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Count Zarth
03-27-2009, 08:47 PM
http://kan.scout.com/2/851238.html

<table><tbody><tr><td valign="top">Now that he's suddenly a hot topic in the media again, let’s review the last seven months as they pertain to Tony Gonzalez.
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First, we have Gonzalez officially asking the Chiefs to seek a trade last September. Second, we have Gonzalez going public with his trade demand in October. Third, we have Gonzalez expressing disdain for any rebuilding effort in Kansas City during Pro Bowl week in February. Fourth, we have “a person close to Gonzalez” reiterating an apparent desire to be traded just this last week.

Now, it is true that no deal was ever reached for Gonzalez during the season. It’s also true that Gonzalez denied a trade demand during Pro Bowl week and finally, that Scott Pioli (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3933332) recently indicated he had not received any such demand from his Pro Bowl tight end.

But, really, is there enough smoke here, or what? The fire is burning pretty hot, and it smells an awful lot like Tony Gonzalez (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3698854) would not mind playing in another uniform this season. Requesting a trade once is one thing, but when the same headline is popping up again months later, we’d be fools to believe there’s not at least a tiny part of Gonzalez that’s itching to get out of the Midwest.

Too bad. There’s plenty of reason for you to stay in Kansas City, Tony, and plenty of reason why going anywhere else might be a terrible decision.

Let’s start with the most obvious – Matt Cassel (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4210794) needs someone to throw the football to. A Chiefs offense without Tony Gonzalez is an offense with only one reliable target – Dwayne Bowe (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3698848) – who dropped 13 passes last year. Without Gonzalez, Bowe’s double teams go up, and Bobby Engram (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3564449), Mark Bradley, and the rest of the not-worth-a-mention wide receivers on KC’s roster are all that’s left.

Clearly that’s no way to build a pass-first offense, if we can assume that’s what Todd Haley plans to do, considering his history. And, wow, should the Chiefs part ways with Larry Johnson, things would really begin to look grim.

The need to provide Cassel with reliable, experienced targets in the passing game can’t be overstated. He just finished up a year throwing to Randy Moss (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3694737) and Wes Welker (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3694703). He’s used to receivers who strike fear into defenders, know how to get open, and don’t waste opportunities.

Remember what happened the last time the Chiefs traded for a quarterback and gave him only one reliable target? He threw 24 interceptions.

That alone should be enough to scare Pioli and Haley into keeping a death grip on Gonzalez for the foreseeable future. You’d think the only trade offer they might consider would involve an experienced wide receiver. Perhaps a disgruntled one. You can probably guess who I’m talking about, but that’s a completely different topic.

Now there’s the matter of Gonzalez’s desire to win a Super Bowl, apparently the driving force behind his trade demand. The only problem with that is the old cliché – the grass is not always greener.

How many aging, past-their-prime stars do you remember being traded and going on to win Super Bowls in the last 10 years? Probably not many, and for a good reason – it just doesn’t happen all that often. The best example might be Corey Dillon, whom the Patriots traded a second-round pick for in 2004. Dillon went on to win one Super Bowl, and retired two seasons later.

One player in 10 years doesn’t set much of a precedent. And going back to our cliché, not only is the grass not always greener, sometimes the guy running the other farm doesn’t even want you to eat it. Case in point, the teams who were reportedly interested in trading for Gonzalez last season.

According to media reports, the Atlanta Falcons and Buffalo Bills both attempted to acquire Gonzalez. But clearly, he had no interest in either franchise, as they weren’t considered strong Super Bowl contenders. The Titans, Steelers, Dolphins, Panthers, Giants and Vikings – the top six seeds in last year’s playoffs – clearly didn’t have much interest in Gonzalez, or a deal likely would have been struck. Perhaps one of those teams offered a pick, but it wasn’t enough for Carl Peterson to pull the trigger, obviously.

It's doubtful the Indianapolis Colts, Pittsburgh Steelers or Baltimore Ravens - three probable 2009 contenders - would be interested in Gonzalez. All three teams have young, talented tight ends. Adding Gonzalez would be overkill.

The Titans, Giants and Panthers might have interest in Gonzalez. But all three of those teams will likely compete without him. How much are they really going to offer? Would Gonzalez even want to play with Kerry Collins or - gasp - Vince Young?

And I think we can safely rule out Gonzalez becoming a New England Patriot.

Maybe Gonzalez’s best chance at a Super Bowl is in Kansas City. It’s no more uncertain a place than Atlanta or Buffalo at this point. If Pioli, Haley and Cassel are wise choices, the Chiefs should be on the championship track soon enough. Would Gonzalez have to play a few more years to get to that point? Probably. But what’s so terrible about that?

Think about how Gonzalez might completely bury every tight end record ever recorded if he plays four or five more seasons. Antonio Gates (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4189287) and Jason Witten (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3662249) won’t have a prayer of passing him up.

