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Saccopoo
04-02-2009, 01:29 PM
Straight draft. No trade down scenarios. Includes a secondary option.

1. Aaron Curry - LB; Wake Forest
- We all know that half this place doesn't think you take this position in the top ten, and half thinks you take the best player available in a position of great need. I'm the later. Chiefs are desperate for decent linebackers, Curry is one, and he also happens to be what most consider to be the best player in this draft.

Option: Eugene Monroe - OT; Virginia

3. Kraig Urbik - OG; Wisconsin
- Could be drafted for either the RG or RT spot. Either way, he'd give the Chiefs a massive, ill-tempered road grader on the right side of the line.

Option: Cody Brown - LB; Connecticut

4. Henry Melton - DE; Texas
- A project in the mold of, say, Connor Barwin in that he's only been playing the DE for two seasons, but is athletic and has size.

Option: Fenuki Tupou - OL; Oregon

5. Austin Collie - WR; BYU
- Big, runs great routes, makes acrobatic catches, smart, is fast/quick on the field and runs well after the catch. Isn't afraid to mix it up physically. I hate BYU, but this guy is the real deal.

Option: Clinton McDonald - DT; Memphis

6. Louie Sakoda - K/P; Utah
- Funny to see that with two first day picks in Paul Kruger and Sean Smith on the roster as well as qb Brian Johnson, that King Louie was the BMOC in Salt Lake City. Helped the Utes win a number of games that they shouldn't have won, and is the coolest guy under pressure I've ever seen kicking the ball. Is an All-American at both kicking and punting and can fill two roster spots. Makes everything from 50 and in. Smart, calm, cool and collected. Chiefs have had a problem with kickers recently, and a good kicker wins you some games that you might otherwise lose. (See Jason Elam in '07.)

Option: Rulon Davis - DE; California

7. Mortty Ivy - LB; West Virginia
- Not fast, but incredibly instinctive and makes plays all over the field. Just seems to be where the ball is on every play.

Option: Javarris Williams - RB; Tennessee State

htismaqe
04-02-2009, 02:30 PM
IF Curry can be an OLB, then I could see the "position of great need" argument.

As it stands though, even if we go full 3-4, we already have a top 15 pick at ILB, we don't really NEED another one.

Overall, I like the mock, though.

raybec 4
04-02-2009, 02:37 PM
Austin Collie will probably be gone by the 5th but it would be a steal at that spot.

KCrockaholic
04-03-2009, 01:00 AM
I really hope we end up with Brian Robiskie...Just throwing that out there.

DaneMcCloud
04-03-2009, 01:08 AM
I really hope we end up with Brian Robiskie...Just throwing that out there.

Why?

The Chiefs have Dwayne Bowe and Will Franklin. Why do they need another possession receiver?

They're missing a "burner". If Bradley could stay healthy, the Chiefs would have a very dynamic receiving corp.

But Robiskie doesn't really improve the Chiefs at this time. He's just more of the same.

RustShack
04-03-2009, 01:20 AM
I hope we trade down and end up with Everette Brown to hold down DE in the 4-3 and OLB in the 3-4 and then Rey Maualuga to hold down MLB and ILB.

DaneMcCloud
04-03-2009, 01:20 AM
I hope we trade down and end up with Everette Brown to hold down DE in the 4-3 and OLB in the 3-4 and then Rey Maualuga to hold down MLB and ILB.

Sorry but :Lin:

RustShack
04-03-2009, 01:21 AM
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RustShack
04-03-2009, 01:22 AM
Sorry but :Lin:

I would just rather have two impact players than one "solid double".

DaneMcCloud
04-03-2009, 01:27 AM
I would just rather have two impact players than one "solid double".

I'm sorry, I don't see those guys as "Impact" players.

RustShack
04-03-2009, 01:32 AM
They have more big play ability than Curry could dream about. Don't get me wrong Curry has all the talent in the wrong, he just doesn't make big plays. He is very solid and consistent though.

htismaqe
04-03-2009, 09:35 AM
I'm sorry, I don't see those guys as "Impact" players.

Both of them individually could have more impact than Curry, let alone together.

philfree
04-03-2009, 10:43 AM
Both of them individually could have more impact than Curry, let alone together.

I guess they could have but they could also not have hardly any impact at all.


They have more big play ability than Curry could dream about. Don't get me wrong Curry has all the talent in the wrong, he just doesn't make big plays. He is very solid and consistent though.


Yeah right.



