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googlegoogle
04-08-2009, 05:34 PM
Put a phillips head right through my hand. Punctured it. Yellow stuff came out of the hole. Think it was fat. :eek: Hope i don't need stitches. this happened before with phillip screws. They also strip alot. should be banned. Allen wrenches are way better. Canadians use square end wrenches.

rad
04-08-2009, 05:36 PM
Some people shouldn't use power tools.

KcMizzou
04-08-2009, 05:37 PM
:spock:

BigMeatballDave
04-08-2009, 05:38 PM
Sounds like operator error. Flat head screw drivers are far worse.

Pestilence
04-08-2009, 05:43 PM
Karma is a bitch.

Dr. Facebook Fever
04-08-2009, 05:44 PM
I was just sitting here comtemplating which type of screw is the best and this settles it. Phillips all the way.

mikeyis4dcats.
04-08-2009, 05:46 PM
you do realize a philips head and flat head (and Torx and Robertson and star and...) screw are all pointy on the end right?

SNR
04-08-2009, 05:49 PM
Did you remove your hand from the top of the screw before you started using the screwdriver?

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-08-2009, 05:49 PM
JFC :Lin:, I'm eating here.

kstater
04-08-2009, 05:50 PM
Future Darwin award winner.

MIAdragon
04-08-2009, 05:55 PM
Self lipo is never a good idea

wild1
04-08-2009, 05:55 PM
i hate the regular ones

Buck
04-08-2009, 05:57 PM
Yeah, they always strip.

I Like flat head too, becuase I have yet to strip one, I don't see the downfalls of them though, as BigChiefDave mentions

MIAdragon
04-08-2009, 06:00 PM
Yeah, they always strip.

I Like flat head too, becuase I have yet to strip one, I don't see the downfalls of them though, as BigChiefDave mentions

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rad
04-08-2009, 06:02 PM
I was just sitting here comtemplating which type of screw is the best and this settles it. Phillips all the way.

I would say your mom......

allen_kcCard
04-08-2009, 06:38 PM
I've always wanted to see a flat head screw with ends on it...I like the gripping of the flat, but it likes to slide out the side...if there was an end, then that wouldn't be a problem, just the need for drivers that fit in the space.

googlegoogle
04-08-2009, 06:44 PM
I've always wanted to see a flat head screw with ends on it...I like the gripping of the flat, but it likes to slide out the side...if there was an end, then that wouldn't be a problem, just the need for drivers that fit in the space.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screw middle right of page.I didn't know there were that many. Never see any of them usually.

Baconeater
04-08-2009, 06:55 PM
Sounds like operator error. Flat head screw drivers are far worse.
This.


Yeah, they always strip.

I Like flat head too, becuase I have yet to strip one, I don't see the downfalls of them though, as BigChiefDave mentions
You can't put anywhere near the torque on a flat head screw.

cabletech94
04-08-2009, 07:16 PM
Also depends on how durable some screws are.

oh, this is too easy.

CrazyPhuD
04-08-2009, 07:53 PM
Should have used some antifreeze. I hear it makes a good antiseptic and also a fine painkiller!

crazycoffey
04-08-2009, 08:00 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screw middle right of page.I didn't know there were that many. Never see any of them usually.


I don't see it.... looks like a phillips with tapered sides

morphius
04-08-2009, 08:00 PM
Yeah, they always strip.

I Like flat head too, becuase I have yet to strip one, I don't see the downfalls of them though, as BigChiefDave mentions
I've stripped them both, but never stabbed myself with either. I hate regular, hate, hate, hate, especially if they have been in place for years, you just can't get enough on them and keep them in the slot.

cdcox
04-08-2009, 08:14 PM
I hate regular, hate, hate, hate, especially if they have been in place for years, you just can't get enough on them and keep them in the slot.

You give far too much credit to regular (flat head) screws.

crazycoffey
04-08-2009, 08:20 PM
I swear to god, if this turns into an arguement about straight / phillips heads screws, I'm going to shoot my teacher for the 12th time.....

stevieray
04-08-2009, 08:22 PM
I've stripped them both, but never stabbed myself with either. I hate regular, hate, hate, hate, especially if they have been in place for years, you just can't get enough on them and keep them in the slot.

olllllllllllllllllllld flat head screws on door hinges...

:banghead:

Groves
04-08-2009, 08:51 PM
You can't put anywhere near the torque on a flat head screw.

I'm with you on the general hatred of straight slot screws, but not being able to put torque on them is flat out not correct.

The phillips was actually designed to limit torque, and to "cam out" if excessive torque is applied. The stripping of screws that we all hate is by design.

The secret to using slotted screws is to use a screwdriver that actually fits them correctly. The caveat to that rule is that most modern (cheap) screws are made such that no screwdriver exists to fit them correctly.

