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Count Alex's Losses
04-12-2009, 08:20 AM
Fat guys gotta stick together!

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chiefs/story/1137858.html

Chiefs need to get this right: Boot LJ, keep Waters


Thereís no reason to believe Larry Johnson or his new agent.

The moody running back, in the pursuit of the remaining millions left on his contract, claims ó through his agent ó he wants nothing more than to be a productive runner for the Kansas City Chiefs in 2009.

He made the same claims before the start of the 2007 season, when he was trying to secure a lucrative contract extension. Carl Peterson fell for Johnsonís kind words and made Johnson the highest-paid Chief.

Scott Pioli should go ahead and release Johnson now. If somehow Kansas Cityís new general manager is able to trade Johnson for anything ó chinstrap, mouthpiece, blocking dummy, a jockstrap to be named later ó Pioli would have to be an early candidate for NFL executive of the year.

Johnson has no trade value. He refuses to block. Heís an unreliable runner. He has a bad attitude. His best years are long gone. A team would be foolish to trade for Johnson.

Why not just wait for the Chiefs to release Johnson?

If the Chiefs hold on to Johnson and he makes their season-opening roster, which would re-guarantee his contract, then weíll have our second legitimate reason to question the decision-making of the Chiefsí new leadership.

For those of you with short memories, our first legitimate reason was Pioli and Todd Haleyís handling of their first meeting with Pro Bowl guard Brian Waters.

This is one of the most underplayed stories of the NFL offseason. Waters is Kansas Cityís version of Jay Cutler. After brief and abrasive encounters with Pioli and Haley, Waters demanded his release from the Chiefs.

Obviously, Waters isnít as high-profile as a Pro Bowl quarterback, so the national media have ignored his dissatisfaction.

But Watersí troubles hint at a bigger trend: The arrogance of the young lieutenants coming off the Bill Belichick tree and whether theyíve made mistakes that damaged their new franchises.

Denver coach Josh McDaniels, the 32-year-old former Patriots offensive coordinator, cost the Broncos an in-his-prime franchise quarterback by foolishly attempting to trade for Matt Cassel.

Pioli, Belichickís former right hand, may cost Kansas City its best lineman by foolishly implementing his my-way-or-the-highway approach to diplomacy. Pioli and Haley needlessly played rough with a valuable asset.

Of course, the whole thing could blow over during the offseason and Waters could return to his role as locker-room leader by training camp. But right now, we donít know where the standoff stands. Waters represents himself and isnít talking. Pioli and Haley donít like to talk about sensitive issues.

Weíre left to speculate.

Maybe the Chiefs could package Waters and Johnson in a draft-day trade, if thereís a player on the board in the second or third round that the club really likes.

Itís difficult for me to envision a scenario that would have Johnson on the Chiefsí 2009 roster. Itís equally difficult for me to see Pioli taking the necessary, pride-swallowing steps to fix the teamís issue with Waters.

Brian Waters can be reasoned with. Heís a student of the game.

Donít read anything into what Iím about to say. I have not talked with Brian Waters or anyone close to him recently. Iím basing my opinion on what Iíve learned about Brian over his nine years on the Chiefs.

He can be easily persuaded to get on board with what Pioli and Haley are trying to accomplish. Waters simply needs to be recruited and given the level of respect his consistent play and off-field professionalism demand.

Does Mike Vrabelís success in New England dictate he gets more respect in Kansas City than Brian Waters? Not in my opinion.

According to Casselís statement to the media shortly after being traded to KC, Pioli had an open-door policy with players in New England. You got the impression Pioli liked to chat up key personnel and get them on board with the clubís philosophy.

His handling of Waters created the impression of a young person on an immature power trip. General managers donít win football games. Good football players and coaches do. You do whatever is necessary to retain the good ones, and you dump the Larry Johnsons of the world the first chance you get.

Count Alex's Losses
04-12-2009, 08:25 AM
Johnson has no trade value. He refuses to block.Did Larry see a $20 bill on the ground during this play or something?

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/5215/powaa9.gif

Micjones
04-12-2009, 08:25 AM
Oh brother.

Waters isn't a franchise player in his prime.
That's such a horrible comparison.

And his views on LJ have been spelled out time and again.
Thing is, you don't just let the guy walk. Trade him or keep him.

