that Obama, reacting to the negative suggestions that he's dependent on his teleprompter, tried to make it look to the TV audience like he wasn't using a teleprompter.

Normally when a politician uses a teleprompter, he looks right and left and right and left where his screens are, but last night he had a large LCD monitor set up in the middle of the room so he could look forward without the telltale head swings. Just another case of Obama trying to pull one over on his audience, I guess.


I love how folks are guessing at anything to call him a dope. Reminds me of the saying if you assume you make an ass out of u and me.

RINGLEADER
03-25-2009, 09:45 AM
I have to say that the teleprompter complaint is among the sillyest attacks I think anyone could come up with to go after Obama. His rhetorical abilities are among the best ever, both on and off script. He's not perfectly deciplined, but he has as good a grasp of the issues at hand, and the details of policy as anyone I can recall. There is a reason that they are trying to get him in front of everyone they can right now. With and without a script. He's good at this, and they know it.

The teleprompter is fun to make light of, nothing more.

He's not as good off-script. All the more reason he should stay on one.

RINGLEADER
03-25-2009, 09:53 AM
You've got a short memory. Without a teleprompter crutch, Bill Clinton was superior to Obama.

This is true.

But he does have good writers. They do a great job of hiding things like unnecessary taxes on energy to make alternative forms of energy more affordable by calling it "cap and trade". Mainly because they couldn't sell what it really should be called: a tax increase on 100% of Amercians.

jjjayb
03-25-2009, 09:57 AM
I have to say that the teleprompter complaint is among the sillyest attacks I think anyone could come up with to go after Obama. His rhetorical abilities are among the best ever, both on and off script. He's not perfectly deciplined, but he has as good a grasp of the issues at hand, and the details of policy as anyone I can recall. There is a reason that they are trying to get him in front of everyone they can right now. With and without a script. He's good at this, and they know it.

Because uhhh, without uhhh his teleprompter and his scripts he uhh sounds like a rambling ummm bufoon.

jjjayb
03-25-2009, 10:02 AM
Well that's understandable but there also seems to be backlash against his use of it. He used it last night and he's getting reamed... or am I reading this wrong?

That's because the opening statement of this thread said he didn't need his teleprompter to make his point.

RINGLEADER
03-25-2009, 10:06 AM
No where near as good as Bush classics like "Fool Me Once", but fun nonetheless...

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jAZ
03-25-2009, 10:22 AM
Because uhhh, without uhhh his teleprompter and his scripts he uhh sounds like a rambling ummm bufoon.
This is what I'm talking about.

This level of observation is just outright stupid.

Don't confuse fun to make fun of with sounds like a bufoon.

Anyone who watches any of Obama's unscripted moments can probably find A thing to criticize (aside from policy) but you'll have to sit through an hour of discussion that is 10x more robust and knowledgeable than Bush's best moment ever.

Bush is certainly not a grand comparison, but it makes the point pretty well.

RINGLEADER
03-25-2009, 10:29 AM
This is what I'm talking about.

This level of observation is just outright stupid.

Don't confuse fun to make fun of with sounds like a bufoon.

Anyone who watches any of Obama's unscripted moments can probably find A thing to criticize (aside from policy) but you'll have to sit through an hour of discussion that is 10x more robust and knowledgeable than Bush's best moment ever.

Bush is certainly not a grand comparison, but it makes the point pretty well.

You are so right. It's not how he's speaking that people should pay attention to -- it's what he is saying.

patteeu
03-25-2009, 10:33 AM
This is true.

But he does have good writers. They do a great job of hiding things like unnecessary taxes on energy to make alternative forms of energy more affordable by calling it "cap and trade". Mainly because they couldn't sell what it really should be called: a tax increase on 100% of Amercians.

Yes.

BigChiefFan
03-25-2009, 10:35 AM
This is rich. The Obots using Bushbot tactics questioning patriotism. ROFLROFLROFLIt's even funnier that you now side with religious fanatics.:D Karma for you.

BigChiefFan
03-25-2009, 10:38 AM
Yea, Bush was regular fucking Einstein without a teleprompter, right? Clutch at straws, much?

jjjayb
03-25-2009, 10:47 AM
This is what I'm talking about.

This level of observation is just outright stupid.

Don't confuse fun to make fun of with sounds like a bufoon.

Anyone who watches any of Obama's unscripted moments can probably find A thing to criticize (aside from policy) but you'll have to sit through an hour of discussion that is 10x more robust and knowledgeable than Bush's best moment ever.

Bush is certainly not a grand comparison, but it makes the point pretty well.

It's exactly what you and the media have been doing for the last 8 years while Bush was in office. How many times did we have to see every little speech flub that Bush made repeated over and over on the nightly news and discussed ad naseum? How many times did you rip bush not for what he said but how he delivered it? Now you don't like it? Too bad.

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Sully
03-25-2009, 10:48 AM
That bumper sticker is awesome.
Not for the reason you think it is.

patteeu
03-25-2009, 10:54 AM
Yea, Bush was regular ****ing Einstein without a teleprompter, right? Clutch at straws, much?

Unlike the present POTUS, Bush's primary strength wasn't his ability to give a mesmerizing speech as long as it was scrolling smoothly on his teleprompter.

BigChiefFan
03-25-2009, 10:59 AM
Unlike the present POTUS, Bush's primary strength wasn't his ability to give a mesmerizing speech as long as it was scrolling smoothly on his teleprompter.Being a dumbass isn't a strength. Bush didn't have a strength, other than being privy to being apart of the good 'ol boy network. It's not what you know, but WHO you know. Bush was in, way over his head. He's not even a good businessman. He ran our country down the shitter, just like he ran his companies.

jAZ
03-25-2009, 11:03 AM
It's exactly what you and the media have been doing for the last 8 years while Bush was in office. How many times did we have to see every little speech flub that Bush made repeated over and over on the nightly news and discussed ad naseum? How many times did you rip bush not for what he said but how he delivered it? Now you don't like it? Too bad.

If the comparisons were equal, you'd have a case. But it just sorta looks pathetic to try to compare Obama's ability to communicate with Bush's. You do your cause a disservice to try to attack Obama in this way.

It's like criticizing Amazon or Ebay for being failed .com's because eToys.com couldn't be profitable.

Amazon and eBay have their own faults, making a profit online isn't one of them.

Criticize an actual weakness, don't just pick someone elses weakness and complain about that.

And as RINGLEADER points out, aside for the lack of merit in bitching about style, it's a distraction from your real concers over policy. You are losing focus.

patteeu
03-25-2009, 11:09 AM
Being a dumbass isn't a strength. Bush didn't have a strength, other than being privy to being apart of the good 'ol boy network. It's not what you know, but WHO you know. Bush was in, way over his head. He's not even a good businessman. He ran our country down the shitter, just like he ran his companies.

You can relax now. Bush is gone. Wipe the foam from your mouth, too.

patteeu
03-25-2009, 11:18 AM
If the comparisons were equal, you'd have a case. But it just sorta looks pathetic to try to compare Obama's ability to communicate with Bush's. You do your cause a disservice to try to attack Obama in this way.

It's like criticizing Amazon or Ebay for being failed .com's because eToys.com couldn't be profitable.

Amazon and eBay have their own faults, making a profit online isn't one of them.

Criticize an actual weakness, don't just pick someone elses weakness and complain about that.

And as RINGLEADER points out, aside for the lack of merit in bitching about style, it's a distraction from your real concers over policy. You are losing focus.

There's a massive group of people whose support is entirely driven by the superficial. Many of them voted for Obama because of his ability to give a good speech. You encourage Obama critics to focus on "legitimate" policy issues because you fear that lifting the curtain on Obama's act will sour this group of emotional voters just as it turned some people away from Bush. I don't blame you. I think it will too.

BigChiefFan
03-25-2009, 11:20 AM
You can relax now. Bush is gone. Wipe the foam from your mouth, too. Seriously, I thought Bush started off in the right direction, but was quickly consumed with is OWN AGENDA and payback to those that got him elected. He was willing to REVISE the constitution to get his way-that's not somebody that should get a free pass, regardless if they still hold the office or not.

patteeu
03-25-2009, 11:25 AM
Exhibit A

Fish
03-25-2009, 11:30 AM
There's a massive group of people whose support is entirely driven by the superficial. Many of them voted for Obama because of his ability to give a good speech. You encourage Obama critics to focus on "legitimate" policy issues because you fear that lifting the curtain on Obama's act will sour this group of emotional voters just as it turned some people away from Bush. I don't blame you. I think it will too.

Ability to give a good speech? But Pat.... this doesn't exactly fall in line with what you were trying to argue a few days ago....

