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ROYC75
04-08-2009, 09:34 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,513183,00.html

When are they going to get a grip of this stuff ?


White House Monitors Somali Pirate Attack on U.S.-Flagged Ship, American Crew

Wednesday, April 08, 2009

File: The hijacked vessel carrying 20 Americans is believed to be a Maersk cargo ship, similar to one seen in this photo.

File: The hijacked vessel carrying 20 Americans is believed to be a Maersk cargo ship, similar to one seen in this photo.

The U.S. Navy ordered its ships to the scene of a hijacking off the coast of Somalia Wednesday after pirates commandeered a U.S.-flagged cargo ship crewed by 20 U.S. citizens.

Officials would not say how many Navy ships are on the scene nor would it confirm the nationality of the crew members, but sources told FOX News the Danish-owned ship is operated by U.S. shipping company, Maersk Line Limited.

Pentagon Spokesman Bryan Whitman said he has "no information to suggest the 20 crew members of the Maersk Alabama have been harmed by the pirates."

The Department of Defense has taken the lead on information-gathering. Whitman declined to comment when asked if military action would be taken.

Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said the White House is "closely monitoring the apparent hijacking of the U.S.-flagged ship in the Indian Ocean and assessing a course of action to resolve this situation."

"Our top priority is the personal safety of the crew members on board," Gibbs said in a written statement.

Duck Dog
04-08-2009, 10:06 AM
Somewhere Delta and Seals are making preparations. I see a need for security forces to escort these ships. Blackwater, are you listening?

Chief Henry
04-08-2009, 10:13 AM
What is Obama doing about this ?

doomy3
04-08-2009, 10:15 AM
CNN is saying the US crew has taken back control of the ship.

At least one of the pirates is in custody of the crew.

MIAdragon
04-08-2009, 10:15 AM
Somewhere Delta and Seals are making preparations. I see a need for security forces to escort these ships. Blackwater, are you listening?

They already are

Brock
04-08-2009, 10:16 AM
What is Obama doing about this ?

This should be his TOP PRIORITY :rolleyes:

Radar Chief
04-08-2009, 10:17 AM
CNN is saying the US crew has taken back control of the ship.

At least one of the pirates is in custody of the crew.

Now that would be funny.

blaise
04-08-2009, 10:22 AM
Shiver me timbers.

Iowanian
04-08-2009, 10:23 AM
This would be a great time for Americans to start sinking pirate ships.

Paying ransom will only further encourage this bullshit.

Any ship crew that isn't armed going into that area is stupid at this point.

If I own a shipping company, there are .50cal turrets on each side of every one of my ships and people manning them to sink some little boats.

Simplex3
04-08-2009, 10:30 AM
This would be a great time for Americans to start sinking pirate ships.

The first boat you sink we'll be getting stories about how the US Navy killed a wedding party. Never mind they were armed to the hilt, it was 3am, and they were attacking a merchant vessel.

raybec 4
04-08-2009, 10:40 AM
I went to Somalia before the Blackhawk Down shit happened. We were escorting UN food convoys and in fire fights every day. I can honestly say that the entire country adds nothing of value to the world, it is completely devoid of anything other than chaos and violence.

Pitt Gorilla
04-08-2009, 10:46 AM
CNN is saying the US crew has taken back control of the ship.

At least one of the pirates is in custody of the crew.Awesome. Pirates best check theyselves.

RaiderH8r
04-08-2009, 10:48 AM
This would be a great time for Americans to start sinking pirate ships.

Paying ransom will only further encourage this bullshit.

Any ship crew that isn't armed going into that area is stupid at this point.

If I own a shipping company, there are .50cal turrets on each side of every one of my ships and people manning them to sink some little boats.

This has been going on since Thomas Jefferson was President. In fact, there's a great book called Pirate Coast about Jefferson's administration and how they dealt (or failed to) with the Barbary Pirates of that era. In fact, that may be the last time an American ship was taken by pirates. Meh.

Good on the crew for taking matters into their own hands. Yargh, it's a helluva day at sea sir!

KC Dan
04-08-2009, 10:52 AM
Yargh, it's a helluva day at sea sir!
Great "Overboard" quote usage!

Donger
04-08-2009, 10:54 AM
CNN is saying the US crew has taken back control of the ship.

At least one of the pirates is in custody of the crew.

They should have selected a French-crewed vessel. They'd be sitting on deck chairs being served caviar now.

alpha_omega
04-08-2009, 10:59 AM
The pussification of America continues....and the pirates know it.

KC native
04-08-2009, 11:13 AM
The pussification of America continues....and the pirates know it.

WTF are you talking about? The pirates are hijacking whatever they can.

alpha_omega
04-08-2009, 12:01 PM
WTF are you talking about? The pirates are hijacking whatever they can.

True, but i am talking about them having the guts to hit a ship flying a US flag.

Bowser
04-08-2009, 12:14 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/piracy

NAIROBI, Kenya – The American crew of a hijacked U.S.-flagged ship retook control of the vessel from Somali pirates Wednesday but the captain was still being held hostage, according to Pentagon officials and a member of the crew.

The crew member told The Associated Press that the 20-member crew had managed to seize one pirate and then successfully negotiate their own release.

The man, who picked up the ship's satellite phone but did not identify himself, told the AP in a brief conversation that the crew had retaken control of the ship and the pirates were in a lifeboat. But the man also said that they were holding the ship's captain hostage.

The news came hours after Pentagon officials said the crew had retaken the vessel from the Somali pirates who seized it far off the Horn of Africa.

President Barack Obama was following the situation closely, foreign policy adviser Denis McDonough said.

The ship was carrying emergency food relief to Mombasa, Kenya, when it was hijacked, the Copenhagen-based container shipping group A.P. Moller-Maersk said.

It was the sixth vessel seized within a week, a rise that analysts attribute to a new strategy by Somali pirates who are operating far from the warships patrolling the Gulf of Aden.

A U.S. official had said around noon Eastern time the crew had retaken control and had one pirate in custody.

"The crew is back in control of the ship," a U.S. official said at midday, speaking on condition of anonymity because she was not authorized to speak on the record. "It's reported that one pirate is on board under crew control — the other three were trying to flee," the official said.

Another U.S. official, citing a readout from an interagency conference call, said: "Multiple reliable sources are now reporting that the Maersk Alabama is now under control of the U.S. crew. The crew reportedly has one pirate in custody. The status of others is unclear, they are believed to be in the water."

Maersk Line Limited CEO John F. Reinhart said the vessel's manifest showed it was carrying 401 containers of food aid bound for Africa from USAID, Serving God Ministries, the World Food Program and Catholic Relief.

He said the company received a call around 10:30 a.m. EDT from the crew that indicated the crewmen were safe. But the call got cut off, and the company could not ask any more questions.

"The crew member called to say, 'We are safe.' They did not say they had taken over the vessel. They did not say the pirates are off the vessel," Reinhart said.

Cmdr. Jane Campbell, a spokeswoman for the U.S. Navy's Bahrain-based 5th Fleet, said that it was the first pirate attack "involving U.S. nationals and a U.S.-flagged vessel in recent memory." She did not give an exact timeframe.

Andrea Phillips, the wife of Capt. Richard Phillips of Underhill, Vermont., said her husband has sailed in those waters "for quite some time" and a hijacking was perhaps "inevitable."

Joseph Murphy, a professor at the Massachusetts Maritime Academy, said his sons, second in command Capt. Shane Murphy, was a 2001 Massachusetts Maritime Academy graduate who recently talked to a class about the dangers of piracy.