Redrum_69
04-12-2009, 08:27 AM
Did Larry see a $20 bill on the ground during this play or something?

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/5215/powaa9.gif


hey...even a broke clock is right twice a day.

only difference is...you can invest money into a broken clock and expect it to run for a few years...

SNR
04-12-2009, 08:54 AM
hey...even a broke clock is right twice a day.

only difference is...you can invest money into a broken clock and expect it to run for a few years...I invested money in your mom's buttcrack last night

Just Passin' By
04-12-2009, 08:57 AM
So Whitlock's going to take the non-issue of Waters' hurt feelings and try to blow it up into Watergate. I guess he's still not getting any news from the Chiefs' front office and has nothing better to write about.

Count Alex's Losses
04-12-2009, 08:59 AM
So Whitlock's going to take the non-issue of Waters' hurt feelings and try to blow it up into Watergate. I guess he's still not getting any news from the Chiefs' front office and has nothing better to write about.

Waters has done more whining lately than Larry.

And guess which one showed up to offseason workouts?

I'll give you a hint: he had a body fat percentage under 20.

Hog Farmer
04-12-2009, 09:04 AM
Summary:

I've got nothing to say .



What a waste of an article !

Buehler445
04-12-2009, 10:21 AM
Is the offseason over yet?

MGRS13
04-12-2009, 10:32 AM
Waters? Really who gives a shit. Once again I bon't blame Pioli or Haley every one on this team has been treated like a fucking 4 year old on their birthday for the past 3 years. If waters can't stand the fact that he is part of one of the worst football teams in the league and deserves to be treated as such then he can go fuck himself. As far as LJ cares you mister claythan are wrong again LJ=Darling at this point.

the Talking Can
04-12-2009, 10:52 AM
Vrabel got shipped out as a freebie with the Cassel package, that's how much "respect" NE shows its veterans...and Fatlock expects Pioli to kiss the ass of a GUARD on the worst team in the league?

give me a fucking break...if Waters is that big a pussy then get rid of him

DeezNutz
04-12-2009, 10:52 AM
Johnson has no trade value. He refuses to block. Heís an unreliable runner. He has a bad attitude. His best years are long gone. A team would be foolish to trade for Johnson.


Yes on all accounts.

J Diddy
04-12-2009, 11:11 AM
Waters has done more whining lately than Larry.

And guess which one showed up to offseason workouts?

I'll give you a hint: he had a body fat percentage under 20.

Because that's the only hope of increasing his wallet fat percentage over 20.

SBK
04-12-2009, 11:20 AM
Vrabel got shipped out as a freebie with the Cassel package, that's how much "respect" NE shows its veterans...and Fatlock expects Pioli to kiss the ass of a GUARD on the worst team in the league?

give me a ****ing break...if Waters is that big a pussy then get rid of him

Bingo.

StcChief
04-12-2009, 11:42 AM
So Whitlock's going to take the non-issue of Waters' hurt feelings and try to blow it up into Watergate. I guess he's still not getting any news from the Chiefs' front office and has nothing better to write about. I love it the Chiefs won't talk to Fatlock or anybody else in Media. Why should they? Job 1 turn the franchise around and Win.
What Clark paid them to do.

B_Ambuehl
04-12-2009, 12:21 PM
He's right about this though. Waters is looked up to probably more than any other player in that locker room and Haley has done nothing but come across like a primadona douchebag of epic proportions. How this turns out will go a long way in how the players feel about what's going on. All the talk about "bringing in leadership" from the outside is a bunch of bullshit. Vrabel and those guys are gonna be seen as a bunch of rats.

wild1
04-12-2009, 12:31 PM
Waters has done more whining lately than Larry.

And guess which one showed up to offseason workouts?

I'll give you a hint: he had a body fat percentage under 20.

Guess which one is trying to look like a choir boy at the last minute, because he mouthed and pouted his way into a $3+ million pay cut?

I can't wait until that lazy, woman abusing quitter is gone.

dtebbe
04-12-2009, 12:53 PM
Vrabel got shipped out as a freebie with the Cassel package, that's how much "respect" NE shows its veterans...and Fatlock expects Pioli to kiss the ass of a GUARD on the worst team in the league?

give me a ****ing break...if Waters is that big a pussy then get rid of him

Plus it's pretty much a known fact that Vrabel was a locker room dickhole.

