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ChiefRon
03-24-2009, 09:23 PM
Didn't see this posted already...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/03/24/chiefs.gonzalez.ap/index.html?eref=si_nfl

KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) -- Contrary to remarks by Kansas City owner Clark Hunt, Tony Gonzalez wants to be traded if the right deal can be made, a person close to the Pro Bowl tight end told The Associated Press on Tuesday.

Asking not to be identified because of the sensitivity of the subject, the person said Gonzalez was surprised that Hunt had said the Chiefs were definitely not going to trade their 10-time Pro Bowler.

"If the right deal can be made, Tony very much wants the Chiefs to trade him," the person said. "Tony is not demanding a trade. Tony cherishes the time he's spent with the Chiefs and he loves the way he's always been treated by the fans there. But he knows of some other teams that would be interested in him and if the right deal can be made, he wants it to be made."

A Chiefs spokesman said Hunt could not be immediately reached. At the owners' meeting in Dana Point, Calif., on Monday, Hunt said the Chiefs had decided not to deal Gonzalez, whose many NFL records includes the most catches, yards receiving and touchdown receptions by a tight end.

"We certainly will not seek a trade for Tony," Hunt told The Kansas City Star. "I think he's excited about the changes we've made here. I think he recognizes that with Todd (Haley) as the head coach, we're going to have an exciting offense and one that will feature the passing game."

Since the end of a 2-14 season, the Chiefs have installed Scott Pioli as general manager and Haley as head coach.

The 33-year-old Gonzalez asked to be traded last October. But then-general manager Carl Peterson said no team that Gonzalez was willing to go to made a good enough offer.

The only tight end in NFL history selected to 10 Pro Bowls, Gonzalez was usually double-teamed last year but still caught 96 passes for 1,058 yards and 10 touchdowns. He plans on playing at least one more season and possibly two.

"If the Chiefs can't make a deal with the right team, then Tony will be fine with that," The AP was told. "He is not demanding a trade. But if the right deal can be made, he very much would like to be traded."

Bwana
03-24-2009, 09:25 PM
Dear Tony:

Deal with it.

talastan
03-24-2009, 09:25 PM
Does anyone think Tony will pull a C**tler in this? :shrug: I hope not.

keg in kc
03-24-2009, 09:29 PM
I don't blame him. He's only playing 2 or 3 more years and unless he really is a spoiled prima donna only in it for the money (which I don't believe...), he's going to want a chance at a title before he retires. Which he won't get here, not in that time frame.

I'd say wish him the best of luck and get as much for him as you can.

Pioli Zombie
03-24-2009, 09:29 PM
Buh-bye Tony.

He'll be outta here faster than shit thru a goose.
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ChiefMojo
03-24-2009, 09:31 PM
Unless he wants to go against everything he has always stood for, he isn't going anywhere. Face it, he will retire a Chief! I don't see Tony pulling a Cutler.

KcMizzou
03-24-2009, 09:35 PM
Does anyone think Tony will pull a C**tler in this? :shrug: I hope not.Doesn't sound like it.

"If the Chiefs can't make a deal with the right team, then Tony will be fine with that," The AP was told. "He is not demanding a trade. But if the right deal can be made, he very much would like to be traded."


But if that's how he feels, he should be telling Pioli that... and not yapping to the media.

Seems to me that he wants out, but this is his version of damage control. I think he does value his image, above all else. He wants that last shot... but he doesn't want the entire Chiefs fan base hating him, either.

Deberg_1990
03-24-2009, 09:35 PM
If he wants out, im sure the Chiefs will explore trade options. Its only smart.

Ive enjoyed him as a Chief, but hes not part of the long term plans. Hes only a TE.

OnTheWarpath58
03-24-2009, 09:35 PM
Does anyone think Tony will pull a C**tler in this? :shrug: I hope not.

Unless he wants to go against everything he has always stood for, he isn't going anywhere. Face it, he will retire a Chief! I don't see Tony pulling a Cutler.

He's not going to pull a Cutler for one simple reason:

It doesn't get him what he wants.

If he bitches and moans and makes demands, other teams know the Chiefs have no leverage, and will lower the offer.