The younger Murphy wrote on his Facebook profile that he worked in waters between Oman and Kenya.

"These waters are infested with pirates that highjack (sic) ships daily," Murphy wrote on the page, which features a photograph of him. "I feel like it's only a matter of time before my number gets called."

Joseph Murphy said his son was trained in anti-piracy tactics at the academy and received training with firearms and small-arms tactics.

Somali pirates are trained fighters who frequently dress in military fatigues and use speedboats equipped with satellite phones and GPS equipment. They are typically armed with automatic weapons, anti-tank rocket launchers and various types of grenades. Far out to sea, their speedboats operate from larger mother ships.

The U.S. Navy said that the ship was hijacked early Wednesday about 280 miles (450 kilometers) southeast of Eyl, a town in the northern Puntland region of Somalia.

U.S. Navy spokesman Lt. Nathan Christensen said the closest U.S. ship at the time of the hijacking was 345 miles (555 kilometers)away.

The Combined Maritime Forces issued an advisory Wednesday highlighting several recent attacks that occurred hundreds of miles off the Somali coast and stating that merchant mariners should be increasingly vigilant when operating in those waters.

Douglas J. Mavrinac, the head of maritime research at investment firm Jefferies & Co., noted that it is very unusual for an international ship to be U.S.-flagged and carry a U.S. crew. Although about 95 percent of international ships carry foreign flags because of the lower cost and other factors, he said, ships that are operated by or for the U.S. government — such a food aid ships like Maersk Alabama — have to carry U.S. flags, and therefore, employ a crew of U.S. citizens.

There are fewer than 200 U.S.-flagged vessels in international waters, said Larry Howard, chair of the Global Business and Transportation Department at SUNY Maritime College in New York.

ROYC75
04-08-2009, 12:35 PM
Why would the captain still be held hostage ? Is there still one pirate on board, locked down with the captain in a room ?

Hog Farmer
04-08-2009, 01:09 PM
I just don't understand why this is so hard to stop. Law enforcement needs to shut down 3 rivers stadium so they won't have a base to fall back to.

MIAdragon
04-08-2009, 01:41 PM
They should have selected a French-crewed vessel. They'd be sitting on deck chairs being served caviar now.

LMAO, rep Sir!

MIAdragon
04-08-2009, 01:43 PM
Why would the captain still be held hostage ? Is there still one pirate on board, locked down with the captain in a room ?

Guess the crew didn’t like his ass.

“Um hey get the F off our boat but take Capin’ with ya, he smells like old cheese and he damn sea stories are getting old”

Denver Dave
04-08-2009, 01:50 PM
When it comes to conflicts between pirates and freighters, I pull for the pirates to win. I even take their side against military force.

blaise
04-08-2009, 01:55 PM
When it comes to conflicts between pirates and freighters, I pull for the pirates to win. I even take their side against military force.


Why

Denver Dave
04-08-2009, 02:06 PM
Why

They are the underdogs.

MIAdragon
04-08-2009, 02:07 PM
They are the underdogs.

:shake:

tooge
04-08-2009, 02:30 PM
This is BS, plain and simple. The US needs to start by cutting off all their wooden legs, and hooked hands, parade them through town in their little tights, then make them walk the plank. Then we can all sit back and drink the grog and pillage their gold and stuff.

raybec 4
04-08-2009, 02:48 PM
This is BS, plain and simple. The US needs to start by cutting off all their wooden legs, and hooked hands, parade them through town in their little tights, then make them walk the plank. Then we can all sit back and drink the grog and pillage their gold and stuff.

The only problem with that is all the ASPCA animal rights homos are going to be screaming about parrots without owners. They need to set up an adoption center for the true victims in this, the helpless birds.

RJ
04-08-2009, 02:56 PM
Argh.

Iowanian
04-08-2009, 03:30 PM
I'd like to see some up-close video footage of the faces of these "pirates" as they realized their small boats were about to be strafed by say, an American Fighter....maybe a C130 gunship....or an Apache.


Put some of these bastards on a stick on the coastline with a pig up their corn hole as a message.

MIAdragon
04-08-2009, 05:57 PM
I'd like to see some up-close video footage of the faces of these "pirates" as they realized their small boats were about to be strafed by say, an American Fighter....maybe a C130 gunship....or an Apache.


Put some of these bastards on a stick on the coastline with a pig up their corn hole as a message.

Id pee my pants

http://op-for.com/AC130.jpg

HonestChieffan
04-08-2009, 06:26 PM
Why dont we just finish Somalia once and for all. Dumbass shipping companies need to arm the damn boats.

MIAdragon
04-08-2009, 06:31 PM
Why dont we just finish Somalia once and for all. Dumbass shipping companies need to arm the damn boats.

you’d think the billion year drought or constant genocide would have already done that, resilient fuggers.

mlyonsd
04-08-2009, 06:38 PM
My guess is Akryod will eventually make the pirates walk the plank.
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/WORLD/africa/04/08/ship.hijacked/art.richard.phillips.jpg
Captain Richards. I'm sure it's just his code name.

Calcountry
04-09-2009, 11:18 AM
What is Obama doing about this ?Why, talking about housing guys. Of course.

The teleprompter didn't have an answer for him at this time.

Calcountry
04-09-2009, 11:20 AM
I'd like to see some up-close video footage of the faces of these "pirates" as they realized their small boats were about to be strafed by say, an American Fighter....maybe a C130 gunship....or an Apache.


Put some of these bastards on a stick on the coastline with a pig up their corn hole as a message.I would put a fleet off the coast of these fools home port. I would have CAP locate the speed boats and follow them back to their home ports, or other ships that launched them, then destroy the hosts.

Calcountry
04-09-2009, 11:21 AM
This is BS, plain and simple. The US needs to start by cutting off all their wooden legs, and hooked hands, parade them through town in their little tights, then make them walk the plank. Then we can all sit back and drink the grog and pillage their gold and stuff.I think we should appologize to the Somali warloards.

Iowanian
04-09-2009, 01:55 PM
I vote that they should be purified by fire.

Amnorix
04-09-2009, 03:43 PM
Yep. I posted on another thread about how I thought this should be handled, but a great deal of death is needed.

Watch -- if this keeps up we'll see piracy in other parts of the world. Radical Islamic controlled parts of Indonesia, and god-knows where else.

Duck Dog
04-09-2009, 03:47 PM
Cruise ships are next.

Hydrae
04-09-2009, 05:40 PM
If they have 10 large ships currently in their posession, why can't we just pick that location up via satellite and then raid the area? For that matter, why are we still dealing wtih Somalia? We should have knocked them down to size a long time ago.

Saul Good
04-09-2009, 08:02 PM
They are the underdogs.

So is Bin Laden.

MIAdragon
04-10-2009, 05:27 AM
Yep. I posted on another thread about how I thought this should be handled, but a great deal of death is needed.

Watch -- if this keeps up we'll see piracy in other parts of the world. Radical Islamic controlled parts of Indonesia, and god-knows where else.

Piracy is already much worse there.

BucEyedPea
04-10-2009, 07:26 AM
There's already been piracy off of Indonesia, as well as the South China Sea for years. Piracy was never completely wiped out.

BucEyedPea
04-10-2009, 07:37 AM
What is Obama doing about this ?

Why does he have to do anything? Highly taxed merchant ships aren't allowed to be armed are they? Let them arm themselves.

BucEyedPea
04-10-2009, 07:40 AM
Why dont we just finish Somalia once and for all. Dumbass shipping companies need to arm the damn boats.

