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Coogs
03-30-2009, 01:21 PM
OK, it is draft day. The Chiefs really need to bolster both the O-line and D-line, add a LB or two, and get a new RB (LJ released?), and possibly a WR upgrade. There is ample talent in late round 1, round 2, and early round 3. In fact, IMO this is where this draft is for teams like the Chiefs who are building the foundation is the strongest.

The number 3 pick is at hand, and Curry is still on the board. Cleveland calls, and we trade #3 (2200 points) for #5 (1700 points) and #36 (540 points). Cleveland still has a second round pick at #50, so they are not hurt all that much by this trade.

The number 5 pick (1700 points) is now up, and Crabtree has slid past the Seahawks. Jacksonville would love to have Crabtree, but fears he will not get past Oakland. Jax offers up #8 (1400 points) and #72 (230 points), and the Chiefs take it.

The number 8 pick (1400 points) is now up, and Sanchez is still on the board. The Jets know he will not get by the 49ers at number 10, so they swing the trade with the Chiefs sending #17 (950 points), #52 (380 points), and #76 (210 points) for the #8 pick at the Chiefs 4th rounder (108 points).

Pick 17 (950 points) rolls around, and Philadelphia sees the last good OT still on the board. They can not risk waiting 4 more picks, so they package #28 (660 points) and #53 (370 points) and make the deal.

Chiefs now have these picks to build this team around...

#28
#36
#52
#53
#67
#72
#76

Look at some top 100 lists, and fill in the blanks however you please.

RustShack
03-30-2009, 01:24 PM
JFC.

Coogs
03-30-2009, 01:29 PM
JFC.

Like I said, fill in the blanks. I know I could live with a scenario like this. It's what the 49'ers did when they built their dynasty.

I'm just thinking outside of the box again. It's kind of fun if you try it once in a while.

Mr. Krab
03-30-2009, 01:32 PM
It would sure make the draft exciting. :)

I'd rather trade down from #8 to philly for the #21 and #28 though.

Dicky McElephant
03-30-2009, 01:35 PM
Let's just continue to trade down until we're out of the 1st round.

1 trade is realistic.
4 trades is not.

Dicky McElephant
03-30-2009, 01:36 PM
I'll play though. Just give me a minute.

Coogs
03-30-2009, 01:37 PM
It would sure make the draft exciting. :)

I'd rather trade down from #8 to philly for the #21 and #28 though.

That would work. That scenario would leave us...

#21
#28
#36
#67
#72

Mr. Krab
03-30-2009, 01:40 PM
That would work. That scenario would leave us...

#21
#28
#36
#67
#72
The value is right iirc. The #21 and #28 are worth 1460 and the #8 is worth 1400. :)

Dicky McElephant
03-30-2009, 01:46 PM
Chiefs now have these picks to build this team around...

#28
#36
#52
#53
#67
#72
#76

Look at some top 100 lists, and fill in the blanks however you please.

Using Scouts Top 100 and not taking a player after they're gone on that list.
Example: If Everette Brown goes at #15 and I have the 17th pick....I can't take him. This is how I would do the draft.

#28 - Darrius Heyward-Bey / WR / Maryland
#36 - Clint Sintim / OLB/DE / Virginia
#52 - Eric Wood / C / Louisville
#53 - Ron Brace / NT / Boston College
#67 - Jarron Gilbert / DE/DT / San Jose State
#72 - James Davis / RB / Clemson
#76 - Xavier Fulton / OT / Illinois

Dicky McElephant
03-30-2009, 01:53 PM
Using Scouts Top 100 and not taking a player after they're gone on that list.
Example: If Everette Brown goes at #15 and I have the 17th pick....I can't take him. This is how I would do the draft.

#28 - Darrius Heyward-Bey / WR / Louisville
#36 - Clint Sintim / OLB/DE / Virginia
#52 - Eric Wood / C / Louisville
#53 - Ron Brace / NT / Boston College
#67 - Jarron Gilbert / DE/DT / San Jose State
#72 - James Davis / RB / Clemson
#76 - Xavier Fulton / OT / Illinois

And to finish that up without the 4th round pick like in the trade.

#131 - Scott McKillop / ILB / Pittsburgh
#162 - Cody Brown / OLB / UConn
#195 - Kraig Urbik / OG / Wisconsin
Mr. Irrelevant - Nathan Brown / QB / Central Arkansas


***DISCLAIMER***
This is using Scout.com's Top 100. In no way do I think that said players will last till our picks in said rounds.

