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aturnis
04-10-2009, 09:17 PM
I live in Iowa and have only heard rave reviews about Gates BBQ, so I decided to try and make it with a recipe (http://recipes.egullet.org/recipes/r1689.html)I found on the net.

Anyone ever try this recipe? It doesn't taste too great to me. Is it even close to right?

Simply Red
04-10-2009, 09:18 PM
liquid-smoke FIRST IN!!!

Saccopoo
04-10-2009, 09:24 PM
Blehh...

Two quarts of store bought ketchup as your main adjunct? And besides, you can't make Kansas City BBQ sauce without molasses.

"Really tomato ketchup Eddie?"
"Nothing but the best Clark."

Toadkiller
04-10-2009, 09:44 PM
I sort of followed that gates one but added molasses and whiskey, a nice peaty smokey whiskey, damn it turned out good.

aturnis
04-10-2009, 10:09 PM
I sort of followed that gates one but added molasses and whiskey, a nice peaty smokey whiskey, damn it turned out good.

Actually, after mixing it a little better and letting it sit, it tastes alright. How much molasses and whiskey? My g/f doesn't exactly like it, her daughter LOVES it though. I think sweetening up a small batch might make my g/f happy.

SBK
04-10-2009, 10:14 PM
Go to Wal-Mart and come off the $2 you cheapass.

Toadkiller
04-10-2009, 10:30 PM
I didnt really measure. I just poured some in of each if I had to guess it was like a half of cup of whiskey and a bit more of the molasses.

Miles
04-10-2009, 11:06 PM
Go to Wal-Mart and come off the $2 you cheapass.

He might have it there but I haven't seen it in a Wal-Mart around Denver. Last I was able to find it was in Texas but the Wal-Mart's don't carry it there anymore.

SBK
04-10-2009, 11:15 PM
He might have it there but I haven't seen it in a Wal-Mart around Denver. Last I was able to find it was in Texas but the Wal-Mart's don't carry it there anymore.

I bought Gates at Wal-Mart in Des Moines for years. Now I buy it here in Atlanta at Wal-Mart.

Miles
04-10-2009, 11:23 PM
I bought Gates at Wal-Mart in Des Moines for years. Now I buy it here in Atlanta at Wal-Mart.

Damn. Wish I could get that stuff up in Denver at Wal-Mart. I have found as good or better with Austin's Own at Whole Foods but unfortunately it's over five bucks a bottle.

SBK
04-10-2009, 11:31 PM
Damn. Wish I could get that stuff up in Denver at Wal-Mart. I have found as good or better with Austin's Own at Whole Foods but unfortunately it's over five bucks a bottle.

I can get 3-4 varieties of Gates sauce here. When I'm back in Des Moines now though I always pick up Jackstack sauce at Gateway Market. That's the sauce I wish I could get here. Gates is better, but you always want what you can't have right?

Mr. Flopnuts
04-10-2009, 11:43 PM
So does Jack Stack cost $100 to feed 2 people or is that just to have it shipped?

Raised On Riots
04-10-2009, 11:49 PM
Go to Wal-Mart and come off the $2 you cheapass.

ROFL

Alright, so here's the deal:
http://freshtomarket.com/02-13/stubbs-bbq-sauce.jpg
Spicy, Regular, Dark and Sweet.

Our Wal Mart carries Stubbs, so yours might too. They've got a pretty large distribution. Now the Spicy is a dead-ringer for Gates "Extra Hot", practically no difference whatsoever and I would know; I've ingested gallons of it over the years. The Regular is a mustard base that reminds me of Bryants, but that's never been my thing. The Dark and Sweet is heavier and sweeter than Gates "Sweet and Mild", but it's still a legitimate sauce that doesn't venture in to ketchup thickness or too much molasses.
I like to mix one part Spicy to one part Dark and Sweet; it keeps the heat in check and thins out the molasses enough to make one kick ass, legitimate hybrid.

Happy smokin'! :thumb:

Pioli Zombie
04-10-2009, 11:58 PM
Know what's fun? When you hear someone coming you splash that stuff all over yourself and lie down on the kitchen floor and start convulsing and scream. THEY FUCKIN SHOT ME.
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KCrockaholic
04-11-2009, 12:01 AM
I remember when Gates BBQ'd our secondary a few times....

soundmind
04-11-2009, 12:05 AM
If you're going to the trouble of "making" Gates BBQ Sauce, you should just buy the sauce from them - and concentrate on making something of your own.

Miles
04-11-2009, 12:20 AM
ROFL

Alright, so here's the deal:
http://freshtomarket.com/02-13/stubbs-bbq-sauce.jpg
Spicy, Regular, Dark and Sweet.

Our Wal Mart carries Stubbs, so yours might too. They've got a pretty large distribution. Now the Spicy is a dead-ringer for Gates "Extra Hot", practically no difference whatsoever and I would know; I've ingested gallons of it over the years. The Regular is a mustard base that reminds me of Bryants, but that's never been my thing. The Dark and Sweet is heavier and sweeter than Gates "Sweet and Mild", but it's still a legitimate sauce that doesn't venture in to ketchup thickness or too much molasses.
I like to mix one part Spicy to one part Dark and Sweet; it keeps the heat in check and thins out the molasses enough to make one kick ass, legitimate hybrid.

Happy smokin'! :thumb:

Stubbs spicy is pretty good stuff.

Phog Allen
04-11-2009, 12:23 AM
How the Frick can anyone even think of adding molassis to a KC BBQ sauce?

Raised On Riots
04-11-2009, 12:25 AM
Stubbs spicy is pretty good stuff.

That's the only real sauce we have on the shelves out here. I can get killer Mexican food by throwing a rock in any general direction and following the trail, but BBQ is a sad, sad affair in this part of the world.

Raised On Riots
04-11-2009, 12:27 AM
How the Frick can anyone even think of adding molassis to a KC BBQ sauce?

What is this "molassis" you speak of?

Phog Allen
04-11-2009, 12:31 AM
Real KC BBQ is not sweet, the recipe on line needs a little pepper but other than that is spot on.

Phog Allen
04-11-2009, 12:34 AM
i apologize for the spelling, been drinking wine since 10am

Raised On Riots
04-11-2009, 12:43 AM
i apologize for the spelling, been drinking wine since 10am

Just fuckin' with ya. ;) It's used, but very, very, very sparingly.

aturnis
04-11-2009, 01:14 AM
Go to Wal-Mart and come off the $2 you cheapass.

First of all, it's probably more expensive to make it, rather than buy it. Second, I had no idea I could get it here in Iowa, but you do know Wal-Mart is the debil right?

Phog Allen
04-11-2009, 01:19 AM
Been having it shipped to the south for years and found that it only costs bout $8 a gallon to make, I'll never buy another drop.

Fire Me Boy!
04-11-2009, 06:18 AM
I've posted this a number of times, so here it is again.

3/4 c. packed dark brown sugar
1-2 Tbsp. ground black pepper (I use 2)
1 oz. package of chili seasoning (I use Alton Brown's homemade chili powder (http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/recipes/recipe/0,1977,FOOD_9936_28230,00.html))
2 tsp. dry mustard
1 tsp. ground ginger (I use 2 tsp. fresh grated)
1/2 tsp. allspice
1/4 tsp. ground cayenne pepper (I prefer chipotle pepper)
1/4 tsp. mace
1 c. vinegar (I like unfiltered apple cider vinegar)
1/4 c. molasses
1/4 c. water
32 oz. bottle of Heinz ketchup

Combine all the dry ingredients in a saucepan and mix well. Add vinegar, molasses and water, stirring until blended. Stir in ketchup (I find a whisk does the best job). Bring to a boil, stirring constantly, and reduce heat. Simmer, covered, over low heat for 30 minutes, stirring occasionally.

If you like, add 1-3 tsp. liquid smoke. I always use this sauce on brisket and ribs that I've smoked, so I don't want any of the fake stuff near my Q.

It makes quite a bit, but what you don't use will fit back inside the ketchup bottle and will keep in the fridge for up to a year.

This recipe is from the Kansas City BBQ Society, called Kansas City Classic Sauce. As you see, I've made a few alterations for what I like better. But if you only do one thing, make your own chili powder.

Another tip: buy all of your spices whole. Keep them in the freezer until you need them. When you need them, pull out what you need, lightly toast them in a DRY skillet, then grind them. It makes all the difference in the world. Toasting them brings their essential oils to life. If they're already cracked or ground, you lose a tremendous amount of flavor in very little time.

Fire Me Boy!
04-11-2009, 06:20 AM
That sauce recipe in the thread header is damn close to Gates, though. But I prefer the stuff above.

Mojo Jojo
04-11-2009, 06:28 AM
I saw an interview with Ollie several years ago, and said the secret ingredient in his sauces is pickle juice...not just strait vinegar or apple cider vinegar. He also mops with the pickle juice.
I have made my own sauces a few times and I have substituted pickle juice for vinegar and it gives the sauce a very unique kick.

