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HonestChieffan
04-10-2009, 10:43 AM
Bad when Bush did it. Good when Obama does it. More of the Change?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30140288/


updated 3:55 p.m. CT, Thurs., April 9, 2009
WASHINGTON - President Barack Obama is seeking $83.4 billion for U.S. military and diplomatic operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, pressing for special troop funding that he opposed two years ago when he was a senator and George W. Bush was president.

Obama's request, including money to send thousands more troops into Afghanistan, would push the costs of the two wars to almost $1 trillion since the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks against the United States, according to the Congressional Research Service. The additional money would cover operations into the latter months of this year.

Obama also is requesting $400 million to upgrade security along the U.S.-Mexico border and to combat narcoterrorists.

Budget office spokesman Tom Gavin said the White House would send an official request to Congress Thursday afternoon. Congressional aides who had been briefed on the request revealed its overall cost in advance.

Robert Gibbs, the White House press secretary, acknowledged that Obama had been critical of Bush's use of similar special legislation to pay for the wars. He said it was needed this time because the money will be required by summer, before Congress is likely to complete its normal appropriations process.

"This will be the last supplemental for Iraq and Afghanistan. The process by which this has been funded over the course of the past many years, the president has discussed and will change," Gibbs said.

He said the measure is required to pay for the new strategy in Afghanistan and the drawdown of combat troops in Iraq. The White House plans for future war expenses to be part of the annual legislation appropriating money for the Defense Department.

Obama was a harsh critic of the Iraq war as a presidential candidate, which attracted support from the Democratic Party's liberal base and helped him secure the party's nomination. He opposed two infusions of war money in 2007 after Bush used a veto to force Congress to remove a withdrawal time line from the $99 billion measure.

He supported a war funding bill last year that also included about $25 billion for domestic programs. Obama also voted for war funding in 2006, before he announced his candidacy for president.

The coming request will include $75.8 billion for the military and more than $7 billion in foreign aid. Pakistan, a key ally in the fight against al-Qaida, will receive $400 million in aid to combat insurgents.

The coming debate in Congress is likely to provide an early test of Obama's efforts to remake the Pentagon and its much-criticized weapons procurement system. He is requesting four F-22 fighter jets costing about $600 million as part of the war funding package but wants to shut the F-22 program down after that.

The special measure would include $3.6 billion for the Afghanistan National Army.

The White House wants the bill for the president's signature by Memorial Day, May 25, said a Democratic aide in the House of Representatives.


Obama announced plans in February to withdraw U.S. troops from Iraq on a 19-month timetable, with the last service members out of Iraq by the end of 2011.

His new request would push the war money approved for 2009 to about $150 billion. The totals were $171 billion for 2007 and $188 billion for 2008, the year Bush increased the tempo of military operations in a generally successful effort to quell the Iraq insurgency.

Deberg_1990
04-10-2009, 12:17 PM
Didnt Obama get elected for one thing: Change ??

patteeu
04-10-2009, 01:22 PM
Didnt Obama get elected for one thing: Change ??

Change is always just around the corner with this guy.

Amnorix
04-10-2009, 01:29 PM
Change is always just around the corner with this guy.

So you like him as much as you like Bush then? If nothing's changed....?

Glad to hear he'll have your vote for reelection.

Cannibal
04-10-2009, 01:30 PM
So you like him as much as you like Bush then? If nothing's changed....?

Glad to hear he'll have your vote for reelection.

ROFL Nice...

patteeu
04-10-2009, 01:45 PM
So you like him as much as you like Bush then? If nothing's changed....?

Glad to hear he'll have your vote for reelection.

There are definitely things I like so far (continuing to reserve the right to use harsh interrogation techniques, continuing to stay in Iraq, continuing to use predator strikes in Pakistan, continuing the terrorist surveillance program, etc.). I just don't trust him to do the right thing over the long haul because, prior to his election, he was so outspoken against many of the things he now seems inclined to continue.

I doubt that he'll get my vote though. So far, his domestic policies are horrible and he's a diplomatic failure AFAIC.

HonestChieffan
04-10-2009, 01:56 PM
Heck I wanted Change just not the changes we are getting. And for that matter I suspect a lot of Obama voters feel much the same.

SBK
04-10-2009, 02:57 PM
Didnt Obama get elected for one thing: Change ??

No, he was elected for 2 things. You forgot hope.

El Jefe
04-10-2009, 02:58 PM
So you like him as much as you like Bush then? If nothing's changed....?

Glad to hear he'll have your vote for reelection.

Personally, I'd rather slit my wrists with a plastic spoon then vote for this clown, and No I didn't vote for him this time. He won't stand a chance for a
2nd term. So many people are jumping ship now anyways.

Cannibal
04-10-2009, 03:09 PM
Personally, I'd rather slit my wrists with a plastic spoon then vote for this clown, and No I didn't vote for him this time. He won't stand a chance for a
2nd term. So many people are jumping ship now anyways.

OK fuknut... we'll see if this holds true.

SBK
04-10-2009, 03:11 PM
OK fuknut... we'll see if this holds true.

Bad economies lose elections. If the economy isn't good in 4 years Obama won't win.

Reaper16
04-10-2009, 03:13 PM
There are definitely things I like so far (continuing to reserve the right to use harsh interrogation techniques, continuing to stay in Iraq, continuing to use predator strikes in Pakistan, continuing the terrorist surveillance program, etc.). I just don't trust him to do the right thing over the long haul because, prior to his election, he was so outspoken against many of the things he now seems inclined to continue.

I doubt that he'll get my vote though. So far, his domestic policies are horrible and he's a diplomatic failure AFAIC.
There are things that you like so far, but you'd already put him in the top 10 worst presidents?

El Jefe
04-10-2009, 03:15 PM
OK fuknut... we'll see if this holds true.

Yes we will, if America is still here.

El Jefe
04-10-2009, 03:16 PM
Bad economies lose elections. If the economy isn't good in 4 years Obama won't win.

Don't try to reason with the Obots, it's a losing cause.

banyon
04-10-2009, 04:13 PM
Heck I wanted Change just not the changes we are getting. And for that matter I suspect a lot of Obama voters feel much the same.

Obama not shouting enough racist epithets for your taste?

If only David Duke...

jAZ
04-10-2009, 04:53 PM
Robert Gibbs, the White House press secretary, acknowledged that Obama had been critical of Bush's use of similar special legislation to pay for the wars. He said it was needed this time because the money will be required by summer, before Congress is likely to complete its normal appropriations process.

"This will be the last supplemental for Iraq and Afghanistan. The process by which this has been funded over the course of the past many years, the president has discussed and will change," Gibbs said.
Doesn't seem unreasonable.

KC Dan
04-10-2009, 04:56 PM
Robert Gibbs, the White House press secretary, acknowledged that Obama had been critical of Bush's use of similar special legislation to pay for the wars. He said it was needed this time because the money will be required by summer, before Congress is likely to complete its normal appropriations process.

"This will be the last supplemental for Iraq and Afghanistan. The process by which this has been funded over the course of the past many years, the president has discussed and will change," Gibbs said.

"But, not quite yet and I won't _ _ _ in your mouth!"

"Change you can believe in"... What a friggin' joke

WoodDraw
04-10-2009, 04:59 PM
"But, not quite yet and I won't _ _ _ in your mouth!"

"Change you can believe in"... What a friggin' joke

FTR, what do think Obama should have done here instead?

patteeu
04-10-2009, 05:09 PM
There are things that you like so far, but you'd already put him in the top 10 worst presidents?

I'd bet that I could find things to like about almost all of our presidents.

MadMax
04-11-2009, 12:44 AM
Bad economies lose elections. If the economy isn't good in 4 years Obama won't win.



You underestimate how many hypocritical retards can vote now. :rolleyes:

whatsmynameagain
04-11-2009, 09:50 AM
Don't try to reason with the Obots, it's a losing cause.

like in the election, bitch!

you have the, its my ball, im not sharing, stop looking at me attitude that my 5 year old niece has. too bad she cant vote or buy a gun......
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Rigodan
04-11-2009, 12:06 PM
Don't try to reason with the Obots, it's a losing cause.

like in the election, bitch!

Just because the general populace voted for him doesn't mean he's good for our country. The general populace is largely uninformed. The media these days is doing a terrible job providing us any truth about anything.