I read they aren't allowed to arm themselves. That's a much better solution than using expensive military. Only use them for backup.

HonestChieffan
04-10-2009, 07:58 AM
Cant help but wonder why they dont have two seals swim over to that little tub and sink it, rescue our guy and come home. I know its not that simple but a standoff between a couple somali dudes and the US Navy is a bit absurd.

Simplex3
04-10-2009, 08:05 AM
Cant help but wonder why they dont have two seals swim over to that little tub and sink it, rescue our guy and come home. I know its not that simple but a standoff between a couple somali dudes and the US Navy is a bit absurd.

Well, top spec-ops guys like SeALS are expensive.

HonestChieffan
04-10-2009, 08:08 AM
Well, top spec-ops guys like SeALS are expensive.

Maybe a training exercise and use a beginner or two?

BucEyedPea
04-10-2009, 08:30 AM
I hear that no arms has more to do with the foreign ports of call's laws and that Int'l Maritime Law dissallows weapons. Not sure...and have nothing direct. If anyone knows I'd appreciate the details. I just don't have time to look it up.

HonestChieffan
04-10-2009, 08:35 AM
On a ship that big they could hide a weapon or 10. Heck I can hide em from my wife for years before she even knows I bought another gun. Theres only like 10 crew members. Its so absurd.

"Captain we have a rowboat shooting at us. "

"Alter course and run over said boat."

Everyone has a beer.

BucEyedPea
04-10-2009, 08:37 AM
On a ship that big they could hide a weapon or 10. Heck I can hide em from my wife for years before she even knows I bought another gun. Theres only like 10 crew members. Its so absurd.

"Captain we have a rowboat shooting at us. "

"Alter course and run over said boat."

Everyone has a beer.

Someone said on another board, that it's because they are things on board that can explode. But so does the military.

Simplex3
04-10-2009, 08:59 AM
Someone said on another board, that it's because they are things on board that can explode.

Well then I'd do my best to not shoot one of those things.

BucEyedPea
04-10-2009, 09:09 AM
Well then I'd do my best to not shoot one of those things.

But if the pirates are armed things can still explode.

HonestChieffan
04-10-2009, 10:20 AM
Put targets on the non explosive stuff or just shoot the little boats first.

Simplex3
04-10-2009, 11:51 AM
But if the pirates are armed things can still explode.

I'm pretty sure there aren't any laws that are going to stop the pirates from arming themselves.

Amnorix
04-10-2009, 01:28 PM
On a ship that big they could hide a weapon or 10. Heck I can hide em from my wife for years before she even knows I bought another gun. Theres only like 10 crew members. Its so absurd.

"Captain we have a rowboat shooting at us. "

"Alter course and run over said boat."

Everyone has a beer.

On THIS ship, sure, but if you have flammable stuff and the bad guys have an RPG, you're f**ked.

WoodDraw
04-10-2009, 01:50 PM
I read they aren't allowed to arm themselves. That's a much better solution than using expensive military. Only use them for backup.

A lot of ship owners don't want to arm their crews. If every attempted hijacking turns into a gun battle, a lot of people will die. Arming crews could do nothing more than escalate the situation with poor results.

The protection of the seas is undoubtably the duty of the military.

HonestChieffan
04-10-2009, 02:02 PM
If the somalis knew every ship had a 50 cal mounted fore and aft and two guys to use em, they would rethink this occupation. Hard to reload an RPG and even harder to shoot it accurately from a boat bobbing around in 6 foot waves.

ROYC75
04-10-2009, 06:50 PM
If the somalis knew every ship had a 50 cal mounted fore and aft and two guys to use em, they would rethink this occupation. Hard to reload an RPG and even harder to shoot it accurately from a boat bobbing around in 6 foot waves.


We can't do that, cargo ships becoming fighting ships ? When they come to harbor, they would be attacked or taken over then too ?

StcChief
04-10-2009, 10:50 PM
We can't do that, cargo ships becoming fighting ships ? When they come to harbor, they would be attacked or taken over then too ?it should have come to that long ago.....our original Navy was made to fight the Barbary pirates off Libya centuries ago.

Any oil frieghter should have skilled trained mercenry personnel with approriate weapons. These clowns should not even be near the ship.

petegz28
04-10-2009, 10:54 PM
it should have come to that long ago.....our original Navy was made to fight the Barbary pirates off Libya centuries ago.

Any oil frieghter should have skilled trained mercenry personnel with approriate weapons. These clowns should not even be near the ship.

a lot of "experts" claim having mercenary escort makes it less safe.

wild1
04-11-2009, 09:31 AM
a lot of "experts" claim having mercenary escort makes it less safe.

what kind of idiot said that again?

Hydrae
04-11-2009, 09:34 AM
it should have come to that long ago.....our original Navy was made to fight the Barbary pirates off Libya centuries ago.

Any oil frieghter should have skilled trained mercenry personnel with approriate weapons. These clowns should not even be near the ship.

Wouldn't you think having security on a ship with millions and millions of dollars worth of freight make sense? We use security guards at warehouses and the like, why not a ship that has several warehouses worth of stuff on board?

petegz28
04-11-2009, 09:45 AM
what kind of idiot said that again?

Some of the alleged "experts". They claim mercenary escort would encourage more violence and etc. These people I am sure are from the same crowd that thinks you should not own a gun either.

Chiefshrink
04-11-2009, 12:36 PM
These terrorists/pirates are the same group that drug around our dead soldiers in the streets of Mogadishu like trophies!!! Not a crisis, uh? Just ask that captain what he thinks of Obama if "O" continues to sit on his hands like uh oh yeah President Carter!!! Let's get some perspective here, all the world's onery kids have now started to come out play now that "O" has come into office:thumb: Navy supposedly calls in the FBI to help in negotiations? Like to be a fly on the wall behind those closed door political decisions:shake::shake:

What do you think Reagan would do? Seals in a heartbeat!! This would have done by now.

patteeu
04-11-2009, 01:11 PM
I really don't think Seals are necessary in this case (the one with the captain in the lifeboat). Just wait them out.

But in the bigger picture, we ought to be tracking these pirates down, destroying their ships/stuff, and sending as many of them as possible to davy jones' locker post haste.

BucEyedPea
04-11-2009, 02:28 PM
A lot of ship owners don't want to arm their crews. If every attempted hijacking turns into a gun battle, a lot of people will die. Arming crews could do nothing more than escalate the situation with poor results.

The protection of the seas is undoubtably the duty of the military.

So someone died when French commandos ( ya' know the pussies) saved a family being pirated. It's gonna happen. That being said, as far as I allowing folks to be armed has dropped the crime rate. Why wouldn't that extend to here. That is unless some of their cargo is explosive...then again the pirates can shoot and have that cargo explode. I can see the navies patrolling the area. As far as I know there are multiple nations doing that. Yet the piracy has increased while they're being less successful. And I wanna know more about this claim that western nations are dumping toxic waste in Somalia.

Simplex3
04-11-2009, 02:32 PM
And I wanna know more about this claim that western nations are dumping toxic waste in Somalia.

"Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn."

blaise
04-11-2009, 02:53 PM
Why don't they just do it like a sting operation. Disguise armed ships as cargo ships, and when the pirates come out they just open fire on them. Should stop a few of these guys.

StcChief
04-11-2009, 03:03 PM
Why don't they just do it like a sting operation. Disguise armed ships as cargo ships, and when the pirates come out they just open fire on them. Should stop a few of these guys.I heard that today at lunch.

BucEyedPea
04-11-2009, 03:57 PM
"Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn."

