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ChiefRon
03-24-2009, 10:54 PM
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/football/story/1104993.html

Chiefs like Cassel’s passion for football

By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star

DANA POINT, Calif. | New Chiefs quarterback Matt Cassel has often been compared with Tom Brady, if for no other reason than they were both low-round draft picks by the New England Patriots and teammates for four seasons.

After watching Cassel on video and working with him for almost a month, Chiefs coach Todd Haley offers a different veteran quarterback comparison.

“I just came off two years of working with one of the best guys I’ve ever been around in Kurt Warner,” said Haley, who as Arizona’s offensive coordinator coached Warner the last two seasons. “In ‘best guys,’ I mean guys that are into football, like to talk about football. It’s not about much else for Kurt Warner. This Matt Cassel feels and acts a lot the same way. He is football 24/7 to the point where I’ve had to pull back the reins on him a couple of times and say, ‘Listen, Matt. These next couple of months are about getting in shape and getting your body ready for the season. There’s time enough for football.’

“He’s all about football. I’ve been telling everyone I hope he can play because he’s got all of the intangible things you get excited about as a coach.”

It’s becoming clear that most — if not all — players acquired by the Chiefs under Haley and new general manager Scott Pioli will share two common qualities: They will love to work at and play football, and they will want to play for the Chiefs.

That may be an underrated factor in the trade that brought Cassel from New England. The Chiefs coveted Cassel for more than his on-the-field skills.

“Oh, yeah,” Haley said Tuesday during the NFL meetings. “Kurt Warner, you could not get him away from football. It was full time. (Cassel) shows a lot of those same characteristics. He’s into football. I don’t think there’s a whole bunch else to him. He’s got a chip on his shoulder. He was told he wasn’t good enough to play for a long time. That served him well last year, and hopefully it will serve him well going forward.

“He’s calling me every day for numbers to call some of the other guys on the team. We picked up Bobby Engram, and Bobby Engram is texting me wanting Cassel’s number. At the same time, a text is coming in from Cassel: ‘Can I get Engram’s number?’ So he’s doing all of those things that get you excited as a coach. You don’t have to worry about what Matt Cassel is doing most of the time. He’ll be worrying about football.”

Haley continued to promote a looming battle for the starting job between Cassel and Tyler Thigpen, who started for the Chiefs most of last season. While it’s hard to see the Chiefs playing Thigpen and his $460,000 salary ahead of Cassel and his income of $14.65 million, Haley pointed to last season in Arizona as evidence that he’s serious about a competition for the job.

The Cardinals picked Warner over former first-round draft pick Matt Leinart as their starter last season. Arizona won its first NFC West championship and reached the Super Bowl for the first time in franchise history.

“The guys that give us the best chance to win will play,” Haley said. “I heard a little interview with Tyler Thigpen right after we signed Cassel, and he sounded like he was kind of conceding that Cassel was the quarterback. I called him immediately and told him, ‘Don’t you dare concede anything.’ The best guy is going to play. We proved that in Arizona.”

The Chiefs turned to Thigpen early last season after injuries eliminated Brodie Croyle and Damon Huard. Thigpen had problems in their more conventional offensive system and flourished only after the Chiefs went to a spread formation to accommodate him.

That raises the issue of whether Thigpen has the skills to play in Haley’s system, which will feature the spread only on occasion. Even Haley, who hasn’t yet seen Thigpen on the practice field, isn’t certain.

“That remains to be seen,” Haley said. “The guy is a developing player. He played a certain way in college, so he didn’t learn all of those skills that maybe you’d want him to have. Does that mean he can’t do it? I don’t know. That’s where coaching comes in and getting the guy in during the offseason and starting to go to work on the craft he has to learn in order to be a complete quarterback.

“I don’t know the situation at Coastal Carolina. I don’t know if they went to the spread because that was what he did best or because that was their system. I don’t know those things. But you get a guy in like that that’s got some interesting characteristics, and then you go from there.

“Right now, we’ve got two guys. Thigpen threw (18) touchdown passes last year. That was coming from nothing. You talk about Cassel not playing (until last season)? Cassel was up there sitting with Tom Brady every day of the year. Thigpen was Coastal Carolina to into the league to playing and threw 18 touchdowns and ran for a bunch. The guy is a pretty interesting player. I’m as excited about working with that guy as I am with anybody.”

Though they have Cassel and Thigpen, Haley indicated the Chiefs might select a quarterback in the draft next month.

“We’re not going to draft for need,” he said. “It’s going to be trying to accumulate as many good players as you can accumulate. But it just allows you some flexibility. I will say that. It opens more doors, gives you that flexibility that you may not have if you didn’t feel more comfortable at that position.”

