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RustShack
04-09-2009, 04:45 PM
Of the players in this years draft, who would have been high picks last year?

Honestly I think Stafford and Crabtree are the only two who could have been.

doomy3
04-09-2009, 04:46 PM
I really think the tackles would have been right at the top, too

RustShack
04-09-2009, 04:48 PM
It would be interesting to see if someone wants to try putting up a top 10-20 using this year and last years players... just to kinda gage this years talent.

SBK
04-09-2009, 04:49 PM
You never know with the LT's and QB's. Last year the Dolphins, Rams and Chiefs all could have benefited from a QB in the top 5. Atlanta is the only one that drafted one, but had Ryan, Stafford, Sanchez and Flacco been considered the top QB's of the draft you never know.

Saccopoo
04-09-2009, 06:47 PM
Here is a list of the Top 20 from 2008, with their 2009 counterparts listed below each player:

1. Chris Long, DE; Virginia
- Matt Stafford, QB; Georgia

2. Glenn Dorsey, DT; LSU
- Aaron Curry, LB; Wake Forest

3. Darren McFadden, RB; Arkansas
- Jason Smith, OT; Baylor

4. Jake Long, OT; Michigan
- Michael Crabtree, WR; Texas Tech

5. Vernon Gholston, DE; Ohio State
- Eugene Monroe, OT; Virginia

6. Sedrick Ellis, DE; USC
- BJ Raji, DT; Boston College

7. Matt Ryan, QB; Boston College
- Malcom Jenkins, CB; Ohio State

8. Ryan Clady, OT; Boise State
- Brian Orakpo, DE; Texas

9. Keith Rivers, OLB; USC
- Jeremy Maclin, WR; Missouri

10. Rashard Mendenhall, RB; Wisconsin
- Beanie Wells, RB; Ohio State

11. Brian Brohm, QB; Louisville
- Michael Oher, OT; Ole Miss

12. Dan Connor, ILB; Penn State
- Mark Sanchez, QB; USC

13. Mike Jenkins, CB; South Florida
- Brandon Pettigrew, TE; Oklahoma State

14. Johathan Stewart, RB; Oregon
- Andre Smith, OT; Alabama

15. Derrick Harvey, DE; Florida
- Vontae Davis, CB; Illinois

16. Dominique Cromartie, CB; Tennessee State
- Everette Brown, DE; Florida State

17. Chris Williams, OT; Vanderbilt
- Rey Maualuga, ILB; USC

18. Phillip Merling, DE; Clemson
- Percy Harvin, WR; Florida

19. Devin Thomas, WR; Michigan State
- Tyson Jackson, DE; LSU

20. DeSean Jackson, WR; California
- Brian Cushing, OLB; USC

Mecca
04-09-2009, 06:50 PM
It's because of the positions people are looking at for this team...

The LT position is better on top, Smith and Monroe are both better prospects than Jake Long. If you put Ryan in the same class with Stafford and Sanchez they are all rated right together.

KCrockaholic
04-09-2009, 09:28 PM
This class is very sad in general. 2010 will be awesome though. I would say this is a good year for WR's TE's and LB's. other than those positions. This draft sucks overall.

Mecca
04-09-2009, 09:31 PM
Um the draft isn't really any different than usual it's just that the positions people want the Chiefs to pick don't have an elite guy so now we get "this draft sucks"

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-09-2009, 09:37 PM
This class is very sad in general. 2010 will be awesome though. I would say this is a good year for WR's TE's and LB's. other than those positions. This draft sucks overall.

And probably the best year you could ever have for O-linemen.

ChiefsCountry
04-09-2009, 09:38 PM
And probably the best year you could ever have for O-linemen.

Pretty good for linebackers as well.

DaneMcCloud
04-09-2009, 09:39 PM
And probably the best year you could ever have for O-linemen.

This

Mecca
04-09-2009, 09:40 PM
This is why people are saying this...it's the things worthy of a top 5 pick..

Franchise QB, there's possibly 2 but the Chiefs ruined that themselves...
Top flight LT, there are these but we don't need one.
Pass rushers, there aren't any.
Elite freak WR, there isn't one of those.

Hog Farmer
04-10-2009, 01:36 PM
Its amazing how great Chris Long and Vernon Gholston looked in last years draft and were not heard of during their rookie season.

KCrockaholic
04-10-2009, 01:50 PM
And probably the best year you could ever have for O-linemen.

this year? the tackles in this class are great, as well as the centers but not a single guard is worthy of a a top 50 choice.

Tribal Warfare
04-10-2009, 01:53 PM
this year? the tackles in this class are great, as well as the centers but not a single guard is worthy of a a top 50 choice.

Duke Robinson could be in that range

KCrockaholic
04-10-2009, 02:36 PM
Duke Robinson could be in that range

hes close, but hes the only one even in the ballpark.

SBK
04-10-2009, 04:10 PM
Its amazing how great Chris Long and Vernon Gholston looked in last years draft and were not heard of during their rookie season.

Same for Glenn Dorsey. Defensive lineman are never heard from in their rookie years.

bdeg
04-10-2009, 04:22 PM
If you were to throw all this year's players into last year's draft, I think this is how it goes:
MIA: J. Smith
STL: Monroe(I think if STL picks 1st they still take Monroe)
ATL: Ryan
OAK: C. Long
KC: J. Long
NYJ: Stafford
NO: Dorsey
CIN: Orakpo
NE: E. Brown

DaneMcCloud
04-10-2009, 04:32 PM
this year? the tackles in this class are great, as well as the centers but not a single guard is worthy of a a top 50 choice.