I don't think that's right, if true. I do think there may be something to what was the origins of this piracy then from there more criminals got involved until it escalated out of control. Kind of how criminals tagged along the Crusades.

It would be good to look into it and clean it up, pun intended, while still arming merchant ships and having navies patrol the area. I favor long term solutions to problems. And I don't trust the press to ever give a full report.

Hog Farmer
04-11-2009, 05:59 PM
Why don't they just do it like a sting operation. Disguise armed ships as cargo ships, and when the pirates come out they just open fire on them. Should stop a few of these guys.

Good Idea! I'd love to be involved in that !!!!

Well, beats my current job anyway.

BucEyedPea
04-11-2009, 06:16 PM
Why don't they just do it like a sting operation. Disguise armed ships as cargo ships, and when the pirates come out they just open fire on them. Should stop a few of these guys.

Pretty Good. That make for good story telling material too.

WoodDraw
04-11-2009, 06:39 PM
So someone died when French commandos ( ya' know the pussies) saved a family being pirated. It's gonna happen. That being said, as far as I allowing folks to be armed has dropped the crime rate. Why wouldn't that extend to here. That is unless some of their cargo is explosive...then again the pirates can shoot and have that cargo explode. I can see the navies patrolling the area. As far as I know there are multiple nations doing that. Yet the piracy has increased while they're being less successful. And I wanna know more about this claim that western nations are dumping toxic waste in Somalia.

I'd support allowing any ship that wants to arm themselves or hire armed guards to do so. I just don't think the burden of protecting the seas should be switched from the government to private ship owners.

The problem won't be fixed though until Somalia gets a legitimate government. The area is massive, and as long as they have a safe haven to return to, what can you do really? Maybe provide any US flagged ship an escort in and out of the area if requested.

BucEyedPea
04-11-2009, 06:47 PM
I'd support allowing any ship that wants to arm themselves or hire armed guards to do so. I just don't think the burden of protecting the seas should be switched from the government to private ship owners.
Oh I didn't say anything about them protecting the seas( plural) ....just themselves.

The problem won't be fixed though until Somalia gets a legitimate government. The area is massive, and as long as they have a safe haven to return to, what can you do really? Maybe provide any US flagged ship an escort in and out of the area if requested.

I'm not sold that a govt is the answer. I think it can be handled without another progressive episode in nation building. From what I'm reading on it now, actually from a liberal site, it was left government-less so toxic waste could be dumped there. Hmmmm.....:hmmm:

banyon
04-11-2009, 06:52 PM
Yeah, what those pirates need is some more anarchy, that should really fix things up. :rolleyes:

WoodDraw
04-11-2009, 06:55 PM
Oh I didn't say anything about them protecting the seas( plural) ....just themselves.

Sure, but you can't separate one issue from the other. And I can understand why a ship owner would not want to ask their crew to take on that responsibility and risk. They are a shipping crew, not soldiers, and shouldn't have to get in gun fights unless they volunteer to.


I'm not sold that a govt is the answer. I think it can be handled without another progressive episode in nation building. From what I'm reading on it now, actually from a liberal site, it was left government-less so toxic waste could be dumped there. Hmmmm.....:hmmm:

Well they need to nation build, not us. That turned out nicely last time we tried there. But as long as tribes and warlords run the show, nothing will stop this. They're making quite a bit of money...

BucEyedPea
04-11-2009, 06:59 PM
And I can understand why a ship owner would not want to ask their crew to take on that responsibility and risk. They are a shipping crew, not soldiers, and shouldn't have to get in gun fights unless they volunteer to.
Oh I just think having them makes them less of a target. Like crime dropped here with concealed weapons permits. That kinda thing.

But I'm not against navy patrols either.




Well they need to nation build, not us. That turned out nicely last time we tried there. But as long as tribes and warlords run the show, nothing will stop this. They're making quite a bit of money...
They sure are.

Hog Farmer
04-11-2009, 07:27 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,514635,00.html

wazu
04-11-2009, 07:35 PM
You'd think by now they'd just have a world-class sniper assigned to every Somali on the boat, with some computer tragectory program that ensured we had minimized any chance of hitting the Captain. Just try it already.

WoodDraw
04-11-2009, 10:39 PM
You'd think by now they'd just have a world-class sniper assigned to every Somali on the boat, with some computer tragectory program that ensured we had minimized any chance of hitting the Captain. Just try it already.

Minus the being inside a boat problem. Have the Navy SEALS called to consult you yet?

KC Jones
04-11-2009, 10:43 PM
The associate professor of National Security Affairs at the Naval War College has some interesting points to make on this subject...

http://www.thestatesman.net/page.news.php?clid=4&theme=&usrsess=1&id=250710

StcChief
04-12-2009, 11:17 AM
The failed state of Somolia is obviously a major factor for RobinHood Pirates trying to protect their waters from foreign vessels.... but attacking ships for Bounty / Prisoners... might be over the line, if they are truely trying to protect fishing waters.

mlyonsd
04-12-2009, 11:24 AM
The failed state of Somolia is obviously a major factor for RobinHood Pirates trying to protect their waters from foreign vessels.... but attacking ships for Bounty / Prisoners... might be over the line, if they are truely trying to protect fishing waters.

Someone on ABC this morning said the pirates were just following a good business model.

wild1
04-12-2009, 11:35 AM
Fox News is now reporting that the captain has been freed and 3 of the 4 pirates were killed.

Some guy on the phone indicating that it may have been a SEAL operation, in any case it sounds like the military made a move on them.

RIP scumbags

StcChief
04-12-2009, 11:40 AM
Someone on ABC this morning said the pirates were just following a good business model.why doesn't that surprise me.
Robin Hood did too.....

mlyonsd
04-12-2009, 11:40 AM
Fox News is now reporting that the captain has been freed and 3 of the 4 pirates were killed.

Some guy on the phone indicating that it may have been a SEAL operation, in any case it sounds like the military made a move on them.

RIP scumbags

Awesome. They should have killed the 4th as well.

StcChief
04-12-2009, 11:41 AM
Fox News is now reporting that the captain has been freed and 3 of the 4 pirates were killed.

Some guy on the phone indicating that it may have been a SEAL operation, in any case it sounds like the military made a move on them.

RIP scumbagsabout time. Lets see how Obummer reacts to his muslim friends.

wild1
04-12-2009, 11:43 AM
Now they are saying Capt Phillips may have jumped overboard again, and the SEALs (or whomever) took the opportunity this time to send them to hell while he was in the water

wild1
04-12-2009, 11:44 AM
Awesome. They should have killed the 4th as well.

should have just handcuffed his ankles and sent him over the side

VAChief
04-12-2009, 11:56 AM
about time. Lets see how Obummer reacts to his muslim friends.

I'm sure he is very sympathetic to these asswipes. Do you really have this much hatred that you would make this kind of traitorous accusations of the freely elected President of the United States?

wild1
04-12-2009, 12:03 PM
I'm sure he is very sympathetic to these asswipes. Do you really have this much hatred that you would make this kind of traitorous accusations of the freely elected President of the United States?

He might be referring to him kissing the Saudi king's ring last week, and prostrating himself before muslims and attempting to divorce the country from its religious heritage

VAChief
04-12-2009, 12:08 PM
He might be referring to him kissing the Saudi king's ring last week, and prostrating himself before muslims and attempting to divorce the country from its religious heritage

Bullshit. Did you feel the same feelings of betrayal with President Bush when he kissed him on the fricking MOUTH and held his hand as they casually strolled through the gardens?

