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Frankie
04-10-2009, 12:46 PM
I know Derrick Thomas was one. But with more and more talk about Aaron Curry as our potential pick I want to know who else justified his high pick as a linebacker.

(Where in the 1st did LT go, btw?)

orange
04-10-2009, 12:47 PM
LT went #1 I'm pretty sure.


[edit] After a quick check, he was actually #2 behind George Rogers (a running back - don't tell mecca).

DeezNutz
04-10-2009, 12:49 PM
There's little reason to revisit history because Curry is an historically impressive prospect, and his upside is far greater than any mere mortal to come before him.

Der Flöprer
04-10-2009, 12:50 PM
LT went #1 I'm pretty sure.


[edit] After a quick check, he was actually #2 behind George Rogers (a running back - don't tell mecca).

I thought he was 4 or 5. I'll have to google now.

RUSH
04-10-2009, 12:50 PM
LT went #2 and was a DE in college.

RustShack
04-10-2009, 12:50 PM
There's little reason to revisit history because Curry is an historically impressive prospect, and his upside is far greater than any mere mortal to come before him.

Whats funny is hes not even as good of a prospect as a DE last year ROFL

Der Flöprer
04-10-2009, 12:50 PM
LT went #1 I'm pretty sure.


[edit] After a quick check, he was actually #2 behind George Rogers (a running back - don't tell mecca).

I thought he was 4 or 5. I'll have to google now.

5th overall in 2001.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaDainian_Tomlinson

RustShack
04-10-2009, 12:51 PM
5th overall in 2001.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaDainian_Tomlinson

:doh!:

keg in kc
04-10-2009, 12:52 PM
5th overall in 2001.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaDainian_TomlinsonI thought he was undrafted.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Tynes

orange
04-10-2009, 12:52 PM
5th overall in 2001.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaDainian_Tomlinson

Good dance :clap:.

Der Flöprer
04-10-2009, 12:53 PM
HAHA I'm a dumbass. Don't mind me. The other LT................

Der Flöprer
04-10-2009, 12:54 PM
You guys are just making fun of me because I'm fat and I smoke. Fuckin racists.

phillip
04-10-2009, 12:54 PM
5th overall in 2001.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaDainian_Tomlinson

lol wtf?

keg in kc
04-10-2009, 12:57 PM
You guys are just making fun of me because I'm fat and I smoke. ****in racists.You smoke racists? As in shooting them, or blowing them?

Frankie
04-10-2009, 12:59 PM
There's little reason to revisit history because Curry is an historically impressive prospect, and his upside is far greater than any mere mortal to come before him.

I'm still hoping for a trade down. But if we stay, we will probably take Curry. I was very impressed about him at the combine. He looked quite athlethic, fast and agile. My only concern is his lack of sacks in college. Now I'm trying to convince myself that their defensive system perhaps did not require him to be a pass rusher and if asked, he could be good in that category. I hope I'm not fooling myself. Again with his speed and agility there's no reason he can't effectively pass rus.

orange
04-10-2009, 12:59 PM
Back to top five linebackers, the same draft that saw Lawrence Taylor go second had E.J. Junior go at #5 (13 year career, two pro-bowls).

jidar
04-10-2009, 12:59 PM
Here is every LB taken in the top 5 of the draft going back to 1980

2006
#5 Green Bay Packers A. J. Hawk

2000
#2 Washington Redskins LaVar Arrington

1997
#4 Baltimore Ravens Peter Boulware

1996
#2 Jacksonville Jaguars Kevin Hardy

1994
#4 New England Patriots Willie McGinest
#5 Indianapolis Colts Trev Alberts

1993
#4 New York Jets Marvin Jones

1992
#2 Indianapolis Colts Quentin Coryatt
1991
#4 Denver Broncos Mike Croel

1990
#4 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Keith McCants
#5 San Diego Chargers Junior Seau