Except that many of those centers would be very good guards as well.

Guard is a position that a top 50 choice rarely warrants. Those guys can be found well past the third round.

Mecca
04-10-2009, 05:57 PM
If you were to throw all this year's players into last year's draft, I think this is how it goes:
MIA: J. Smith
STL: Monroe(I think if STL picks 1st they still take Monroe)
ATL: Ryan
OAK: C. Long
KC: J. Long
NYJ: Stafford
NO: Dorsey
CIN: Orakpo
NE: E. Brown

Maybe it's just me but Brian Orakpo does not belong that high...and if we're going on just draft status there's no way he gets picked ahead of Gholston.

Saccopoo
04-10-2009, 06:26 PM
Its amazing how great Chris Long and Vernon Gholston looked in last years draft and were not heard of during their rookie season.

What I find interesting is that there were some who felt that Clint Sintim was every bit the player that Chris Long was last year and some thought that he was even better, but nobody seems to be talking about Sintim, a guy who led all linebackers in sacks last year.

Regardless of my insane hyperbole on the draft here of late, I'm hoping that the Chiefs trade down out of the #3 spot and give themselves a legit shot at Sintim, who is, IMHO, the best pure ROLB in this draft and has a chance to be a very good player for a long time in the pros. If we could get Sintim and a couple extra picks, I'd be ecstatic.

Mecca
04-10-2009, 06:57 PM
It's because Sintim ran a blah 40 and is a 3-4 player and nothing else so he isn't going to be rated as high as guys who can play in both schemes.

JASONSAUTO
04-10-2009, 07:05 PM
Same for Glenn Dorsey. Defensive lineman are never heard from in their rookie years.

:shake: jared allen had 9 sacks tamba had 8 as rookies, defensive TACKLES arent heard from much but ends???

Mecca
04-10-2009, 07:06 PM
Depends what kind of end you draft...Allen honestly was surprising. Some guys like Hali for example was a near finished product so he was expected to be decent out of the gate his issue is the lack of top upside which has become apparent now.

That's different than drafting guys like Mario Williams or Osi Umeyiora who are freaks that need a bit of time to learn their position.

JASONSAUTO
04-10-2009, 07:08 PM
Depends what kind of end you draft...Allen honestly was surprising. Some guys like Hali for example was a near finished product so he was expected to be decent out of the gate his issue is the lack of top upside which has become apparent now.

That's different than drafting guys like Mario Williams or Osi Umeyiora who are freaks that need a bit of time to learn their position.


youre right except he said d-linemen were NEVER heard from their 1st year, i threw out the first 2 i could think of off the top of my head.

Mecca
04-10-2009, 07:13 PM
Mario Williams had 4 sacks his first year and people were all down on him.

JASONSAUTO
04-10-2009, 07:39 PM
Mario Williams had 4 sacks his first year and people were all down on him.

ROFL still has nothing to do with what was said

Mecca
04-10-2009, 07:41 PM
It's generally a position where guys aren't awesome right away...it's not LB or RB which are easy positions to step into.

JASONSAUTO
04-10-2009, 07:45 PM
It's generally a position where guys aren't awesome right away...it's not LB or RB which are easy positions to step into.

mecca..... i understand that, he said NEVER. thats not true(not even close)

SBK
04-10-2009, 11:26 PM
:shake: jared allen had 9 sacks tamba had 8 as rookies, defensive TACKLES arent heard from much but ends???

You showed me, you're such a badass.

See post #24, that's what I was talking about.

But yes, DT's never do anything, and in the same vein rookie DE's rarely do much either.

SBK
04-11-2009, 12:03 AM
mecca..... i understand that, he said NEVER. thats not true(not even close)

So out of the thousands of DE's that have played as rookies you entered 2 as your evidence of how stupid I am?

KCrockaholic
04-11-2009, 12:24 AM
:shake: jared allen had 9 sacks tamba had 8 as rookies, defensive TACKLES arent heard from much but ends???

IDK ive always believed that DL (DT or DE) always take a year to 2 years to fully grow into their potential. Ends hardly ever do anything their rookie year. your lucky to ever hit 10 sacks with a rookie.

bdeg
04-11-2009, 09:09 AM
Maybe it's just me but Brian Orakpo does not belong that high...and if we're going on just draft status there's no way he gets picked ahead of Gholston.

You know I'm not a fan of Orakpo, either, but some team will be. But ya, good chance Gholston goes first now that I think about it. I must've been subconsciously discounting him because of last season. He probably would've gone to Cinci.

JASONSAUTO
04-11-2009, 09:12 AM
You showed me, you're such a badass.

See post #24, that's what I was talking about.

But yes, DT's never do anything, and in the same vein rookie DE's rarely do much either.

i wasnt trying to show you shit or be a badass, just saying NEVER is pretty strong, if what you meant was what mecca said you should have said it

JASONSAUTO
04-11-2009, 09:14 AM
So out of the thousands of DE's that have played as rookies you entered 2 as your evidence of how stupid I am?

ROFL WOW are you THAT insecure??? i already stated that i just threw out the two i could think of off the top. i'm sure i could find some more. dont feel like looking it up to prove it though. and BTW did i ever say how stupid you are??