DT

COchief
04-12-2009, 12:59 PM
Plus it's pretty much a known fact that Vrabel was a locker room dickhole.

DT

Please elaborate, never heard anything about him. Also doesn't seem to be a part of the Patriot way.

Count Alex's Losses
04-12-2009, 01:04 PM
Guess which one is trying to look like a choir boy at the last minute

Please.

You can call Larry many things, but a liar is not one of them.

milkman
04-12-2009, 01:11 PM
Please.

You can call Larry many things, but a liar is not one of them.

Yeah, cause there's no way that he didn't have a sudden epiphany and realized how much he wants to stay in KC just cause he loves it so much.

Never mind about the money.

wild1
04-12-2009, 01:15 PM
Please.

You can call Larry many things, but a liar is not one of them.

Why should I believe he is a person of high moral character when everything I know about him says otherwise?

the Talking Can
04-12-2009, 01:21 PM
Please.

You can call Larry many things, but a liar is not one of them.

ROFL

the guy's whole life is a fucking lie

KCinNY
04-12-2009, 01:26 PM
Veteran team leaders on a 2-14 joke are worthless.

Veteran team leaders who sport multiple rings have at least some value.

Count Alex's Losses
04-12-2009, 01:39 PM
Why should I believe he is a person of high moral character when everything I know about him says otherwise?

Do you think an asshole would stay to sign autographs for EVERY fan after routine training camp practices?

Do you think an asshole would do this?

http://www.kcchiefs.com/media/images/60E24527DDAE4D30809EDD62ECB94D8B.JPG?0.7558463227412853

We know Larry Johnson has problems. But to suggest he is dishonest is just mean-spirited.

kysirsoze
04-12-2009, 01:50 PM
Please.

You can call Larry many things, but a liar is not one of them.

:rolleyes:What the hell are you basing this on?

Fine, I will call him something else. Greedy. I loved in Hard Knocks when they interviewed Larry and he said a bunch of crap about how it's not about the money. It's respect. Blah Blah. Then it shows him in a store and a guy asks him if he's going to be in camp and he says something to the effect of, 'sure, as soon as I get my money.' Then they laugh and slap hands.

Sure, he wants to be a good little Chief and work real hard... until he gets his money.:grr:

kysirsoze
04-12-2009, 01:51 PM
Do you think an asshole would stay to sign autographs for EVERY fan after routine training camp practices?

Do you think an asshole would do this?

http://www.kcchiefs.com/media/images/60E24527DDAE4D30809EDD62ECB94D8B.JPG?0.7558463227412853

We know Larry Johnson has problems. But to suggest he is dishonest is just mean-spirited.


Because there's no ego stroke whatsoever in fans lining up to worship him. Especially when most of the fan base is alienated by his behavior on and off the field.

Count Alex's Losses
04-12-2009, 01:53 PM
Quite frankly, he was owed money.

If he hadn't gotten that contract he likely would never have received a big payday given how badly Herm fucked up the offense, ruining LJ's prime years.

Larry Johnson has earned every penny. He'll be the all-time leading rusher in Chiefs history quite shortly.

wild1
04-12-2009, 01:56 PM
Do you think an asshole would stay to sign autographs for EVERY fan after routine training camp practices?

Do you think an asshole would do this?

http://www.kcchiefs.com/media/images/60E24527DDAE4D30809EDD62ECB94D8B.JPG?0.7558463227412853

We know Larry Johnson has problems. But to suggest he is dishonest is just mean-spirited.

Good thing those aren't girls old enough to get into The Drink, or he'd be slapping them around

Count Alex's Losses
04-12-2009, 01:57 PM
I think we've all made mistakes when under the influence.

At least Larry isn't pissing on anyone.

jAZ
04-12-2009, 02:03 PM
Why did Waters demand the special treatment of an in-person meeting with the two newly hired guys who if they take the meeting, they then have to worry about having to hold simlar adhoc, in-person meetings with 80 different people?

What was so critical that Waters needed to do his own thing like that?

Raised On Riots
04-12-2009, 02:07 PM
I think we've all made mistakes when under the influence.

At least Larry isn't pissing on anyone.

ROFL

Count Alex's Losses
04-12-2009, 02:09 PM
Larry hasn't beaten a woman since college.

Seriously, if roles were reversed, and LJ had skipped the workouts, he would be crucified.

