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Cornstock
03-25-2009, 09:38 PM
Sorry if repost:
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9374904/Goodell-wants-NFL-season-to-be-17-or-18-games

DANA POINT, Calif. (AP) - More games that count, perhaps as early as August 2011? That's exactly what NFL commissioner Roger Goodell wants.

There are several hurdles before the league can expand its regular season from 16 to 17 or 18 games. Among them is reaching a new collective bargaining agreement with the players' union.

Still, the commissioner hopes to present a proposal to the owners in May after the matter was discussed at length this week at the owners meetings.

"It's possible that we could vote in May, but we want to have core discussions on this," Goodell said Wednesday. "Anytime you have change, there is some reluctance. But it's clear we don't need four preseason games anymore."

Goodell said the league has not seriously discussed the subject with its broadcast partners. He couldn't imagine them not being interested in more meaningful games.

"I think the quality of NFL programming, that every one of our network partners would say, if they have the chance to have more regular-season programming, they'd be interested in it," Goodell said. "A key point is the fans also recognize players they want to see are not in those preseason games; that's why they are not attractive. They want to see those players play."

As for those players and their union, Goodell recognizes an expanded schedule will be part of CBA negotiations. Owners opted out of the current deal last year, and it expires after the 2010 schedule, which would be an uncapped season.

"Under the current agreement, additional regular-season games would not be covered," Goodell said. "I think our most important priority after we get done with our internal analysis is talking to our key partners, and that includes the players. I think we want to make sure that the right dialogue takes place before we make any final votes."

DeMaurice Smith, the NFLPA's incoming executive director, wants any decision that affects the players to happen collaboratively.

"His hope is that the concerns and interests of the players will be seriously considered," said George Atallah, a director at the public relations firm Qorvis Communications and a spokesman for Smith during his transition. "He was elected by the players to be their advocate on such issues and is more than ready to serve them."

Among the issues team owners must discuss is when the regular season would begin; how many bye weeks would be scheduled; how deep into February the playoffs and Super Bowl would go; and when the offseason programs including the combine and the draft would be held.

Plus, where would the extra games be played, particularly with 17 of them?

One possibility, an idea Goodell and senior vice president of sales and marketing Mark Waller first mentioned several years ago, would be 17 neutral-site games, including some aboard. That would enable the league to step up its efforts internationally, a particular goal of Goodell's.

"There's been some discussion about that," Goodell said. "That's been one of the appealing features of converting preseason games into regular-season games is it gives you more inventory, more games that you can take to neutral sites, either internationally or domestically. So that is a compelling feature."

Another option would be having one conference play nine home games during a season, and the other conference do so the next year.

An 18-game schedule, obviously, would eliminate such concerns. It also would mean dropping two preseason contests.

"Fans don't believe preseason games are up to our standards," Goodell said.

Clearly, neither does he.



I have no problem with dropping a preseason game or two. More chances to see the players. And promoting the league overseas can be nothing but a plus.

RJ
03-25-2009, 09:45 PM
More is not always better.

NFL, MLB, NBA and NHL seasons all are already too long, IMO.

NFL players are not machines. Extending the season will merely water down the product.

But another game or two sure would bring in a lot more money, maybe enough to offset the ad revenue they're losing.


Edit - The ad revenue the networks are losing, which will surely result in lesser tv contracts.

Bugeater
03-25-2009, 09:47 PM
Just keep choking that golden goose....

keg in kc
03-25-2009, 09:48 PM
I think the preseason is longer than it needs to be, with training being year-round, and camp running for so long. The first game and the fourth game are usually throw-away.

I do think the people it will impact the most are the marginal players. They won't have as much of an opportunity to show they can rise above their perceived ability.

Buehler445
03-25-2009, 09:50 PM
I think it will just add injuries.

Guru
03-25-2009, 09:52 PM
If they kill that 1 or 2 games in the preseason then I have no problem with this at all.

ChiefsCountry
03-25-2009, 09:52 PM
NFL used to play 6 exhibition games, then they went to 4, 2 seems logical next step. Its still a 20 game season either way.

pr_capone
03-25-2009, 09:54 PM
I think they should drop 2 preseason games and leave the rest just like it is.

All this is gonna do is fuck with stats & make players break down faster.

Cornstock
03-25-2009, 09:55 PM
I think if they do that they will need to increase the size of the 53 man roster because of the inherent increase of injuries. Likewise, to pay these players the salary cap will need to increase accordingly.

beavis
03-25-2009, 09:56 PM
I think they should drop 2 preseason games and leave the rest just like it is.

All this is gonna do is **** with stats & make players break down faster.

This.

ChiefsCountry
03-25-2009, 09:56 PM
CFL plays an 18 game schedule plus 2 exhibition games. I dont see them breaking down.

Fruit Ninja
03-25-2009, 09:57 PM
I have no problem if they want to drop 2 preseason games. I also like that the NBA and MLB seasons are long. I am just a sports fan though and i can watch sports at the end of the day.

pr_capone
03-25-2009, 10:03 PM
NFL used to play 6 exhibition games, then they went to 4, 2 seems logical next step. Its still a 20 game season either way.

Yeah but in 4 of those games certain players just mail it it and get pulled early.

I see preseason being more for the camp fodder to try and rise above their station.

If they want to kill 2 preseason games... I'm all for it. If they add 2 more regular season games I would not be heart broken but we will have to get used to new norms...

2k rushing yards in a single season will be something we will see almost every year.

QBs throwing for 5.5k yards in a single season.

25 sack season for defenders.

12 INT seasons for DB's.

It looks great on paper but as something of a stat geek.... I dun like it.