1989
#4 Kansas City Chiefs Derrick Thomas

1988
#1 Atlanta Falcons Aundray Bruce

1987
#2 Indianapolis Colts Cornelius Bennett

1986
#5 St. Louis Cardinals Anthony Bell

1985
#5 Indianapolis Colts Duane Bickett

1984
#3 New York Giants Carl Banks Outside

1983
#5 San Diego Chargers Billy Ray Smith

1982
#2 Baltimore Colts Johnie Cooks
#3 Cleveland Browns Chip Banks

1981
#2 New York Giants Lawrence Taylor
#5 St. Louis Cardinals E. J. Junior

Crush
04-10-2009, 01:00 PM
How dare you question Jesus Christ, himself!!! He is the safest can't-miss draft prospect since Tony Mandarich.

orange
04-10-2009, 01:02 PM
Here is every LB taken in the top 5 of the draft going back to 1980

2006
#5 Green Bay Packers A. J. Hawk

2000
#2 Washington Redskins LaVar Arrington

1997
#4 Baltimore Ravens Peter Boulware

1996
#2 Jacksonville Jaguars Kevin Hardy

1994
#4 New England Patriots Willie McGinest
#5 Indianapolis Colts Trev Alberts

1993
#4 New York Jets Marvin Jones

1992
#2 Indianapolis Colts Quentin Coryatt
1991
#4 Denver Broncos Mike Croel

1990
#4 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Keith McCants
#5 San Diego Chargers Junior Seau

1989
#4 Kansas City Chiefs Derrick Thomas

1988
#1 Atlanta Falcons Aundray Bruce

1987
#2 Indianapolis Colts Cornelius Bennett

1986
#5 St. Louis Cardinals Anthony Bell

1985
#5 Indianapolis Colts Duane Bickett

1984
#3 New York Giants Carl Banks Outside

1983
#5 San Diego Chargers Billy Ray Smith

1982
#2 Baltimore Colts Johnie Cooks
#3 Cleveland Browns Chip Banks

1981
#2 New York Giants Lawrence Taylor
#5 St. Louis Cardinals E. J. Junior


A lot of very solid players and a few stars on that list. Drafting LB early seems to be a pretty good choice.

jidar
04-10-2009, 01:03 PM
A lot of very solid players and a few stars on that list. Drafting LB early seems to be a pretty good choice.

It's not a popular thing to do, but when teams decide to do it it's usually pretty solid. My take on this is that LB is an easy position to scout for... and so if the consensus is that Curry is a good pick, he probably is.

MIAdragon
04-10-2009, 01:05 PM
damit beat me to it

Deberg_1990
04-10-2009, 01:06 PM
Quinton Coryatt and Trev Alberts...OUCH!

NO wonder those early 90's INdy teams were awful.

KChiefs1
04-10-2009, 01:08 PM
How nice would it be if LT was available to us with the 3rd pick?

KChiefs1
04-10-2009, 01:08 PM
Carl Banks is pretty similar to Aaron Curry isn't he?

Zeke
04-10-2009, 01:10 PM
How dare you question Jesus Christ, himself!!! He is the safest can't-miss draft prospect since Tony Mandarich.

Since when did this discussion include Tim Tebow?

Der Flöprer
04-10-2009, 01:12 PM
So you guys weren't talking about LaDanian Tomlinson in a top 5 LB thread? WTFOMGBBQ!!!11!!!

Crush
04-10-2009, 01:21 PM
... and how many of those LBs have won the Super Bowl (with their original teams)?

1. Lawrence Taylor
2. Willie McGinest
3. Peter Boulware

Who else?

Crush
04-10-2009, 01:23 PM
Since when did this discussion include Tim Tebow?

Blasphemy

Remember the 11th Commandment:

Thou shall not place any player before Aaron Curry.

