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Tribal Warfare
03-31-2009, 02:25 AM
It’s a fresh start for Chiefs as offseason conditioning program begins (http://www.kansascity.com/sports/football/story/1115318.html)
By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star

Since the last time the Chiefs gathered as a team, they changed their general manager, head coach, most position coaches and the offensive and defensive systems.

The players returned Monday for the beginning of the offseason conditioning program, and their world was different to the point where a veteran like safety Jarrad Page felt like a rookie again.

“Things are going to be a little tighter now,” said Page, a fourth-year player. “Guys won’t be able to get away with things like they did before. The coaches are going to make sure they clamp down now to make sure we get into that mind-set and everybody stays together and nobody feels like they’re above everybody else.”

“I can’t say yes and I can’t say no that it’s better or not better. I know it’s changed and I’m looking forward to it, but I can’t tell you we needed this, that we couldn’t win the old way. I can just tell you I like the situation the way it is now and we’re going to make it work.”

The new head coach, Todd Haley, said the Chiefs had more than 60 players on hand, which would represent almost perfect attendance given that they have 65 players under contract.

Although Haley wouldn’t say, a couple of players said running back Larry Johnson was one of the participants.

One of Haley’s immediate tasks is to change what has become a culture of losing. The Chiefs were 2-14 last year and lost nine straight to end the 2007 season.

Although Haley didn’t dwell on that in his first talk with the team, it was part of his message.

“I tried to offer a little hope that I’ve been somewhere here in the last two years where there hasn’t been a lot of hope and we’ve got to get on the big stage and play for the championship,” said Haley, offensive coordinator for the Arizona Cardinals the last two seasons.

“I’m not going to get into the culture as much as everybody in this building is going to be about winning. We all work too hard and the losses are painful enough. We’ve got a big task.

“I got a true sense of excitement. This building has been real quiet. Once you get the players in here and things start to pick up, they’re definitely the heartbeat of the place. It’s always a fun time of year once they come back in.”

One thing Haley and general manager Scott Pioli will look for over the three months of the offseason program are players who not only like to play football, but work at it, too.

“This is a clean slate for the entire group of Kansas City Chiefs as far as I’m concerned,” Haley said. “We’re at ground zero, and this is an opportunity for everybody. As Scott and I have both said along the line here, we’re looking for guys that want to be Kansas City Chiefs, that want to put their chips all-in and be a part of something special.

“Football has got to be first.”

Johnson and guard Brian Waters during the offseason have asked to be traded or released, and tight end Tony Gonzalez has at times sent mixed signals. Otherwise, Haley’s audience seemed largely receptive to his message.

“Guys are ready for a little bit of a different direction,” said backup safety and special-teams player Jon McGraw. “What we were doing obviously wasn’t working.

“We’ve got to go forward with the decisions that have been made. The best thing guys can do right now is just embrace the change and not resist it. We know things are going to be different. The guys they brought in are football people. They have the background and the credibility to come in and turn around this program. There’s no reason for me or for anyone to doubt that.”

Preseason opponents

The Chiefs will play home games against Houston and Seattle and road games against Minnesota and St. Louis in the preseason.

Specific dates are to be announced, but the Chiefs will open the exhibition schedule at Arrowhead Stadium against the Texans the weekend of Aug. 13-17. Following is the game at Minnesota (Aug. 20-24), the meeting with Seahawks (Aug. 27-31) and the finale with the Rams (Sept. 3-4).

The Chiefs will begin the regular season Sept. 13, and for the first time in three years, the opener could be at Arrowhead because the Royals play in Cleveland that day.

Micjones
03-31-2009, 05:39 AM
The players seem to be really upbeat and positive about the new direction.
Mostly without really knowing what it is...

Coach
03-31-2009, 05:56 AM
The players seem to be really upbeat and positive about the new direction.
Mostly without really knowing what it is...

Can't be any worse than the direction they were being led by Herman Fucking Edwards.

Tiger's Fan
03-31-2009, 06:20 AM
I like Pages comments about things being tighter now, and guys won't be able to get away with things like they did before. It's about time we had some disciplined football around One Arrowhead.

Red Beans
03-31-2009, 06:26 AM
I'm ready for this. I like Haley, it's a brand new era in the Chief's Nation...

soundmind
03-31-2009, 07:49 AM
“Things are going to be a little tighter now,” said Page, a fourth-year player. “Guys won’t be able to get away with things like they did before. The coaches are going to make sure they clamp down now to make sure we get into that mind-set and everybody stays together and nobody feels like they’re above everybody else.”

F*** Larry Johnson.

Brock
03-31-2009, 07:54 AM
The players seem to be really upbeat and positive about the new direction.
Mostly without really knowing what it is...

They probably better pretend to be even if they're not.

EyePod
03-31-2009, 08:37 AM
“Things are going to be a little tighter now,” said Page, a fourth-year player. “Guys won’t be able to get away with things like they did before. The coaches are going to make sure they clamp down now to make sure we get into that mind-set and everybody stays together and nobody feels like they’re above everybody else.”

F*** Larry Johnson.

