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googlegoogle
04-04-2009, 12:08 AM
No Curry.

Too high for a linebacker. Pioli is confident he can get linebackers in the lower rounds.

L.A. Chieffan
04-04-2009, 12:18 AM
awesume

SNR
04-04-2009, 12:20 AM
Orakpo is a giant bust waiting to happen. And I don't mean like the ones you see in Canton, Ohio.

Raji would piss people off, but it would make more sense than Orakpo.

Curry... eh... I know it's difficult to find a trade partner these days, so I wouldn't blame Pioli and Haley if that's the direction we went. There simply isn't the type of talent we need available early in the draft.

A QB is still possible and I wouldn't mind this at all. Cassel to this day STILL only has a one-year deal in place. If he plays well for a season, we could ship him out again at higher than a 2nd round pick and come out ahead on the original deal with the Pats. Plus Stafford/Sanchez appear to be the two best prospects both THIS year AND next year.

SBK
04-04-2009, 01:12 AM
http://www.speakeasy.org/%7Etalshoe/lj/kill%20it%20with%20fire.jpg

Mecca
04-04-2009, 01:52 AM
Brian Orakpo, are people just trying to piss me off?

Coach
04-04-2009, 02:44 AM
Well, give him credit. He did say that a linebacker is too high, which is correct.

Now Orakpo? Pass. Raji? That, I don't know.....

Coach
04-04-2009, 03:11 AM
The more I think about this, Orakpo should be re-named "Oh crap po!"

Chiefnj2
04-04-2009, 06:35 AM
The last time there was a general consensus in the draft as to who not to take in the top 10 it was Clady.

htismaqe
04-04-2009, 07:07 AM
Raji is going to fall into the 20-30 range, just wait and see.

Orakpo should be avoided by the plague.

BigChiefFan
04-04-2009, 12:32 PM
Raji is going to fall into the 20-30 range, just wait and see.

Orakpo should be avoided by the plague. I think Raji goes top 10 for sure. I believe that article that came out about him, was just a smokescreen for a team hoping he would fall to them. Those type of bogus reports happen every year.

milkman
04-04-2009, 12:34 PM
Raji is going to fall into the 20-30 range, just wait and see.

Orakpo should be avoided by the plague.

(Chuck Norrisesque)

Orakpo doesn't avoid the plague, the plague avoids Orakpo.

Chiefnj2
04-04-2009, 12:37 PM
I think Raji goes top 10 for sure. I believe that article that came out about him, was just a smokescreen for a team hoping he would fall to them. Those type of bogus reports happen every year.

There is no smokescreen for the NFL teams. Don't they all get reports? You can't bluff them.

ChiefsCountry
04-04-2009, 12:38 PM
The last time there was a general consensus in the draft as to who not to take in the top 10 it was Clady.

And everybody said Denver was a great fit for him bc of the zone blocking scheme.

Mecca
04-04-2009, 12:40 PM
Raji is not going to fall into the 20's, if he starts to fall you have Green Bay and Denver who desperately need Dlinemen especially a nose and then you have San Diego who would probably piss themselves in joy.

BigChiefFan
04-04-2009, 12:46 PM
There is no smokescreen for the NFL teams. Don't they all get reports? You can't bluff them.
Here ya go...


“Neither the 32 clubs nor the league office know the results of drug or steroid tests taken at the 2009 Combine. The independent medical advisors who administer the tests have notified in writing those players and only those players who tested positive at the Combine. Unfortunately, rumors about draft eligible players, including rumors about test results, begin to circulate every year at this time. Many of these rumors are circulated for self-serving reasons and they are terribly unfair to the players and their families.”

Garcia Bronco
04-04-2009, 01:26 PM
Baji is a dirty dope smoker. You guys and the other first 11 teams don't want him.

BigChiefFan
04-04-2009, 01:32 PM
Baji is a dirty dope smoker. You guys and the other first 11 teams don't want him.:evil:

Yep, I don't know why so many around here shrug him off as some kind of POS player. We have a chance to get an Ngata type player and people want a LBer, who doesn't even rush the QB. Unbelievable.

KCrockaholic
04-04-2009, 11:33 PM
No Curry.

Too high for a linebacker. Pioli is confident he can get linebackers in the lower rounds.

Ugh. We need something else to talk about on here. Its the same ol' stuff over and over again. How about who we should take with our 3rd round pick instead?

Saccopoo
04-05-2009, 02:26 AM
Baji is a dirty dope smoker. You guys and the other first 11 teams don't want him.

I sure as hell don't. Would be great for the Broncos though. You guys need a player like that. A guy with a 300 pound ass, a brand new paycheck in the millions and the munchies. There ain't enough people in the kitchen of the Pearl Street Grill to cook that many Monte Cristo sandwiches to satisfy that bankroll and hunger. And you thought Ted Washington struggled with his weight over the years...

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-05-2009, 02:28 AM
Baji is a dirty dope smoker. You guys and the other first 11 teams don't want him.