Chiefnj2
03-30-2009, 01:54 PM
28 - Mack (33 nfldraftcountdown)
36 - Barwin (42 nfldraftcountdown)
52 - Brace (55 nfldraftcountdown)

76 - Urbik (83 nfldraftcountdown)

I'm too lazy to go any further other than to say once you get past 50 you may want to draw some names out of a hat.

Coogs
03-30-2009, 01:56 PM
Using Scouts Top 100 and not taking a player after they're gone on that list.
Example: If Everette Brown goes at #15 and I have the 17th pick....I can't take him. This is how I would do the draft.

#28 - Darrius Heyward-Bey / WR / Louisville
#36 - Clint Sintim / OLB/DE / Virginia
#52 - Eric Wood / C / Louisville
#53 - Ron Brace / NT / Boston College
#67 - Jarron Gilbert / DE/DT / San Jose State
#72 - James Davis / RB / Clemson
#76 - Xavier Fulton / OT / Illinois

Nice! :clap:

Dicky McElephant
03-30-2009, 01:57 PM
And to finish that up without the 4th round pick like in the trade.

#131 - Scott McKillop / ILB / Pittsburgh
#162 - Cody Brown / OLB / UConn
#195 - Kraig Urbik / OG / Wisconsin
Mr. Irrelevant - Nathan Brown / QB / Central Arkansas


***DISCLAIMER***
This is using Scout.com's Top 100. In no way do I think that said players will last till our picks in said rounds.

28 - Mack (33 nfldraftcountdown)
36 - Barwin (42 nfldraftcountdown)
52 - Brace (55 nfldraftcountdown)

76 - Urbik (83 nfldraftcountdown)

I'm too lazy to go any further other than to say once you get past 50 you may want to draw some names out of a hat.

I find it funny that Urbik is 83 on NFLDraftCountdown but around 195 on Scout.com. It could be that Scout.com has no clue what they're fucking talking about.

Coogs
03-30-2009, 01:57 PM
28 - Mack (33 nfldraftcountdown)
36 - Barwin (42 nfldraftcountdown)
52 - Brace (55 nfldraftcountdown)

76 - Urbik (83 nfldraftcountdown)

I'm too lazy to go any further other than to say once you get past 50 you may want to draw some names out of a hat.

Also very nice! :thumb:

Mr. Krab
03-30-2009, 02:05 PM
That would work. That scenario would leave us...

#21
#28
#36
#67
#72
If we were to go strictly by the numbers on Scott Wright's top 100 we would end up with these.

<table style="border: 1px solid rgb(30, 104, 132);" width="75%" align="center" border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td> 21.</td> <td>Darrius Heyward-Bey</td> <td><center>WR</center></td> <td><center>Maryland</center></td></tr></tbody></table>
<table style="border: 1px solid rgb(30, 104, 132);" width="75%" align="center" border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td>28.</td> <td>Josh Freeman</td> <td><center>QB</center></td> <td><center>Kansas St.</center></td></tr></tbody></table>
<table style="border: 1px solid rgb(30, 104, 132);" width="75%" align="center" border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td> 36.</td> <td>LeSean McCoy</td> <td><center>RB</center></td> <td><center>Pittsburgh</center></td></tr></tbody></table>
<table style="border: 1px solid rgb(30, 104, 132);" width="75%" align="center" border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td> 67.</td> <td>Cody Brown</td> <td><center>DE</center></td> <td><center>Connecticut</center></td></tr></tbody></table>
<table style="border: 1px solid rgb(30, 104, 132);" width="75%" align="center" border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td>73.</td> <td>Juaquin Iglesias</td> <td><center>WR</center></td> <td><center>Oklahoma</center></td></tr></tbody></table>

KCrockaholic
03-31-2009, 12:57 AM
Using Scouts Top 100 and not taking a player after they're gone on that list.
Example: If Everette Brown goes at #15 and I have the 17th pick....I can't take him. This is how I would do the draft.

#28 - Darrius Heyward-Bey / WR / Louisville
#36 - Clint Sintim / OLB/DE / Virginia
#52 - Eric Wood / C / Louisville
#53 - Ron Brace / NT / Boston College
#67 - Jarron Gilbert / DE/DT / San Jose State
#72 - James Davis / RB / Clemson
#76 - Xavier Fulton / OT / Illinois

Very nice! But what if we switch out Clint Sintim for Connor Barwin? ill take my chances.