Herzig
04-11-2009, 06:42 AM
Arthur Bryant's Bold & Spicy is better. By far, my favorite KC Sauce.

Herzig
04-11-2009, 06:46 AM
Here's a couple of Arthur Bryant's Recipes I've found on the net. I'm pretty sure the sauce recipe is not the Bold & Spicy version. However, I haven't tried it...I just stock up every month when I go to KC.


Arthur Bryant's Rib Rub

Makes 3 cups

1 cup salt
2/3 cup paprika
2/3 cup sugar
2/3 cup packed brown sugar
1 tablespoon ground mustard
2 teaspoons white or black pepper
3/4 teaspoon ground celery seed
2 teaspoons powdered onion
2 teaspoons powdered garlic

Mix all the ingredients. Generously sprinkle both sides of the ribs with the rub and massage it in. Let ribs sit at least 12 hours, refrigerated, before cooking. This recipe flavors 12 slabs of ribs.

Also found...

Arthur Bryant’s Barbecue Sauce

cup cider vinegar
cup rice vinegar
1 cup water
cup paprika
1/3 cup yellow mustard
cup brown sugar
1/8 cup kosher salt
1/8 cup worcestershire sauce
1 tablespoon garlic powder
a little black pepper
1 tablespoon hot sauce - Chowalla if available

Cook until desired thickness. Fine tune flavors by adjusting quantities.


If you have tasted AB's and decide to try these out, plaeae let me know your opinion.

acesn8s
04-11-2009, 09:50 AM
First of all, it's probably more expensive to make it, rather than buy it. Second, I had no idea I could get it here in Iowa, but you do know Wal-Mart is the debil right?Smartest thing you ever said.

RJ
04-11-2009, 11:24 AM
liquid-smoke FIRST IN!!!


This thread is worthless without apricot preserves.

gblowfish
04-11-2009, 11:42 AM
Stubb's sauce from Texas is very good. But nothing is the equal of Gates classic. You can order Gates sauce from their website:

http://www.gatesbbq.com/Products.aspx?CATID=1

Fire Me Boy!
04-11-2009, 12:09 PM
liquid-smoke FIRST IN!!!

Find me a sauce made out of barley and cast iron and you have yourself a winner.

Raised On Riots
04-11-2009, 01:51 PM
This thread is worthless without apricot preserves.

LMAO

JuicesFlowing
04-11-2009, 04:31 PM
If you're going to the trouble of "making" Gates BBQ Sauce, you should just buy the sauce from them - and concentrate on making something of your own.

Thread over.

mlyonsd
04-11-2009, 04:40 PM
Anyone that doesn't make their own BBQ sauce is a girly girl doo do head.

AustinChief
04-11-2009, 04:49 PM
ROFL

Alright, so here's the deal:
http://freshtomarket.com/02-13/stubbs-bbq-sauce.jpg
Spicy, Regular, Dark and Sweet.

Happy smokin'! :thumb:
Seriously? People outside Austin actually LIKE Stubbs???? I live next door to Stubbs and it is just plain BAD food. Maybe the Stubbs sauce in the jar is better than what they serve at the restaurant...

Great music venue, nice nice nice staff and owners... AWFUL food.

Raised On Riots
04-11-2009, 07:18 PM
Seriously? People outside Austin actually LIKE Stubbs???? I live next door to Stubbs and it is just plain BAD food. Maybe the Stubbs sauce in the jar is better than what they serve at the restaurant...

Great music venue, nice nice nice staff and owners... AWFUL food.

General consensus is that their actual food is bad, but good sauces and marinades.

RJ
04-11-2009, 08:03 PM
IMO, the Stubbs sauces sold in the groceries are no better than any other commercial bbq sauce. Their main ingredient is high fructose corn syrup.

I generally make my own sauce, or create a hybrid using Cattleman's as a base.

My new favorite bottled sauce is a brand called My Daddy's Bar-B-Que, made in a restaurant in Carlsbad, NM. I bought a couple of bottles, one "original" and one mustard, from their booth at the Fiery Foods Show here in Albuquerque a month or so back, it was good enough that I called to order two more bottles of each today. I'd post a link but they don't have their site finished yet. Damn good stuff, and I'm picky in these matters.

Simply Red
09-02-2013, 10:09 PM
mom brought back two huge bottles of gates original.

Sweet Daddy Hate
09-02-2013, 10:42 PM
mom brought back two huge bottles of gates original.