In turn, Pioli's not going to give him away.

luv
03-24-2009, 09:36 PM
More money and a better chance of winning a ring. Hmmm. I wonder who WOULDN'T want to be traded in that case?

MIAdragon
03-24-2009, 09:37 PM
You never go FULL Cutler

BigChiefFan
03-24-2009, 09:38 PM
Bye, Tony. I'll hate to lose your talent, but you've become a fucking distraction.

DaKCMan AP
03-24-2009, 09:40 PM
Source: Chiefs don't give a shit about what Gonzalez wants.

Kyle DeLexus
03-24-2009, 09:41 PM
Doesn't sound like it.



But if that's how he feels, he should be telling Pioli that... and not yapping to the media.
Seems to me that he wants out, but this is his version of damage control. I think he does value his image, above all else. He wants that last shot... but he doesn't want the entire Chiefs fan base hating him, either.

But it was a source close to Tony :)

Deberg_1990
03-24-2009, 09:41 PM
Pioli has proven he knows when to dump an aging vet.

KcMizzou
03-24-2009, 09:42 PM
But it was a source close to Tony :)Heheh, yeahhhh...

Just like that source close to Brian Waters.

chiefs1111
03-24-2009, 09:42 PM
It seems like there is at least one story a month about how he wants out..

OnTheWarpath58
03-24-2009, 09:42 PM
Doesn't sound like it.



But if that's how he feels, he should be telling Pioli that... and not yapping to the media.

Seems to me that he wants out, but this is his version of damage control. I think he does value his image, above all else. He wants that last shot... but he doesn't want the entire Chiefs fan base hating him, either.

Of course he wants out.

He's only gone to the media 3-4 times in the past 18 months to say so.

Grant his ass his wish.

KcMizzou
03-24-2009, 09:44 PM
Of course he wants out.

He's only gone to the media 3-4 times in the past 18 months to say so.

Grant his ass his wish.Jason Taylor style.

(Meh, I'm not sure I mean that... I might. Give me some time.)

Mr. Kotter
03-24-2009, 09:45 PM
Clark qualified his statement....the Chiefs won't be shopping Tony--doesn't mean they won't listen to a reasonable proposal by someone. I think it would have to be a SB contender, that was willing to give at least a 3rd rounder--and after TG's second half last year, more likely a 2nd rounder. TG has 2-3 good years left....and could be the difference for a team like the Giants, the Patriots, the Jets, the Vikings, or maybe even someplace like Tennesee or Arizona.

:hmmm:

Deberg_1990
03-24-2009, 09:47 PM
Clark qualified his statement....the Chiefs won't be shopping Tony--doesn't mean they won't listen to a reasonable proposal by someone. I think it would have to be a SB contender, that was willing to give at least a 3rd rounder--and after TG's second half last year, more likely a 2nd rounder. TG has 2-3 good years left....and could be the difference for a team like the Giants, the Patriots, the Jets, the Vikings, or maybe even someplace like Tennesee or Arizona.

:hmmm:

They wont get a 2nd for him ever.

They did get offered a 3rd last year but Carl couldnt let his baby leave the nest and backed out.

PHOG
03-24-2009, 09:49 PM
Unless he wants to go against everything he has always stood for, he isn't going anywhere. Face it, he will retire a Chief! I don't see Tony pulling a Cutler.

Uh, seems to me, that's not what he's doing at all.....Chiefs are rebuilding, he doesn't have much time..... would like to ACTUALLY experience a playoff win...let alone being in the big one.... let alone winning it.

He's not being a whiny bitch , he''s proved himself...IMO....it's not his fault that his mentor (CeePee) gave him untold amounts of money that would guarentee he finished his career as a Chief...and he graciously accepted...

Just two sides of the story, and I guess we'll see what the new GM decides, I myself would get what I could for him....JMHO.

MIAdragon
03-24-2009, 09:50 PM
They wont get a 2nd for him ever.

They did get offered a 3rd last year but Carl couldnt let his baby leave the nest and backed out.

Id take a 3rd in a second.

Pioli Zombie
03-24-2009, 09:52 PM
If the Chiefs could ever get a 3rd for Gonzalaz and a 3rd for LJ it would be a great day.
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Deberg_1990
03-24-2009, 09:53 PM
IMO....it's not his fault that his mentor (CeePee) gave him untold amounts of money that would guarentee he finished his career as a Chief...and he graciously accepted...



