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kcbubb
04-13-2009, 03:01 PM
draft LT Monroe, the college teammate of current LT B. Albert of the Chiefs, and move Albert to RT and start Monroe at LT. See the video clip below.

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80f99143

DaneMcCloud
04-13-2009, 03:03 PM
draft LT Monroe, the college teammate of current LT B. Albert of the Chiefs, and move Albert to RT and start Monroe at LT. See the video clip below.

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80f99143

IF that happens, that'll be strike two for the Haley/Pioli team.

El Jefe
04-13-2009, 03:03 PM
IF that happens, that'll be strike two for the Haley/Pioli team.

Indeed.

Mr. Arrowhead
04-13-2009, 03:04 PM
well i would be more happy with this pick than drafting curry

DeezNutz
04-13-2009, 03:07 PM
Yeah!

I really, really hope we move one of the most promising young LT's in the game in an effort to get another promising, young LT.

kcbubb
04-13-2009, 03:08 PM
it's a great rumor for us though. hopefully it will increase the trade value of the pick. i'm hoping the bengals will give us their 2nd and maybe a conditional pick next year for the #3 pick to draft Monroe.

the bengals could really use a solid LT.

ChiefsCountry
04-13-2009, 03:09 PM
IF that happens, that'll be strike two for the Haley/Pioli team.

They have a few more than from me.

SBK
04-13-2009, 03:38 PM
If we do that I hope Herm Edwards swoops in and gives Pioli a mushroom stamp.

DrRyan
04-13-2009, 03:45 PM
I really think all this shows us is that the media still has no ****ing clue what is going on at One Arrowhead Drive. Gotta stir the pot, make up story lines and get people talking. Right now I would put it at: trade down 60%, Curry 25%, O line 15%. I obviously could be wrong, but I just can't see Pioli taking an OL at #3 with this draft being very deep at OL and Albert showing last year that he could very likely be the Chiefs LT for years to come.

BigMeatballDave
04-13-2009, 03:45 PM
Completely retarded. Mayock should go ahead and shoot himself in the face...

SBK
04-13-2009, 03:48 PM
When we were talking to Pioli to be our GM I remember someone said he was very interested in KC because they had some pieces in place, one of which was their rookie LT.

If that report was accurate, I can't imagine his first pick would be to move one of the keys to the franchise he saw before he got here.

KCChiefsMan
04-13-2009, 04:13 PM
IF that happens, that'll be strike two for the Haley/Pioli team.

what is strike 1?

Mecca
04-13-2009, 04:15 PM
what is strike 1?

Matt Cassel

Tim Krumrie

There are a couple...

DaneMcCloud
04-13-2009, 04:16 PM
what is strike 1?

For me?

The shitty ass defensive staff.

Only the Chiefs would pick a DC and staff that's worse than Gunther and his might band of assclowns.

keg in kc
04-13-2009, 04:17 PM
I really think all this shows us is that the media still has no ****ing clue what is going onYep.

Mr. Arrowhead
04-13-2009, 04:18 PM
IF that happens, that'll be strike two for the Haley/Pioli team.

I wonder how many strikes King Carl got LMAO

raybec 4
04-13-2009, 04:18 PM
If we do that I hope Herm Edwards swoops in and gives Pioli a mushroom stamp.

It's a pretty low thing to actually DESERVE a mushroom stamp fron The Herm.

Scorp
04-13-2009, 04:40 PM
As long as they don't draft Dirty Sanchez, I don't care who they draft.

jtfris
04-13-2009, 05:24 PM
If we can't trade out this is the best pick. Those who think taking another potential franchise tackle is a bad idea don't really understand football.

Mecca
04-13-2009, 05:25 PM
If we can't trade out this is the best pick. Those who think taking another potential franchise tackle is a bad idea don't really understand football.

Really?

I think making it where Branden Albert leaves when his 1st contract is up is a brilliant move that speaks to understanding football.

DaneMcCloud
04-13-2009, 05:26 PM
If we can't trade out this is the best pick. Those who think taking another potential franchise tackle is a bad idea don't really understand football.

The n00bs this year are terrifyingly stupid

chiefs1111
04-13-2009, 05:36 PM
Are people blind or something. How can they not realize we already have our LT,we don't need to draft another one at number 3.

htismaqe
04-13-2009, 06:22 PM
If we can't trade out this is the best pick. Those who think taking another potential franchise tackle is a bad idea don't really understand football.

