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Amnorix
03-25-2009, 09:11 AM
So Curt Schilling officially retired earlier this week. Is he a Hall of Famer in your mind, or not?

The stats:

216 wins (light for a HOFer, it's like 80th all-time)
146 losses
.596 Winning Percentage
No Cy Young Awards. Came in 2nd 3 times, and 4th once.
6 All Star Appearances
3.47 ERA
ERA +/- is a whopping +127
3116 strikeouts (15th all time)
11-2 record in playoffs with a 2.23 ERA in 19 starts
3 World Series rings
20 game winner 3 times
The Bloody Sock!
An ungodly K/BB ratio.

It's a close call. The stats alone point to "no", but I keep coming back to two things -- first that he isn't tainted by steroids, and second that there are damn few pitchers over the last 15 years that someone would want starting Game 7 of a World Series over Schilling.

Sully
03-25-2009, 09:14 AM
If we include public relations, he's a unanimous HOFer.


Baseball-wise, probably.

Katipan
03-25-2009, 09:14 AM
Yes but I'm biased from his time in Arizona.

seclark
03-25-2009, 09:19 AM
yes
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doomy3
03-25-2009, 09:22 AM
Not before Blyleven. He can't get in and trumps just about all of Schilling's stats.

penchief
03-25-2009, 09:26 AM
Not before Blyleven. He can't get in and trumps just about all of Schilling's stats.

Agreed. I tend to think that Mussina deserves a look before Schilling, as well. Mussina played in the toughest division in baseball his entire career and racked up 280 wins. He always seemed to get the best of Pedro Martinez when they went head to head.

Delano
03-25-2009, 09:26 AM
Not before Blyleven. He can't get in and trumps just about all of Schilling's stats.

They both need in.

I can not believe Blyleven has not made it yet.

DaKCMan AP
03-25-2009, 09:29 AM
DaKCMan AP says yes, and that's all that really matters.

sedated
03-25-2009, 09:32 AM
I've never bought all the stat freaks when it comes to baseball. They are the same people who give the Cy Young to the pitcher with the most wins, even though wins are more a product of the team than the pitcher, and is a less significant indicator than the pitcher’s individual numbers (ERA, K/BB, hits, etc).

doomy3
03-25-2009, 09:33 AM
I've never bought all the stat freaks when it comes to baseball. They are the same people who give the Cy Young to the pitcher with the most wins, even though wins are more a product of the team than the pitcher, and is a less significant indicator than the pitcherís individual numbers (ERA, K/BB, hits, etc).

Those "individual numbers" are stats. All of it is weighed in IMO.

Katipan
03-25-2009, 09:34 AM
They are the same people who give the Cy Young to the pitcher with the most wins, even though wins are more a product of the team than the pitcher, and is a less significant indicator than the pitcher’s individual numbers (ERA, K/BB, hits, etc).

I think it's the whole "if you can STILL get labeled the win even after having 8+ other guys in your koolaid"... thing.

sedated
03-25-2009, 09:35 AM
Mussina played in the toughest division in baseball his entire career and racked up 280 wins.

he also played on the team that won the most, regardless of division. it makes sense he has a lot of wins.

RJ
03-25-2009, 09:37 AM
No way.

Schilling just doesn't have the stats, for most of his career he was a good but not great pitcher. I like the guy, but he's no HOF'er.

doomy3
03-25-2009, 09:38 AM
he also played on the team that won the most, regardless of division. it makes sense he has a lot of wins.

He played 10 seasons with BALTIMORE and 8 seasons with the Yankees.

RJ
03-25-2009, 09:38 AM
he also played on the team that won the most, regardless of division. it makes sense he has a lot of wins.


Mussina was a much more consistent pitcher than Schilling.

Also, you're forgetting that Mussina pitched on some really bad Orioles teams.

sedated
03-25-2009, 09:39 AM
Those "individual numbers" are stats.

thanks, mr. thesaurus.

clearly you missed the post of that post.

they are all stats, but when determining the quality of a player, I prefer to focus on the stats that are a direct result of the that player, rather than the quality of the team around him.

doomy3
03-25-2009, 09:41 AM
thanks, mr. thesaurus.

clearly you missed the post of that post.

they are all stats, but when determining the quality of a player, I prefer to focus on the stats that are a direct result of the that player, rather than the quality of the team around him.