OnTheWarpath58
04-10-2009, 01:37 PM
Here is every LB taken in the top 5 of the draft going back to 1980

2006
#5 Green Bay Packers A. J. Hawk

2000
#2 Washington Redskins LaVar Arrington

1997
#4 Baltimore Ravens Peter Boulware

1996
#2 Jacksonville Jaguars Kevin Hardy

1994
#4 New England Patriots Willie McGinest
#5 Indianapolis Colts Trev Alberts

1993
#4 New York Jets Marvin Jones

1992
#2 Indianapolis Colts Quentin Coryatt
1991
#4 Denver Broncos Mike Croel

1990
#4 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Keith McCants
#5 San Diego Chargers Junior Seau

1989
#4 Kansas City Chiefs Derrick Thomas

1988
#1 Atlanta Falcons Aundray Bruce

1987
#2 Indianapolis Colts Cornelius Bennett

1986
#5 St. Louis Cardinals Anthony Bell

1985
#5 Indianapolis Colts Duane Bickett

1984
#3 New York Giants Carl Banks Outside

1983
#5 San Diego Chargers Billy Ray Smith

1982
#2 Baltimore Colts Johnie Cooks
#3 Cleveland Browns Chip Banks

1981
#2 New York Giants Lawrence Taylor
#5 St. Louis Cardinals E. J. Junior

A lot of very solid players and a few stars on that list. Drafting LB early seems to be a pretty good choice.

How many on that list played MLB/ILB for the team that drafted them?

Why are people comparing Curry to pass-rushing OLB's? He's not.

RustShack
04-10-2009, 01:38 PM
... and how many of those LBs have won the Super Bowl (with their original teams)?

1. Lawrence Taylor
2. Willie McGinest
3. Peter Boulware

Who else?


Weren't these guys all DE's in college? Its funny how all the LB's who really turned out from the top five were the opposite type of LB than Curry.

orange
04-10-2009, 01:49 PM
... and how many of those LBs have won the Super Bowl (with their original teams)?

1. Lawrence Taylor
2. Willie McGinest
3. Peter Boulware

Who else?

Carl Banks?

LaChapelle
04-10-2009, 02:02 PM
Ryan Sims is just outside the #5, but he had success putting on the lbs.

JohnnyV13
04-10-2009, 02:23 PM
Junior Seau was never a big pass rushing lb. He was also undeniably valuable.

OnTheWarpath58
04-10-2009, 02:31 PM
Junior Seau was never a big pass rushing lb. He was also undeniably valuable.

So we have to go back almost 20 years to find a non-pass rushing LB (or even one that did rush, but was not as successful) that was actually worth the pick.

That pretty much sums up everything NFL decision makers think about taking a one that high.

Buck
04-10-2009, 02:32 PM
Junior Seau was never a big pass rushing lb. He was also undeniably valuable.

I have to disagree with you there. He was the king of jumping the snap right on time.

He may not have had a lot of sacks, but he was Always double teamed.

bowener
04-10-2009, 02:59 PM
Here is every LB taken in the top 5 of the draft going back to 1980

2006
#5 Green Bay Packers A. J. Hawk

2000
#2 Washington Redskins LaVar Arrington

1997
#4 Baltimore Ravens Peter Boulware

1996
#2 Jacksonville Jaguars Kevin Hardy

1994
#4 New England Patriots Willie McGinest
#5 Indianapolis Colts Trev Alberts

1993
#4 New York Jets Marvin Jones

1992
#2 Indianapolis Colts Quentin Coryatt
1991
#4 Denver Broncos Mike Croel

1990
#4 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Keith McCants
#5 San Diego Chargers Junior Seau

1989
#4 Kansas City Chiefs Derrick Thomas

1988
#1 Atlanta Falcons Aundray Bruce

1987
#2 Indianapolis Colts Cornelius Bennett

1986
#5 St. Louis Cardinals Anthony Bell

1985
#5 Indianapolis Colts Duane Bickett

1984
#3 New York Giants Carl Banks Outside

1983
#5 San Diego Chargers Billy Ray Smith

1982
#2 Baltimore Colts Johnie Cooks
#3 Cleveland Browns Chip Banks

1981
#2 New York Giants Lawrence Taylor
#5 St. Louis Cardinals E. J. Junior

I noticed a trend for the colts....they liked wasting picks on LB's about every 3 years or so.

