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mlyonsd
04-06-2009, 06:49 PM
My 8th grade son was picked student of the month.

He's one of those borderline genius kids, can read and work through anything they throw at him in school. State science fair winner, etc. When he was 5 he told me out of the blue, if A equals 1, and B equals 2, then C must equal 3.

Anyway, he had to fill out a questionaire for the local paper which they will use to write an article about him. One of the questions was who are two of your role models. He thought about it for a long time and I didn't give him any suggestions.

He just told me he put down FDR and Jimmy Carter.

I bit my tongue and only told him his 79 year old Scottish grandmother will probably have a heart attack when she reads that.

BucEyedPea
04-06-2009, 06:51 PM
My 8th grade son was picked student of the month.

He's one of those borderline genius kids, can read and work through anything they throw at him in school. State science fair winner, etc. When he was 5 he told me out of the blue, if A equals 1, and B equals 2, then C must equal 3.

Anyway, he had to fill out a questionaire for the local paper which they will use to write an article about him. One of the questions was who are two of your role models. He thought about it for a long time and I didn't give him any suggestions.

He just told me he put down FDR and Jimmy Carter.

I bit my tongue and only told him his 79 year old Scottish grandmother will probably have a heart attack when she reads that.

He must be in a govt school?

wild1
04-06-2009, 06:51 PM
I wonder what they are teaching about Carter in school these days.

On second thought, maybe I don't want to know.

mlyonsd
04-06-2009, 06:54 PM
He must be in a govt school?

Heh, believe me the thought went through my mind as well.

BucEyedPea
04-06-2009, 06:55 PM
I wonder what they are teaching about Carter in school these days.

On second thought, maybe I don't want to know.

My kid would never answer that. In fact she told me a few weeks ago, on her own origination what the cause of the financial crises was. She nailed it. But I put her in a private school so she wouldn't be socially engineered into a flaming socialist. And she even won the Presidential Award for Academic Excellence 3x,a science fair award, several art awards and has a 96 grade average.

I'm proud of my little patriot most of all though.
She's reading the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence now.

SBK
04-06-2009, 06:55 PM
Public Schools.

stevieray
04-06-2009, 07:05 PM
My dad is my biggest______

have him fill in the blank...

BucEyedPea
04-06-2009, 07:07 PM
Pick up the book Whatever Happened to Penny Candy. It comes with a work book. It's available several places. Amazon, Mises, Blue Stocking Press.com—which also has capitalism for kids and other books to help them understand how a free-enterprise system works.

People who even went on to finance careers claim they started with that book to understand economics. It's 8th grade level but even HS'ers can read it. It's a good basic introduction. Make sure he looks up the terminology....it's very key.

http://www.bluestockingpress.com/whatever-happened-penny-candy.htm

banyon
04-06-2009, 07:10 PM
Kids should not be indoctrinated in economic philosophies before jr or sr year of high school. It helps if they have had to earn some money first.

i'm not shocked at all with BEP's recommendation of some child brainwashing pop up book.

mlyonsd
04-06-2009, 07:12 PM
My dad is my biggest______

have him fill in the blank...

Heh, he's 13 so what do you do? Other than he's scheduled for driver's ed in May and I'm thinking of telling him he's going to ride the bus all next year. :)

stevieray
04-06-2009, 07:12 PM
Heh, he's 13 so what do you do? Other than he's scheduled for driver's ed in May and I'm thinking of telling him he's going to ride the bus all next year. :)

did you ask him?

Reaper16
04-06-2009, 07:15 PM
Your kid sounds awesome.

mlyonsd
04-06-2009, 07:17 PM
did you ask him?

Did I ask him what? Why he made his dad go to the garage and cry? ROFL

stevieray
04-06-2009, 07:20 PM
Did I ask him what? Why he made his dad go to the garage and cry? ROFL

LOL ...


no, to fill in the blank

mlyonsd
04-06-2009, 07:28 PM
LOL ...


no, to fill in the blank

My dad is my biggest______



I'm afraid to ask him. I WILL end up crying in the garage. But seriously we have one of those conservative relationships where if I made him fill in that blank he'd come up with more than one answer that rhymes with a$$.

Maybe you can ask him at a Chief's game this year. My boycott is about to end.

stevieray
04-06-2009, 07:30 PM
My dad is my biggest______



I'm afraid to ask him. I WILL end up crying in the garage. But seriously we have one of those conservative relationships where if I made him fill in that blank he'd come up with more than one answer that rhymes with a$$.

Maybe you can ask him at a Chief's game this year.

bawk! bawk!

Oh, I'll ask him..you can bet your blvd wheat I will...

Direckshun
04-06-2009, 07:36 PM
I can't tell if the disappointment in this thread is real or feigned.

mlyonsd
04-06-2009, 07:36 PM
bawk! bawk!

Oh, I'll ask him..you can bet your blvd wheat I will...

He'll be tongue tied thinking I know the Elvis guy they show on tv every Chief game.

mlyonsd
04-06-2009, 07:38 PM
I can't tell if the disappointment in this thread is real or feigned.

Of course it's feigned. I'm glad he can think for himself and not let my bias alter his thoughts.

stevieray
04-06-2009, 07:40 PM
He'll be tongue tied thinking I know the Elvis guy they show on tv every Chief game.

pfffft...I'll bribe him with one my rings.....

Sully
04-06-2009, 07:41 PM
FDR is a legit idea.
But Jimmy Carter? What are they teaching about Carter? Is that just the last pres he learned about?

Pitt Gorilla
04-06-2009, 07:43 PM
My 8th grade son was picked student of the month.

He's one of those borderline genius kids, can read and work through anything they throw at him in school. State science fair winner, etc. When he was 5 he told me out of the blue, if A equals 1, and B equals 2, then C must equal 3.

Anyway, he had to fill out a questionaire for the local paper which they will use to write an article about him. One of the questions was who are two of your role models. He thought about it for a long time and I didn't give him any suggestions.

He just told me he put down FDR and Jimmy Carter.

I bit my tongue and only told him his 79 year old Scottish grandmother will probably have a heart attack when she reads that.Was he assuming that the relationship was A+B=C, or something isomorphic to that operation?

dirk digler
04-06-2009, 07:44 PM
We already knew so why start a thread? :D

mlyonsd
04-06-2009, 07:45 PM
pfffft...I'll bribe him with one my rings.....

He does have one of my traits....if someone wants to push him out of his comfort zone he'll ask how much he can get for doing it.

stevieray
04-06-2009, 07:47 PM
He does have one of my traits....if someone wants to push him out of his comfort zone he'll ask how much he can get for doing it.

:clap:

BucEyedPea
04-06-2009, 07:50 PM
Of course it's feigned. I'm glad he can think for himself and not let my bias alter his thoughts.

But is he? Or is his head just being filled by someone else?

mlyonsd
04-06-2009, 07:51 PM
Was he assuming that the relationship was A+B=C, or something isomorphic to that operation?

I think a combination. At the time I considered it inventing algebra in his own head.

But who really watches Barney enough to really know what that grape lizard is putting into their heads?

Pitt Gorilla
04-06-2009, 07:53 PM
I think a combination. At the time I considered it inventing algebra in his own head.

But who really watches Barney enough to really know what that grape lizard is putting into their heads?Good point; however, you might want to let him know that it's not true, in general. :D

(Kids are awesome.)

mlyonsd
04-06-2009, 07:56 PM
FDR is a legit idea.
But Jimmy Carter? What are they teaching about Carter? Is that just the last pres he learned about?

I've tried to tell him without Reagan doing his WWII movies we'd never have won the war but I don't think he buys it.

I did ask him about Carter and his response satisfied me. He said he likes Carter because of all the work he does with Habitat for Humanity.

I told him he should make the paper put that into the article just so his Grandma doesn't buy the farm when she reads it.

BucEyedPea
04-06-2009, 07:56 PM
I think a combination. At the time I considered it inventing algebra in his own head.

But who really watches Barney enough to really know what that grape lizard is putting into their heads?

I think kids are in touch with a certain logic. I think his conclusion that C=3 is just a logical inference from A being first, B being second.
Also, like when they say something pretty astute about adult inconsistencies etc. Things are simpler. He'll love Penny Candy.

Jenson71
04-06-2009, 08:09 PM
Well, yeah, Jimmy Carter was and still is a pretty good person. FDR was flawed, but a great leader who cared for the common man over the interests of the elite few. Not terrible role models, but Lincoln, Jesus, Jenson71, and Saint Ignatius of Loyola are all better picks.

Sully
04-06-2009, 08:15 PM
I did ask him about Carter and his response satisfied me. He said he likes Carter because of all the work he does with Habitat for Humanity.



That's fair.

mlyonsd
04-06-2009, 08:18 PM
Well, yeah, Jimmy Carter was and still is a pretty good person. FDR was flawed, but a great leader who cared for the common man over the interests of the elite few. Not terrible role models, but Lincoln, Jesus, Jenson71, and Saint Ignatius of Loyola are all better picks.

He's a big WWII buff and just knows FDR for his leadership skills. Most of that is media generated from the time and I only point out his flaws when asked.