Couldn't figure out what you were trying to say. Your first sentence was that people focused too much on stats, then you posted a bunch of stats. I guess I did miss the post of that post.

penchief
03-25-2009, 09:41 AM
he also played on the team that won the most, regardless of division. it makes sense he has a lot of wins.

Not when he played for the Orioles. And he had to pitch against the likes of New York, Toronto, and Boston in their heydays.

sedated
03-25-2009, 09:41 AM
He played 10 seasons with BALTIMORE and 8 seasons with the Yankees.

true, I'm probably just stuck on my hatred of the yankees. that's probably also why I want Schill in the HOF - he was the perfect yankee killer.

wasn't Baltimore good for several of those years? I didn't follow baseball back then.

RJ
03-25-2009, 09:42 AM
true, I'm probably just stuck on my hatred of the yankees. that's probably also why I want Schill in the HOF - he was the perfect yankee killer.

wasn't Baltimore good for several of those years? I didn't follow baseball back then.


Only a few. The bad years outnumbered the good ones.

Dave Lane
03-25-2009, 09:45 AM
Not before Blyleven. He can't get in and trumps just about all of Schilling's stats.

I'm OK with both. Blyleven had such a nasty breaking ball. There must be something in the woodpile that is keeping him out.

Amnorix
03-25-2009, 09:49 AM
Mussina was a much more consistent pitcher than Schilling.

Also, you're forgetting that Mussina pitched on some really bad Orioles teams.

eh. The Orioles were average most of his years with them. Of course, he helped MAKE them average...

I think Mussina is pretty clearly in, however. I also can't quite fathom the Blyleven thing.

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Amnorix
03-25-2009, 09:51 AM
Only a few. The bad years outnumbered the good ones.

They were under .500 5 of the years he was with them, and over .500 the other 5 years.

They were basically an average team. They weren't the Devil Rays for Chrissakes.

RJ
03-25-2009, 09:58 AM
They were under .500 5 of the years he was with them, and over .500 the other 5 years.

They were basically an average team. They weren't the Devil Rays for Chrissakes.



Yeah, ok.....but as an Orioles fan it sure felt like it....still does. :(

The O's never should have dealt Schilling, but if I had to pick between him and Mussina I'd take Mussina.

Amnorix
03-25-2009, 10:04 AM
Yeah, ok.....but as an Orioles fan it sure felt like it....still does. :(

The O's never should have dealt Schilling, but if I had to pick between him and Mussina I'd take Mussina.

For an entire career, or for Game 7 of a World Series?

BTW, the same years that were basically .500 for Mussina's Orioles weren't nearly so good for Schilling's Phillies. If you want to adjust their candidacy for the suckiness of the team around them, then Schilling gets a bigger adjustment than Mussina:

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Sully
03-25-2009, 10:06 AM
I always wondered who was a bigger publicity hound.

Curt Schilling or Jeremy Roenick.

Amnorix
03-25-2009, 10:08 AM
Yeah, ok.....but as an Orioles fan it sure felt like it....still does. :(

The O's never should have dealt Schilling, but if I had to pick between him and Mussina I'd take Mussina.

Also....right, because you were in the AL East. One year you were 4 games below .500, yet in 4th in teh 5 team AL East, and we were all speedbumps for the ridiculous Yankees. You were 35 games out of first.

1998


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Ari Chi3fs
03-25-2009, 10:12 AM
Yes.

because of:::

3116 strikeouts (15th all time)
11-2 record in playoffs with a 2.23 ERA in 19 starts
3 World Series rings
20 game winner 3 times
The Bloody Sock!
An ungodly K/BB ratio.

RJ
03-25-2009, 10:13 AM
[QUOTE=Amnorix;5608937]For an entire career, or for Game 7 of a World Series?


For the career, Mussina.

For the game 7 I'd say it's a tossup between the younger Mussina and the older Schilling. Schill was certainly the more dominant pitcher in terms of being a power arm but Mussina always had such beautiful control. Maybe not Maddux type control, but still excellent.

On a side note....

Worst Orioles trade ever.......Schilling, Pete Harnisch and Steve Finley for Glenn Davis. I'm still pissed.