I think we can all see the superiority of the square drive and torx. Henry Ford was all set to use square drives in his cars at the beginning, but the canadian fellow (robertson) who owned the patent was going to make ol Henry pay to use the design. Ford wasn't into systems that he couldn't control, so he went with the phillips design instead.

We've been hating them ever since.

cdcox
04-08-2009, 08:55 PM
Okay, I have this on my list of minor tools to acquire. Anyone have any real life experience with it?

http://www.4grabit.com/Default.asp?gclid=CNPevujl4pkCFQVinAodcx2fQg&bhcp=1

Marcellus
04-08-2009, 09:03 PM
This thread is useless without pics.

prhom
04-08-2009, 09:05 PM
Does anyone know why they use the square drive aluminum screws for putting up vinyl fencing? I can see that the square drive has a lot of torque, but all that does for an aluminum screw is strip it out really fast once it sets.

LaChapelle
04-08-2009, 09:17 PM
This is not what they meant when they called them self tapping screws.

Baconeater
04-08-2009, 09:20 PM
Does anyone know why they use the square drive aluminum screws for putting up vinyl fencing? I can see that the square drive has a lot of torque, but all that does for an aluminum screw is strip it out really fast once it sets.
Aluminum doesn't rust.

googlegoogle
04-08-2009, 09:21 PM
Does anyone know why they use the square drive aluminum screws for putting up vinyl fencing? I can see that the square drive has a lot of torque, but all that does for an aluminum screw is strip it out really fast once it sets.

They wouldn't use them if they stripped easily. Aluminum can be heat treated. Not the same as soft aluminum.

Crush
04-08-2009, 09:30 PM
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Demonpenz
04-08-2009, 10:10 PM
I heard dane walked in on bob villa getting a handjob at a home fair one time, said he was surprised he had gold screw nipple piercings

rad
04-08-2009, 11:41 PM
The secret to loosening screws that have been in a while is to tighten a tad before loosening.

PRIEST
04-09-2009, 06:57 AM
Some people shouldn't use power tools.



THIS





Now flat head screw outlaw that POS

Bwana
04-09-2009, 07:15 AM
I have seen numerous people on here tell you to "go screw yourself." I'm not sure this is what they had in mind.

Iowanian
04-09-2009, 08:50 AM
flat screws < Phillips head screws < torque head screws


Each have their place in the food chain and are better in certain circumstances.

jAZ
04-09-2009, 08:59 AM
Flat head screws suck ass.

jimhitter
04-09-2009, 10:12 AM
What kind of screw was this besides phillips? I would think drywall or deck screw. Switch to either torx or square drive to get more torque. Get a screw with a auger point or drill point. Previous poster was correct, phillips is designed to strip if torqued too much.

StcChief
04-09-2009, 11:36 AM
Sounds like operator error. Flat head screw drivers are far worse.no doubt. I'd use a phillips or other multi-surface screw anyday over a flathead.

JASONSAUTO
04-09-2009, 11:41 AM
no doubt. I'd use a phillips or other multi-surface screw anyday over a flathead.

how do you remove a stripped phillips head screw?

Extra Point
04-09-2009, 11:48 AM
The trick is matching the point of the phillips screw (1.2, or 3 point). Tapping the screwdriver with a mallet can help loosen the fastener. Sorry about your lipo incident.

vailpass
04-09-2009, 11:48 AM
how do you remove a stripped phillips head screw?

Drill bit.

JASONSAUTO
04-09-2009, 11:49 AM
The trick is matching the point of the phillips screw (1.2, or 3 point). Tapping the screwdriver with a mallet can help loosen the fastener. Sorry about your lipo incident.

yep an impact screw driver works great.

JASONSAUTO
04-09-2009, 11:50 AM
Drill bit.

maybe, i usually try to take a cutoff tool and cut a deep straight line across the head and use the impact driver on it. works 80% (or better)

jimhitter
04-09-2009, 01:11 PM
maybe, i usually try to take a cutoff tool and cut a deep straight line across the head and use the impact driver on it. works 80% (or better)

Use a left hand drill bit and or a screw extractor. Impact drivers also will help with stripping phillips drives, it's good to have one with variable speed.

vailpass
04-09-2009, 01:13 PM
maybe, i usually try to take a cutoff tool and cut a deep straight line across the head and use the impact driver on it. works 80% (or better)

I'm usre you are right.
You are an industrial strength user, I am only the home-strength variety.

JASONSAUTO
04-09-2009, 02:23 PM
Use a left hand drill bit and or a screw extractor. Impact drivers also will help with stripping phillips drives, it's good to have one with variable speed.

No a manual impact driver. you hit it with a hammer. can buy one with bits for around $20