Apparently you didn't read the whole post:

Although Haley wouldn’t say, a couple of players said running back Larry Johnson was one of the participants.So I say f*** soundmind.

Brock
03-31-2009, 08:39 AM
I don't care if Larry was there or not, fuck him. He's a weak little bitch.

soundmind
03-31-2009, 08:45 AM
Apparently you didn't read the whole post:

So I say f*** soundmind.

Sweet, childish instigation.....and it's not even 10am.

And I did read the whole post...where do you think I got the idea that maybe, just maybe, there have been a few players on this team that think they're above the rest.

Is it really any kind of reach to assume one of those guys is Larry Johnson, when he's basically THE holdout, THE problem, THE player with 4 assault charges in as many years....and ZERO remorse???

Gee....ya, we should definitely be petting him some more.

EyePod
03-31-2009, 08:53 AM
Sweet, childish instigation.....and it's not even 10am.

And I did read the whole post...where do you think I got the idea that maybe, just maybe, there have been a few players on this team that think they're above the rest.

Is it really any kind of reach to assume one of those guys is Larry Johnson, when he's basically THE holdout, THE problem, THE player with 4 assault charges in as many years....and ZERO remorse???

Gee....ya, we should definitely be petting him some more.

Look, he fucked up; I agree with that. He showed remorse and worked his ass off ever since. He requested a trade (I would have wanted away from this shit hole of a team last season too). He hasn't said anything since Haley's been the new coach. He shows up the 1st day of practices. And you're still saying that he has issues? Look, if he's willing to change, then let him. If he fucks up again, hang his ass out to dry.

Nightfyre
03-31-2009, 09:04 AM
Look, he ****ed up; I agree with that. He showed remorse and worked his ass off ever since. He requested a trade (I would have wanted away from this shit hole of a team last season too). He hasn't said anything since Haley's been the new coach. He shows up the 1st day of practices. And you're still saying that he has issues? Look, if he's willing to change, then let him. If he ****s up again, hang his ass out to dry.

four assault charges do not equate to one fuck up. Just sayin'.

wasi
03-31-2009, 10:44 AM
I would probably rather see LJ off this team than on it. Despite the fact his performance had slipped, which had as much to do with Herm, Brokie/Huard and Oline issues, LJ didn't seem to want to work hard through the tough times.

I'm not trying to defend LJ, but maybe his off-field behaviour can be attributed to some form of mild depression over the state of the team, his declining performance and general unhappiness with the direction of his career.

While I would be totally ok with LJ being cut or traded, I firmly believe he can still help this team. If the combination of Pioli's potential and Haley's disciplined approach can get LJ refocused on football and get the Chief's winning again the off-field issues become less of a problem for me.

Douche Baggins
03-31-2009, 11:50 AM
Interesting that McGraw sort of threw Herm under the bus.

Micjones
03-31-2009, 11:52 AM
Interesting that McGraw sort of threw Herm under the bus.

Especially since without him he might be selling insurance right now.

htismaqe
03-31-2009, 11:55 AM
I don't think McGraw threw Herm under the bus. He just realizes that it's easier to tell the truth about the situation than it is to try an sugarcoat it.

As for him selling insurance, I don't know. McGraw seems to be the exact type of player that fits the new model.

CoMoChief
03-31-2009, 11:55 AM
“Things are going to be a little tighter now,” said Page, a fourth-year player. “Guys won’t be able to get away with things like they did before. The coaches are going to make sure they clamp down now to make sure we get into that mind-set and everybody stays together and nobody feels like they’re above everybody else.”


So with Herm all the players just liked to fuck off. Got it.

CoMoChief
03-31-2009, 11:56 AM
I don't think McGraw threw Herm under the bus. He just realizes that it's easier to tell the truth about the situation than it is to try an sugarcoat it.

As for him selling insurance, I don't know. McGraw seems to be the exact type of player that fits the new model.

which is what? sucking?!?!??

Coogs
03-31-2009, 11:57 AM
Interesting that McGraw sort of threw Herm under the bus.


I also sort of found it interesting that Page wasn't convinced that we couldn't win the old way... 4-12 and 2-14 not withstanding.

htismaqe
03-31-2009, 12:02 PM
which is what? sucking?!?!??

He's a very solid special teams player that provides veteran leadership in the locker room. He's not a starting free safety.

htismaqe
03-31-2009, 12:02 PM
I also sort of found it interesting that Page wasn't convinced that we couldn't win the old way... 4-12 and 2-14 not withstanding.

He's not real bright.

Douche Baggins
03-31-2009, 12:02 PM
He's not real bright.

Thread crossover! :cuss:

htismaqe
03-31-2009, 12:20 PM
Thread crossover! :cuss:

:evil:

Micjones
03-31-2009, 12:26 PM
He's a very solid special teams player that provides veteran leadership in the locker room. He's not a starting free safety.

He's definitely a valuable member of our Special Teams.
I just wonder without the nod from Edwards if he even be that.

wasi
03-31-2009, 02:01 PM
Is the program continuing past Monday?

Does anyone have a handy link with all the key dates this offseason?