Double standard.

LaChapelle
04-12-2009, 02:22 PM
Pioli would probably rather deal with Vrabel as the Chiefs' NFLP rep than Waters. The Waters dust up could all be about a power struggle(the timing would need checked).

Fruit Ninja
04-12-2009, 02:25 PM
Whoever can help us win, then let them play. That other shit is none of my business. I just want the team to win. I wont ever know any of these players personally, so all that other shit means nothing to me.

RufusRJones
04-12-2009, 02:32 PM
Whitlock obviously have never lead a group of individuals in any sort of goal - a business, a club and team. When you inherit a business that's failing, you don't bend over and kiss the arses of everyone there and tell them how much you love them...sorry but that respect is earned. Pioli and Haley wouldn't be there if other people had done their jobs.

The first thing a good leader does in these situations is assess what's going on...then set some expectations. I think both were done. The "22 guys off the street" comment and the refusal to take an adhoc meeting were clear signs. It wasn't just to Waters, it would have been to any of the current players. Waters shouldn't take it personally, and Whitlock is too stupid to understand that players on a 2-14 team don't deserve respect...they should be busting their arses to make sure they have a job.

B_Ambuehl
04-12-2009, 03:10 PM
The problem is that's the same thing other young Belichik coatdraggers have tried to do and as a general rule they've failed. I imagine Pioli will eventually pass the blame onto Haley but this John Wayne bullshit usually doesn't fly unless you're a guy who's earned the respect. Mangina went into NY with that attitude and quickly got run out of town. McDaniels hasn't even coached a game in Denver and is already pretty much a dead man walking. Haley already has a history of not being respected by 2 different teams, do the math.

Raised On Riots
04-12-2009, 03:13 PM
The problem is that's the same thing other young Belichik coatdraggers have tried to do and as a general rule they've failed. I imagine Pioli will eventually pass the blame onto Haley but this John Wayne bullshit usually doesn't fly unless you're a guy who's earned the respect. Mangina went into NY with that attitude and quickly got run out of town. McDaniels hasn't even coached a game in Denver and is already pretty much a dead man walking. Haley already has a history of not being respected by 2 different teams, do the math.

True.

Count Alex's Losses
04-12-2009, 03:13 PM
Mangina had a shitty coaching background. He's a fraud.

McDaniels fucked up a FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.

A coach and a GM, the former with a WEALTH of coaching experience and the latter with rings out the ass, pissing off a 32-year old guard, isn't remotely the same.

Halfcan
04-12-2009, 03:13 PM
nothing to read hear

Count Alex's Losses
04-12-2009, 03:14 PM
So I'm like, more popular with Chiefs fans than Whitlock now.

Bustin' makes me feel good!

Raised On Riots
04-12-2009, 03:15 PM
Mangina had a shitty coaching background. He's a fraud.

McDaniels fucked up a FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.

A coach and a GM, the former with a WEALTH of coaching experience and the latter with rings out the ass, pissing off a 32-year old guard, isn't remotely the same.

True.

Raised On Riots
04-12-2009, 03:15 PM
So I'm like, more popular with Chiefs fans than Whitlock now.

Bustin' makes me feel good!

True.

Mecca
04-12-2009, 03:19 PM
Whitlock takes up for his good buddy Waters, man I'm stunned.

They can both go in my opinion.

Raised On Riots
04-12-2009, 03:20 PM
Whitlock takes up for his good buddy Waters, man I'm stunned.

They can both go in my opinion.

But...but WHO will pay Gates light bill???

Count Alex's Losses
04-12-2009, 03:20 PM
Whitlock takes up for his good buddy Waters, man I'm stunned.

They can both go in my opinion.

Why do you want to create so many holes on this goddamn team?

We have enough on defense as it is. Be nice to build a defense and then find replacements for LJ and Waters in the draft in a couple years. That's do-able.

Mecca
04-12-2009, 03:24 PM
Why do you want to create so many holes on this goddamn team?

We have enough on defense as it is. Be nice to build a defense and then find replacements for LJ and Waters in the draft in a couple years. That's do-able.

Just for the record this draft is deep at OL and you can get a RB any year in the draft...

This is a pretty weak defensive draft so I don't think it'd be a great idea to take a bunch of defenders this year.

Hell the best positions in the draft are OL and WR.