He gets Carter because of all the work I do with neighbors and friends that need a roof put on, siding, cement work, or any other things they wouldn't do unless a group of us would pitch in and do it ourselves.

I'm glad he can look at people for their strengths and not dwell on their weaknesses.

HonestChieffan
04-06-2009, 08:19 PM
Sounds like a good kid.

VAChief
04-06-2009, 08:20 PM
I've tried to tell him without Reagan doing his WWII movies we'd never have won the war but I don't think he buys it.


ROFL That was a good one. Rep.

Seriously, your son sounds like a fine young man with a strong identity. You should be proud.

wild1
04-06-2009, 08:20 PM
i think if high school students read 'rich dad, poor dad' it would be a good idea.

i have noticed people in the media trying to rehab carter's rep, and maybe by 2012 he won't look so bad... but sheesh.

KC native
04-06-2009, 08:21 PM
Pick up the book Whatever Happened to Penny Candy. It comes with a work book. It's available several places. Amazon, Mises, Blue Stocking Press.com—which also has capitalism for kids and other books to help them understand how a free-enterprise system works.

People who even went on to finance careers claim they started with that book to understand economics. It's 8th grade level but even HS'ers can read it. It's a good basic introduction. Make sure he looks up the terminology....it's very key.

http://www.bluestockingpress.com/whatever-happened-penny-candy.htm

ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL
Show me one successful finance person that started their career with this book. You are such a joke. Just a quick review of the table of contents and appendix and I can already tell it's a horrible book.

Table of Contents for Whatever Happened to Penny Candy?
(NOTE: Bolded titles are for older students; nonbolded items are for all students)

Study Guide Available
Preface
Note to Reader
A Note About Economics

Smart
1. Money: Coins and Paper
2. Tanstaafl, The Romans, and Us
3. Inflation
4. Dollars, Money, and Legal Tender
5. Revolutions, Elections, and Printing Presses
6. Wages, Prices, Spirals, and Controls
7. Wallpaper, Wheelbarrows, and Recessions
Boom and Bust Cycle Since the Civil War
8. Fast Money
History Repeats
9. Getting Rich Quick
10. The Boom and Bust Cycle
11. How Much is a Trillion?
The Roaring 90s
Federal Debt Chart
12. What's So Bad About the Federal Debt?
An Interesting Exercise
One Reason Governments Spend So Much
13. Summary
14. Where Do We Go From Here?
15. Natural Law and Economic Prosperity
Nations and Legal Systems

Appendix
Excerpt from The Long Winter
Sutter's Fort Trade Store Sign
Cartoon
Supply of Dollars Chart
Real Wages Chart
Quotes
Median Income Chart
The Oil Myth
How to Invest in Gold and Silver
Measures of Money Supply
The Truth About Inflation
Real Investment Value
Resources
Movies and Documentaries
Internet Addresses especially for Young People
Internet Addresses
Financial Newsletters (contact info)
Book Suppliers
Distilled Wisdom
Bibliography
Glossary
Spreading the Word
Educators and Parents
Answers to Exercises for Real Investment Value
About Richard J. Maybury
Capitalism for Kidsexcerpt



so after looking at the table of contents I decided to go to amazon and check out what other people had to say. There are 16 reviews most of them glowing praise but they are from home schoolers and people who didn't understand economics. Checking out the professional review that Amazon had was very enlightening.

From School Library Journal
Grade 8-10-- Maybury has used a series of letters as a clever technique to present some basic economics lessons. In brief chapters, the breezy text explains terms such as recession, inflation, money, the wage/price spiral, and Gresham's Law. But the book lacks thoughtful analysis. Reminiscent of many letters to the editor, Maybury's style of economic reasoning is simplistic and biased against government. The reason big corporations can't buy better tools, he asserts, is that they must "pay so many taxes that they don't have enough money left over." In another passage, government is blamed for "taking money from others." (Civic responsibility and government services are not a part of the author's vocabulary.) He does nothing to promote global understanding by his references to the reliability of money in Chile, Mexico, and Argentina: "I would not like to live there." A caution against blaming others for inflation and recession is followed by an explanation of the role of Jews in Europe before World War I: "Compared to everyone else they were wealthy." A section of the book is devoted to disconnected miscellanea, out-of-context quotations, and a rather subjective list of resources. There are also advertisements for the author's writings, including a financial newsletter for $149. For economic principles, one should look instead to materials published by the Joint Council on Economic Education or Lerner's "Economics for Today" series. --Miriam Hansen, Indianhead Federated Lib . System, Eau Claire, WI
Copyright 1991 Reed Business Information, Inc. --This text refers to an out of print or unavailable edition of this title.

ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL

RedNeckRaider
04-06-2009, 08:24 PM
I wonder what they are teaching about Carter in school these days.

On second thought, maybe I don't want to know.
Time has given his image a makeover I guess.

BucEyedPea
04-06-2009, 08:41 PM
i think if high school students read 'rich dad, poor dad' it would be a good idea.

i have noticed people in the media trying to rehab carter's rep, and maybe by 2012 he won't look so bad... but sheesh.

That's another terrific one.

banyon
04-06-2009, 08:42 PM
How about they read "hop on pop" and figure it out when they have their own personality?

BucEyedPea
04-06-2009, 08:48 PM
Here's a review by a PHD student in Economics. It's written for kids bear in mind and helps them understand free enterprise. It doesn't mean they get a finance degree. It just sparked one guys' interest who went into that. Communists and capitalist haters hate it, naturally. But that's even more reason to get it. One's critics are a signal.

BucEyedPea
04-06-2009, 08:51 PM
Time has given his image a makeover I guess.

Well, even the Austrian economists give him some credit. Like his starting the deregulation process that cured the energy crisis when his peers wanted to nationalize it. ( Kennedy).

KC native
04-06-2009, 08:57 PM
Here's a review by a PHD student in Economics. It's written for kids bear in mind and helps them understand free enterprise. Communists and capitalist haters hate it, naturally. But that's even more reason to get it. One's critics are a signal.

ROFLROFLROFLROFL

That's a stellar review. No analysis of what was written. No comments on the style. Just a simple I was lied to, this is a good book, and I'm an economics student. ROFLROFL

SNR
04-06-2009, 09:08 PM
Your kid likes FDR? I'd be worried. Ask him what he thinks of Japanese people.

Iowanian
04-06-2009, 10:06 PM
Relax.

He just really, really likes peanut butter.

BucEyedPea
04-06-2009, 10:35 PM
Relax.

He just really, really likes peanut butter.

He ran his peanut farm into the ground.

Ultra Peanut
04-06-2009, 11:16 PM
Your child is smarter than you. Good job.

Guru
04-06-2009, 11:22 PM
My 8th grade son was picked student of the month.

He's one of those borderline genius kids, can read and work through anything they throw at him in school. State science fair winner, etc. When he was 5 he told me out of the blue, if A equals 1, and B equals 2, then C must equal 3.

Anyway, he had to fill out a questionaire for the local paper which they will use to write an article about him. One of the questions was who are two of your role models. He thought about it for a long time and I didn't give him any suggestions.

He just told me he put down FDR and Jimmy Carter.

I bit my tongue and only told him his 79 year old Scottish grandmother will probably have a heart attack when she reads that.OUCH Pull him out of that school now!!!

BucEyedPea
04-07-2009, 06:17 AM
You're going to have to do something to introduce your son to other presidents that supported free enterprise mylonsd. Or tell him yourself about them.

Chief Henry
04-07-2009, 08:48 AM
Did you ask him why those two men are so inspirational to him ? I'd like to hear about his response.

patteeu
04-07-2009, 08:52 AM
First of all, congratulations to your kid for having a brain that functions at a high level. :thumb:

Second, shame on you for your negligence on what it's being filled with. I think that no less a conservative than Ronald Reagan held FDR in pretty high regard, but Jimmy Carter? :p

Stinger
04-07-2009, 08:58 AM
Wow over 50 replies and no antifreeze reference. :shake: This place is slipping.






:D

Just kidding mlyonsd sound like a great kid congrats to you and the wife.

patteeu
04-07-2009, 09:02 AM
Relax.

He just really, really likes peanut butter.

Better that, at his age, than Billy Beer or demoralizing the country.

http://bloodthirstyliberal.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/19.jpg

mlyonsd
04-07-2009, 09:12 AM
Did you ask him why those two men are so inspirational to him ? I'd like to hear about his response.

He's a big WWII buff. He's even been to Normandy. I think the media from that time period highlighted FDR's leadership qualities.

Carter is the one that surprised me. He told me he chose Carter because of his work with Habitat for Humanity. I can live with that.

BucEyedPea
04-07-2009, 02:30 PM
Carter is the one that surprised me. He told me he chose Carter because of his work with Habitat for Humanity. I can live with that.

Carter as the private man is and always was a good man. I don't know if his being a president has anything to do with HforH. I'd say Jimmy's just being a good Christian here.

Chief Henry
04-07-2009, 03:02 PM
He's a big WWII buff. He's even been to Normandy. I think the media from that time period highlighted FDR's leadership qualities.

Carter is the one that surprised me. He told me he chose Carter because of his work with Habitat for Humanity. I can live with that.

That explains it. Now he needs to learn some qualities of Reagan.