Of course not, because it would be idiotic and petty.

wild1
04-12-2009, 12:11 PM
Bullshit. Did you feel the same feelings of betrayal with President Bush when he kissed him on the fricking MOUTH and held his hand as they casually strolled through the gardens?

Of course not, because it would be idiotic and petty.

He did things that are social customs, like hand holding, in that part of the world.

He did not bow when no other leader bowed, nor did he give a speech groveling for approval and apologizing for who we are.

orange
04-12-2009, 12:19 PM
Some of you guys are utterly laughable. Obama obviously gave the military authorization to act, but you just don't get it.


[edit] make that "REFUSE to get it."

orange
04-12-2009, 12:22 PM
"The negotiations between the elders and American officials have broken down. The reason is American officials wanted to arrest the pirates in Puntland and elders refused the arrest of the pirates," said the commissioner, Abdi Aziz Aw Yusuf. He said he organized initial contacts between the elders and the Americans.

That damn Obama - soft on terrorists.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30178013/?GT1=43001

wild1
04-12-2009, 12:24 PM
It was a side discussion, orange. If Obama did order it then I would gladly give him credit for making his first correct decision.

VAChief
04-12-2009, 12:29 PM
He did things that are social customs, like hand holding, in that part of the world.

He did not bow when no other leader bowed, nor did he give a speech groveling for approval and apologizing for who we are.

Social customs? Wouldn't that be seeking approval? If we don't have to care who we offend or seek approval from, why would you seek to respect their customs?

Apologizing for who we are? That's a stretch, since he also chastized those whose anti-American sentiments have caused damage to international relations as well. Of course that part gets conveniently left out of the Fox News reports.

orange
04-12-2009, 12:30 PM
I think this demonstrates that his bow (and yes, it was a BOW, and yes, it was dumb, but...) doesn't really mean a damn thing.

He's made worse PR moves. His "official seal of the saviour of the United States" back during the campaign will be tough to top.

wild1
04-12-2009, 12:31 PM
I think this demonstrates that his bow (and yes, it was a BOW, and yes, it was dumb, but...) doesn't really mean a damn thing.

Well, standing up to an unincorporated group of 4 ne'er do wells who represent no flag or global influence is apparently within his capability.

StcChief
04-12-2009, 12:41 PM
If Obama did agree to the Seal attack. props to him, knowing it was really the only option. Your not gonna get the Somolia Elders to arrest anyone, as their pockets are getting lined with ransom cash.

mlyonsd
04-12-2009, 12:42 PM
From a political POV, the pirate story was such a big part of the Sunday news shows this morning it couldn't have turned out any better for Obama.

|Zach|
04-12-2009, 12:46 PM
These terrorists/pirates are the same group that drug around our dead soldiers in the streets of Mogadishu like trophies!!! Not a crisis, uh? Just ask that captain what he thinks of Obama if "O" continues to sit on his hands like uh oh yeah President Carter!!! Let's get some perspective here, all the world's onery kids have now started to come out play now that "O" has come into office:thumb: Navy supposedly calls in the FBI to help in negotiations? Like to be a fly on the wall behind those closed door political decisions:shake::shake:

What do you think Reagan would do? Seals in a heartbeat!! This would have done by now.

Bump for being an assface.

wild1
04-12-2009, 12:58 PM
If Obama did agree to the Seal attack. props to him, knowing it was really the only option. Your not gonna get the Somolia Elders to arrest anyone, as their pockets are getting lined with ransom cash.

What probably happened is that the administration authorized something like this a few days ago if the opportunity presented itself. When it did, the military officers on the scene made the snap decision to go ahead. Everyone did their job.

stevieray
04-12-2009, 02:00 PM
It's not about Obama...like this was hard decison to make? please.

Any and all credit goes the Seals who do/did the dirty work.

RNR
04-12-2009, 02:08 PM
It's not about Obama...like this was hard decison to make? please.

Any and all credit goes the Seals who do/did the dirty work.

No shit!

BucEyedPea
04-12-2009, 02:27 PM
Good News: Captain jumps in water, Seals open fire and kill three of the pirates, one taken into custody!

alanm
04-12-2009, 02:28 PM
Awesome. They should have killed the 4th as well.I've a feeling he won't pull through. If we capture him we'd probably end up having to provide him citizenship and a home in the US.ROFL

eazyb81
04-12-2009, 02:31 PM
It's not about Obama...like this was hard decison to make? please.

Any and all credit goes the Seals who do/did the dirty work.

Yep. The Seals are total badasses.

BucEyedPea
04-12-2009, 02:33 PM
I wonder if the operation cost less than the $2 million ransom? I hope so...plus the deterrent factor.

VAChief
04-12-2009, 02:35 PM
It's not about Obama...like this was hard decison to make? please.

Any and all credit goes the Seals who do/did the dirty work.

Yep, it would be like giving Reagan credit for Grenada.

RNR
04-12-2009, 02:50 PM
I wonder if the operation cost less than the $2 million ransom? I hope so...plus the deterrent factor.

Who cares, the situation was handled as it should have been. The price of the ransom is completely irrelevant. To even enter that in this situation is small sighted and indefensible

patteeu
04-12-2009, 02:52 PM
Some of you guys are utterly laughable. Obama obviously gave the military authorization to act, but you just don't get it.


[edit] make that "REFUSE to get it."

He deserves credit for making the right call here, but let's not confuse this with true demonstration of resolve.

stevieray
04-12-2009, 03:00 PM
He deserves credit for making the right call here, but let's not confuse this with true demonstration of resolve.

...maybe Obama can call Clint out of retiirement...;)

Hog Farmer
04-12-2009, 03:06 PM
I wonder if the operation cost less than the $2 million ransom? I hope so...plus the deterrent factor.

Why would that matter ?

patteeu
04-12-2009, 03:08 PM
Did these Seals have a warrant? Was excessive force used? Maybe we need an investigation. :shrug:

mlyonsd
04-12-2009, 03:18 PM
Did these Seals have a warrant? Was excessive force used? Maybe we need an investigation. :shrug:

I'm pretty sure at least three of the pirates would have taken a waterboarding vacation in Guantanamo instead of the end result.

Good riddance to them. Would have been better if all four had been taken out.

Chiefspants
04-12-2009, 03:32 PM
Awesome, Freaking awesome, this makes me so happy.
As a supporter of Obama I am happy that he was able to resolve this conflict. (I was moving through western Kansas yesterday and heard three hours of Hannity and Limbaugh talk about how Obama was doing everything wrong for this crisis.)
But this really isn't about politics, what it comes down to is we saved an American life and we sent a message to those a-holes about what happens when you screw with us.

googlegoogle
04-12-2009, 03:35 PM
Anyone know how this ship got captured near somalia?

thought they weren't supposed to go near that country.

Captain mistakes?

googlegoogle
04-12-2009, 03:36 PM
Who cares, the situation was handled as it should have been. The price of the ransom is completely irrelevant. To even enter that in this situation is small sighted and indefensible

We pay for this military. Might as well use it.

Hog Farmer
04-12-2009, 03:45 PM
Anyone know how this ship got captured near somalia?

thought they weren't supposed to go near that country.

Captain mistakes?

It was 300 miles from Somalia when it got captured.

the Pentagon just gave a briefing:

Our destroyer the Bainbridge was towing the vessel at about 25 meters behind with snipers positioned off the tailfin.

they determined Phillips life was in imminent danger as they saw one of the pirates raise an AK to his back , so the order was given to take them out.

Two of the pirates were exposed at the time but its not clear how the other two were shot, through the vessel or what.

RNR
04-12-2009, 03:49 PM
We pay for this military. Might as well use it.

As I said "small sighted and indefensible"

BigRedChief
04-12-2009, 03:50 PM
We pay for this military. Might as well use it.
You kidnap Americans expect some payback. Lesson learned? Go ahead and kidnap the french and hijack saudi oil tankers but attack american flagged ships? You should get the blunt end of the stck upside your head as a reminder not to fu$% with us.

VAChief
04-12-2009, 04:01 PM
(I was moving through western Kansas yesterday and heard three hours of Hannity and Limbaugh talk about how Obama was doing everything wrong for this crises.)


They do have extensive military experience. Oh wait, nevermind.

stevieray
04-12-2009, 04:09 PM
They do have extensive military experience. Oh wait, nevermind.
...that standard would eleiminate 90 percent of this forum form having an opinion on the matter.

mlyonsd
04-12-2009, 04:19 PM
It was 300 miles from Somalia when it got captured.

the Pentagon just gave a briefing:

Our destroyer the Bainbridge was towing the vessel at about 25 meters behind with snipers positioned off the tailfin.

they determined Phillips life was in imminent danger as they saw one of the pirates raise an AK to his back , so the order was given to take them out.

Two of the pirates were exposed at the time but its not clear how the other two were shot, through the vessel or what.

Holy crap. There's a movie in the making.

BucEyedPea
04-12-2009, 04:27 PM
Who cares, the situation was handled as it should have been. The price of the ransom is completely irrelevant. To even enter that in this situation is small sighted and indefensible

Well, it alludes to my earlier posts on having these merchant ships be armed so it won't always necessitate the more expensive solution of using the military. They just may not even be targets if they are known to be armed too. That's more my point. I'm still glad the Seals got 'em.

BucEyedPea
04-12-2009, 04:28 PM
Why would that matter ?

See above about having merchant ships be armed.
That and I'm a fiscal conservative to the core meaning I'm a cheap ass.

VAChief
04-12-2009, 04:33 PM
...that standard would eleiminate 90 percent of this forum form having an opinion on the matter.

Granted, and admittedly I do tend to have an anti chickenhawk bias.

googlegoogle
04-12-2009, 04:39 PM
Shouldn't we bomb those islami facists ?

I would love to hit their government offices. A real leader would do this. Weaken them so another country could invade their ass. Somali is a cancer to the region for everyone.

We need to make up for the Somali attack in the 90's.

BucEyedPea
04-12-2009, 05:18 PM
Shouldn't we bomb those islami facists ?

I would love to hit their government offices. A real leader would do this. Weaken them so another country could invade their ass. Somali is a cancer to the region for everyone.

We need to make up for the Somali attack in the 90's.

But, but they don't have a govt.

HonestChieffan
04-12-2009, 05:22 PM
Not sure we do either.

Bowser
04-12-2009, 05:40 PM
Not sure we do either.

It's pure anarchy here in the states. You should save yourself and cross the border to Mexico.

HonestChieffan
04-12-2009, 05:54 PM
It's pure anarchy here in the states. You should save yourself and cross the border to Mexico.

I will be in Mexico week after next. But Ill be back after a few days.

banyon
04-12-2009, 05:55 PM
I will be in Mexico week after next. But Ill be back after a few days.

Be sure to tell them what you told us on the board a few days ago.

HonestChieffan
04-12-2009, 05:59 PM
Why, the people in Mexico are there legally. They live in Mexico. I'll just be another gringo. I can refer to myself as a gringo can't I without you having a new racist rant?

banyon
04-12-2009, 06:02 PM
Why, the people in Mexico are there legally. They live in Mexico. I'll just be another gringo. I can refer to myself as a gringo can't I without you having a new racist rant?

That's not the name you used to refer to them.

HonestChieffan
04-12-2009, 06:06 PM
No, I used a no no word and I wont use it again becuse it is a no no. I'm being perfectly politically correct in keeping with times.

banyon
04-12-2009, 06:07 PM
No, I used a no no word and I wont use it again becuse it is a no no. I'm being perfectly politically correct in keeping with times.

Racist slurs and politically correct are two different things.

Your attempt to conflate them and excuse it is not surprising however.

HonestChieffan
04-12-2009, 06:09 PM
Not true.

banyon
04-12-2009, 06:09 PM
Not true.

Gee, that's convincing.

googlegoogle
04-12-2009, 06:41 PM
That's not the name you used to refer to them.

Umm. Who are you telling people what they can say?

I like freedom. Do you?

googlegoogle
04-12-2009, 06:42 PM
Racist slurs and politically correct are two different things.

Your attempt to conflate them and excuse it is not surprising however.

Says Chiefplanet's Al sharpton.

HonestChieffan
04-12-2009, 06:43 PM
http://www.ourcivilisation.com/pc.htm

An Australians view on politcal corrctness. You may not agree with everything he says but nonetheless it is a interesting take.

J Diddy
04-12-2009, 06:44 PM
Umm. Who are you telling people what they can say?

I like freedom. Do you?


I suppose you can apply that same question to what you just said.

googlegoogle
04-12-2009, 06:49 PM
I suppose you can apply that same question to what you just said.

Talk about taking my comments out of context. I am talking free speech boy. You seem to not like it.

Did you work for Bernie Madoff?

Chiefshrink
04-12-2009, 07:13 PM
Bump for being an assface.

Like I said ,this sh** should have been over 3days ago but props for Obama for finally listening to Gen.Patton:clap: and at least having the so-called balls to authorize the Seals into action. The sad part:( of all of this is it probably took a poll # to move him to do it since most liberals are pussies and won't fight unless it is against America:thumb:

Thx for the credit Zach for what should have been done days ago.;)

VAChief
04-12-2009, 07:19 PM
The sad part:( of all of this is it probably took a poll # to move him to do it since most liberals are pussies and won't fight unless it is against America:thumb:

Thx for the credit Zach for what should have been done days ago.;)

I didn't realize Cheney, Gingrich, Limbaugh, George W. Bush, Buchanan, Hannity, O'Reilly, etc. were all liberals?

Also, how do you know the decision to take them out when an opportunity arose wasn't made days ago?

googlegoogle
04-12-2009, 07:19 PM
Like I said ,this sh** should have been over 3days ago but props for Obama for finally listening to Gen.Patton:clap: and at least having the so-called balls to authorize the Seals into action. The sad part:( of all of this is it probably took a poll # to move him to do it since most liberals are pussies and won't fight unless it is against America:thumb:

Thx for the credit Zach for what should have been done days ago.;)


The somalis are like taliban ragheads. They are as dumb as rocks.

Keep an eye out on this. There is going to be some revenge by these spearchucking pirates.

What will Obama do if they kill a crew? Nothing?

wild1
04-12-2009, 07:23 PM
The somalis are like taliban ragheads. They are as dumb as rocks.

Have you ever met a Somali?

Sully
04-12-2009, 07:25 PM
Like I said ,this sh** should have been over 3days ago but props for Obama for finally listening to Gen.Patton:clap: and at least having the so-called balls to authorize the Seals into action. The sad part:( of all of this is it probably took a poll # to move him to do it since most liberals are pussies and won't fight unless it is against America:thumb:

Thx for the credit Zach for what should have been done days ago.;)

ROFL

Thing is, you probably believe all you just typed.

Sully
04-12-2009, 07:26 PM
The somalis are like taliban ragheads. They are as dumb as rocks.

Keep an eye out on this. There is going to be some revenge by these spearchucking pirates.

What will Obama do if they kill a crew? Nothing?