I'm confused on why you would change your opinion in less than 48 hours...?

Of course I could tell it was looped. I'm asking you why you jumped to the conclusion that the author *had* to loop it 4 times. He didn't have to loop it at all and if he wanted to make a longer video about Obama's speaking difficulties without looping it, he could have easily found other examples. memyselfi, for one, has posted a few here. If you've been paying attention to Obama, you should be aware of this. He's a far less effective speaker sans teleprompter. I can't believe there are really still people, even among Obama's faithful, who don't recognize this.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=5604248&postcount=29

LOCOChief
03-25-2009, 11:34 AM
I never want to hear a president say “look, I'm not going to lie to you", and continue to say "look I inherited this mess" Take ownership, this is the job you asked for. His tone was condescending and left me very uninspired. I actually prayed for the guy yesterday morning and I did again today after the address, but his policies and actions as they pertain to my industry have been a disaster thus far and that is a fact that those of us in the "know" a very aware of. I hope he's more effective with his plans for the budget but we should all have skepticism because the potential cost is more than an insurmountable deficit it could be our liberty as well.

patteeu
03-25-2009, 11:39 AM
Ability to give a good speech? But Pat.... this doesn't exactly fall in line with what you were trying to argue a few days ago....

I'm confused on why you would change your opinion in less than 48 hours...?



http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=5604248&postcount=29

I'm confused about how you could conclude that I've changed my opinion. I haven't changed anything.

Obama has a fantastic political ability to give a top notch speech as long as he's either intimately familiar with the script (after giving a stump speech a bazillion times on the campaign trail, for example) or when he has a teleprompter. Without the teleprompter, he has "difficulties" and he's "far less effective". :shrug:

BigChiefFan
03-25-2009, 11:41 AM
I'm confused about how you could conclude that I've changed my opinion. I haven't changed anything.

Obama has a fantastic political ability to give a top notch speech as long as he's either intimately familiar with the script (after giving a stump speech a bazillion times on the campaign trail, for example) or when he has a teleprompter. Without the teleprompter, he has "difficulties" and he's "far less effective". :shrug:You mean reading is actually easier, than studying? Who woulda thunk it? Say it isn't so, Joe. :rolleyes:

headsnap
03-25-2009, 11:45 AM
Seriously, I thought Obama started off in the right direction, but was quickly consumed with is OWN AGENDA and payback to those that got him elected. He was willing to REVISE the constitution to get his way-that's not somebody that should get a free pass, regardless if they still hold the office or not.

fyp

jAZ
03-25-2009, 11:45 AM
There's a massive group of people whose support is entirely driven by the superficial. Many of them voted for Obama because of his ability to give a good speech. You encourage Obama critics to focus on "legitimate" policy issues because you fear that lifting the curtain on Obama's act will sour this group of emotional voters just as it turned some people away from Bush. I don't blame you. I think it will too.

No, that's not what I said. That's what RINGLEADER said, and I see the merit in his point.

I said that attacking him for his ability to communicate does a disservice to your cause because it's so far from true that you look stupid trying to make the case.

You are far better served to follow the Clinton "slick talking" model and build up public distrust of how strong his communication skills are. But using the same weapon others used agaisnt Bush to attack Obama is just a deeply flawed strategy.

BigChiefFan
03-25-2009, 11:46 AM
fypI can speak for myself. Thank you very much. Yes, Obama's agenda is to make us Commies, right?:doh!:ROFL

patteeu
03-25-2009, 11:49 AM
No, that's not what I said. That's what RINGLEADER said, and I see the merit in his point.

I said that attacking him for his ability to communicate does a disservice to your cause because it's so far from true that you look stupid trying to make the case.

You are far better served to follow the Clinton "slick talking" model and build up public distrust of how strong his communication skills are. But using the same weapon others used agaisnt Bush to attack Obama is just a deeply flawed strategy.

I don't see the wisdom in your words. I still think you're afraid of what will happen when enough people start to realize that the Obama candidacy over promised and will dramatically under deliver.

Fish
03-25-2009, 11:50 AM
I'm confused about how you could conclude that I've changed my opinion. I haven't changed anything.

Obama has a fantastic political ability to give a top notch speech as long as he's either intimately familiar with the script (after giving a stump speech a bazillion times on the campaign trail, for example) or when he has a teleprompter. Without the teleprompter, he has "difficulties" and he's "far less effective". :shrug:

Uhh huhh... 2 days ago you "couldn't believe there were still people, even among Obama's faithful", who couldn't recognize "Obama's speaking difficulties", but today "Obama has a fantastic political ability to give a top notch speech".

:shrug:

jAZ
03-25-2009, 11:53 AM
I'm confused about how you could conclude that I've changed my opinion. I haven't changed anything.

Obama has a fantastic political ability to give a top notch speech as long as he's either intimately familiar with the script (after giving a stump speech a bazillion times on the campaign trail, for example) or when he has a teleprompter. Without the teleprompter, he has "difficulties" and he's "far less effective". :shrug:

Obama is such an amazing speaker with a prepared speech, that Republicans are hoping that being simply great but not perfect at off the cuff remarks will make him look bad.

But it's a bad tactic because it bears no resemplance to reality.

He's very, very good at both.

He's even better with the big speech.

People see that, and I belive that no amount of ranting about teleprompters will work, because he'll just keep going before the pubilc in unscripted venues and blow people away with his grasp of the material and poise.

You should taking the "he's too slick to be trusted" approach if you want to go after him effectively in this area.

I think the whole approach is FAIL, myself.

jAZ
03-25-2009, 11:58 AM
I don't see the wisdom in your words. I still think you're afraid of what will happen when enough people start to realize that the Obama candidacy over promised and will dramatically under deliver.
That's something different than either point. That can work too. But that's not "teleprompter" non-sense.

And by the way, why do Cons always have to act like they believe their own BS? I means seriously, anyone paying attention knows that Obamas problem isn't that he doesn't have enough of a grasp of the material to be able to speak off script about it. He's brilliant, he knows this stuff amazingly well. He demonstrates it in every press conference and every interview, in every town forum, in every similar forum.

He's better on script, but no one really believes he bad off script.

I give you credit for coming closer to admitting that fact and talking about the tactics of the game from a distance.

I think this forum would be better if both sides could seperate the tactics (worthy of disucssion) from the passion for the issues (also worthy of discussion).

BigChiefFan
03-25-2009, 12:02 PM
Obama is such an amazing speaker with a prepared speech, that Republicans are hoping that being simply great but not perfect at off the cuff remarks will make him look bad.

But it's a bad tactic because it bears no resemplance to reality.

He's very, very good at both.

He's even better with the big speech.

People see that, and I belive that no amount of ranting about teleprompters will work, because he'll just keep going before the pubilc in unscripted venues and blow people away with his grasp of the material and poise.

You should taking the "he's too slick to be trusted" approach if you want to go after him effectively in this area.

I think the whole approach is FAIL, myself.Pssst. Don't tell 'em how lame-ass their argument is. It's fun to see that the Republicans really care about America's real issues, like whether or not our Prez uses a teleprompter. Such important issues that they really are getting to the bottom of.:D That's our valuable tax dollars at work from the mighty Repubs. Money well spent, wouldn't you say?

blaise
03-25-2009, 12:05 PM
That's something different than either point. That can work too. But that's not "teleprompter" non-sense.

And by the way, why do Cons always have to act like they believe their own BS? I means seriously, anyone paying attention knows that Obamas problem isn't that he doesn't have enough of a grasp of the material to be able to speak off script about it. He's brilliant, he knows this stuff amazingly well. He demonstrates it in every press conference and every interview, in every town forum, in every similar forum.

He's better on script, but no one really believes he bad off script.

I give you credit for coming closer to admitting that fact and talking about the tactics of the game from a distance.

I think this forum would be better if both sides could seperate the tactics (worthy of disucssion) from the passion for the issues (also worthy of discussion).

I love how Liberals don't act like they believe their own BS. The whole political ideology is just pure, honest, and lacking in any BS.

BigChiefFan
03-25-2009, 12:07 PM
Telepromptergate. Oh noes. The President of our United States, using a telprompter? The sky must be falling.

VAChief
03-25-2009, 12:10 PM
Do the reporters submit their questions before the press conference? If not, why would the teleprompter, jumbotron or whatever you want to call it matter?

blaise
03-25-2009, 12:14 PM
Pssst. Don't tell 'em how lame-ass their argument is. It's fun to see that the Republicans really care about America's real issues, like whether or not our Prez uses a teleprompter. Such important issues that they really are getting to the bottom of.:D That's our valuable tax dollars at work from the mighty Repubs. Money well spent, wouldn't you say?

Republicans are spending tax dollars to make jokes about teleprompters?

Sully
03-25-2009, 12:40 PM
Do the reporters submit their questions before the press conference? If not, why would the teleprompter, jumbotron or whatever you want to call it matter?

It wasn't on during the sizeable Q&A portion of the press conference.

How do I know?
From many of the TV angles it was very clearly shown to be blank.

patteeu
03-25-2009, 01:43 PM
Uhh huhh... 2 days ago you "couldn't believe there were still people, even among Obama's faithful", who couldn't recognize "Obama's speaking difficulties", but today "Obama has a fantastic political ability to give a top notch speech".

:shrug:

You're helping me to understand how a portion of the Obama faithful can remain so clueless.

patteeu
03-25-2009, 01:44 PM
Obama is such an amazing speaker with a prepared speech, that Republicans are hoping that being simply great but not perfect at off the cuff remarks will make him look bad.

But it's a bad tactic because it bears no resemplance to reality.

He's very, very good at both.

He's even better with the big speech.

People see that, and I belive that no amount of ranting about teleprompters will work, because he'll just keep going before the pubilc in unscripted venues and blow people away with his grasp of the material and poise.

You should taking the "he's too slick to be trusted" approach if you want to go after him effectively in this area.

I think the whole approach is FAIL, myself.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree about how "great" he is off-the-cuff.

Direckshun
03-25-2009, 01:44 PM
I didn't see the press conference, but what I'm getting from this thread is that Obama, reacting to the negative suggestions that he's dependent on his teleprompter, tried to make it look to the TV audience like he wasn't using a teleprompter.

Normally when a politician uses a teleprompter, he looks right and left and right and left where his screens are, but last night he had a large LCD monitor set up in the middle of the room so he could look forward without the telltale head swings. Just another case of Obama trying to pull one over on his audience, I guess.

Yes, reading ChiefsPlanet, you would think that this was the major thing to get out of the news conference.

And people wonder why I say ChiefsPlanet is way, way out of the mainstream.

patteeu
03-25-2009, 01:46 PM
Do the reporters submit their questions before the press conference? If not, why would the teleprompter, jumbotron or whatever you want to call it matter?

The teleprompter/jumbotron would only be used for the prepared remarks. Like I said earlier, I didn't see the press conference, but I assume there was a significant prepared remark before questions were entertained was there not?

Direckshun
03-25-2009, 01:46 PM
http://images7.cafepress.com/product/318209827v13_240x240_Front.jpg

That bumper sticker is awesome.
Not for the reason you think it is.
+1. Loud and clear.

Fat Elvis
03-25-2009, 01:53 PM
I'm confused about how you could conclude that I've changed my opinion. I haven't changed anything.

Obama has a fantastic political ability to give a top notch speech as long as he's either intimately familiar with the script (after giving a stump speech a bazillion times on the campaign trail, for example) or when he has a teleprompter. Without the teleprompter, he has "difficulties" and he's "far less effective". :shrug:


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_29DWeWeHZq8/SPeTmYweuJI/AAAAAAAAArM/azX0N7WEp0E/s400/Obama-McCain+debate.jpg

vailpass
03-25-2009, 01:59 PM
He's got the talking part done. I would not mind if he did not hold another presser or appear on another talk show for half a year. If instead he concentrated on producing tangible results that started this great country on the road to recovery. It is my sincere hope and desire that this occurs.

blaise
03-25-2009, 02:02 PM
It seems to me there's been a lot more words written in the thread in defense of his teleprompter use than there has been to criticize him for it.

KC Dan
03-25-2009, 02:03 PM
Yes, reading ChiefsPlanet, you would think that this was the major thing to get out of the news conference.

And people wonder why I say ChiefsPlanet is way, way out of the mainstream.
The teleprompter crap is stupid. what I got out of that teleconference:

1) He plans on putting this country so far in debt that it may bankrupt us if the economy doesn't explode upward.

2) The administration cherry-picks questioners to get questions that they are prepared to answer and stumble when pressed on ones they did not want to discuss. (nothing new - every president does this)

3) Lastly, and most worriesome, this plan to take control of any company that the gov't deems necessary scares the lining crap out of me. That is not the America that I grew up in. It's more the country that Stalin grew up in.

I hate politicians. They don't do what is right for the country as a whole. They do what's right for the constituancy group that they want to re-elect them.....

jAZ
03-25-2009, 02:03 PM
Yes, reading ChiefsPlanet, you would think that this was the major thing to get out of the news conference.

And people wonder why I say ChiefsPlanet is way, way out of the mainstream.

How did I miss this stupity?

I didn't see the press conference, but what I'm getting from this thread is that Obama, reacting to the negative suggestions that he's dependent on his teleprompter, tried to make it look to the TV audience like he wasn't using a teleprompter.

Normally when a politician uses a teleprompter, he looks right and left and right and left where his screens are, but last night he had a large LCD monitor set up in the middle of the room so he could look forward without the telltale head swings. Just another case of Obama trying to pull one over on his audience, I guess.
patteeu, listen to the paranoia you are espousing here? Have you never seen a presidential address to the nation before?

They look into the camera and read the remarks below it, because the camera and the viewers are the audience.

Holy hell, this is beyond stupid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dVm66pxBMw
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/182564/726803

Direckshun
03-25-2009, 02:09 PM
The teleprompter crap is stupid. what I got out of that teleconference:

1) He plans on putting this country so far in debt that it may bankrupt us if the economy doesn't explode upward.

2) The administration cherry-picks questioners to get questions that they are prepared to answer and stumble when pressed on ones they did not want to discuss. (nothing new - every president does this)

3) Lastly, and most worriesome, this plan to take control of any company that the gov't deems necessary scares the lining crap out of me. That is not the America that I grew up in. It's more the country that Stalin grew up in.

I hate politicians. They don't do what is right for the country as a whole. They do what's right for the constituancy group that they want to re-elect them.....

While I disagree with your #1 and #3 (I discussed #2 earlier in this very thread), I think this is a fair perspective, and by far the most reasonable of the last 50 posts.

vailpass
03-25-2009, 02:13 PM
It's Tiger Woods' problem now.

Rigodan
03-25-2009, 02:16 PM
I think most americans understand his point.

If Bill Gates gives $100 to charity he gets to take $39 off his taxes. I give $100 to charity I get to take $28.00 off my taxes. It's no big deal for Bill Gates to get back $32.00 instead of $39.00 for every $100.00. A very minor and small sacrifice IMHO.

I thought it was hilarious when Obama said it wasn't fair that poor people dont get back as much when they give to charity. It's much more fair than making 5% of the population carry the tax burden for the other 95%.

Besides we're talking about taxing charitable donations here. Are you fucking kidding me? We're going to tax charity now?

***SPRAYER
03-25-2009, 02:16 PM
http://www.moonbattery.com/Barack_Backmouthin.jpg

Rigodan
03-25-2009, 02:21 PM
The teleprompter crap is stupid. what I got out of that teleconference:

:clap:

Fish
03-25-2009, 02:22 PM
You're helping me to understand how a portion of the Obama faithful can remain so clueless.

Sure Pat. Nice response. Glad to help.

Rigodan
03-25-2009, 02:23 PM
While I disagree with your #1 and #3 (I discussed #2 earlier in this very thread), I think this is a fair perspective, and by far the most reasonable of the last 50 posts.

With regard to #1, you're saying that his doubling of the national debt in the next 10 years doesn't bother you at all?

***SPRAYER
03-25-2009, 02:38 PM
TOTUS

http://michellemalkin.cachefly.net/michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/prompter2.jpg

Direckshun
03-25-2009, 03:12 PM
With regard to #1, you're saying that his doubling of the national debt in the next 10 years doesn't bother you at all?

I don't follow how you conclude that's what I meant.

I think that if our future budgets were mirror reflections of this one, then yes, the national debt would skyrocket. My understanding is the future budgets would be greatly tweaked to account for severe debt payback.

So at this point, it is a game of how much you trust Obama. If you harbor a lot of trust for the guy, you believe he is serious about tackling this deficit--eventually.

I belong in that particularly grouping, because Obama ran on a large, sweeping platform and has almost entirely stuck to that gameplan since becoming elected. He's rewarding my trust in the campaign with his actions now. I trust that he'll repeat the same trick in the second term (where I think a majority of his debt reduction would come).

HonestChieffan
03-25-2009, 05:50 PM
After its all said and done the guy did avoid answering almost every question with outstanding mumbojumbo and deft moves to deflect or just confuse. My fav was the question about deficits in the out years of upwards of 9 tril. He said yea but Bush gave me a deficit of 1.4 tril.

Tell me where in that is there an answer?

wild1
03-25-2009, 06:02 PM
After its all said and done the guy did avoid answering almost every question with outstanding mumbojumbo and deft moves to deflect or just confuse. My fav was the question about deficits in the out years of upwards of 9 tril. He said yea but Bush gave me a deficit of 1.4 tril.

Tell me where in that is there an answer?

"We inherited this deficit, so you can't blame us when we increase it 10 fold"

VAChief
03-25-2009, 06:13 PM
The teleprompter/jumbotron would only be used for the prepared remarks. Like I said earlier, I didn't see the press conference, but I assume there was a significant prepared remark before questions were entertained was there not?

I turned it on about 10 minutes in (realizing their were reruns on Comedy Central) and he was finishing his remarks. The next 40 or 50 minutes was answering questions that were not released to him beforehand. I also saw nothing of the prompter during that time.

This seems like a lot of butt hurting over nothing of substance.

VAChief
03-25-2009, 06:16 PM
George Sr. called Reagan's policies "voodoo economics." How much of this bluster from Rebuttbuddicans is just partisan bs and how much will really ring true, only time will tell. I give him credit for at least not being a pussy like Clinton and making promises and then backing down from them (healthcare, etc.).

Rigodan
03-25-2009, 08:21 PM
I'll give Obama that, he is trying to come through on his major promises aside from the whole changing Washington thing (no lobbyists, partisanship etc.). Unfortunately if he succeeds with most of them he'll likely bankrupt America.

BigRedChief
03-25-2009, 10:00 PM
I'll give Obama that, he is trying to come through on his major promises aside from the whole changing Washington thing (no lobbyists, partisanship etc.). Unfortunately if he succeeds with most of them he'll likely bankrupt America.
He's only doing what he promised he would do during the campaign. A politician keeping his word? Not settling for the average, listen to the a-holes in Washington who say we can't do this or that. Screw that we voted for change. Give me some frigging change as promised.

Lest me forget our history...The 1994 Clinton budget was going to cause a depression in the USA according to the Republicans, History says we had a pretty good economy after that budget passed, not a depression. So as far as I'm concerned the Republicans have no street cred on this issue.

Come up with a budget instead of just saying no.....

J Diddy
03-25-2009, 10:02 PM
He's only doing what he promised he would do during the campaign. A politician keeping his word? Not settling for the average, listen to the a-holes in Washington who say we can't do this or that.

Lesrt me forget our history...The 1994 Cbudget was going to cause a depression in the USA according to the Republicans, History says we had a prety good economy after thatr budget passed, not a depression. So as far as I'm concerned the Republicans have no street vred on this issue.

Come up with a budget instead of just saying no.....


You hit the nail on the head. The majority of the moaning is from people who didn't want him to do what he said he was gonna do during the campaign. Their bitching (almost constantly) is an extension of that.

patteeu
03-25-2009, 10:53 PM
I don't follow how you conclude that's what I meant.

I think that if our future budgets were mirror reflections of this one, then yes, the national debt would skyrocket. My understanding is the future budgets would be greatly tweaked to account for severe debt payback.

So at this point, it is a game of how much you trust Obama. If you harbor a lot of trust for the guy, you believe he is serious about tackling this deficit--eventually.

I belong in that particularly grouping, because Obama ran on a large, sweeping platform and has almost entirely stuck to that gameplan since becoming elected. He's rewarding my trust in the campaign with his actions now. I trust that he'll repeat the same trick in the second term (where I think a majority of his debt reduction would come).

Wow. Debt reduction? Please. When was the last time a president actually reduced the debt? And you're willing to re-elect Obama no matter how much debt he piles on in the first term on the hope that he will reduce the debt in the second? You must be the king of all suckers. Obama loves you.

Frankie
03-26-2009, 10:13 AM
Watching this was like watching the Teen America Candidate from South Carolina explain geography. Like maps and such in the Iraq.

Can you believe that this is jAZ's hero? What a complete dipshit. Obama not jAZ. jAZ is just a stupid liar - not a dipshit.

ROFLROFLROFL
THIS???!!!!.... AFTER 8 YEARS OF A GULLIBLE DEER-IN-HEADLIGHTS POTUS SCREWING UP EVERY OTHER SENTENCE IN EVERY PC?! You are funny Velvet.

***SPRAYER
03-26-2009, 10:13 AM
THIS!!!

lol