Pioli Zombie
03-25-2009, 04:28 PM
Yes. And I'm biased. He and Ortiz changed everything in Boston.
Schillings career in baseball is much like Warners in the NFL and they both are HOFers
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MIAdragon
03-25-2009, 04:32 PM
No way.

Schilling just doesn't have the stats, for most of his career he was a good but not great pitcher. I like the guy, but he's no HOF'er.

Really?

Wins--216 Tied for 80th all-time
ERA-3.46 Would be 11th among current active players if not retired
Win%-.596. Tied for 119th all-time with Herb Pennock, Ed Lopat and Warren Spahn
WHIP-1.1374 45th all-time
BB/9- 1.962 79th all-time
Strikeouts- 3116 15Th all-time
Adjusted ERA+- 127 Tied 43rd all-time

Schilling's post-season numbers are where he leaves his mark on the game.

11-2, 2.23 ERA, K/BB 120/25, WHIP 0.97

Schilling has the best K/BB ratio of all time among guys with a minimum of 1,000 IP / 100 decisions.

Only Blyleven has retired with more strikeouts and has not made into the HoF.

kcfanXIII
03-25-2009, 04:35 PM
my two best schiling memories:

1. who could forget the bloody sock?
2. being a part of the team that knocked the yankees off in the 2001 world series.

based on these two memories, yes.

Jethopper
03-25-2009, 04:48 PM
A pitcher with no sy youngs = A pitcher with no entry into the hall of fame (9 times out of 10).

wild1
03-25-2009, 04:51 PM
He doesn't really have the numbers, and I agree with the good but not great argument about his career as measured by his peers. But the 3 rings will get him a lot of mileage, and it's certainly debatable whether those teams would have won the rings without him.

If he gets in, it's a later ballot... in my opinion

MIAdragon
03-25-2009, 04:53 PM
A pitcher with no sy youngs = A pitcher with no entry into the hall of fame (9 times out of 10).

WTF is a "sy young"?

Nolan Ryan has zero Cy Young's.

MIAdragon
03-25-2009, 04:54 PM
Strikeouts- 3116 15Th all-time

No doubt he gets in.

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-25-2009, 04:56 PM
It's close, but no.

Good big game pitcher, elite attention whore, but not a HOF caliber arm.

wild1
03-25-2009, 04:56 PM
3000 strikeouts is his case, really, outside the world series

If this guy had played for Milwaukee and Texas, no way would this conversation be happening.

Katipan
03-25-2009, 05:04 PM
He doesn't really have the numbers, and I agree with the good but not great argument about his career as measured by his peers. But the 3 rings will get him a lot of mileage, and it's certainly debatable whether those teams would have won the rings without him.

If he gets in, it's a later ballot... in my opinion

Arizona certainly rode it's two horses hard in 01. Randy never got us to a World Series with his Cy Youngs. Had no problem doing it with his Curt Schilling.

Miles
03-25-2009, 05:07 PM
He is pretty close with his postseason performances, his first two seasons with ARI and first season with BOS, but his win/loss record will ultimately keep him out.

MIAdragon
03-25-2009, 05:13 PM
He is pretty close with his postseason performances, his first two seasons with ARI and first season with BOS, but his win/loss record will ultimately keep him out.

IMO win/loss stats is a piss poor measurement. Can the pitcher control what his team does in the field or at the dish?

Jethopper
03-25-2009, 05:24 PM
WTF is a "sy young"?

Nolan Ryan has zero Cy Young's.

Hence the 9 out of 10.

MIAdragon
03-25-2009, 05:27 PM
Hence the 9 out of 10.

he finished second in Cy Young voting three times I dont see that holding him back

Miles
03-25-2009, 05:28 PM
IMO win/loss stats is a piss poor measurement. Can the pitcher control what his team does in the field or at the dish?

Yeah I agree that its a shitty measurement but one that sportswriters seem to constantly bring up when evaluating a player.

Fruit Ninja
03-25-2009, 05:37 PM
If you count his post season play then absolutely. I lvoed watching hiim pitch in his prime, he was a bad ass. He definately deserves to be in there. If you needed someone to pitch in a big game, there wasnt many better then him for that kind of pressure.

While he only has a little over 200 wins, he was fairly consistant. I hope he makes it to Cooperstown, he deserves it.

Tiger's Fan
03-25-2009, 05:42 PM
No way. He always ran his mouth about the roids, while posting better numbers once he got past the age of 30. Besides not being remotely close numbers wise, I bet he was a roided up hypocrite.