SBK
04-10-2009, 03:14 PM
The only people on that list outside of Seau that were any good were pass rushers.

Then again, I bet Curry can part the line and walk through the trenches on dry land like the line was never even there.

RJ
04-10-2009, 04:22 PM
That Dick Butkus guy was pretty good, but he probably doesn't count cause he was white and had a crew cut.

Does the LB position have an inordinately high rate of failure when drafted in the top 5?

Saccopoo
04-10-2009, 04:31 PM
How dare you question Jesus Christ, himself!!! He is the safest can't-miss draft prospect since Tony Mandarich.

Bullshit. Sanchez is the safest pick in this draft.

eazyb81
04-10-2009, 04:37 PM
Guys like LT, DT, McGinest, and Boulware played DE in college and basically moved to a standing-up rushing position in the NFL, so they aren't your traditional LBs and should not be compared to Curry.

Probably the best past comp to our situation was when the Jets under Parcells took James Farrior at #8 to play ILB in their 3-4.

DaneMcCloud
04-10-2009, 05:29 PM
Probably the best past comp to our situation was when the Jets under Parcells took James Farrior at #8 to play ILB in their 3-4.

And he now plays for the Steelers.

Terrible value for the Jets.

Pioli Zombie
04-10-2009, 05:32 PM
They just have to trade down. Not one player out there justifies a #3 pick.
I might reach with Raji because they have to have a NT to make the 3-4 work. But they should act like they want Sanchez to get a dumbass team to trade.
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RJ
04-10-2009, 05:37 PM
They just have to trade down. Not one player out there justifies a #3 pick.
I might reach with Raji because they have to have a NT to make the 3-4 work. But they should act like they want Sanchez to get a dumbass team to trade.
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Or, if they can't find a trade, just pass on the pick.

Mecca
04-10-2009, 05:40 PM
Aaron Curry is Kevin Hardy that's the player I'm reminded of.

Saccopoo
04-10-2009, 05:46 PM
They just have to trade down. Not one player out there justifies a #3 pick.
I might reach with Raji because they have to have a NT to make the 3-4 work. But they should act like they want Sanchez to get a dumbass team to trade.
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And Raji played in a 4-3 in college. Just because he's a fat ass doesn't necessarily mean that immediately translates to stud 3-4 NT. People are so quick to say that Curry "has never rushed the passer, so he won't be able to do it in the NFL" but happily want to draft a 4-3 DT to play nose in a 3-4.

And I seem to remember that the Chiefs, in the first round, drafted an offensive guard hoping that he'd be able to play tackle effectively in the NFL.

Mecca
04-10-2009, 05:47 PM
If you think those things are all remotely similar you need your head examined.

RustShack
04-10-2009, 05:58 PM
And Raji played in a 4-3 in college. Just because he's a fat ass doesn't necessarily mean that immediately translates to stud 3-4 NT. People are so quick to say that Curry "has never rushed the passer, so he won't be able to do it in the NFL" but happily want to draft a 4-3 DT to play nose in a 3-4.

And I seem to remember that the Chiefs, in the first round, drafted an offensive guard hoping that he'd be able to play tackle effectively in the NFL.

I don't think there is a single person who thinks Raji would be a better 3-4 NT than 4-3 NT. A big 4-3 NT playing 3-4 NT is a lot closer to a 4-3 DE playing 3-4 OLB than a 4-3 OLB playing 3-4 ILB is anyways. I don't know if you know this, but the Chiefs will be running a hybrid defense using both schemes... so a DE/OLB or a NT/NT is a hell of a lot more valuable than a OLB/ILB(4-3 position/3-4 position).

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-10-2009, 06:00 PM
A lot of very solid players and a few stars on that list. Drafting LB early seems to be a pretty good choice.

And a lot of complete busts, and even the "stars" weren't impact players, save for the pass rushers.

If anything, that's a perfect argument why you shouldn't draft a LB that high, especially a fucking cover backer.