I just hope the Chiefs draft Randy Orton.

Saccopoo
04-05-2009, 02:33 AM
:evil:

Yep, I don't know why so many around here shrug him off as some kind of POS player. We have a chance to get an Ngata type player and people want a LBer, who doesn't even rush the QB. Unbelievable.

You are kidding, right? Ngata has an immense upper body with strength. Look at guys like Ngata, Hampton, Wilfork, Rogers, et al. And I mean, look at them literally. Look at what they look like. Any comparison? At all? Raji is a shorter, slower, fatter, shorter armed version of a squattier, bigger assed version of Ted Washington at the very best.

Chiefnj2
04-05-2009, 06:28 AM
Here ya go...


“Neither the 32 clubs nor the league office know the results of drug or steroid tests taken at the 2009 Combine. The independent medical advisors who administer the tests have notified in writing those players and only those players who tested positive at the Combine. Unfortunately, rumors about draft eligible players, including rumors about test results, begin to circulate every year at this time. Many of these rumors are circulated for self-serving reasons and they are terribly unfair to the players and their families.”

You think the NFL teams and league are NOT advised of positive drug tests at the combine?

milkman
04-05-2009, 07:43 AM
You think the NFL teams and league are NOT advised of positive drug tests at the combine?

The clubs get advised.

The players themselves are just informed of the results before the results are released to the clubs.

BigChiefFan
04-05-2009, 02:03 PM
You think the NFL teams and league are NOT advised of positive drug tests at the combine?That's not my words, that's why it's quoted, but referred to it because I thought it gave a pretty clear understanding of transpired.

What I'm getting at is, when the report about Raji, Cushing,etc. failing drug tests, came out, it was/is BOGUS.

bowener
04-05-2009, 02:20 PM
I can easily see us taking Curry just because he can apparently play any LB position in a 3-4 or 4-3.... if that is true I can see Pioli take him based on talent and versatility; it would also make sense based on our 4-3/3-4 D.

I think I would rather go ahead and take Raji though. He seems like a more difficult player/position to fill.

Orakpo is not going to be a game changing DE or star in the NFL most likely. For his sake I hope I have to eat my own words, but the guy is not as quick as Brown off the line and has never covered anyone

I'd rather we trade our #3 overall to the Cardinals for Boldin and their 31 pick than take Orakpo.

SNR
04-05-2009, 03:43 PM
I can easily see us taking Curry just because he can apparently play any LB position in a 3-4 or 4-3.... if that is true I can see Pioli take him based on talent and versatility; it would also make sense based on our 4-3/3-4 D.

I think I would rather go ahead and take Raji though. He seems like a more difficult player/position to fill.

Orakpo is not going to be a game changing DE or star in the NFL most likely. For his sake I hope I have to eat my own words, but the guy is not as quick as Brown off the line and has never covered anyone

I'd rather we trade our #3 overall to the Cardinals for Boldin and their 31 pick than take Orakpo.What do the Cardinals want at #3 overall?

bowener
04-05-2009, 11:11 PM
What do the Cardinals want at #3 overall?

Nobody that I know of, just stating something that I really would not care to do. Maybe they want Curry??

SNR
04-06-2009, 06:24 PM
Nobody that I know of, just stating something that I really would not care to do. Maybe they want Curry??Absolutely. The fact that there are Chiefs fans that would like to ship the pick off to Denver, of all teams, just so they can get out of this valueless hole shows how terrible the Chiefs planned out the value of their first rounder.

htismaqe
04-07-2009, 08:42 AM
Well, the latest on the supposed failed drug test probably puts Raji back into the top 10, but I think I've eliminated him from my draft board.

Too many question marks.

KChiefs1
04-11-2009, 10:43 PM
with everything the Chiefs have done by signing all of these LB's...I'm thinking that BJ Raji will be a Chief on draft day.

The Bad Guy
04-11-2009, 10:48 PM
Well, the latest on the supposed failed drug test probably puts Raji back into the top 10, but I think I've eliminated him from my draft board.

Too many question marks.

100% agree.

This team can't whif on this pick, and I think the likelyhood of Raji becoming completely complacent when he gets his money is very high.

Mecca
04-11-2009, 10:52 PM
There are some people who would never take a DT high because it's a "Lunchbucket" type of position...

But honestly I'm not sure what other option there is, if we have no one to play nose we're just gonna get killed.

The Bad Guy
04-11-2009, 10:55 PM
There are some people who would never take a DT high because it's a "Lunchbucket" type of position...

But honestly I'm not sure what other option there is, if we have no one to play nose we're just gonna get killed.

There are other NT's in this draft besides Raji. Draft a fatbody later.

I'm just really against taking him at 3.

Mecca
04-11-2009, 10:57 PM
If they don't trade down at stay at 3 he makes the most logical sense.

Direckshun
04-12-2009, 12:09 AM
I am soooooo gunning for Raji.

This team could use a BJ.