What a racist loon! ROFL

HonestChieffan
04-12-2009, 07:32 PM
Loons are very popular in Minnesota, Canada, many Northern states. Pretty birds, cool sounding call, great divers, swim great distances under water. Why did "loon" become used as a word to describe nutjobs?

banyon
04-12-2009, 07:34 PM
The somalis are like taliban ragheads. They are as dumb as rocks.

Keep an eye out on this. There is going to be some revenge by these spearchucking pirates.

What will Obama do if they kill a crew? Nothing?

You're really flaming out here, you racist lunatic.

HonestChieffan
04-12-2009, 07:40 PM
Well, the pirates have already said the US will regret this....

Sully
04-12-2009, 08:06 PM
Loons are very popular in Minnesota, Canada, many Northern states. Pretty birds, cool sounding call, great divers, swim great distances under water. Why did "loon" become used as a word to describe nutjobs?

I can't speak for everyone, but I use it as short-speak for lunatic. I'm sure someone has got a better reason, though.

HonestChieffan
04-12-2009, 08:07 PM
I can't speak for everyone, but I use it as short-speak for lunatic. I'm sure someone has got a better reason, though.

You may be right!

wazu
04-12-2009, 09:22 PM
Minus the being inside a boat problem. Have the Navy SEALS called to consult you yet?

Do you feel stupid at all now that they have basically executed my plan to a flawless result?

WoodDraw
04-12-2009, 10:47 PM
Do you feel stupid at all now that they have basically executed my plan to a flawless result?

My problem was more with your "You'd think by now..." and "just try it already" and not the blatantly obvious idea of sniping the pirates. I tend to trust that the Navy SEALS know what they're doing, without your prompting.

patteeu
04-13-2009, 06:33 AM
Like I said ,this sh** should have been over 3days ago but props for Obama for finally listening to Gen.Patton:clap: and at least having the so-called balls to authorize the Seals into action. The sad part:( of all of this is it probably took a poll # to move him to do it since most liberals are pussies and won't fight unless it is against America:thumb:

Thx for the credit Zach for what should have been done days ago.;)

More than likely, Obama authorized this quite a while ago and left it to the local commanders to decide when to act. That's the way it should be. I don't see how we can complain about the results. This was an easy call, but Obama deserves credit for making it. I fear that there will be plenty of opportunities to criticize the man for poor foreign policy / defense decisions in the future, but for now give credit where credit is due.

dirk digler
04-13-2009, 06:41 AM
More than likely, Obama authorized this quite a while ago and left it to the local commanders to decide when to act. That's the way it should be. I don't see how we can complain about the results. This was an easy call, but Obama deserves credit for making it. I fear that there will be plenty of opportunity to criticize the man for poor foreign policy / defense decisions in the future, but for now give credit where credit is due.

Who hijacked Pat's account? Great post though by whoever did this.

ROYC75
04-13-2009, 07:05 AM
We, the UN, ( Us and Nobody else ) will have to patrol that area extremely heavy now by boat and air to combat the pirates now , this just pissed them off . Even thou they deserved this to the fullest, we have let this situation continue too long.

Hog Farmer
04-13-2009, 07:48 AM
More than likely, Obama authorized this quite a while ago and left it to the local commanders to decide when to act. That's the way it should be. I don't see how we can complain about the results. This was an easy call, but Obama deserves credit for making it. I fear that there will be plenty of opportunities to criticize the man for poor foreign policy / defense decisions in the future, but for now give credit where credit is due.

sorry, he doesn't deserve credit because we have a Superior military.

If Bush had been in office it would have lasted two days instead of 4 and a barrage of cruisile missiles would be lighting up Somalia.

penchief
04-13-2009, 07:51 AM
What do you think Reagan would do? Seals in a heartbeat!! This would have done by now.

Oh, I don't know..........maybe flee like he did in Lebanon?

By the way, looks like you were a little premature in your evaluation of the situation.

patteeu
04-13-2009, 07:53 AM
sorry, he doesn't deserve credit because we have a Superior military.

If Bush had been in office it would have lasted two days instead of 4 and a barrage of cruisile missiles would be lighting up Somalia.

I don't really see much difference between 2 days and 4 days, but don't get me wrong, the credit I think he deserves isn't very substantial. In the other thread I compared it to the credit a basketball player deserves for making a routine layup.

Now, a slightly more significant test is presented. What will Obama do about the ongoing problem with piracy around the horn of Africa, if anything?

Radar Chief
04-13-2009, 07:56 AM
sorry, he doesn't deserve credit because we have a Superior military.

If Bush had been in office it would have lasted two days instead of 4 and a barrage of cruisile missiles would be lighting up Somalia.

I don’t assume that the government’s reaction would’ve been any different, but the headlines sure would’ve.
Instead of the AP hailing the result as “Passing the first critical National Security test”, if Bush were still POTUS they would’ve read something like, “3 freedom fighters killed, one held hostage after Bush orders their execution” with, “News on the torture of the 4th freedom fighter expected any moment” somewhere below the first headline.

penchief
04-13-2009, 08:01 AM
The sad part:( of all of this is it probably took a poll # to move him to do it since most liberals are pussies and won't fight unless it is against America:thumb:

Thx for the credit Zach for what should have been done days ago.;)

Liberals are no more pussies than conservatives like you. Being a big talker doesn't make you a man. It usually just masks being a pussy.

FWIW, the World War II generation was as liberal as this country has ever seen. Liberals will fight to defend their country but don't have much patience for the cowboy bullshit that people like you and George Bush spew.

patteeu
04-13-2009, 08:04 AM
I don’t assume that the government’s reaction would’ve been any different, but the headlines sure would’ve.
Instead of the AP hailing the result as “Passing the first critical National Security test”, if Bush were still POTUS they would’ve read something like, “3 freedom fighters killed, one held hostage after Bush orders their execution” with, “News on the torture of the 4th freedom fighter expected any moment” somewhere below the first headline.

LMAO I doubt that that's much of an exaggeration.

Amnorix
04-13-2009, 08:19 AM
Obama gets a small amount of credit for handling it well, but let's face it -- the optics of this situation were vastly disproportional to the amount of national security actually at stake. If the Captain got aced or the "rescue" was otherwise a failure, he would have taken intense blame for something that he had little control over. Now that it all turned out well he gets alot of credit for something that he had little control over.

Agreed that the most interesting/important issue is what we are going to do to combat piracy in the region, which is increasingly exponentially.

BucEyedPea
04-13-2009, 08:35 AM
I don’t assume that the government’s reaction would’ve been any different, but the headlines sure would’ve.
Instead of the AP hailing the result as “Passing the first critical National Security test”, if Bush were still POTUS they would’ve read something like, “3 freedom fighters killed, one held hostage after Bush orders their execution” with, “News on the torture of the 4th freedom fighter expected any moment” somewhere below the first headline.

I like that Obama treated this as a law enforcement issue more than a military one. Because that's what it is.

googlegoogle
04-13-2009, 02:56 PM
You're really flaming out here, you racist lunatic.

How so lib pos. ?

SPEARCHUCKING RAGHEADS ARE DEAD.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Iowanian
04-13-2009, 02:58 PM
I'm pretty sure your ass is going to be terminated from this establishment.

googlegoogle
04-13-2009, 03:02 PM
What a racist loon! ROFL

I don't like spearchucking raghead islamofacist Somalis you bleeding heart lib.

I can see it offends you. Boo fuc**ing HOO.

googlegoogle
04-13-2009, 03:04 PM
I'm pretty sure your ass is going to be terminated from this establishment.

Go ahead and explain to me why you think that?

Maybe we should only post what you and some left wing extremists enjoy.

Amnorix
04-13-2009, 03:05 PM
I'm pretty sure your ass is going to be terminated from this establishment.

Certainly ought to be. He's turned into a complete fruitcake.

googlegoogle
04-13-2009, 03:10 PM
Certainly ought to be. He's turned into a complete fruitcake.

Actually ass_ole I'm just replying in kind to the absurd replies.

Iowanian
04-13-2009, 03:12 PM
Yeah....I'm sure everyone would line up to tell you that I'm a "left wing extremist".


It should tell you how much of a cockholster you're being if you can actually get me to agree with some of these same posters on anything.

Amnorix
04-13-2009, 03:13 PM
Actually ass_ole I'm just replying in kind to the absurd replies.

Clearly. Yours is the voice of reason, dragged down against your will by the illiterate, uncouth degenerates with whom you do righteous battle.

Iowanian
04-13-2009, 03:14 PM
goatsegoatse

you're THAT big of an exposed anus.

Amnorix
04-13-2009, 03:15 PM
Yeah....I'm sure everyone would line up to tell you that I'm a "left wing extremist".


It should tell you how much of a cockholster you're being if you can actually get me to agree with some of these same posters on anything.


ROFLROFLROFL

Iowanian
04-13-2009, 03:18 PM
Water is wet-Iowanian
NO IT IS NOT-Banyon
YES IT IS!
NO ITS NOT!
Goatsegoatse is acting like a huge DOOOOOSHER-Banyon
YES HE Certainly is-Iowanian.

File that under "shit you don't see every day"

googlegoogle
04-13-2009, 03:31 PM
Water is wet-Iowanian
NO IT IS NOT-Banyon
YES IT IS!
NO ITS NOT!
Goatsegoatse is acting like a huge DOOOOOSHER-Banyon
YES HE Certainly is-Iowanian.

File that under "shit you don't see every day"


So cute.

I think you we're abused in school.

googlegoogle
04-13-2009, 03:33 PM
Yeah....I'm sure everyone would line up to tell you that I'm a "left wing extremist".


It should tell you how much of a cockholster you're being if you can actually get me to agree with some of these same posters on anything.

I reply exactly with same absurdity as the replier. What do you not get?:rolleyes:

Iowanian
04-13-2009, 03:35 PM
Have you been sniffing chinese paint or something?



I think you we're abused in school.

It kind of looks like you could have spent a little additional time with the SRA cards at Smokecrackistan RIII jr-sr high.

googlegoogle
04-13-2009, 03:50 PM
Have you been sniffing chinese paint or something?



It kind of looks like you could have spent a little additional time with the SRA cards at Smokecrackistan RIII jr-sr high.

Ok. I don't spell check and used "we're ".

You got me so good!:rolleyes:

Iowanian
04-13-2009, 03:55 PM
I've got a preview of a verbal scrimmage between myself and you, in a form that I think even YOUYOU might be able to comprehend.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01382/polar1-460_1382871c.jpg

In this thread, you look like you've rolled in Seal meat and done a cannon ball into this thread. You're dumberdumber than this fatfat chicchic.

googlegoogle
04-13-2009, 04:01 PM
I've got a preview of a verbal scrimmage between myself and you, in a form that I think even YOUYOU might be able to comprehend.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01382/polar1-460_1382871c.jpg

In this thread, you look like you've rolled in Seal meat and done a cannon ball into this thread. You're dumberdumber than this fatfat chicchic.

Spelling Nazis amuse me. Is this best you can do?

Like I said. Something must be missing in REAL LIFE for you to post like Mayor of Munchkinland.

http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj370/blueberry62/Wizard-of-Oz-w16munchkinland.jpg

Read you like an open book. Thin pip squeak that doesn't have a woman or a life except this board.

Iowanian
04-13-2009, 04:02 PM
You couldn't be more wrong if you filled your anus full of gas and farted on a brush fire.

googlegoogle
04-13-2009, 04:19 PM
You couldn't be more wrong if you filled your anus full of gas and farted on a brush fire.

ROFL

And how far has anus been stretched by your man?

:D

Iowanian
04-13-2009, 04:21 PM
You know googlegoogle is a dumbass when a thread about Somali pirates killed for holding an American hostage takes a turn where THEY aren't the biggest dumbass in the discussion.

Congratulations on your achievement.

Calcountry
04-13-2009, 04:32 PM
More than likely, Obama authorized this quite a while ago and left it to the local commanders to decide when to act. That's the way it should be. I don't see how we can complain about the results. This was an easy call, but Obama deserves credit for making it. I fear that there will be plenty of opportunities to criticize the man for poor foreign policy / defense decisions in the future, but for now give credit where credit is due.My sentiments exactly. The President deserves props for having the guts to make the call. I am glad for the Captain, and more importantly the country, that it worked out well .

googlegoogle
04-13-2009, 04:36 PM
You know googlegoogle is a dumbass when a thread about Somali pirates killed for holding an American hostage takes a turn where THEY aren't the biggest dumbass in the discussion.

Congratulations on your achievement.

Oh lord. You're a sensitive one.

mlyonsd
04-13-2009, 04:39 PM
Oh lord. You're a sensitive one.

That might be the funniest post in the thread.

banyon
04-13-2009, 05:33 PM
Ok. I don't spell check and used "we're ".

You got me so good!:rolleyes:

That's called poor grammar, not spelling. You know, like the people you don't like who can't speak english very well either. Maybe you have more in common with them than you thought.

Sully
04-13-2009, 06:01 PM
I don't like spearchucking raghead islamofacist Somalis you bleeding heart lib.

I can see it offends you. Boo fuc**ing HOO.

ROFL

You are a treat.

Iowanian
04-13-2009, 07:13 PM
I've been called alot of names over the years, but I have to admit, its a rare occasion that "overly sensitive" are paired when directed at my posts.

that is high end irony.

googlegoogle
04-13-2009, 07:54 PM
I've been called alot of names over the years, but I have to admit, its a rare occasion that "overly sensitive" are paired when directed at my posts.

that is high end irony.

Dude, why talk like -

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_9vJDQnQBvC4/SE8v807odqI/AAAAAAAAABw/fk9ikbwDoMw/s320/spock.jpg

Iowanian
04-13-2009, 07:58 PM
Your message is muffled because you talk like
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v123/dos0711/head_up_your_ass2.jpg

googlegoogle
04-13-2009, 08:06 PM
That's called poor grammar, not spelling. You know, like the people you don't like who can't speak english very well either. Maybe you have more in common with them than you thought.

I speak English real well. Thanks.

Maybe someday you could put down a logical thought.

googlegoogle
04-13-2009, 08:10 PM
Your message is muffled because you talk like
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v123/dos0711/head_up_your_ass2.jpg

Hey another clip and paste! Very very innovative. never seen that done before.

It's alright bro. We know you're a Trekkie and like to play with your computer on the weekends.

Look. I'm you. "You will be assimilated". How's that. I'm talking like you.

Nerdpower bro!

http://foodcourtlunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/nerd.jpg

banyon
04-13-2009, 10:28 PM
I speak English real well. Thanks.

Maybe someday you could put down a logical thought.

Actually, it's "really" well, and no, you don't.

Adept Havelock
04-14-2009, 06:29 AM
Actually, it's "really" well, and no, you don't.

True.


Neither can embellishments of language be found without arrangement and expression of thoughts, nor can thoughts be made to shine without the light of language.


As I said a few months ago about a politico, googlegoogle is a spectacular failure on both counts. :shrug: