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Direckshun
04-12-2009, 02:41 PM
If we trade Tony G, doesn't this entire draft become about offense?

We need another RB (LJ), we need to fill two spots on the OL (C and RT), and we're going to need a whole new set of receiving options if we lose Tony G.

This is a very big loss that we're going to need a couple picks to fill.

Mecca
04-12-2009, 02:51 PM
I don't think we're building a 1 year team, but in fairness the draft is much deeper on offense than defense this year...

This is generally what I'd tell you this team needs core positions, TE isn't one of them.

htismaqe
04-12-2009, 03:05 PM
This draft is a better offensive draft anyway.

aturnis
04-12-2009, 03:55 PM
Just b/c it's better, doesn't mean it's all that great either. In all fairness though, the real value really is on the offensive side of the ball.

SNR
04-12-2009, 04:32 PM
We drafted Cottam last year. It's fucking RETARDED to spend another pick on a TE

Buehler445
04-12-2009, 04:43 PM
Yes. I think this teams becomes pretty horrid offensively if TG leaves.

O-Line - Shitty. Shittier if TG isn't around to block sometimes.
QB - 1 solid year, but loses a go to guy.
RB - LJ (ROFL), a speedster that is not an everydown back, an oft busted Kolby Smith
FB - Cox played well (who knows if we will use a FB though.
WR - Bowe (who will now get double teamed), Cottam - has potential but hasn't caught many passes, Bradley has potential but is broken a lot, and old guys.

Gah...

Direckshun
04-12-2009, 05:01 PM
We drafted Cottam last year. It's ****ing RETARDED to spend another pick on a TE

Well when you have 1 TE...

SNR
04-12-2009, 05:31 PM
Well when you have 1 TE...I'm not against a late round pick, but when you trade Tony for a 2nd and spend a 3rd rounder to get a good replacement, and put in Cottam as Tony's replacement, you get a significant downgrade at the position for moving your 3rd round pick up a couple spots.

That's dumb.

KCDC
04-12-2009, 05:55 PM
This year it is about relearning how to win. Someone like TG is invaluable for that on the offensive side. Brian Waters might qualify, but we need a big play guy.

We had no one on the defensive side that could do that last year, but now maybe Vrabel and Thomas can fill that role. Use a veteran leader on each side of the ball and re-instill confidence that we can win and no longer fold in the third quarter like a cheap suit.

OnTheWarpath58
04-12-2009, 06:00 PM
WTF do we need to spend ANOTHER pick on a TE for?

Haley's offense doesn't use the TE anyway.

Build for the future, not wasting picks trying to fill a HOF'ers shoes.

Mecca
04-12-2009, 06:25 PM
I think the idea that Tony Gonzalez is a leader is pretty overblown...he cares about his personal stats and all that but team leader I've never seen that.

And if your TE is your big play guy that's really all you need to know about needing players.

ChiefsCountry
04-12-2009, 06:42 PM
But Hootie the Rapist said we will win the AFC West this year.

DeezNutz
04-12-2009, 06:49 PM
If we don't stock up on G's and TE's, we're fucking stupid.

OnTheWarpath58
04-12-2009, 06:50 PM
If we don't stock up on G's and TE's, we're fucking stupid.

Don't forget backup LT's and FB's.

DeezNutz
04-12-2009, 06:53 PM
Don't forget backup LT's and FB's.

Indeed.

As Chiefs fans, all of this knowledge that we're sharing should be implicit. But it's always best to be sure...

Bowser
04-12-2009, 06:54 PM
It would be nice to have Gonzalez as a security blanket for Cassell, but if Atl is really offering a second rounder for a 34 year old tight end, you take it with sincere thanks.

SBK
04-12-2009, 07:46 PM
Trading Gonzo means we need an actual #2 WR. We might have that on the roster, but I doubt it.

Rookie WR's don't usually do anything, so it'll be interesting.

Touchdown Bowe
04-12-2009, 08:24 PM
Trading Gonzo means we need an actual #2 WR. We might have that on the roster, but I doubt it.

Rookie WR's don't usually do anything, so it'll be interesting.