KcMizzou
03-25-2009, 10:03 PM
This.That.

And rep for the Omar avy.

Bugeater
03-25-2009, 10:04 PM
CFL plays an 18 game schedule plus 2 exhibition games. I dont see them breaking down.
How do you know that, do you actually follow the CFL?

pr_capone
03-25-2009, 10:04 PM
CFL plays an 18 game schedule plus 2 exhibition games. I dont see them breaking down.

Yeah... but its the CFL.

A. No one cares about the CFL

and

B. No one cares about the CFL

Fruit Ninja
03-25-2009, 10:07 PM
Yeah but in 4 of those games certain players just mail it it and get pulled early.

I see preseason being more for the camp fodder to try and rise above their station.

If they want to kill 2 preseason games... I'm all for it. If they add 2 more regular season games I would not be heart broken but we will have to get used to new norms...

2k rushing yards in a single season will be something we will see almost every year.

QBs throwing for 5.5k yards in a single season.

25 sack season for defenders.

12 INT seasons for DB's.

It looks great on paper but as something of a stat geek.... I dun like it.It will just be like what they did when they went from 14-16. You will still know who the good players are. Numbers will be up, but there will be more games. I dont see it as a big deal really.

Maybe it will be a bummer for stat geeks that arent like that, but i dont need stats to tell me who's good and who isnt.

tk13
03-25-2009, 10:09 PM
I think it would go back to unbalancing the schedules a little more, depending how they did it. It would really mess with the record book too. You'd have 2000 yard rushers, 5000 yard passers, etc.

pr_capone
03-25-2009, 10:10 PM
I think it would go back to unbalancing the schedules a little more, depending how they did it. It would really mess with the record book too. You'd have 2000 yard rushers, 5000 yard passers, etc.

Brees hit 5k last season.

wild1
03-25-2009, 10:10 PM
no need to make the regular season longer. just remove 2 preseason games. 4 is way too many. the last one is worthless, for sure

KcMizzou
03-25-2009, 10:10 PM
The more real NFL games I get to see, the better.

Make it 2 "pre-season"... 18 regular season.

ChiefsCountry
03-25-2009, 10:13 PM
How do you know that, do you actually follow the CFL?

Actually I do follow it. Not religiousally but I keep track of it and players throughout the year.

Tribal Warfare
03-25-2009, 11:08 PM
I think it will just add injuries.

It'll be proposed by the owners, but will be rejected by the Players Association.

jAZ
03-25-2009, 11:15 PM
How can anyone complain about this idea? They are playing these games now, but no one gives a crap and season ticket holders bitch about having to buy these tickets anyway.

Ultra Peanut
03-26-2009, 03:49 AM
I love the idea of one week -- say, Thanksgiving -- being full of neutral-site games. Not just in London or Mexico City or Berlin or Tokyo, but also in Los Angeles and other American cities without teams. Split the revenues evenly, and everyone wins.

Micjones
03-26-2009, 05:07 AM
I love how the NFL keeps trying to fix what isn't broken.

Coach
03-26-2009, 05:47 AM
While I like the idea of extending the regular season games, and removing two pre-season games, the disadvantage is that you don't get those two pre-season games to evaluate the 2nd and 3rd stringers for your team, to finish out the depth.

jidar
03-26-2009, 06:39 AM
Players careers are already too god damned short, and we already have the tempo and pace of the game changing over a single season as the starting players break down. Do we want more games at the expense of the quality of the product? Do we want players who aren't giving 100% during every regular season game like the NBA players tend to do? They really need to just leave it how it is imo. I think these guys are being pushed to their limits as it is.

Demonpenz
03-26-2009, 06:57 AM
more reasons to drink beer and eat hot wings and accidently get hot sauce on your balls

Crush
03-26-2009, 07:17 AM
This is the worst idea ever. I fear change.

Sully
03-26-2009, 07:22 AM
Good idea.

That's 2 more tickets a year I'll not be buying just to see go to waste.

Crashride
03-26-2009, 07:33 AM
I dont care what anyone says, less pre season and more regular games IS a good thing.

CoMoChief
03-26-2009, 07:53 AM
I think it's perfect the way it is considering the right amount of teams in each division. It plays out just perfectly.

4 home, 4 away games
Rotate each season on playing other divisions
4 Teams in each division

IMO it would screw everything up with adding another team, or adding more games in the reg season. If anything they should get rid of the last preseason game.

RippedmyFlesh
03-26-2009, 08:01 AM
If the active roster size isn't increased the quality of play may go down.It seems being healthy is a big factor in getting a ring. All teams have injuries but super bowl winning teams often have less than others. With a longer season that factor gets even more important.
Playoff teams could be on cruise control for 2 or 3 games instead of 1 at the end of the season.

PGM
03-26-2009, 08:10 AM
I love the idea of one week -- say, Thanksgiving -- being full of neutral-site games. Not just in London or Mexico City or Berlin or Tokyo, but also in Los Angeles and other American cities without teams. Split the revenues evenly, and everyone wins.

That really is a good idea about the neutral site games. If they would go to 17, that would be the only fair solution. There are plenty of venues that would love to host an NFL game.

Molitoth
03-26-2009, 08:31 AM
I think they should just keep it how it is, but not MAKE you purchase the preseason tickets as part of the season ticket package.... ;)

unothadeal
03-26-2009, 10:48 AM
This will just give Thannon Tharpe an excuse as to why he's better than Gonzalez.

Pestilence
03-26-2009, 10:52 AM
Sweet.....that means the price for NFL Sunday Ticket will go up some more.