Not his fault? Nobody forced him to sign with the Chiefs again. I dont feel sorry for him one bit.

PHOG
03-24-2009, 09:54 PM
Not his fault? Nobody forced him to sign with the Chiefs again. I dont feel sorry for him one bit.


You would 've turned it down? :spock:

dirk digler
03-24-2009, 09:54 PM
That sucks

shaneo69
03-24-2009, 09:55 PM
Oh this is a new thread? I just thought someone dredged up a thread from one of his six previous trade demands.

SBK
03-24-2009, 10:01 PM
If we end up drafting a QB (doubtful) then I want him to stay. Otherwise, well, bye.

beavis
03-24-2009, 10:01 PM
Tony, LJ, Waters, and a case of Natty to the Lions for #1.

whoman69
03-24-2009, 10:02 PM
While I can understand why Tony would want a trade, its best we keep him on. He has shown that despite the trade drama, he will go out and play hard every week. This team needs someone that a new QB can rely on when needed. If Gonzales goes, Bowe will never see a passing down that he doesn't get double teamed again. The Chiefs have few enough weapons on offense they can hardly be able to give them away. We still have a weak offensive line that has not proved it can run block or protect the QB. We still have no other recievers on this squad that can consistently catch balls. This team without Tony Gonzales would be a contender for 0-16.

Skip Towne
03-24-2009, 10:11 PM
But it was a source close to Tony :)

He can't tell Pioli. Pioli doesn't talk to players.

CaliforniaChief
03-24-2009, 10:14 PM
I have no problem with this for the simple fact that I know Tony will give the Chiefs 100% if he's not traded. He just needed to put this out there to keep his options open and allow the offers to come. There's nothing there about a demand, just making his wishes known. I hope we keep him. He's a great player and much more than "just a TE." He produces like a top flight WR and demands the kind of defensive attention a top flight WR does.

RINGLEADER
03-24-2009, 10:21 PM
Tony needs to get a grip.

RINGLEADER
03-24-2009, 10:21 PM
While I can understand why Tony would want a trade, its best we keep him on. He has shown that despite the trade drama, he will go out and play hard every week. This team needs someone that a new QB can rely on when needed. If Gonzales goes, Bowe will never see a passing down that he doesn't get double teamed again. The Chiefs have few enough weapons on offense they can hardly be able to give them away. We still have a weak offensive line that has not proved it can run block or protect the QB. We still have no other recievers on this squad that can consistently catch balls. This team without Tony Gonzales would be a contender for 0-16.

Yep. And this.

Reerun_KC
03-24-2009, 10:25 PM
Tony needs to get a grip.

Would be nice if he would just STFU, but that is to much to ask...

Cry baby #2 behind Big Crying Waters...

BigRock
03-24-2009, 10:28 PM
But he knows of some other teams that would be interested in him

TAMPERING.

Rat the teams out and get us some draft picks, Tony.

PastorMikH
03-24-2009, 10:33 PM
There's a part of me that would like to see the Chiefs go ahead and let Tony, LJ, and Waters go, then proceed to go to and win the Superbowl within 2 years.


In reality though, I have the same mentality with these guys as Denver should have with Cutler - You're under contract, shut up and play!

wazu
03-24-2009, 10:37 PM
It seems like every year Gonzo whines like a bitch about something. Our version of Cutler, I guess.

Frazod
03-24-2009, 10:38 PM
I'm getting really tired of his gas.

Love your work, Tony, but seriously, shut the fuck up already. You're a future hall of famer, a multi-millionaire and will absolutely get a job as an analyst when you retire. Stop acting like you're a leper begging for change.

DeezNutz
03-24-2009, 10:38 PM
I feel soooooo badly for these athletes who were forced to sign contracts of their own free will.

Fuck 'em. No one owes them shit.

FAX
03-24-2009, 10:41 PM
It will be nice when all these previously coddled veterans are gone. I've been a loyal Gonzo fan since the day he was drafted, but this is ridiculous. Clark is doing everything possible to build a winning franchise. Considering all the money he's paying these players, it seems to me that the least they can do is shut their burrito holes and focus on learning the system and making plays when their number is called. Even if TG is traded, he only has short odds that he'll go to a franchise that will find their way to the Super Bowl. That's why they play the games.

I'm weary of this drama.

FAX

BigChiefFan
03-24-2009, 10:44 PM
Hey Tony, with the throwback uniforms, consider yourself a Texan. 2 games into the season you'll get traded to the Chiefs.

wild1
03-24-2009, 10:45 PM
if we could get a decent pick for him, then i'd probably do it

DeezNutz
03-24-2009, 10:46 PM
if we could get a decent pick for him, then i'd probably do it

Just wait, "a asshole" will be along shortly to explain why he's worth a late 1st/early 2nd. And if you have the urge to agree with my previous statement, save yourself the hassle and don't.

58kcfan89
03-24-2009, 10:58 PM
It will be nice when all these previously coddled veterans are gone. I've been a loyal Gonzo fan since the day he was drafted, but this is ridiculous. Clark is doing everything possible to build a winning franchise. Considering all the money he's paying these players, it seems to me that the least they can do is shut their burrito holes and focus on learning the system and making plays when their number is called. Even if TG is traded, he only has short odds that he'll go to a franchise that will find their way to the Super Bowl. That's why they play the games.

I'm weary of this drama.

FAX

Pretty much sums up my thoughts on the subject.

And what's this whole "he's got 1 or 2 more years left" crap? I've never seen/heard anything about him showing up to a team activity out of shape and he's still very productive. I'm willing to bet he could play 3, maybe even 4 more seasons if he wants to. By that time, we should hopefully be competing for playoff spots & whatnot.

boogblaster
03-24-2009, 11:06 PM
Hope he stays ...

Count Alex's Losses
03-24-2009, 11:08 PM
Sorry Tony. We have a young quarterback. You can't leave now.

Count Alex's Losses
03-24-2009, 11:09 PM
I'm getting really tired of his gas.

Love your work, Tony, but seriously, shut the fuck up already. You're a future hall of famer, a multi-millionaire and will absolutely get a job as an analyst when you retire. Stop acting like you're a leper begging for change.

This.

T-post Tom
03-24-2009, 11:09 PM
"...a person close to the Pro Bowl tight end told The Associated Press on Tuesday."

Sorry, but this is nothing close to the Cutler saga. This team is going to need TG next season and Mr. Hunt has spoken. Story over.

BigChiefFan
03-24-2009, 11:10 PM
I thought you believed in Thigpen, Tony? Huh?? Fuckin' Prima donna.

KcMizzou
03-24-2009, 11:12 PM
"...a person close to the Pro Bowl tight end told The Associated Press on Tuesday."
That's Tony saying, "Off the record..."

Frazod
03-24-2009, 11:17 PM
Just wait, "a asshole" will be along shortly to explain why he's worth a late 1st/early 2nd. And if you have the urge to agree with my previous statement, save yourself the hassle and don't.

I'll bet both the Eagles and Giants wish they'd pulled the trigger on that deal last season, though.

wazu
03-24-2009, 11:20 PM
"...a person close to the Pro Bowl tight end told The Associated Press on Tuesday."

Sorry, but this is nothing close to the Cutler saga. This team is going to need TG next season and Mr. Hunt has spoken. Story over.

Eh, if it was unprecedented I'd give him the benefit of the doubt, but it seems like we have a Tony drama once or twice a year. I sometimes think he's wanted out of KC ever since he was drafted.

Count Alex's Losses
03-24-2009, 11:21 PM
Tony probably went a whole week without sex or something.

DeezNutz
03-24-2009, 11:22 PM
I'll bet both the Eagles and Giants wish they'd pulled the trigger on that deal last season, though.

It's a tough spot.

If you really have a legit shot at the SB, you have to pull out all the stops. But if my team gave up a high draft pick for an old player whose level of play could realistically fall off a cliff tomorrow (don't think it will with Gonzo, just saying) I would be beyond pissed.

And we're not talking about an old QB or dominant pass rusher; we're talking about a TE. Aside from KC fans, saying 1st rounder for a 30-something guy who plays an ancillary position will cause people to look twice.

