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Amnorix
04-08-2009, 08:05 AM
In the thread regarding favorite war movies, we've had a minor disagreement over whether Casablanca is properly categorized as a war movie. We all recognize, of course, that Casablanca is set during wartime, and that the main protagonists etc. are carrying out their activities because of the war.

In any event -- a simple and silly poll -- would you call Casablanca a "war" movie or not.

keg in kc
04-08-2009, 08:08 AM
It's impossible for me to answer that question without a more solid definition of what a "war movie" is.

Amnorix
04-08-2009, 08:12 AM
It's impossible for me to answer that question without a more solid definition of what a "war movie" is.

That's kind of the question to begin with -- what do you think of when someone says "war movie"< and whether Casablance fits in that definition.

Or are you just pulling a Bill Clinton on me? :D

jidar
04-08-2009, 08:13 AM
Yeah. I think the perception is that it's just a romance, but it's clearly a war movie as well. Hell, how could it not be a war movie when the motivations of nearly ever character are directly influenced by the war.

Katipan
04-08-2009, 08:13 AM
It's a chick flick that dudes can watch.

jidar
04-08-2009, 08:14 AM
That's kind of the question to begin with -- what do you think of when someone says "war movie"< and whether Casablance fits in that definition.

Or are you just pulling a Bill Clinton on me? :D

Hrm... well when you put it that way. I honestly don't immediately think of Cassablanca when someone asks me to name great war movies. So I guess maybe it's not really?

InChiefsHell
04-08-2009, 08:14 AM
I'd have to say no. It took place in war time, and had references and such, but there was no fighting, no bombs. You gotta have soldiers fighting and bombs in order for it to be called a war movie, don't you? I'm trying to think of another example...how about A League of their own?

jidar
04-08-2009, 08:16 AM
I'd have to say no. It took place in war time, and had references and such, but there was no fighting, no bombs. You gotta have soldiers fighting and bombs in order for it to be called a war movie, don't you? I'm trying to think of another example...how about A League of their own?

There was fighting, plenty of it.

ziggysocki
04-08-2009, 08:17 AM
no. I don't remember anyone storming a beach, clearing a tunnel, getting sniped in the street or holding a dying buddy. Definitely not a war movie. Just a chick flick set in wartime.

jidar
04-08-2009, 08:19 AM
no. I don't remember anyone storming a beach, clearing a tunnel, getting sniped in the street or holding a dying buddy. Definitely not a war movie. Just a chick flick set in wartime.

Yeah but they had Nazis shooting people and shit? I mean Schindlers list is a war movie.

Amnorix
04-08-2009, 08:22 AM
There was fighting, plenty of it.

There was SHOOTING, not fighting.

There's more shots fired in the one scene of Godfather when Sonny gets mowed down than in the entire movie.

And only one guy wearing a uniform gets shot -- Strasser at the end.

Amnorix
04-08-2009, 08:23 AM
Yeah but they had Nazis shooting people and shit? I mean Schindlers list is a war movie.

I'd agree on Schindler's List being a war movie.

keg in kc
04-08-2009, 08:23 AM
It's more of a romance than a war movie, I think, but 'war movie' can cover such a wide swath of films it's hard to say. I mean, shit, you have movies with Abbot and Costello and the Three Stooges in the army. There should probably be sub-genre classifications.

bdeg
04-08-2009, 08:24 AM
Yeah. I think the perception is that it's just a romance, but it's clearly a war movie as well. Hell, how could it not be a war movie when the motivations of nearly ever character are directly influenced by the war.

So what, it's a drama rooted in war. That does not make it an action-packed, violent war movie. A war movie involves lots of combat.

ziggysocki
04-08-2009, 08:25 AM
Schindlers List is a holocaust movie. Another set in wartime, but the concentration camps/persecution of the Jews were really the central theme. Same with Casablanca war was huge influence on the charachters and plot, but it was not a movie about "fighting a war"

Katipan
04-08-2009, 08:26 AM
So what, it's a drama rooted in war. That does not make it an action-packed, violent war movie. A war movie involves lots of combat.