Remember how great it was seeing Jerome Bettis go out a champion? Remember the drama of John Elway’s final two seasons? Kansas City legend Len Dawson was a grizzled 34-year old when the 1969 Chiefs won the Super Bowl. There’s no reason Tony Gonzalez can’t go out the same way.

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Pioli Zombie
03-27-2009, 09:04 PM
Well, Ron Woodson and Ben Coates won a Super Bowl with Baltimore. Rodney Harrison with New England. And Junior Seau was 30 seconds away from one.

Why is he ruled out going to the Patriots?
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Count Zarth
03-28-2009, 05:06 PM
oh hai

DaWolf
03-28-2009, 05:13 PM
It's a very sticky situation because there is no sure thing out there. Tony risks going to another team, not winning it all there, and then continuing his career path of not winning a championship and also tarnishing his legacy here. If I were Tony, I'd look and see if the guys running the team were incompetent. If they were, I would full on ask to be traded. If not, I would dive fully into the challenge of trying to build one here. I don't know if Haley is going to be a good head coach or not, but I like his attitude of trying to be the first ones to do something in a place.

The one good thing about Gonzo is you know you'll get his full effort if he's playing for you...

DeezNutz
03-28-2009, 05:17 PM
When is the "Brian Waters needs to stay" article coming out? Is that Monday?

Mecca
03-28-2009, 05:18 PM
When is the "Brian Waters needs to stay" article coming out? Is that Monday?

We could feed alot of homeless people with just the food he eats.

DaneMcCloud
03-28-2009, 05:19 PM
When is the "Brian Waters needs to stay" article coming out? Is that Monday?

LMAO

Bowser
03-28-2009, 05:20 PM
Tony can either play for the Chiefs in '09, or retire and drink tequilla on the roof of his Manhattan Beach place.

DeezNutz
03-28-2009, 05:20 PM
We could feed alot of homeless people with just the food he eats.

First, I agree that keeping Gonzo would be an important asset for a developing QB.

But I'm tired of all the cheerleading. I don't really give a fuck about any single player. I'm a fan of the franchise and the city more generally.

Mecca
03-28-2009, 05:21 PM
First, I agree that keeping Gonzo would be an important asset for a developing QB.

But I'm tired of all the cheerleading. I don't really give a fuck about any single player. I'm a fan of the franchise and the city more generally.

Remember when I said this market gets far to attached to players?

There are no positions on a team less valuable than TE and Guard other than say maybe FB, and we have people acting like they are guys we can't possibly do without.

DeezNutz
03-28-2009, 05:26 PM
Remember when I said this market gets far to attached to players?

There are no positions on a team less valuable than TE and Guard other than say maybe FB, and we have people acting like they are guys we can't possibly do without.

Absolutely.

In some ways, I think it's a byproduct of not having much success. If you're not getting big wins, there needs to be something else to hang your hat on.

We have our "nice guys."

Bowser
03-28-2009, 05:27 PM
Remember when I said this market gets far to attached to players?

There are no positions on a team less valuable than TE and Guard other than say maybe FB, and we have people acting like they are guys we can't possibly do without.

Absolutely.

In some ways, I think it's a byproduct of not having much success. If you're not getting big wins, there needs to be something else to hang your hat on.

We have our "nice guys."

Vermeil called them "profile" guys.

Nightfyre
03-28-2009, 05:35 PM
I don't think gochiefs can write an article without polishing Lj's knob.

King_Chief_Fan
03-28-2009, 05:39 PM
this only keeps coming up due to false rumors and hack writers that have to make stuff up.
Until Tony comes forward to the press and says trade me, shit hasn't happened.

King_Chief_Fan
03-28-2009, 05:39 PM
I don't think gochiefs can write an article

fyp

Nightfyre
03-28-2009, 05:41 PM
fyp

Quit reading my thoughts!

wild1
03-28-2009, 05:42 PM
the best news the team could get would be that larry johnson is gone and there is a new sheriff in town. the team has been constipated for about two years and needs to finally pass that turd and flush him

DeezNutz
03-28-2009, 05:46 PM
fyp

I think he has a lot of promise as a writer, actually, assuming he avoids the tired cliches and openings that sometimes seep into his prose.

milkman
03-28-2009, 06:00 PM
I think he has a lot of promise as a writer, actually, assuming he avoids the tired cliches and openings that sometimes seep into his prose.

And he learns the difference between scrubs and playmakers, assuming he continues to write about football.

T-post Tom
03-28-2009, 06:05 PM
There are no positions on a team less valuable than TE and Guard other than say maybe FB, ...

While generally true, it's not always the case when a great player is involved. All you have to do is compare Tony's stats to the Chiefs' WRs and it's obvious that he's an ultra valuable commodity on the field.