T-post Tom
03-24-2009, 11:23 PM
That's Tony saying, "Off the record..."

Sounds like TG and BW are working from the same playbook then. I suspect Mr. Hunt's comments are final. Unless someone makes an offer that can't be refused.

KcMizzou
03-24-2009, 11:23 PM
Tony probably went a whole week without sex or something.He should just buy October another ring, and get over it.

RippedmyFlesh
03-24-2009, 11:23 PM
Trade him to the giants for a pass rusher..they have extras

Frazod
03-24-2009, 11:25 PM
It's a tough spot.

If you really have a legit shot at the SB, you have to pull out all the stops. But if my team gave up a high draft pick for an old player whose level of play could realistically fall off a cliff tomorrow (don't think it will with Gonzo, just saying) I would be beyond pissed.

And we're not talking an old QB or dominant pass rusher; we're talking about a TE. Aside from KC fans, saying 1st rounder for a 30 something guy who plays an ancillary position will cause people to look twice.

I agree. But Gonzalez would have immediately contributed and could have well put either one of them over the hump. And he is, at the moment, at least, at the top of his game and healthy. It is reasonable to assume he's got at least one good year left in him, so they would have had that plus the end of last season.

If it works, the GM is a hero. But even if it doesn't, I think it would have been an acceptable risk.

Now, with another year gone? Perhaps not.

DeezNutz
03-24-2009, 11:38 PM
I agree. But Gonzalez would have immediately contributed and could have well put either one of them over the hump. And he is, at the moment, at least, at the top of his game and healthy. It is reasonable to assume he's got at least one good year left in him, so they would have had that plus the end of last season.

If it works, the GM is a hero. But even if it doesn't, I think it would have been an acceptable risk.

Now, with another year gone? Perhaps not.

Gonzo is a special, freakish player. There's no doubt about this.

Last year I would have taken the second rounder for him. This year, though, you're right; the same value isn't going to be there.

Thus, with a new QB in the stable, he's too valuable of a security blanket, which is needed for the continued development of our team, to part with for a later-round pick.

Still doesn't change the fact that he needs to shut the **** up.

Mr. Kotter
03-25-2009, 12:33 AM
Trade him to the giants for a pass rusher..they have extras

No kiddin'..... :hmmm:

KCtotheSB
03-25-2009, 01:27 AM
I like Tony and wish for him to retire as a Chief, but I'm on board with most everyone else here. I understand you want to go to a championship contender, but you can look directly at Jason Taylor and the Dolphins on how quickly things can change in the NFL. Of course, I don't want to blatantly state that we're going to the Super Bowl (or the playoffs) anytime soon....but things can change like *snap*...that.

Also, I'm very sick of athletes UNDER CONTRACT bitching and complaining about where THEY want to go. The front office has ponied up the dough and you signed that contract of your own free will. Nobody owes you shit. Put on some pads and keep making it hell over the middle for defenders.

Micjones
03-25-2009, 01:36 AM
The inmates keep trying to run the asylum.

This is getting old...and fast.

Clark Hunt has made a hell of an effort at changing the culture of this franchise with Pioli, Haley, and his commitment to building a winning organization.

None of these players give the Chiefs great options for moving them off the roster. Gonzalez is still a stud, but his time is getting shorter by the day. Johnson's off the field troubles are going to keep teams at a distance. Waters isn't exactly a spring chicken himself.

The three of them would be GREAT pieces, even if only temporarily, to this team over the next couple years.

Suck it up gents and play ball.
Damn.

Mecca
03-25-2009, 01:44 AM
If you want to change the culture generally it means getting rid of players who were the "leaders" of the culture you are trying to change.

Guru
03-25-2009, 01:53 AM
SSDD

kstater
03-25-2009, 04:57 AM
Ever since Tony gave up meat, he's been asking for a trade. :hmmm:

Pioli Zombie
03-25-2009, 05:49 AM
Gonzo and LJ, if they can fetch a couple of decent picks, are Gonzo.
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the Talking Can
03-25-2009, 05:56 AM
ship that whiny ass bidge out

J Diddy
03-25-2009, 06:12 AM
ship that whiny ass bidge out


No kidding, 22 players off the street could have won two games....