Coogs
03-31-2009, 09:42 AM
OK, let's say we stopped after the first two trade downs with Cleveland and then Jax. That would leave our top 5 picks like this...

#8
#36
#67
#72
#102

If LJ stays, we could maybe go something along these lines...

#8 BJ Raji NT
#36 Conner Barwin OLB
#67 Eric Woods C
#72 Andy Levitre or Craig Urbik G
#102 Dannell Ellerbe ILB

If LJ goes..

#8 BJ Raji NT
#36 Conner Barwin OLB
#67 Levitre or Urbik G
#72 Andre Brown or Shonn Green RB
#102 Antoine Caldwell C

KCrockaholic
03-31-2009, 12:01 PM
OK, let's say we stopped after the first two trade downs with Cleveland and then Jax. That would leave our top 5 picks like this...

#8
#36
#67
#72
#102



ill toy around with your draft order.....


#8 - Everette Brown
#36 - Connor Barwin :grovel:
#67 - Duke Robinson
#72 - Ron Brace
#102 - Pat White (Chiefs are interested)

I like this...

Saccopoo
03-31-2009, 12:08 PM
Connor Barwin? The guy played DE for one season in a weak conference. One year, one hit wonder who is going to be a major project at best - a special teams contributor and third team DE for at least the first couple of years in a best case scenario.

Does he offer anything beyond what we already have in Brian Johnston, who was a one man wrecking crew and athletic freak of nature in small college at the DE spot? I seriously doubt it. Wasting a high round pick on Barwin would be waste. (Pardon the redundancy.)

Dicky McElephant
03-31-2009, 12:19 PM
Connor Barwin? The guy played DE for one season in a weak conference. One year, one hit wonder who is going to be a major project at best - a special teams contributor and third team DE for at least the first couple of years in a best case scenario.

Does he offer anything beyond what we already have in Brian Johnston, who was a one man wrecking crew and athletic freak of nature in small college at the DE spot? I seriously doubt it. Wasting a high round pick on Barwin would be waste. (Pardon the redundancy.)

Thats my thought. I'd rather take Clint Sintim....who's proven that he can play the position.

bdeg
03-31-2009, 12:35 PM
Clint Sintim doesn't look that explosive. Connor Barwin had a 10'8 broad, and ran a 4.49 at I believe 265(40 is overrated, I know but the kid's a FREAK).

Barwin will be able to beat OT's with pure speed and first step, you hope he develops the rest of the game but he seems like a motivated player who showed a lot of improvement in his one year.

He had better overall combine #'s than any DL or LB.

Also...the only reason he was a '1 year wonder' was because of Cincinnati's inept coaching staff. Any player at his size with his burst should've been given a shot at DE earlier.

bdeg
03-31-2009, 01:03 PM
ill toy around with your draft order.....


#8 - Everette Brown
#36 - Connor Barwin :grovel:
#67 - Duke Robinson
#72 - Ron Brace
#102 - Pat White (Chiefs are interested)

I like this...
I like this a whole lot.

Except at 102 I'd take Terrance Taylor. Good NT prospect, 6' 306 but long arms for his size and put up 37 reps. May have to add a little weight, but he could be a force.

That frees up 72, where I'd take Shonn Greene instead.

Brown
Barwin
Robinson
Greene
Taylor

Dream draft right there.

Dicky McElephant
03-31-2009, 01:09 PM
I don't see Duke Robinson or Ron Brace lasting until the 3rd round.

bdeg
03-31-2009, 01:10 PM
I don't see Duke Robinson or Ron Brace lasting until the 3rd round.

Me neither, just going off nfldc

Dicky McElephant
03-31-2009, 01:14 PM
ill toy around with your draft order.....


#8 - Everette Brown
#36 - Connor Barwin :grovel:
#67 - Duke Robinson
#72 - Ron Brace
#102 - Pat White (Chiefs are interested)

I like this...

Using nfldraftcountdown's rankings....I'll take this.

#8 - Everette Brown, DE/OLB, Florida State
#36 - Max Unger, OC/OG, Oregon
#67 - Kraig Urbik, OG/OT, Wisconsin
#72 - Lawrence Sidbury, OLB/DE, Richmond
#102 - James Davis, RB, Clemson