Yeah..Randy Moss' rookie year was a joke..and Donnie Avery and Eddie Royals rookie years were jokes also

Coogs
04-12-2009, 08:40 PM
Yeah..Randy Moss' rookie year was a joke..and Donnie Avery and Eddie Royals rookie years were jokes also

Our very own D. Wayne Bowe put up damn nice numbers his rookie season, and followed it up with a pretty fair sophmore season. Given the state of our QB's, HC, OC, DC, O-line, and RB you wold have to think he could do even better sometime in the near future.

Put a solid WR on the opposite side... Crabtree maybe... and things open up for everyone involved. RB's and even TE's. Cottom could flourish running the middle with not much coverage.

bdeg
04-12-2009, 08:55 PM
Our very own D. Wayne Bowe put up damn nice numbers his rookie season, and followed it up with a pretty fair sophmore season. Given the state of our QB's, HC, OC, DC, O-line, and RB you wold have to think he could do even better sometime in the near future.

Put a solid WR on the opposite side... Crabtree maybe... and things open up for everyone involved. RB's and even TE's. Cottom could flourish running the middle with not much coverage.

Yup, Bowe is ideally an amazing #2. But pair him with a speedy #2 that can stretch the field and he's decent #1.

I'm looking forward to seeing Cottam develop along with Charles.

htismaqe
04-13-2009, 09:43 AM
WTF do we need to spend ANOTHER pick on a TE for?

Haley's offense doesn't use the TE anyway.

Build for the future, not wasting picks trying to fill a HOF'ers shoes.

It wouldn't hurt to draft one late.

OnTheWarpath58
04-13-2009, 09:45 AM
It wouldn't hurt to draft one late.

Can't disagree with that.

But there are plenty of people here who think we have to turn that 2nd round pick we'd get for TG into another TE.

SBK
04-13-2009, 10:05 AM
Yeah..Randy Moss' rookie year was a joke..and Donnie Avery and Eddie Royals rookie years were jokes also

I say 'don't usually do anything' and you bring in as evidence 3 WR's, one of who had the best rookie season in NFL history.

I swear people don't read. When a rookie WR has a good year it's considered a surprise, why do you think that is?

DTLB58
04-13-2009, 06:23 PM
I think the idea that Tony Gonzalez is a leader is pretty overblown...he cares about his personal stats and all that but team leader I've never seen that.

And if your TE is your big play guy that's really all you need to know about needing players.

Maybe Pioli thinks the same thing since they are trying to build a team with the "right" 53 players.

Great Expectations
04-14-2009, 08:17 AM
We drafted Cottam last year. It's ****ing RETARDED to spend another pick on a TE

I don't understand this mentality. I don't think it matters who we drafted last year or the 10 years before that. The previouse regimes blew at the draft outside of the secondary, one offensive lineman, and one wide receiver.

We need to draft on what we need, if we need a TE draft one. If we need a DT draft one, if we need an OL draft one. You have to move forward, if we keep waiting on Herm's players to develop we won't get much better.

Coogs
04-14-2009, 08:28 AM
We need to draft on what we need, if we need a TE draft one. If we need a DT draft one, if we need an OL draft one.

:shake:

If two players are rated equal at the pick, then yeah, probably go with the need.

Last night on Total Access, right at the end of the show they did their standard 4 Downs question. One of the questions was "Would aquiring TG put Atlanta in the Super Bowl hunt?" (Or something pretty close to that, as I am paraphrasing)

The reply was something like this...

TE's don't win you Super Bowls...

Chiefnj2
04-14-2009, 08:33 AM
:shake:

If two players are rated equal at the pick, then yeah, probably go with the need.

Last night on Total Access, right at the end of the show they did their standard 4 Downs question. One of the questions was "Would aquiring TG put Atlanta in the Super Bowl hunt?" (Or something pretty close to that, as I am paraphrasing)

The reply was something like this...

TE's don't win you Super Bowls...

I don't think the Ravens win the Super Bowl without Sharpe. He was their only source of big plays in the playoffs.

Coogs
04-14-2009, 08:48 AM
I don't think the Ravens win the Super Bowl without Sharpe. He was their only source of big plays in the playoffs.


That's true. But IIRC, even Sharpe was more of an accsessory piece to a powerful running game/play action pass type offense than a main option of the offense. He just happened to take routine pass plays to the house due to great athletic ability and some poor tackling.