Chiefaholic
03-25-2009, 06:18 AM
Clark might just be adding trade value by stating that he doesn't plan to trade Tony. If somebody would offer more than "fair trade", I'm sure Pioli will be all over it. Gonzo's one of my favorite all time Chiefs on and expecially off the field. But, let's just say on draft day that somebody's on the board that we need, and that team wants Tony, pull the trigger.

warpaint*
03-25-2009, 07:09 AM
Trade LJ and TG. By the time we're good they will both be shells of their current selves (ie two yrs from now).

InChiefsHell
03-25-2009, 07:10 AM
Clark might just be adding trade value by stating that he doesn't plan to trade Tony. If somebody would offer more than "fair trade", I'm sure Pioli will be all over it. Gonzo's one of my favorite all time Chiefs on and expecially off the field. But, let's just say on draft day that somebody's on the board that we need, and that team wants Tony, pull the trigger.
This!

And Mecca is 100% right, if you want to change shit, you gotta change all that shit.

I love Tony too, any REAL (tm) fan would, but I can see them trading him for the right deal. It's the right time for Tony and the Chiefs to part ways, for the right deal of course.

Sure-Oz
03-25-2009, 07:23 AM
Trade him, get atleast a 3rd for him

SBK
03-25-2009, 07:34 AM
ship that whiny ass bidge out

This.

Pioli Zombie
03-25-2009, 07:50 AM
Another great trade for both teams. Gonzo to the Patriots for one of there 3 third round picks. Patriots can afford to give one up and Brady firing to Moss, Welker, and Tony would be awesome.
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Crush
03-25-2009, 08:01 AM
Another great trade for both teams. Gonzo to the Patriots for one of there 3 third round picks. Patriots can afford to give one up and Brady firing to Moss, Welker, and Tony would be awesome.
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penchief
03-25-2009, 08:07 AM
They wont get a 2nd for him ever.

They did get offered a 3rd last year but Carl couldnt let his baby leave the nest and backed out.

That was essentially a fourth round pick and considering Tony's production and Pro-bowl caliber season I'd say that the last pick in the third round was way too low. Peterson was right to ask for the Giant's second round pick.

Gonzalez has three good years left, IMO. Any team that is within their window of opportunity might cough up a second rounder to put them over the top. I'll bet you that the Giants wish they had made that deal for a second rounder. He would have been a perfect go-to target for Manning. Gonzales would have been the tonic for what ailed them last season.

EyePod
03-25-2009, 08:08 AM
God damnit Tony. There is no fucking loyalty in the NFL. What a bunch of shit. This is a problem in professional sports all over though. I still can't believe that John Smoltz can pitch for the fucking Red Sox...

EyePod
03-25-2009, 08:16 AM
That was essentially a fourth round pick and considering Tony's production and Pro-bowl caliber season I'd say that the last pick in the third round was way too low. Peterson was right to ask for the Giant's second round pick.

Gonzalez has three good years left, IMO. Any team that is within their window of opportunity might cough up a second rounder to put them over the top. I'll bet you that the Giants wish they had made that deal for a second rounder. He would have been a perfect go-to target for Manning. Gonzales would have been the tonic for what ailed them last season.

The problem is that he costs a lot for only 3 years.

htismaqe
03-25-2009, 09:28 AM
The problem is that he costs a lot for only 3 years.

He's not expensive at all in the grand scheme of things.

htismaqe
03-25-2009, 09:30 AM
I have a hard time believing that they're going to trade for Cassel, or worse yet, draft Stafford or Sanchez, and then ship Gonzales off to another team leaving the new QB with no reliable safety valve.

If they're going to trade Tony Gonzales (which is fine with me, BTW, in and of itself) they better damn well have a backup plan to get a TE in the draft.

DaKCMan AP
03-25-2009, 09:33 AM
I have a hard time believing that they're going to trade for Cassel, or worse yet, draft Stafford or Sanchez, and then ship Gonzales off to another team leaving the new QB with no reliable safety valve.

This. Plus, IMO, it's MUCH less likely to get a player in the 3rd or 4th round who will be as productive in his entire career as TG will over the next 3-4 years.

Coogs
03-25-2009, 09:50 AM
I have not had a chance to read the whole thread yet, but this is from the Q&A with Haley from kcchiefs.com on the 17th of this month...