I am not on the Curry or bust train but I've read so many stements like these two in regards to Curry that it makes my head spin. These statements are based on absolutely nothing. "He just doesn't make big plays"? Gimmie a break man.




PhilFree:arrow:

htismaqe
04-03-2009, 10:47 AM
I am not on the Curry or bust train but I've read so many stements like these two in regards to Curry that it makes my head spin. These statements are based on absolutely nothing. "He just doesn't make big plays"? Gimmie a break man.

Come clean and tell me how many Wake Forest games you actually watched.

Because he doesn't make alot of big plays. He made ALOT more big plays his 2nd-to-last season than he did this past year.

He's a solid player who hardly ever makes a mistake. But he's also a guy who bats it down instead of trying to make the pick at the expense of giving up a big play. He'll wrap up and make a tackle rather than try to jar the ball loose if he thinks it means he might give up a big play. He's a very conservative player and that's a fact.

Chiefnj2
04-03-2009, 10:48 AM
What's an impact play? If he takes good angles and wraps up his player and is consistent, isn't that better than a guy who goes for the kill and misses 30% of the time but forces a few fumbles during the course of the year?

RustShack
04-03-2009, 11:01 AM
I guess they could have but they could also not have hardly any impact at all.





Yeah right.



I am not on the Curry or bust train but I've read so many stements like these two in regards to Curry that it makes my head spin. These statements are based on absolutely nothing. "He just doesn't make big plays"? Gimmie a break man.




PhilFree:arrow:

LOL and its quotes like this that make me think the Curry lovers have never watched a game of his. Hell watch his highlight video, his highlights are like regular plays for most other guys.

philfree
04-03-2009, 11:10 AM
Come clean and tell me how many Wake Forest games you actually watched.

Because he doesn't make alot of big plays. He made ALOT more big plays his 2nd-to-last season than he did this past year.

He's a solid player who hardly ever makes a mistake. But he's also a guy who bats it down instead of trying to make the pick at the expense of giving up a big play. He'll wrap up and make a tackle rather than try to jar the ball loose if he thinks it means he might give up a big play. He's a very conservative player and that's a fact.

I've said it before that I've watched video of the guy. It's easy to see why he is considered by so many to be the best player in the draft. But the statement made was "he just doesn't make big plays". That statement just isn't accurate. I guess you would have to define big play but I'm pretty sure returning an INT for a TD is a big play. A tackle for a loss? Is that a big play? To me it seems like peoples idea of a big play is a triple crown and that's it. Sack, fumble and recover it for a TD. People around here are so convinced that a LB who isn't just a pass rusher can have no serious impact and it's not true. I'm all for a trade down but the reason people don't want to draft Curry are twisted IMO.


PhilFree:arrow:

htismaqe
04-03-2009, 11:10 AM
What's an impact play? If he takes good angles and wraps up his player and is consistent, isn't that better than a guy who goes for the kill and misses 30% of the time but forces a few fumbles during the course of the year?

6 of one, one half dozen of the other.

I think a guy that misses 30% of the time but forces a fumble 30% of the time is slightly more valuable than a guy who misses 5% of the time but forces a fumble 5% of the time.

htismaqe
04-03-2009, 11:11 AM
I've said it before that I've watched video of the guy. It's easy to see why he is considered by so many to be the best player in the draft. But the statement made was "he just doesn't make big plays". That statement just isn't accurate. I guess you would have to define big play but I'm pretty sure returning an INT for a TD is a big play. A tackle for a loss? Is that a big play? To me it seems like peoples idea of a big play is a triple crown and that's it. Sack, fumble and recover it for a TD. People around here are so convinced that a LB who isn't just a pass rusher can have no serious impact and it's not true. I'm all for a trade down but the reason people don't want to draft Curry are twisted IMO.


PhilFree:arrow:

Again, you need to separate "don't want to draft Curry" from "don't want to draft Curry with the #3 overall pick".

Chiefnj2
04-03-2009, 11:12 AM
6 of one, one half dozen of the other.

I think a guy that misses 30% of the time but forces a fumble 30% of the time is slightly more valuable than a guy who misses 5% of the time but forces a fumble 5% of the time.

Nobody forces fumbles 30% of the time.

htismaqe
04-03-2009, 11:14 AM
Nobody forces fumbles 30% of the time.

And nobody misses tackles 5% of the time.