Noice.

Flybone McTimmerson
09-02-2013, 11:22 PM
LC's has the best sauce in KC.

A Salt Weapon
09-02-2013, 11:30 PM
We've been making it ever since I saw the recipe posted here a while back. Tastes great, share it with everybody and let them know whose recipe it is. Buying it isn't an option in this neck of the woods.

Thatguy
09-03-2013, 12:05 AM
My dad sent me gates sauce when I lived in UT. You can imagine the BBQ options in Utah are pretty much slim to none.

Baby Lee
09-03-2013, 12:16 AM
Bandana's Sweet and Smoky
Gates' Extra Hot
OK Joe's Night of the Living Sauce, and

some Famous Dave's Wilbur's Revenge around to kick things up several notches if you are of a mind.

That's all you need.

Kaepernick
09-03-2013, 06:10 AM
ROFL

Alright, so here's the deal:
http://freshtomarket.com/02-13/stubbs-bbq-sauce.jpg
Spicy, Regular, Dark and Sweet.

Our Wal Mart carries Stubbs, so yours might too. They've got a pretty large distribution. Now the Spicy is a dead-ringer for Gates "Extra Hot", practically no difference whatsoever and I would know; I've ingested gallons of it over the years. The Regular is a mustard base that reminds me of Bryants, but that's never been my thing. The Dark and Sweet is heavier and sweeter than Gates "Sweet and Mild", but it's still a legitimate sauce that doesn't venture in to ketchup thickness or too much molasses.
I like to mix one part Spicy to one part Dark and Sweet; it keeps the heat in check and thins out the molasses enough to make one kick ass, legitimate hybrid.

Happy smokin'! :thumb:

Stubbs is my FAVORITE among the grocery store BBQ sauces I can find here in California. The Spicy is my favorite and slather it on red meat. I like the Mesquite on poultry. Good to hear that Subbs Spicy is about spot on for Gates BBQ sauce. I just love Stubbs Spicy.

It is sad how many Californians settle for KC Masterpiece just because of the name and advertising.

I confess I've had better sauce than Gates though, although that is just personal preference. Best BBQ sauce I have had was the spicy sauce at the Hickory Hut in Salina, Kansas. I wish to hell I could buy it on line, but I'm happy to settle for Stubblefield's Spicy sauce.

Disclaimer: I don't like sweet BBQ sauces.

Kaepernick
09-03-2013, 06:13 AM
That's the only real sauce we have on the shelves out here. I can get killer Mexican food by throwing a rock in any general direction and following the trail, but BBQ is a sad, sad affair in this part of the world.

I'm in California, and we can't get decent barbecue for s*** out here. You would think somebody would have settled in California and opened up shop with something decent by now. Population 36 million and I've never had a single BBQ meal in California that genuinely impressed me.

Kaepernick
09-03-2013, 06:27 AM
IMO, the Stubbs sauces sold in the groceries are no better than any other commercial bbq sauce. Their main ingredient is high fructose corn syrup.

The devil you say...

I'm looking at my bottle of Stubbs now and the listed ingredients

water
tomato paste
sugar
distilled vinegar
molasses
tapioca dextrin
salt
brown sugar
corn starch
spices
habanero peppers
onion
paprika
garlic
chili powder
natural smoke flavor
citric acid
xanthan gum
guar gum
corn syrup
tamarino
natural flavors

Must be that sneaky invisible high fructose corn syrup stuff.

buddha
09-03-2013, 08:51 AM
Seriously? People outside Austin actually LIKE Stubbs???? I live next door to Stubbs and it is just plain BAD food. Maybe the Stubbs sauce in the jar is better than what they serve at the restaurant...

Great music venue, nice nice nice staff and owners... AWFUL food.

Thank you...you are correct. I've been there twice on business and the food is below average, and the portion sizes are WeightWatchers friendly. The sauce sucks, IMO.

Stubbs is so far below even average KC BBQ, it's insulting that it shows up in the same thread. Gates is miles better.

buddha
09-03-2013, 08:53 AM
I'm in California, and we can't get decent barbecue for s*** out here. You would think somebody would have settled in California and opened up shop with something decent by now. Population 36 million and I've never had a single BBQ meal in California that genuinely impressed me.

This is also a fact. I've tried BBQ out here in CA for 25 years and haven't found one that could stay in business for a month in KC. Awful.