Count Alex's Losses
04-12-2009, 03:29 PM
It's still wasting picks on holes that are already filled.

Raised On Riots
04-12-2009, 03:30 PM
Just for the record this draft is deep at OL and you can get a RB any year in the draft...

This is a pretty weak defensive draft so I don't think it'd be a great idea to take a bunch of defenders this year.

Hell the best positions in the draft are OL and WR.

So you anticipate Taylor or Crabtree at 3 if no trade down?

Mecca
04-12-2009, 03:44 PM
It's still wasting picks on holes that are already filled.

They're not filled for long even if you keep those players they're both in their mid 30's and neither one has a great attitude. Oh not to mention Waters isn't even really all that good anymore.

Count Alex's Losses
04-12-2009, 03:46 PM
They're not filled for long even if you keep those players they're both in their mid 30's and neither one has a great attitude. Oh not to mention Waters isn't even really all that good anymore.

Maybe you have a point. If we can find a guard in the 3rd and a RB in the 4th there's not much point in keeping LJ and Waters around.

Mecca
04-12-2009, 03:46 PM
You can find a RB in the mid to late rounds every single year, finding another RB shouldn't even be a reason not to get rid of a guy.

Count Alex's Losses
04-12-2009, 03:49 PM
You can find a RB in the mid to late rounds every single year, finding another RB shouldn't even be a reason not to get rid of a guy.

Like Kolby Smith? That worked out well.

Mecca
04-12-2009, 03:49 PM
Like Kolby Smith? That worked out well.

Lets not use him as an example, he's not a good one.

I'm a pretty big fan of James Davis in this years draft.

Count Alex's Losses
04-12-2009, 03:51 PM
Lets not use him as an example, he's not a good one.

I'm a pretty big fan of James Davis in this years draft.

Don't we already have a guy like that in Charles?

EDIT - Nevermind he's 218

I am intrigued. Priestlike?

Mecca
04-12-2009, 03:52 PM
Don't we already have a guy like that in Charles?

Uh no, you're thinking of the guy he teamed with CJ Spiller he's the speed, Davis was the power.

Mecca
04-12-2009, 03:53 PM
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Count Alex's Losses
04-12-2009, 03:54 PM
Honestly, I looked at this guy and did not think power back. I'm probably spoiled by LJ. But seriously, he looks like a WR.

http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/6161/jamesdavis3gm2.jpg

Mecca
04-12-2009, 03:57 PM
Watch the video...

Count Alex's Losses
04-12-2009, 03:57 PM
More impressed with his change of direction than anything.

Mecca
04-12-2009, 03:58 PM
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Mecca
04-12-2009, 03:59 PM
Well lets understand he teamed with this guy...

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Count Alex's Losses
04-12-2009, 04:10 PM
Reminds me of a poor man's LT than anything...if he packed on 10 lbs.

Mecca
04-12-2009, 04:11 PM
We're talking about a guy who's gonna go in the 3rd or 4th round...it's not like going "hey lets take one in the 1st"

Count Alex's Losses
04-12-2009, 04:12 PM
We're talking about a guy who's gonna go in the 3rd or 4th round...it's not like going "hey lets take one in the 1st"

I'm just saying, I doubt that guy could carry the ball 300 times. That's what I want. Maybe it's not for the best.

Mecca
04-12-2009, 04:15 PM
Strengths:
Good size and bulk....Excellent instincts....Terrific vision...Very good patience...Strong and will break tackles...Has some power and runs hard...Nice balance...Superb inside runner...Hits the hole with authority and has a burst...A reliable blocker and gives good effort...Good ball security...Durable with a lot of experience...Very productive...Has a nose for the endzone...Is mature and a team player.

Weaknesses:
Does not have elite timed speed or quickness...Doesn't have much wiggle and isn't very elusive...Average route runner with limited experience catching the ball...Hands are a question mark...Has never carried the load and been a workhorse ... May not have a ton of upside.

Notes:
Enjoyed an exceptional college career and really made his mark in the Tigers record books...Initially declared for the 2008 NFL Draft but decided to return to Death Valley for his senior season when he saw so many other underclassmen running backs going pro...Split carries with C.J. Spiller the last few years and doesn't have as many miles on his tires as most four-year starters...Underwent surgery to repair a separated left shoulder in the summer of '08...Numbers were down as a senior but that was due in large part to a lack of opportunities and an inexperienced offensive line...Very good natural runner but isn't flashy and won't wow anyone in a workout setting...Has starting potential and should at the very least be a solid backup...Underrated and could be a steal for someone late on Day One or early on Day Two.
Career Statistics
Year GP Att Yds Avg TD Rec Yds TD
2005 11 165 913 5.3 9 19 152 0
2006 13 203 1,219 5.8 17 6 115 0
2007 13 214 1,101 5.1 10 12 136 2
2008 13 171 751 4.4 11 14 123 0
Totals 50 753 3,984 5.3 47 51 526 2


He's obviously going to need to be in a tandem backfield he spent 3 years of his college career in a tendem with a superspeed guy.

His 218 still puts him as one of the bigger backs in the draft, unless you think Chris Wells and Shonn Greene are the shit and want a 250lb RB.

Count Alex's Losses
04-12-2009, 04:16 PM
Honestly compare that guy to LJ, or even Kolby Smith. He doesn't look that big by comparison.

Maybe he's bigger than Charles, but I wouldn't want him taking the rock down by the goalline.

Mecca
04-12-2009, 04:19 PM
He's 220lbs....

It's more important that he's been an inside runner his entire career and is very good at it than it is than he weighs 240lbs or something ridiculous like that. I'm talking about a good mid round prospect here, not using a 1st round pick on a RB.

You're being overly picky for a position that has a short lifespan where numerous guys produce without a problem.

htismaqe
04-12-2009, 04:22 PM
I wish we had a shot at Shonn Greene, but he'll be gone before we pick in the 3rd. I like Davis, though. He'd be a nice consolation prize.

Count Alex's Losses
04-12-2009, 04:23 PM
He's 220lbs....
.

I don't care what he's listed at.

Look at him. No way that guy is moving a pile at the 1-yard line.

Mecca
04-12-2009, 04:23 PM
I wish we had a shot at Shonn Greene, but he'll be gone before we pick in the 3rd. I like Davis, though. He'd be a nice consolation prize.

Yea Greene's going higher than I wanna use a pick on a RB.

Hell I think Moreno is gonna be a great player, he reminds me of Priest Holmes.

Mecca
04-12-2009, 04:24 PM
I don't care what he's listed at.

Look at him. No way that guy is moving a pile at the 1-yard line.

You don't have to move a pile..look how many TD's he had in his career...he's an excellent inside runner that knows how to find the hole. Priest Holmes didn't move piles.

htismaqe
04-12-2009, 04:26 PM
I don't care what he's listed at.

Look at him. No way that guy is moving a pile at the 1-yard line.

Forget moving a pile - find a crease. Holmes and Marcus Allen were never denied and they never moved a pile.

Count Alex's Losses
04-12-2009, 04:27 PM
You don't have to move a pile..look how many TD's he had in his career...he's an excellent inside runner that knows how to find the hole. Priest Holmes didn't move piles.

Priest Holmes' piles got out of the way for him. He ran behind the greatest offensive line seen in a decade.

James Davis may not be so lucky.

Mecca
04-12-2009, 04:29 PM
I think you have this love of the big back when in reality...most guys aren't that big. 220lbs is pretty big for a RB in todays game...

Count Alex's Losses
04-12-2009, 04:30 PM
I think you have this love of the big back when in reality...most guys aren't that big. 220lbs is pretty big for a RB in todays game...

I agree, I'm biased.

Mecca
04-12-2009, 04:32 PM
I'm trying to think how many guys that start at RB in the league are bigger than James Davis is...there aren't that many.

And LeSean McCoy has a good chance of going in the 1st round and he's 195lbs.

mlyonsd
04-12-2009, 04:36 PM
I wonder how many hams Whitlock ate today.

I totally understand bashing the Chiefs under Carl and Herm. But writing this kind of crap when the organization is going a different direction is just stupid.

kysirsoze
04-12-2009, 04:41 PM
I wonder how many hams Whitlock ate today.

I totally understand bashing the Chiefs under Carl and Herm. But writing this kind of crap when the organization is going a different direction is just stupid.

THREE HAMS WILL FILL HIM!
THREE HAMS WILL THRILL HIM!
WHY DON'T YOU FEED HIM....THREE HAMS!!!!