Chiefnj2
04-03-2009, 11:14 AM
LOL and its quotes like this that make me think the Curry lovers have never watched a game of his. Hell watch his highlight video, his highlights are like regular plays for most other guys.

So an OLB from Wake Forest that doesn't rush the passer and only makes regular plays somehow ends up being the top 1 or 2 players on every draft board? Amazing.

htismaqe
04-03-2009, 11:15 AM
So an OLB from Wake Forest that doesn't rush the passer and only makes regular plays somehow ends up being the top 1 or 2 players on every draft board? Amazing.

The NFL loves conservative, play-not-to-lose strategies. They have for years.

It's not amazing at all. It's COMMONPLACE. See Jake Long.

philfree
04-03-2009, 11:18 AM
Again, you need to separate "don't want to draft Curry" from "don't want to draft Curry with the #3 overall pick".


Fair enough. You would be glad to trade down and then pick Curry and that'd be cool.


PhilFree:arrow:

RustShack
04-03-2009, 11:20 AM
So an OLB from Wake Forest that doesn't rush the passer and only makes regular plays somehow ends up being the top 1 or 2 players on every draft board? Amazing.

Weak year, safe pick. I'm not saying he isn't talented, but talent doesn't always make you a great player. His style of play is just too conservative. Averaging one TD a year doesn't really make him a big impact guy, neither does tackles for loss. Hell DJ lead the NFL in tackles for loss not long ago and I would hardly call him a great player.

RustShack
04-03-2009, 11:21 AM
I would like to add I'm not against drafting Curry, I would love to have a talented and consistent tackler. But I think you can find lesser talented players later in the draft who can make close to the same impact...

htismaqe
04-03-2009, 11:42 AM
Fair enough. You would be glad to trade down and then pick Curry and that'd be cool.


PhilFree:arrow:

ABSOLUTELY.

I thought I had made that clear. I'd be VERY cool with taking Curry in the 8-10 range, if he would last that long.

Chiefnj2
04-03-2009, 11:47 AM
ABSOLUTELY.

I thought I had made that clear. I'd be VERY cool with taking Curry in the 8-10 range, if he would last that long.

Orakpo is the next general consensus choice if you want a defensive player that can rush the QB.

htismaqe
04-03-2009, 11:53 AM
Orakpo is the next general consensus choice if you want a defensive player that can rush the QB.

Yeah, I'm willing to throw his ranking out the window. He played at Texas.

RustShack
04-03-2009, 12:17 PM
Orakpo is the next general consensus choice if you want a defensive player that can rush the QB.

ROFL

Hes the pick you want if your asking for a bust.

ROFL

Chiefnj2
04-03-2009, 12:19 PM
I think the Orakpo criticism is in part due to Gholston's failure last year and every draft needs a bad guy to pick on. Clady was last years pre-draft "bust".

RustShack
04-03-2009, 12:21 PM
I think the Orakpo criticism is in part due to Gholston's failure last year and every draft needs a bad guy to pick on. Clady was last years pre-draft "bust".

I think the Orakpo criticism has a little to do with him playing at Texas. I think it has to do with him obviously being a workout warrior. I think it has to do with him being an NFL LE and the sack artist us usually your RE.

htismaqe
04-03-2009, 12:27 PM
I think the Orakpo criticism is in part due to Gholston's failure last year and every draft needs a bad guy to pick on. Clady was last years pre-draft "bust".

I think it's due almost solely because he comes from a long line of Texas guys that have been, at best, disappointments or, at worst, complete and utter busts.

DaneMcCloud
04-03-2009, 12:34 PM
Both of them individually could have more impact than Curry, let alone together.

They could.

I still don't like them.

Just me. :D

DaneMcCloud
04-03-2009, 12:35 PM
Yeah, I'm willing to throw his ranking out the window. He played at Texas.

Exactly.

I don't trust anyone that played at Texas to translate to the NFL.

Way too many busts at nearly every position.

bdeg
04-03-2009, 01:11 PM
I think it's due almost solely because he comes from a long line of Texas guys that have been, at best, disappointments or, at worst, complete and utter busts.
Not to mention the fact that after four seasons of playing at Texas and all the coaching he received he still has no idea how to use his hands to shed blocks.

Saccopoo
04-26-2009, 04:47 PM
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7. Mortty Ivy - LB; West Virginia
- Not fast, but incredibly instinctive and makes plays all over the field. Just seems to be where the ball is on every play.

Option: Javarris Williams - RB; Tennessee State

Because I'm a freaking genius.