So the M*A*S*H movie wasn't a war movie?

ziggysocki
04-08-2009, 08:26 AM
I see "war movie" as a movie about combatants engaging in war.

Katipan
04-08-2009, 08:27 AM
Gone with the Wind?

bdeg
04-08-2009, 08:28 AM
So the M*A*S*H movie wasn't a war movie?Never seen it, or a full episode of the show. But judging by my impression, no. More of a war-comedy.

ziggysocki
04-08-2009, 08:30 AM
So the M*A*S*H movie wasn't a war movie?

Nope, MASH was a Dr. Movie set in war. Being set in wartime does not a "war movie" make.

Frazod
04-08-2009, 08:45 AM
No, there's no war in it. Duh.

Katipan
04-08-2009, 08:47 AM
Pirates of the Caribbean - At World's End?

bdeg
04-08-2009, 08:51 AM
Pirates of the Caribbean - At World's End?

Close, but too much fantastical story for it to be a true war movie if you ask me.

Chief Chief
04-08-2009, 09:16 AM
"Casablanca" is a war movie just as much as it's a musical. Very comparable to "The Producers"...but just a little short on the comedy side of the latter. (and a-one and a-two: Springtime for Hitler and Germany...)

Miles
04-08-2009, 09:28 AM
No. If Casablanca is a war movie then so are Raiders of the Lost Ark and The Good the Bad and the Ugly.

Fire Me Boy!
04-08-2009, 10:18 AM
As my argument in the other thread, the ENTIRE film is predicated on World War 2. Nothing in that movie takes place without the war.

But clearly, I don't necessarily believe that a "war movie" has to be all action and fighting and blowing shit up.

kc rush
04-08-2009, 10:33 AM
Does this mean that The Great Escape isn't a war movie now?

FWIW, I would tend to categorize Casablanca as a romance set during a time of war and affected by those events.

Fire Me Boy!
04-08-2009, 10:40 AM
Does this mean that The Great Escape isn't a war movie now?

FWIW, I would tend to categorize Casablanca as a romance set during a time of war and affected by those events.

I just have a problem with saying a movie can only have one genre. I'd agree 100 percent that Casablanca is not primarily a war movie.

Why can't it be a romance, a drama AND a war movie? Would anyone here call it a 'war drama'?

In which case, if it's a 'war drama', how is that not by very definition a war movie?

Katipan
04-08-2009, 10:42 AM
I dunno but apparently a War Comedy isn't, so take that.

kysirsoze
04-08-2009, 10:42 AM
As my argument in the other thread, the ENTIRE film is predicated on World War 2. Nothing in that movie takes place without the war.

But clearly, I don't necessarily believe that a "war movie" has to be all action and fighting and blowing shit up.

I would agree that war movies don't have to have a ton of action and explosions, but I DO think that the main characters need to be military personel and the action should primarily take place in a warzone. This is why M*A*S*H* is a war movie while Casablanca is not. Schindler's list isn't a war movie either, since the action centers around mass-genocide not war.

League of Their OwnROFL

Donger
04-08-2009, 10:43 AM
I've never seen it, but I wouldn't think it qualifies. Sort of like Catch-22.

kysirsoze
04-08-2009, 10:45 AM
Does this mean that The Great Escape isn't a war movie now?

FWIW, I would tend to categorize Casablanca as a romance set during a time of war and affected by those events.

The Great Escape is ABSOLUTELY a war movie. Soldiers in enemy territory during wartime. Trying to escape is their way of fighting.

I haven't watched that movie in years... I need to rent that.

Fire Me Boy!
04-08-2009, 11:01 AM
I would agree that war movies don't have to have a ton of action and explosions, but I DO think that the main characters need to be military personel and the action should primarily take place in a warzone. This is why M*A*S*H* is a war movie while Casablanca is not. Schindler's list isn't a war movie either, since the action centers around mass-genocide not war.

League of Their OwnROFL

I couldn't disagree with you more about Schindler's List. This opinion alone completely invalidates any opinion you have on any movie again. EVAR.

kc rush
04-08-2009, 11:12 AM
The Great Escape is ABSOLUTELY a war movie. Soldiers in enemy territory during wartime. Trying to escape is their way of fighting.

I haven't watched that movie in years... I need to rent that.

I agree. I was just laughing at the distinct categories some people were putting things in - We could call it a prison movie set during the war where all of the prisoners happen to be allied military trying to escape, but because they aren't really shooting at each other or blowing things up it can't be considered a war film.

I love that movie and can easily get lost in it. A few months ago it came on TV and I couldn't stop watching even though I've seen it a million times. I didn't get to bed until around 2 that night and had to get up early the next morning.

Dartgod
04-08-2009, 11:16 AM
Never seen it.

Shag
04-08-2009, 11:25 AM
I couldn't disagree with you more about Schindler's List. This opinion alone completely invalidates any opinion you have on any movie again. EVAR.

So, because he doesn't feel SL is a war movie, his movie opinions are invalidated? Nice...

I wouldn't call Schindler's List a war movie, either. Being set in wartime or predicated by war doesn't make it a war movie, IMHO. To me, a war movie is about war.

Saving Private Ryan, Band of Brothers, etc = war movies
Schindler's List, Casablanca, etc = wartime movies

Big difference, in my mind...

Fire Me Boy!
04-08-2009, 11:30 AM
So, because he doesn't feel SL is a war movie, his movie opinions are invalidated? Nice...

I wouldn't call Schindler's List a war movie, either. Being set in wartime or predicated by war doesn't make it a war movie, IMHO. To me, a war movie is about war.

Saving Private Ryan, Band of Brothers, etc = war movies
Schindler's List, Casablanca, etc = wartime movies

Big difference, in my mind...

I thought the "EVAR" at the end would indicate a joke. Apparently not.

I can at least understand the argument over Casablanca. But Schindler's List? It is ABOUT war, specifically the atrocity of war.

Just for comparison:

Moviefone puts SL as #11 on the best war movies | http://www.moviefone.com/insidemovies/2007/03/07/best-war-movies/

IMDB puts it as #1 | http://www.imdb.com/chart/war

Amnorix
04-08-2009, 11:35 AM
Pirates of the Caribbean - At World's End?

What? Heck no.

Shag
04-08-2009, 11:40 AM
I thought the "EVAR" at the end would indicate a joke. Apparently not.

I can at least understand the argument over Casablanca. But Schindler's List? It is ABOUT war, specifically the atrocity of war.

Just for comparison:

Moviefone puts SL as #11 on the best war movies | http://www.moviefone.com/insidemovies/2007/03/07/best-war-movies/

IMDB puts it as #1 | http://www.imdb.com/chart/war


I guess my sarcasm meter is broken. Sorry. :redface:

I see SL as being about the Holocaust, not about war. I don't really view the Holocaust as an atrocity of war, either, as it's beginnings predated the war, and the war wasn't the impetus to persecution.

It's obviously subjective - SL just doesn't fit my definition of a war movie...

crazycoffey
04-08-2009, 11:45 AM
So the M*A*S*H movie wasn't a war movie?


comedy, but set in a war theatre, so it is more so than cassablanca

Katipan
04-08-2009, 11:53 AM
What? Heck no.

K. Why?

crazycoffey
04-08-2009, 11:59 AM
pirates is more war movie than cassablanca....

just not a "sanctified american war", I guess.

Amnorix
04-08-2009, 12:03 PM
K. Why?

Among other things, I think a true war movie needs to at least try to resemble an actual historical event. Even if you're just using it as a pretext for a plot that isn't true.

Otherwise any movie with any kind of large scale combat becomes a "war movie". Lord of the Rings or Eragon or Star Wars.

Amnorix
04-08-2009, 12:07 PM
It takes more than combat to be a war movie. You need the right context as well, or else it's probably going to slip into some other type of classification.

War movies should have some pretext of falling within the general concept of "history".

A futuristic "war movie", such as say Independence Day, to me is Science Fiction, not a war movie, even though it has jet planes and soldiers and fighters and the military and the government and all that.

A movie I find harder to categorize is Dr. Strangelove. If it's not a war movie, it's darn close. Similar to Wargames. Not strictly what I would usually consider a war movie, but I'm not sure any other category is better, so maybe it is...

Katipan
04-08-2009, 12:08 PM
Among other things, I think a true war movie needs to at least try to resemble an actual historical event. Even if you're just using it as a pretext for a plot that isn't true.

Otherwise any movie with any kind of large scale combat becomes a "war movie". Lord of the Rings or Eragon or Star Wars.

We're still trying to oust pirates.

How about "war movies" that utterly butcher and fabricate the actual events?

Me thinks you have too many rules.

stlchiefs
04-08-2009, 12:10 PM
Being set in wartime does not a "war movie" make.

Game, Set, Match! :clap:

InChiefsHell
04-08-2009, 12:15 PM
It's like porn...you can't really define it, but you know it when you see it...:p

kysirsoze
04-08-2009, 12:52 PM
I couldn't disagree with you more about Schindler's List. This opinion alone completely invalidates any opinion you have on any movie again. EVAR.

:(I will spend the rest of my life trying to regain (gain) your respect and/or trust. :grovel:

kysirsoze
04-08-2009, 12:54 PM
I thought the "EVAR" at the end would indicate a joke. Apparently not.
I can at least understand the argument over Casablanca. But Schindler's List? It is ABOUT war, specifically the atrocity of war.

Just for comparison:

Moviefone puts SL as #11 on the best war movies | http://www.moviefone.com/insidemovies/2007/03/07/best-war-movies/

IMDB puts it as #1 | http://www.imdb.com/chart/war

:D It did.

P.S. I definitely hear the argument for Schindler's List being a war movie. It's just that it's protagonists aren't military is the thing for me. Casablanca, though, isn't even close IMO.

kysirsoze
04-08-2009, 12:55 PM
pirates is more war movie than cassablanca....

just not a "sanctified american war", I guess.

Yeah. Not enough respect has been given to those who fought and died to save the world from zombie pirates and sea monsters. :shake:

Fire Me Boy!
04-08-2009, 12:56 PM
:(I will spend the rest of my life trying to regain (gain) your respect and/or trust. :grovel:

Good luck. You've got a long way to go.

kysirsoze
04-08-2009, 12:59 PM
comedy, but set in a war theatre, so it is more so than cassablanca

MASH was comedic, but the movie had some pretty sobering moments. It is IMO clearly a war movie. Something I would add to my earlier point that these movies should have military protagonists is that the theme should be in the vicinity of war's effect on those protagonists and not something else. (genocide, love conquering all, Keith Richards on a pirate ship, etc.)

kysirsoze
04-08-2009, 01:01 PM
Good luck. You've got a long way to go.

:eek:

Sick Burn!

:Bartee:

Frazod
04-08-2009, 01:04 PM
God, I love this place. Apparently there's absolutely nothing we won't argue about. LMAO

Katipan
04-08-2009, 01:05 PM
God, I love this place. Apparently there's absolutely nothing we won't argue about. LMAO

YES THERE IS

Frazod
04-08-2009, 01:06 PM
YES THERE IS

IS NOT:mad:

kysirsoze
04-08-2009, 01:07 PM
YES THERE IS

ROFL

acesn8s
04-08-2009, 01:22 PM
Cassablanca is a war movie like Gone With the Wind is a war movie. Or Anne Frank. Stories affected by the war but not about the war itself.

Fire Me Boy!
04-08-2009, 02:01 PM
:eek:

Sick Burn!

:Bartee:

Well, you did a lot of damage with your dumbass takes on war movies.




















:p

Frazod
04-08-2009, 02:09 PM
FWIW, I don't consider Schindler's List to be a war movie, either.

Set during the war, yes. Horrible atrocities, yes. Excellent film, of course. One of the best.

But you need actual war to make a movie a war movie. Some twisted Nazi picking prisoners off with a rifle for kicks doesn't make the grade.

Mojo Jojo
04-08-2009, 02:11 PM
Cassablanca is a war movie like Gone With the Wind is a war movie. Or Anne Frank. Stories affected by the war but not about the war itself.

I would add "The Good, The Bad and The Ugly". It has scenes that deal with the Civil War, but it is in no way a "war movie."

Katipan
04-08-2009, 02:13 PM
Gone with the wind had a tremendous amount of fighting, mayhem, carnage, warfare and destruction.

And that was just the marriage. The whole Civil War part was pretty hairy too.

kysirsoze
04-08-2009, 02:19 PM
Gone with the wind had a tremendous amount of fighting, mayhem, carnage, warfare and destruction.

And that was just the marriage. The whole Civil War part was pretty hairy too.

I consider myself pretty well versed in movies, including the classics. This is GWTW, however is one I just haven't gotten up the courage to sit down and watch yet.

It just looks sooooo boring. I'll get there eventually.

Frazod
04-08-2009, 02:20 PM
Gone with the wind had a tremendous amount of fighting, mayhem, carnage, warfare and destruction.

And that was just the marriage. The whole Civil War part was pretty hairy too.

Rhett should have capped her right between the eyes. Scarlett O'Hara is the most annoying character in motion picture history. She makes Jar Jar Binks look like Butch Cassidy.

Fiddle-dee-dee THIS, BITCH. :bang:

Katipan
04-08-2009, 02:22 PM
I consider myself pretty well versed in movies, including the classics. This is GWTW, however is one I just haven't gotten up the courage to sit down and watch yet.

It just looks sooooo boring. I'll get there eventually.

You'll have more fun watching it with your girl naked.

I have to admit, I probably wouldn't have sat through the movie if it wasn't played for us in junior high. Same thing with Roots.

I adore the book tho. And the silly fluffy follow up "Scarlett."

There is plenty of manliness in the movie for you. Just maybe break it up in a couple parts.

Katipan
04-08-2009, 02:23 PM
Rhett should have capped her right between the eyes. Scarlett O'Hara is the most annoying character in motion picture history. She makes Jar Jar Binks look like Butch Cassidy.

Fiddle-dee-dee THIS, BITCH. :bang:

She's way less annoying when she grows up and takes over Ireland.

Frazod
04-08-2009, 02:27 PM
She's way less annoying when she grows up and takes over Ireland.

I must have missed that one.

crazycoffey
04-08-2009, 02:58 PM
Yeah. Not enough respect has been given to those who fought and died to save the world from zombie pirates and sea monsters. :shake:


and you have proof that this has never happened? :p

HIChief
04-08-2009, 03:04 PM
In the thread regarding favorite war movies, we've had a minor disagreement over whether Casablanca is properly categorized as a war movie. We all recognize, of course, that Casablanca is set during wartime, and that the main protagonists etc. are carrying out their activities because of the war.

In any event -- a simple and silly poll -- would you call Casablanca a "war" movie or not.

I suppose you could ask the same thing about African Queen. I'd say both are war movies. The characters' actions are all affected and motivated by war.

Amnorix
04-08-2009, 03:20 PM
I suppose you could ask the same thing about African Queen. I'd say both are war movies. The characters' actions are all affected and motivated by war.

I agree -- and I wouldn't call African Queen a war movie either.

Jenson71
04-08-2009, 03:47 PM
Nope. A war movie has to feature significant amounts of war scenes, which can include war prisons, like The Great Escape and Bridge on the River Kwai.