People in CA think Famous Dave's is the bomb. :cuss:

Sweet Daddy Hate
09-03-2013, 01:13 PM
Thank you...you are correct. I've been there twice on business and the food is below average, and the portion sizes are WeightWatchers friendly. The sauce sucks, IMO.

Stubbs is so far below even average KC BBQ, it's insulting that it shows up in the same thread. Gates is miles better.

I know nothing of their meats, nor do I care. Texas is a bunch of goddamned hype anyway.
Stubbs sauce, however, is the closest thing you can get to KC sauce if you're out in the sticks though FWIW.

Fish
09-03-2013, 01:30 PM
Stubb's sauce is Chihuahua diarrhea. If that's the best you can get, then just put a 12ga. in your mouth now and get it over with....

Sweet Daddy Hate
09-03-2013, 01:36 PM
Stubb's sauce is Chihuahua diarrhea. If that's the best you can get, then just put a 12ga. in your mouth now and get it over with....

If you want to send me some sauce, be my guest:

PO Box MotherfuckYOU
Albuquerque, NM 87101

Fish
09-03-2013, 01:45 PM
If you want to send me some sauce, be my guest:

PO Box MotherfuckYOU
Albuquerque, NM 87101

You can order whatever sauce you want all by yourself, dummy. There's this magical place called the internet. You can give them monies and they send you things of your choosing.

Sweet Daddy Hate
09-03-2013, 01:48 PM
You can order whatever sauce you want all by yourself, dummy. There's this magical place called the internet. You can give them monies and they send you things of your choosing.

I do need to order some rub....

Mr. Laz
09-03-2013, 02:33 PM
You can order whatever sauce you want all by yourself, dummy. There's this magical place called the internet. You can give them monies and they send you things of your choosing.

:LOL::LOL:

MOhillbilly
09-03-2013, 02:34 PM
The secret to awesome BBQ sauce is a touch of molasses and cooking the sugars in the tomato.

Kaepernick
09-03-2013, 07:27 PM
This is also a fact. I've tried BBQ out here in CA for 25 years and haven't found one that could stay in business for a month in KC. Awful.

People in CA think Famous Dave's is the bomb. :cuss:

2 things that would make a KILLING in California are KC BBQ and French coffee.

If anybody set up genuine ass kicking KC BBQ in the major cities of California, they would be looking at a gold mine. I've found pretty fair stuff like in Oakland & such, but just not the real deal. Not even close enough to pretend.

The other thing is French Coffee. If somebody ever made the Cafe Americain I drank at every chance in Paris, they would flat put Starbucks out of business. I've never had a coffee like that in America. Never. You can bury yourself in lattes and mochas and it just pales in comparison to real Cafe Americain in Paris.

Now, if you had a KC BBQ restaurant that served Cafe Americain, you could just watch your IPO go to the moon while raking in the billions. And chicks for free.

Mr. Laz
09-03-2013, 07:28 PM
http://www.gatesbbq.com/Products.aspx?CATID=1

Kaepernick
09-03-2013, 07:29 PM
I know nothing of their meats, nor do I care. Texas is a bunch of goddamned hype anyway.
Stubbs sauce, however, is the closest thing you can get to KC sauce if you're out in the sticks though FWIW.

Texas does one thing better than KC. Chili. If it has beans, it ain't chili. I was dying for all meat chili in KC, but it was all just beans and most of it too sweet anyway. Texas does chili better than ANYBODY.

Ace Gunner
09-03-2013, 08:45 PM
Texas does one thing better than KC. Chili. If it has beans, it ain't chili. I was dying for all meat chili in KC, but it was all just beans and most of it too sweet anyway. Texas does chili better than ANYBODY.

and mex -- killer mex tacos refried beans etc

oh and this
http://www.prlog.org/11064404-mrs-renfros-habanero-green-black-bean-salsas.jpg

buddha
09-03-2013, 10:49 PM
2 things that would make a KILLING in California are KC BBQ and French coffee.

If anybody set up genuine ass kicking KC BBQ in the major cities of California, they would be looking at a gold mine. I've found pretty fair stuff like in Oakland & such, but just not the real deal. Not even close enough to pretend.

The other thing is French Coffee. If somebody ever made the Cafe Americain I drank at every chance in Paris, they would flat put Starbucks out of business. I've never had a coffee like that in America. Never. You can bury yourself in lattes and mochas and it just pales in comparison to real Cafe Americain in Paris.

Now, if you had a KC BBQ restaurant that served Cafe Americain, you could just watch your IPO go to the moon while raking in the billions. And chicks for free.

I couldn't agree more on both points. California is ready for both.