KCrockaholic
04-12-2009, 12:14 AM
There are other NT's in this draft besides Raji. Draft a fatbody later.

I'm just really against taking him at 3.

To be fair there arent many NT's in this draft class but Im not sure who said Raji could even play NT? Just because hes wide doesnt mean he can take up 2 lineman at a time and be successful at it. He had Ron Brace playing next to him at BC to help take pressure off Raji. Raji looks the part of NT. But hes never really played it as far as I know.

I actually think Brace would make a better NT than Raji if we are just going to base this off of size.

Direckshun
04-12-2009, 12:15 AM
You don't have to reinvent the wheel for DL.

If he fits the profile, you can get him to play the position.

Saccopoo
04-12-2009, 12:22 AM
If they don't trade down at stay at 3 he makes the most logical sense.

More than Curry? More than a guy like Orakpo, who is a legit ROLB pass rusher in a 3-4 with size, speed and strength? Isn't this the same argument? Raji is a 4-3 college defensive tackle (who has stumpy arms and is short for that position, particularly in a 3-4). Curry is a 4-3 OLB. But it's okay for Raji to go at the #3, but people have a conniption about Curry or Orakpo or even a guy like Crabtree.

Look, I know that for whatever strange, befuddling reason, people are all up in arms against a guy like Orakpo (and I think that the Chiefs could probably use an edge rusher who can play in the 3-4) or Curry (who can, as of right now, play any of the LB positions, other than the continually raised "he never continually rushed the passer all game long in college so he musn't be able to do it" argument), but are willing to accept a guy like Raji who hasn't played NT in a 3-4, has repeated "problems" in terms of decision making, and has physical limitations in terms of what is considered "prototype" for a 3-4 NT?

Raji would have to be considered a major reach at the #3 spot, and if getting drafted by a team that wants to run a 3-4 defense, would have to be considered a major project, especially versus instant production plug-in guys like the aforementioned Curry, Orakpo or Crabtree. (Or god forbid one of the excellent tackle prospects in this draft.)

I'm not totally discounting a potential pick of Raji by the Chiefs at the #3 position, other than they spent that pick on the same player last year, and that Dorsey was, by all accounts, a more dynamic force at the one-gap DT spot, which is what they both played in college. So why draft another guy who is basically the same player/played the same position, but not as good, as the guy we got with the #5 pick last year?

I mean, if they wanted a potential 3-4 NT, I think that Raji's teammate Ron Brace would have a little better potential at that position than Raji based on his physical attributes alone, and there is the possibility that he'd be around when the Chiefs select at the top of the third.

I just fail to see the logic.

Mecca
04-13-2009, 01:19 AM
My logic on Brian Orakpo is I think he fucking blows.

Chiefnj2
04-13-2009, 07:19 AM
The more I think about Raji, I'd say no way to using a top 10 pick on the kid. Too many character concerns.

From cbssportsline.com

Character: Raji has finally bought into the program. He comes from a supportive family (both parents are pastors), but his academic problems and lack of work ethic in the past will raise a few red flags. He was suspended for part of a game in 2006 (vs. Clemson) for fighting vs. Central Michigan. The previous coaching staff felt that he was the laziest player on the team, but a year away from the game gave him renewed motivation. Still, you have to wonder if it was to impress the NFL teams or that he finally realized he needs to step it up on and off the field. GRADE: 5.3

Competitiveness: He is a solid competitor who plays with improved aggression, but you would like him to be a little more physical in his play. He can dominate the action in the trenches and never takes plays off. He relies a lot on his quickness and hand usage to finesse blockers and makes every effort to get to the ball, but for a player of his size he should be mauling blockers more often. The staff felt that it needed to motivate him constantly in practices, politely calling him a "game" player. GRADE: 6.0

Work Habits: Raji will never be called a hard worker in the weight room or practices. He is not the type that needs to be pushed to get the best effort out of him, as he is not a self-starter. He is a good field presence who lets his actions speak louder than his words, but not the example you want for being a mentor for the team's younger players. GRADE: 5.0

Buehler445
04-13-2009, 09:18 AM
Gah, I just don't like anyone at 3.

I do think raji has flags, but I'm at a loss of what else to do.

I am genuinely not comfortable paying anyone at the top that type of jack.

I should probably shut my trap. I didn't want any part of Matt Ryan last year and was fully in the Dorsey camp (though the jury is still out on him).

I just don't see anyone up there, save maybe Sanchez (which is wildly risky also with 1 year), that I want to pay that much jack.
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htismaqe
04-13-2009, 09:40 AM
Gah, I just don't like anyone at 3.

I do think raji has flags, but I'm at a loss of what else to do.

I am genuinely not comfortable paying anyone at the top that type of jack.

I should probably shut my trap. I didn't want any part of Matt Ryan last year and was fully in the Dorsey camp (though the jury is still out on him).

I just don't see anyone up there, save maybe Sanchez (which is wildly risky also with 1 year), that I want to pay that much jack.

ROFL

I'm right there with you. :thumb: