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Raised On Riots
04-08-2009, 11:04 AM
Swapping Spots Big Part of Draft

Apr 08, 2009, 9:20:50 AM by Bob Gretz (http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/bob_gretz/) - FAQ (http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2004/01/19/bob_gretz_faq/)


There is no defining moment when it became popular in the NFL to swap draft picks. But there’s no question that in recent years more and more picks are changing hands.
Take last year. There were a possible 256 selections in the 2008 NFL Draft. Two picks were wiped out by league sanctions against New England (1st round) and San Francisco (5th) for various league infractions. Two more choices had been used the year before in the supplemental draft by San Diego (4th) and Baltimore (5th).
So that left 252 drafting slots. Now, 32 of those could not be traded because they were compensatory choices, added at the end of rounds three through seven as payment to teams for losses in free agency.
Meaning there were 220 draft choices that could have been traded last year. By the time the two-day selection meeting was over 112 of those choices had changed hands at least once. Of that group, another 28 changed hands a second time and five changed teams three times. Here’s the number to remember: 51 percent of the selections were traded at some point.
The wheeling and dealing certainly has picked up in recent seasons. Go back to the start of this decade and the 2000 NFL Draft. The Houston Texans were not born yet and the Cleveland Browns were just getting back into the league and had been given extra choices in this draft. Overall, there were 222 choices that could be dealt in this draft. That year, 69 changed hands at least once. That was 31 percent of the choices.
The Chiefs have been right in the middle of that wheeling and dealing over the last few years. They’ve traded away 27 draft choices from 2000-08. And, they obtained 27 draft choices in those same years. Under Carl Peterson with head coaches Gunther Cunningham/Dick Vermeil/Herm Edwards, the Chiefs.
But compared to the New England Patriots, the Chiefs weren’t very active at all. More on that later.
In just those nine years, the Chiefs used draft picks in trades to pick up players like TE Mitch Jacoby (’00/6th round), QB Trent Green (’01/1st), QB Joe Germaine (’02/6th), OT Willie Roaf (’03/3rd), G-T John Welbourn (’04/5th & ‘05/3rd), CB Pat Surtain (’05/2nd & swap of 5ths), DE Carlos Hall (’05/5th), RB Michael Bennett (’07/4th). Obviously the trades for Green, Roaf and Surtain worked out; the others not so much.
They picked up draft choices by trading players like G Brenden Stai (’01/4th from Jacksonville), DE R-Kal Truluck (’05/5th & 6th from Green Bay), CB Derek Combs (’05/7th from Green Bay), LB Scott Fujita (’06/6th from Dallas), WR Dante Hall (’07/swap of 3rds & 5th from St. Louis), DE Jared Allen (’08/1st, two 3rds and a 6th from Minnesota), RB Michael Bennett (’08/6th from Tampa Bay), QB Trent Green (’08/5th from Miami) and K Lawrence Tynes (’08/7th from New York Giants). The fact the Chiefs got choices for players like Stai, Combs and Tynes is nothing short of remarkable.
The Chiefs traded up to get Ryan Sims in the first round of the 2002 Draft. Not so good there. They swapped their first and third-round picks, and gave up a fifth-round selection last year to move up in the first round to grab LT Branden Albert. That looks like a good move after Albert’s rookie season.
They traded down in the 2003 Draft and picked up Larry Johnson and draft choices that brought CB Julian Battle and OT Jordan Black to the team. Obviously, getting Johnson was good, the other two guys not so much. They traded down the next year out of the first round, giving up the 30th choice in a trade with Detroit and getting the 36th, 105th and 162nd picks in the deal. They used those to draft DT Junior Siavii, WR Samie Parker and sent the 162nd pick to Philadelphia in the Welbourn trade.
All this is germane – and we don’t mean joe – to the ‘09 Chiefs because the guy pulling the trigger this year is Scott Pioli. During his time working with Bill Parcells in building the New England Patriots, Pioli was part of many deals involving draft choices.
In the last nine drafts, the Patriots acquired 54 selections, while trading away 55 picks.
Belichick/Pioli made multiple deals in every draft but their first on with the Patriots in 2000. In the 2003 Draft alone, the Patriots:


Acquired: picks No. 13, 36, 41, 45, 75, 78, 117, 120, 154, 164, 201, 239, 243, DT Ted Washington and four choices in the 2004 Draft.
Dealt: picks No. 14, 19, 41, 50, 75, 78, 81, 120, 128, 140, 154, 157, 193, 225.

When the smoke cleared, the Patriots had Washington, 10 players selected in the ‘03 Draft including DT Ty Warren, CB Asante Samuel and C Dan Koppen, plus the four draft choices in ‘04. From those ‘04 picks New England got DT Vince Wilfork and picked up RB Corey Dillon in a trade.
All the evidence means this: expect some wheeling and dealing when it comes to the Chiefs and the 2009 NFL Draft. It’s the way of the league.:eek:

beach tribe
04-08-2009, 11:06 AM
Like he knows a damn thing more than you or I.

RustShack
04-08-2009, 11:09 AM
Wheeling and Dealing!

Raised On Riots
04-08-2009, 11:22 AM
Like he knows a damn thing more than you or I.

Um, he does have more access than the rest of the press, yes?

beach tribe
04-08-2009, 11:28 AM
Um, he does have more access than the rest of the press, yes?

From what I can tell, and from what the Pioli regime has shown, he knows dick.

raybec 4
04-08-2009, 11:38 AM
From what I can tell, and from what the Pioli regime has shown, he knows dick.

Dick and cheeseburgers, at least give him credit for that.

Raised On Riots
04-08-2009, 11:48 AM
From what I can tell, and from what the Pioli regime has shown, he knows dick.

Maybe he's just a good little soldier, but must feed his ego too. Its like WW2 newspaper military coding and messaging.
Know the code, know the message.

beach tribe
04-08-2009, 11:50 AM
Maybe he's just a good little soldier, but must feed his ego too. Its like WW2 newspaper military coding and messaging.
Know the code, know the message.

Maybe you have an overactive imagination.

Know the Blob, he has no message.

Raised On Riots
04-08-2009, 01:05 PM
From what I can tell, and from what the Pioli regime has shown, he knows dick.

He certainly knows how to suck one.

Raised On Riots
04-08-2009, 01:06 PM
Maybe you have an overactive imagination.

Know the Blob, he has no message.

Sure he does! "Carl was awesome". Didn't you get the decade-plus memo?

And bitch better have my 35K when Sanchez starts kicking ass and taking names!

Tiger's Fan
04-08-2009, 02:45 PM
Who gave this fucking moron thread starting privileges back? It's bad enough that he's allowed to post at all. All my casino cash to the mod that fixes this mistake. JFC

Mecca
04-08-2009, 02:54 PM
I have a better question..

Does Buster post anything that isn't "I don't like such and such" or "Such and such sucks"

raybec 4
04-08-2009, 02:56 PM
Who gave this fucking moron thread starting privileges back? It's bad enough that he's allowed to post at all. All my casino cash to the mod that fixes this mistake. JFC

You've got a lot of rage built up there buddy, try some xanax, or maybe a valium. Just a suggestion

Raised On Riots
04-08-2009, 05:06 PM
I have a better question..

Does Buster post anything that isn't "I don't like such and such" or "Such and such sucks"

No. He's a completely useless sack of mule sweat that makes Hootie look like pleasant company, and I relish his pain and suffering everytime he bitches about me.

I have him on ignore and it's quite fabulous. I don't have to look at his shit unless I choose, but he HAS to look at mine.

Pretty fuckin' sweet.

Tiger's Fan
04-08-2009, 06:56 PM
I have a better question..

Does Buster post anything that isn't "I don't like such and such" or "Such and such sucks"

You mean like you and anyone on the Chiefs roster?

It figures you'd be buddies with this tool. Maybe you can get him to teach you grammar and spelling. He's an idiot, but he knows the english language.

crazycoffey
04-08-2009, 08:27 PM
He certainly knows how to suck one.


mmmm, if you want to share sexual homographic stories with Hootie, can you possibly do it somewhere else? NTTAWWT

Raised On Riots
04-08-2009, 08:54 PM
mmmm, if you want to share sexual homographic stories with Hootie, can you possibly do it somewhere else? NTTAWWT

Hootie's getting a little too weird for even me. He's going on and on about banging 15 year-olds and such; quite disturbing.

And then there's his proclivity for the penis which he's also going on and on about in his gay thread.

The thread he started. Which would again be his creation/his thread.

Seeing as how this is MY thread, I think I'll just discuss whatever the fuck I please.

In MY thread.