“The big thing that Scott (Pioli) and I are looking for, and we’re going to say this over and over again, we’re looking for guys that want to be here, not talk about it, but want to be a Kansas City Chief. That goes for guys on the roster and free agents. We’re looking for guys who want to be here.”

Crush
03-25-2009, 09:56 AM
Maybe Tony should cry on Grandpa Dick's shoulder.

Pioli Zombie
03-25-2009, 10:11 AM
If not a third, then get a 4th for 2009 and a 2nd in 2010.
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Chiefnj2
03-25-2009, 10:21 AM
I have a hard time believing that they're going to trade for Cassel, or worse yet, draft Stafford or Sanchez, and then ship Gonzales off to another team leaving the new QB with no reliable safety valve.



And try to trade Waters.

Detoxing
03-25-2009, 10:23 AM
Im so sick of this shit. I'm a huge TG supporter and want him here, but this is getting old already. IM tired of hearing about it.

HC_Chief
03-25-2009, 10:26 AM
KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) -- Contrary to remarks by Kansas City owner Clark Hunt, Tony Gonzalez wants to be traded if the right deal can be made, a person close to the Pro Bowl tight end told The Associated Press on Tuesday.

Too bad. You're not going anywhere TG, so STFU and catch passes.

chiefs1111
03-25-2009, 10:39 AM
Tony is just upset because his boy Thigpen isn't the starting QB anymore so he's not going to get the ball thrown to him 30 times a game

htismaqe
03-25-2009, 12:03 PM
And try to trade Waters.

Waters' production is much easier to replace than Gonzo's, though. I don't have a problem with them letting either one go, as long as they have an adequate backup plan.

StcChief
03-25-2009, 12:10 PM
Waters' production is much easier to replace than Gonzo's, though. I don't have a problem with them letting either one go, as long as they have an adequate backup plan.
I'm old school and wanted him to go out as a Chief. Not getting a ring would be a downer on his stellar career, (don't see that as a first ballot deal breaker)

Cottam or other TE will have huge shoes to fill. we should be planning on that already. Let's not get Roafed.....

Sully
03-25-2009, 12:23 PM
Cottam or other TE will have huge shoes to fill. we should be planning on that already. Let's not get Roafed.....

Not as big as you'd think.
The difference between a great TE and an average TE is not nearly as wide as the difference between a great OT and an average one.

Pioli Zombie
03-25-2009, 05:30 PM
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KCBOSS1
03-25-2009, 11:18 PM
You know, every year, it's the same crap with this guy. I love this guy's talent, but he is such a whiner. He has been treated phenomenally in KC by the fans, coaches and whoever else. He is, I guess, the greatest tight end ever. But I'm still old fashioned in thinking about team loyalty and franchise players. Most of the great players are "T.O.s" from what I can see. I don't really see how TG is much different. I think that he should shut up, thank the Chiefs and fans for paying him millions for years to catch the ball. It is a privilege to play in the Red Sea every other game. Send him away...We'll be fine.

KCBOSS1
03-25-2009, 11:21 PM
Let him go to another team, and never go to the super bowl and sacrifice tons of respect chasing the elusive ring. I like him because he is a Chief and that is all.

wild1
03-25-2009, 11:22 PM
i was on his side before, because i do understand his drive to win a championship and the leper organization he's played for hasn't been able to deliver it. i think it's his right to request a trade if he wants. it's the team's right not to do it. he understood that and still played hard like a professional should.

This is the new Chiefs era. Everyone should be on board or they should be overboard. If Gonzalez doesn't buy into what they are doing, maybe they should do what is best for both parties and flip him for a pick if they can get one.

tonyetony
03-25-2009, 11:35 PM
If we're sniffing 500 in mid October I think Pioli will want to keep him, otherwise he might start considering a 3rd because there's no compensation for the retirement ceremony next year. If the right offer comes he'll be gone no matter what.

tonyetony
03-25-2009, 11:37 PM
We just have to many needs for one offseason why create another gap now.

KC_Connection
03-25-2009, 11:50 PM
Does anyone think Tony will pull a C**tler in this? :shrug: I hope not.

No, he isn't that big of a douche.