Mecca
04-10-2009, 06:01 PM
And a lot of complete busts, and even the "stars" weren't impact players, save for the pass rushers.

If anything, that's a perfect argument why you shouldn't draft a LB that high, especially a fucking cover backer.

I said this the other day, wanna know how valuable non rush backers are? The Seattle Seahawks had 3 pro bowl caliber LB's they won 4 games.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-10-2009, 06:01 PM
How many on that list played MLB/ILB for the team that drafted them?

Why are people comparing Curry to pass-rushing OLB's? He's not.

Because they are stupid motherfuckers who don't understand how football works and assume that because there is an "LB" next to the player's name, that they all have identical skillsets.

DaneMcCloud
04-10-2009, 06:32 PM
Because they are stupid motherfuckers who don't understand how football works and assume that because there is an "LB" next to the player's name, that they all have identical skillsets.

You forgot the fact that PhilFree could see "intensity" in Curry's eyes in a 10 second Youtube clip.

THAT'S scouting, folks!

Mecca
04-10-2009, 07:17 PM
You forgot the fact that PhilFree could see "intensity" in Curry's eyes in a 10 second Youtube clip.

THAT'S scouting, folks!

We have fans who think they're Gunther Cunningham.

KCwolf
04-10-2009, 08:33 PM
We have fans who think they're Gunther Cunningham.

And more think they're Scott Pioli

SNR
04-10-2009, 08:56 PM
And more think they're Scott PioliHow do you know one of them ISN'T Scott Pioli?

I'll bet Pioli is somebody weird like Redrum_69. He steals all our good ideas, and that's how he's become so successful.

Crush
04-10-2009, 08:58 PM
How do you know one of them ISN'T Scott Pioli?

I'll bet Pioli is somebody weird like Redrum_69. He steals all our good ideas, and that's how he's become so successful.


Scott Pioli has probably banged a few milfs along the way.

EyePod
04-10-2009, 09:45 PM
I'm still hoping for a trade down. But if we stay, we will probably take Curry. I was very impressed about him at the combine. He looked quite athlethic, fast and agile. My only concern is his lack of sacks in college. Now I'm trying to convince myself that their defensive system perhaps did not require him to be a pass rusher and if asked, he could be good in that category. I hope I'm not fooling myself. Again with his speed and agility there's no reason he can't effectively pass rus.

He will never be a sack machine. Ever. Get this through your skull now, and there will be less disappointment later.

Frankie
04-10-2009, 10:03 PM
He will never be a sack machine. Ever. Get this through your skull now, and there will be less disappointment later.

We don't know that do we? He looks like he has the speed and athleticism to be able to do it. Is it really far fetched that Wake Forest never asked him to be a sacker? I don't know the answer, but why not?

Mecca
04-10-2009, 10:16 PM
Generally speaking when you are the best player on your college team if you could get sacks they'd have you doing it...

He doesn't have that skillset.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-10-2009, 10:18 PM
Generally speaking when you are the best player on your college team if you could get sacks they'd have you doing it...

He doesn't have that skillset.

Covering the tight end is far more important than rushing the passer.

Saccopoo
04-10-2009, 10:38 PM
I don't think there is a single person who thinks Raji would be a better 3-4 NT than 4-3 NT. A big 4-3 NT playing 3-4 NT is a lot closer to a 4-3 DE playing 3-4 OLB than a 4-3 OLB playing 3-4 ILB is anyways. I don't know if you know this, but the Chiefs will be running a hybrid defense using both schemes... so a DE/OLB or a NT/NT is a hell of a lot more valuable than a OLB/ILB(4-3 position/3-4 position).

So, to summarize, if one was to pick a 3-4 OLB for a 4-3 ILB position, he wouldn't be suited to play a 4-3 NT, a 3-4 DE, a 3-4 NT or a 4-3 LOLB, but he could be a 4-3 ROLB capable of switching to a 3-4 LDE or a 4-3 RDE or a 3-4 SSOLB or a 4-3 DT but not a 3-4 DT, a 4-3 RDE/ROLB, a 3-4 MILB, a 4-3 ROLB or a 3-4 NT, depending upon positional value of a 4-3 DT versus a 3-4 NT, a 3-4 MLB versus a 4-3 RDE and as such, conversely, a 4-3 LDE, a 3-4 MILB and a 4-3 ROLB posses schematic positional value as seen by a team running a hybrid 3-4 or even a hybrid 4-3 over such positions as a 3-4 LOLB, a 4-3 RDT and a 4-3 LDE?

Gotcha.

melbar
04-10-2009, 11:00 PM
Because they are stupid mother****ers who don't understand how football works and assume that because there is an "LB" next to the player's name, that they all have identical skillsets.

Yes, but you are the board genius. You know "how football works". Nobody knows the things you do. Its just you and Mecca and the rest of us dangling at the bottom of the foodchain. Maybe if we would all just resort to f bombs and flinging poo, we could look as intelligent as you do.

melbar
04-10-2009, 11:05 PM
Generally speaking when you are the best player on your college team if you could get sacks they'd have you doing it...

He doesn't have that skillset.

OR, OR....Maybe as far and away the best player on the team you get a lot of attention. A lot of double teams. Every Highlight I've seen he's chasing a play or QB rolling away from him. Just a thought. ;)

SBK
04-10-2009, 11:06 PM
We don't know that do we? He looks like he has the speed and athleticism to be able to do it. Is it really far fetched that Wake Forest never asked him to be a sacker? I don't know the answer, but why not?

Do you think Derrick Thomas would have been covering TE's at Alabama because that's what the defensive scheme was?

Curry didn't rush the passer because he was better used covering TE's---which is a far superior and important skill than rushing the passer.

melbar
04-10-2009, 11:07 PM
Covering the tight end is far more important than rushing the passer.

This is more of the brilliant insight that makes you a board MVP...:clap:

jidar
04-10-2009, 11:27 PM
Is there anyone more sure of themselves than Internet forum nerds? I swear. You guys have the memories of goldfish with how many predictions you get wrong, but it doesn't stop you from coming in here and saying what players are and aren't worth drafting as if it's a matter of fact.

tk13
04-10-2009, 11:34 PM
The only problem with this is argument, which is fairly accurate, is that who else do you draft? Then you're left drafting a LT or Crabtree. Some people would say Raji, which I understand... but you cannot make this argument that's being made here and say we should take Raji. The list of top 5 DT"s is not any good either.

RustShack
04-11-2009, 03:55 AM
So, to summarize, if one was to pick a 3-4 OLB for a 4-3 ILB position, he wouldn't be suited to play a 4-3 NT, a 3-4 DE, a 3-4 NT or a 4-3 LOLB, but he could be a 4-3 ROLB capable of switching to a 3-4 LDE or a 4-3 RDE or a 3-4 SSOLB or a 4-3 DT but not a 3-4 DT, a 4-3 RDE/ROLB, a 3-4 MILB, a 4-3 ROLB or a 3-4 NT, depending upon positional value of a 4-3 DT versus a 3-4 NT, a 3-4 MLB versus a 4-3 RDE and as such, conversely, a 4-3 LDE, a 3-4 MILB and a 4-3 ROLB posses schematic positional value as seen by a team running a hybrid 3-4 or even a hybrid 4-3 over such positions as a 3-4 LOLB, a 4-3 RDT and a 4-3 LDE?

Gotcha.

I think your a lost cause.

rad
04-11-2009, 06:58 AM
Since the talent sucks in the top of this draft, take the best positional value.....Sanchez.

Rigodan
04-11-2009, 10:46 AM
Is there anyone more sure of themselves than Internet forum nerds? I swear. You guys have the memories of goldfish with how many predictions you get wrong, but it doesn't stop you from coming in here and saying what players are and aren't worth drafting as if it's a matter of fact.

You'd be better off trying to refute thier arguments than whining about how smart they are.

I don't know as much about football as Mecca and Hamas but I end up siding with them a lot because logically they make a lot more sense. Saying that someone who will primarily cover the other teams tight end is worthy of a #3 pick or saying Aaron Curry can learn to rush the passer despite not practicing it for the last 4 years when there will be alot of guys who have been practicing it for the last 4 years as DE's and won't be successful at it just doesn't make sense. You don't have logic on your side.

milkman
04-11-2009, 11:11 AM
How many on that list played MLB/ILB for the team that drafted them?

Why are people comparing Curry to pass-rushing OLB's? He's not.

The more I see of Curry, the more I see him as Harry Carson type.

Great LB, but not one I'd draft 3# overall.

milkman
04-11-2009, 11:16 AM
Junior Seau was never a big pass rushing lb. He was also undeniably valuable.

Yes, but he brought an intensity that infected the rest of that defense, which overshadowed his tendency to overrun plays.

Funny thing is, Rey Mauluga is the guy that reminds many of Junior Seau because, like Seau he has a tendency to overrun plays but also has that same type of intensity.

milkman
04-11-2009, 11:19 AM
That Dick Butkus guy was pretty good, but he probably doesn't count cause he was white and had a crew cut.

Does the LB position have an inordinately high rate of failure when drafted in the top 5?

Different era.

In those days offenses didn't pass the ball nearly as much.

Johnny Unitas was considered somewhat pass happy, and he only had one season in which he attempted more than 350 passes.

But even then, Butkus brought that Seau, Ray Lewis type intensity.

whoman69
04-11-2009, 11:21 AM
The whole argument against drafting Curry is that he is not a sack guy and you don't non-sack linebackers in the top 10. IMO getting a guy who can cover will give our pass rush more time to get to the QB. We also haven't had any presence at MLB to take on the run game. I'm not saying Curry can be Ray Lewis or Willie Lanier, but this team needs a player in the middle of the field that we haven't had since Marvcus Patton lost a step.

Brock
04-11-2009, 11:22 AM
The pass rush makes the coverage, not the other way around.

acesn8s
04-11-2009, 11:23 AM
I don't think there is a single person who thinks Raji would be a better 3-4 NT than 4-3 NT. A big 4-3 NT playing 3-4 NT is a lot closer to a 4-3 DE playing 3-4 OLB than a 4-3 OLB playing 3-4 ILB is anyways. I don't know if you know this, but the Chiefs will be running a hybrid defense using both schemes... so a DE/OLB or a NT/NT is a hell of a lot more valuable than a OLB/ILB(4-3 position/3-4 position).It's a good thing that the Chiefs don't draft players to play the position that they played in college.

milkman
04-11-2009, 11:31 AM
The whole argument against drafting Curry is that he is not a sack guy and you don't non-sack linebackers in the top 10. IMO getting a guy who can cover will give our pass rush more time to get to the QB. We also haven't had any presence at MLB to take on the run game. I'm not saying Curry can be Ray Lewis or Willie Lanier, but this team needs a player in the middle of the field that we haven't had since Marvcus Patton lost a step.

LMAO

OnTheWarpath58
04-11-2009, 11:33 AM
The whole argument against drafting Curry is that he is not a sack guy and you don't non-sack linebackers in the top 10. IMO getting a guy who can cover will give our pass rush more time to get to the QB. We also haven't had any presence at MLB to take on the run game. I'm not saying Curry can be Ray Lewis or Willie Lanier, but this team needs a player in the middle of the field that we haven't had since Marvcus Patton lost a step.

http://a292.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/113/l_cf051e9f1c8af2100169ad76214d2e1b.jpg

acesn8s
04-11-2009, 11:34 AM
The whole argument against drafting Curry is that he is not a sack guy and you don't non-sack linebackers in the top 10. IMO getting a guy who can cover will give our pass rush more time to get to the QB. We also haven't had any presence at MLB to take on the run game. I'm not saying Curry can be Ray Lewis or Willie Lanier, but this team needs a player in the middle of the field that we haven't had since Marvcus Patton lost a step.Patton had a step?