Fruit Ninja
03-25-2009, 05:44 PM
[QUOTE=Buster Hymen;5610425]No way. He always ran his mouth about the roids, while posting better numbers once he got past the age of 30. Besides not being remotely close numbers wise, I bet he was a roided up hypocrite.[/Qoute] I seriously doubt he roided up. He lost his fast ball a few years back. He had to adjust his pitching style and he still had good years.

Say what you want about Curt, Yes he's is outspoken and sometimes should just shut up, but he's a straight shooter. Plus he's a video gamer as well. He's ok in my book. lol

keg in kc
03-25-2009, 06:04 PM
He's a big gamer, so that gets him in in my book.

And when I say gamer, I don't mean baseball. He's big into MMOs.

RJ
03-25-2009, 07:13 PM
Really?

Wins--216 Tied for 80th all-time
ERA-3.46 Would be 11th among current active players if not retired
Win%-.596. Tied for 119th all-time with Herb Pennock, Ed Lopat and Warren Spahn
WHIP-1.1374 45th all-time
BB/9- 1.962 79th all-time
Strikeouts- 3116 15Th all-time
Adjusted ERA+- 127 Tied 43rd all-time

Schilling's post-season numbers are where he leaves his mark on the game.

11-2, 2.23 ERA, K/BB 120/25, WHIP 0.97



Schilling has the best K/BB ratio of all time among guys with a minimum of 1,000 IP / 100 decisions.

Only Blyleven has retired with more strikeouts and has not made into the HoF.




Like I said, he doesn't have the stats.

But he'll get in, the media loves him.

RJ
03-25-2009, 07:19 PM
Strikeouts- 3116 15Th all-time

No doubt he gets in.



Is Jim Thome a HOF'er?

MIAdragon
03-25-2009, 07:37 PM
Is Jim Thome a HOF'er?

I donít think so, nor do I think they are even close in their respective categories either.

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-25-2009, 07:44 PM
I donít think so, nor do I think they are even close in their respective categories either.

Thome is 14th in career homers, Schilling is 15th in strikeouts and 80th in wins.

JASONSAUTO
03-25-2009, 07:48 PM
Thome is 14th in career homers, Schilling is 15th in strikeouts and 80th in wins.

schill will get hurt by the win total. IMO and yes blyleven should get in 1st

MIAdragon
03-25-2009, 08:01 PM
Thome is 14th in career homers, Schilling is 15th in strikeouts and 80th in wins.

Thome is 230th in all-time career hits.

Third on the all-time strikeout list.

A career .229 post season batting average.

I dont see the comparison.

MIAdragon
03-25-2009, 08:02 PM
schill will get hurt by the win total. IMO and yes Blyleven should get in 1st

Blyleven will get in, if he wasnít such a dickbag he would already be in.

Simply Red
03-25-2009, 08:04 PM
Strikeouts- 3116 15Th all-time

No doubt he gets in.


yeah, no question, he was always tough to hit, he's a winner, imb.

MahiMike
03-25-2009, 08:08 PM
Of course. Not even a debate.

JASONSAUTO
03-25-2009, 08:19 PM
Blyleven will get in, if he wasnít such a dickbag he would already be in.

i agree, but that shouldnt matter IMO

RJ
03-25-2009, 08:29 PM
I donít think so, nor do I think they are even close in their respective categories either.



Comparing the two I'd give the edge to Schilling, but not by too much.

Thome is to HR's as Schilling is to K's, and Thome will move up the list this season. Thome also has always been an OBP monster. His postseason avg sucks but his HR's and RBI are strong.

Neither, IMO, are HOF worthy, but they've both been very good players.

And both will probably go in.

Braincase
03-25-2009, 08:42 PM
If you were to take away all of Roger Clemens' Cy Youngs and give 'em to a pitcher that wasn't tainted by reports of steroid use, how many of them would go to Schill? That, and he's started a company to create his own online role-playing game.

I'd vote him and his sock in.

RJ
03-25-2009, 09:28 PM
Came across this tonight.

Interesting piece about a great player who never made the HOF. The basic idea is that, for recognition purposes, it's better to be great at a couple of things than good at many things.

You'd need a few minutes to read it.


http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2009/03/a_long_time_ago_1.php