Smed1065
03-24-2009, 11:02 PM
Damn True fans have invaded the press!

:doh!:

KcKing
03-24-2009, 11:02 PM
That’s where coaching comes in and getting the guy in during the offseason and starting to go to work on the craft he has to learn in order to be a complete quarterback.

What the hell is all that hubbub about?? Shouldn't our head coach be busy trying to figure out how to get a first down?

Discuss Thrower
03-24-2009, 11:03 PM
It's Shane Falco!

RustShack
03-24-2009, 11:03 PM
But but according to the Thigpen lovers they didn't go to the spread just for Thigpen and that Haley ran the spread. This article must be completely false.

DeezNutz
03-24-2009, 11:12 PM
“That remains to be seen,” Haley said. “The guy is a developing player. He played a certain way in college, so he didn’t learn all of those skills that maybe you’d want him to have. Does that mean he can’t do it? I don’t know. That’s where coaching comes in and getting the guy in during the offseason and starting to go to work on the craft he has to learn in order to be a complete quarterback."


I'm confused. Why didn't he say, "At the very least, Thigpen will make a great backup quarterback."?

I know this is what Thigpen would be because I've seen it on CP.

mikey23545
03-24-2009, 11:24 PM
But Mecca told me the best quarterback is the guy with the strongest arm...

RustShack
03-24-2009, 11:28 PM
But Mecca told me the best quarterback is the guy with the strongest arm...

I really don't think he ever said that... and I think Cassel has a stronger arm than Thiggy anyways..

58kcfan89
03-24-2009, 11:31 PM
I can't wait for the Draft... I'm excited to see who we can put together with Cassel to make this a (hopefully) even better off-season. I was a little skeptical of Cassel when he was in New England, but I'm hoping that Haley can work his magic again and have Cassel help the Chiefs win games.

Mecca
03-24-2009, 11:34 PM
I really don't think he ever said that... and I think Cassel has a stronger arm than Thiggy anyways..

It's Mikey, he provides about as much to the forum as redrum does.

T-post Tom
03-24-2009, 11:37 PM
Y all u fookers hatin' on Tyler? I like Tyler:

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Smed1065
03-24-2009, 11:40 PM
I actually hope Stafford is there @ #3 so we all win.


OK just Chiefs fans.......

:evil:

SNR
03-24-2009, 11:58 PM
I don’t know the situation at Coastal Carolina. I don’t know if they went to the spread because that was what he did best or because that was their system. I don’t know those things.Well, you kept Chan Gailey, the coach who made the decision to switch to the spread last year.

WHY DON'T YOU FUCKING ASK HIM???

DeezNutz
03-24-2009, 11:59 PM
Well, you kept Chan Gailey, the coach who made the decision to switch to the spread last year.

WHY DON'T YOU ****ING ASK HIM???

I didn't know Gailey coached a CC. Interesting...

SNR
03-25-2009, 12:01 AM
I didn't know Gailey coached a CC. Interesting...Who gives a shit about Coastal Carolina? That was 3 years ago. Not much less than the time Cassel has been in the NFL and adapted appropriately.

DeezNutz
03-25-2009, 12:02 AM
Who gives a shit about Coastal Carolina? That was 3 years ago. Not much less than the time Cassel has been in the NFL and adapted appropriately.

Well, I thought you did since the part of the article you quoted was talking about why Thigpen worked out of the spread at Coastal Carolina.

Why should Todd ask Gailey about this? I care more about last year.

SNR
03-25-2009, 12:07 AM
Well, I thought you did since the part of the article you quoted was talking about why Thigpen worked out of the spread at Coastal Carolina.

Why should Todd ask Gailey about this? I care more about last year.Read the quote again. "I don't know why they WENT to the spread." Meaning they changed systems. Unless there was a coaching change when Thigpen was around, I doubt Haley was talking about CC.

He seemed to be saying

"I don't know about CC.

I don't know about the Chiefs and the spread.

I don't know why."

Basically, he's saying he wants to get to know Thigpen better.

DeezNutz
03-25-2009, 12:11 AM
Read the quote again. "I don't know why they WENT to the spread." Meaning they changed systems. Unless there was a coaching change when Thigpen was around, I doubt Haley was talking about CC.

He seemed to be saying

"I don't know about CC.

I don't know about the Chiefs and the spread.

I don't know why."

Basically, he's saying he wants to get to know Thigpen better.

Gotcha.

Ambiguous antecedent. Just assumed he was linking back to CC, since that's also the focus of the previous paragraph.

Since this makes absolutely no ****ing sense, then, it's safe to chalk Haley's comments up to: many words and very, very little substance.

In short, I think it a typical post on CP. Thus, I like it.

SNR
03-25-2009, 12:16 AM
Gotcha.

Ambiguous antecedent. Just assumed he was linking back to CC, since that's also the focus of the previous paragraph.

Since this makes absolutely no ****ing sense, then, it's safe to chalk Haley's comments up to: many words and very, very little substance.

In short, I think it a typical post on CP. Thus, I like it.Just kidding.

I actually just glossed over the first part about Coastal Carolina and immediately focused my attention on the spread question. By the time I clicked "submit reply" and read the quote over, it was too late. I was hoping nobody would notice, but I wasn't lucky enough.

Thankfully I thought fast and bullshitted my way out of it.

DeezNutz
03-25-2009, 12:18 AM
Just kidding.

I actually just glossed over the first part about Coastal Carolina and immediately focused my attention on the spread question. By the time I clicked "submit reply" and read the quote over, it was too late. I was hoping nobody would notice, but I wasn't lucky enough.

Thankfully I thought fast and bullshitted my way out of it.

Look at you. Working it, working it.

The Republican party needs this type of cleverness to gain young voters.

SNR
03-25-2009, 12:22 AM
Look at you. Working it, working it.

The Republican party needs this type of cleverness to gain young voters.Do young voters like Thigpen or Cassel? Spread? West coast? Do they want to go back to a Vermeil offense?

skky man
03-25-2009, 02:27 AM
Nice article. I know that sometimes it's hard to judge our team cuz of the lack of media access. Remember where we were last year at this time. I don't know if Haley is the right choice or not. I know some people thought that we should of hired McDaniels instead. Anyone want to admit that now?

the Talking Can
03-25-2009, 04:50 AM
Though they have Cassel and Thigpen, Haley indicated the Chiefs might select a quarterback in the draft next month.

“We’re not going to draft for need,” he said. “It’s going to be trying to accumulate as many good players as you can accumulate.


me likey

wild1
03-25-2009, 06:02 AM
Larry Johnson also has a passion for football.

By football, I mean beating women and bitching

King_Chief_Fan
03-25-2009, 07:03 AM
Sounds like Brokie will be out of a job.

talastan
03-25-2009, 09:10 AM
Though they have Cassel and Thigpen, Haley indicated the Chiefs might select a quarterback in the draft next month.

“We’re not going to draft for need,” he said. “It’s going to be trying to accumulate as many good players as you can accumulate. But it just allows you some flexibility. I will say that. It opens more doors, gives you that flexibility that you may not have if you didn’t feel more comfortable at that position.”

Love this ROFL, if Stafford is there and we draft him people will be screaming to the top of their lungs. That is until we trade Thigpen to another team for more picks. I think that the FO is setting itself up for multiple scenarios with the draft. You boost everyone's status for possible trade opportunities, while making sure you let everyone know that any of the top players in the draft could be the team's potential pick. This along with the lack of contract for Cassel defintely puts us in a position that we'll be seeing offers on the table hopefully next month! :thumb: Holy Pioli the Don is a genious!!

Darth CarlSatan
03-25-2009, 09:52 AM
Love this ROFL, if Stafford is there and we draft him people will be screaming to the top of their lungs. That is until we trade Thigpen to another team for more picks. I think that the FO is setting itself up for multiple scenarios with the draft. You boost everyone's status for possible trade opportunities, while making sure you let everyone know that any of the top players in the draft could be the team's potential pick. This along with the lack of contract for Cassel defintely puts us in a position that we'll be seeing offers on the table hopefully next month! :thumb: Holy Pioli the Don is a genious!!

I'm tellin' ya man, this is high chess football. Who the fuck knows ANYTHING at this point?

“Right now, we’ve got two guys.

Though they have Cassel and Thigpen, Haley indicated the Chiefs might select a quarterback in the draft next month.

“We’re not going to draft for need,” he said. “It’s going to be trying to accumulate as many good players as you can accumulate. But it just allows you some flexibility. I will say that. It opens more doors, gives you that flexibility that you may not have if you didn’t feel more comfortable at that position.”

Goodbye Brokie:

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BigChiefFan
03-25-2009, 10:22 AM
Love this ROFL, if Stafford is there and we draft him people will be screaming to the top of their lungs. That is until we trade Thigpen to another team for more picks. I think that the FO is setting itself up for multiple scenarios with the draft. You boost everyone's status for possible trade opportunities, while making sure you let everyone know that any of the top players in the draft could be the team's potential pick. This along with the lack of contract for Cassel defintely puts us in a position that we'll be seeing offers on the table hopefully next month! :thumb: Holy Pioli the Don is a genious!!Good post. I've heard the Panthers are more interested in Thigpen than the general public knows about.

RustShack
03-25-2009, 10:36 AM
Nice article. I know that sometimes it's hard to judge our team cuz of the lack of media access. Remember where we were last year at this time. I don't know if Haley is the right choice or not. I know some people thought that we should of hired McDaniels instead. Anyone want to admit that now?

I'll gladly admit I've always been against McDaniels given the Patriots coaches track record after leaving. Though I didn't think he would be this bad before the season even started. You have to think though, had he came here he would be working under Pioli and he would have gotten the QB he wanted. Personally I'm so glad he didn't though.

CoMoChief
03-25-2009, 10:48 AM
It's Shane Falco!

"Winners want the ball Shane."

- Jimmy McGinnty (sp?)

Darth CarlSatan
03-25-2009, 10:55 AM
Good post. I've heard the Panthers are more interested in Thigpen than the general public knows about.

Cost of plane ticket to Carolina please?

RINGLEADER
03-25-2009, 10:59 AM
Only point I've ever made about Thigpen -- for all his warts -- is that he'd be 8-3 if we had a defense that could hold opponents under 20 points a game.

Coulda, woulda, shoulda.

CoMoChief
03-25-2009, 11:01 AM
Cost of plane ticket to Carolina please?

And please tell me who you want to backup Cassell should he get hurt? We dont have the best Oline in the world you know

Please tell me you're not one of the morons that still wants to draft Stafford/Sanchez with our top 3 pick?

CoMoChief
03-25-2009, 11:03 AM
Only point I've ever made about Thigpen -- for all his warts -- is that he'd be 8-3 if we had a defense that could hold opponents under 20 points a game.

Coulda, woulda, shoulda.

He's had better #'s than a lot of Qb's starting for the first time, including SB winner MVP and former 1st round pick Eli Manning.

Hell Eli still isnt that good to be honest.

htismaqe
03-25-2009, 11:07 AM
And please tell me who you want to backup Cassell should he get hurt?

Somebody that can run a pro-style offense would be preferable.

DeezNutz
03-25-2009, 11:08 AM
He's had better #'s than a lot of Qb's starting for the first time, including SB winner MVP and former 1st round pick Eli Manning.

Hell Eli still isnt that good to be honest.

He had the best stat line of any pistol QB in history!

To the boats!

ChiefRon
03-25-2009, 11:16 AM
“He’s all about football. I’ve been telling everyone I hope he can play because he’s got all of the intangible things you get excited about as a coach.”



This tells me that Pioli is sold on Cassel, but Haley is kinda like me, "cautiously optimistic" on Cassel.

I hope he's the next Tom Brady, that would be sweet.

I must say that I am starting to like Cassel more with insights like this.

Passion, work ethic, intelligence, driven to understand the game: these are all qualities that are required to become an elite QB, moreso than physical abilities. It's the main reason I wanted Sanchez...

Darth CarlSatan
03-25-2009, 11:17 AM
And please tell me who you want to backup Cassell should he get hurt? We dont have the best Oline in the world you know

Please tell me you're not one of the morons that still wants to draft Stafford/Sanchez with our top 3 pick?

You know I'm so tired of that fucking debate and people like you, I'm just gonna' keep at this:

Go fist yourself and jump in to a moving cement truck.


Yeah, that's much better.

Darth CarlSatan
03-25-2009, 11:19 AM
This tells me that Pioli is sold on Cassel, but Haley is kinda like me, "cautiously optimistic" on Cassel.

I hope he's the next Tom Brady, that would be sweet.

I must say that I am starting to like Cassel more with insights like this.

Passion, work ethic, intelligence, driven to understand the game: these are all qualities that are required to become an elite QB, moreso than physical abilities. It's the main reason I wanted Sanchez...

If Carolina is so enamored of the little fuck, then I say send his ass on back to Dixie.

BigChiefFan
03-25-2009, 11:23 AM
If you think Pioli didn't know Cassell and the type of player he was getting, you haven't been keeping up.

JASONSAUTO
03-25-2009, 11:42 AM
Passion, work ethic, intelligence, driven to understand the game: these are all qualities that are required to become an elite QB, moreso than physical abilities. ...

Calling engram, bowe, watching video, working hard ine the offseason, whats not to like about the guy? he's going to make ALOT of money but instead of sitting on his balls he's working his ass off, i love it.

buddha
03-25-2009, 01:53 PM
I could listen to Gladys Knight all day! Yeah, Brody...if they aren't talking about you, I think you know what that means.