You need to take a look at the history of teams that have two first round tackles (or even 1st round guards in some cases).

the Talking Can
04-13-2009, 06:36 PM
blows my mind that people think we should move albert...and spend consecutive first round picks on LT...

Brock
04-13-2009, 06:40 PM
If we can't trade out this is the best pick. Those who think taking another potential franchise tackle is a bad idea don't really understand football.

Those who think it's a good idea to invest multiple first round picks on the offensive line obviously don't know shit, and the last several teams to win super bowls prove it.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-13-2009, 08:50 PM
The n00bs this year are terrifyingly stupid

That's why it's best to neg rep them into Bolivian.

Reerun_KC
04-13-2009, 11:21 PM
Completely retarded. Mayock should go ahead and shoot himself in the face...

Why? He has single handly controlled this message board ever since he annoited Curry as the second coming of Jesus himself...

Mr. Kotter
04-13-2009, 11:25 PM
It's a lot of money to invest in bookends for the next decade. I can see Pioli doin' it....IF, and it's a mighty big "if" cause I think there's a market for the Number 3 overall pick....IF they can't trade-down in the first.

If they trade-down in the first round, I can see them STILL drafting a RT or C to solidify the O-Line, though it wouldn't be a given...

:hmmm:

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-13-2009, 11:30 PM
You aren't solidifying bookends for the next decade, you're doing it through the remainder of Branden Albert's contract, if Monroe works out. Once Albert is done, he's gonna go somewhere that sees him as a LT and he'll get LT money.

We can't give that to two players on their second contracts.

wazu
04-13-2009, 11:31 PM
I was actually on board with this plan a month or so ago, but Chiefsplanet talked me out of it. Now my board looks something like this:

1. Sanchez
2. Stafford
3. Orakpo (screw all of you who hate this)
4. Raji
5. Ev. Brown
6. Curry

kcbubb
04-14-2009, 08:55 AM
You aren't solidifying bookends for the next decade, you're doing it through the remainder of Branden Albert's contract, if Monroe works out. Once Albert is done, he's gonna go somewhere that sees him as a LT and he'll get LT money.

We can't give that to two players on their second contracts.

what is the rule for franchising players when it comes to positions like RT and LT? if you franchised Albert, wouldn't you have to pay him RT money or trade him, not LT money?

Chiefnj2
04-14-2009, 08:59 AM
You aren't solidifying bookends for the next decade, you're doing it through the remainder of Branden Albert's contract, if Monroe works out. Once Albert is done, he's gonna go somewhere that sees him as a LT and he'll get LT money.

We can't give that to two players on their second contracts.

Bookends for 5 years?

KC could offer Albert a 2 year extension right now for 9 million guaranteed.

htismaqe
04-14-2009, 10:56 AM
Bookends for 5 years?

KC could offer Albert a 2 year extension right now for 9 million guaranteed.

Why would he agree with that? Especially if the team is going to move him to a position where he's going to get paid significantly less.

It's not about the contracts in the end. It's about Albert actually staying here. If we move him away from LT, he's as good as gone.

htismaqe
04-14-2009, 11:01 AM
what is the rule for franchising players when it comes to positions like RT and LT? if you franchised Albert, wouldn't you have to pay him RT money or trade him, not LT money?

Yeah, let's burn every possible bridge we can with one of the few promising young players we have...

DeezNutz
04-14-2009, 11:01 AM
You aren't solidifying bookends for the next decade, you're doing it through the remainder of Branden Albert's contract, if Monroe works out. Once Albert is done, he's gonna go somewhere that sees him as a LT and he'll get LT money.

We can't give that to two players on their second contracts.

If we're tinkering with the idea of burning the Dorsey pick, why not go balls out and burn the Albert pick as well?

Chiefnj2
04-14-2009, 11:14 AM
Why would he agree with that? Especially if the team is going to move him to a position where he's going to get paid significantly less.

It's not about the contracts in the end. It's about Albert actually staying here. If we move him away from LT, he's as good as gone.

Why would he do it? He got about 9 million as a bonus when he signed. He would be weighing doubling his money right now, or running the risk he won't get hurt or his play won't decline at the end of 5 years.

htismaqe
04-14-2009, 11:31 AM
If we're tinkering with the idea of burning the Dorsey pick, why not go balls out and burn the Albert pick as well?

Because Albert actually played at a high level.

htismaqe
04-14-2009, 11:32 AM
Why would he do it? He got about 9 million as a bonus when he signed. He would be weighing doubling his money right now, or running the risk he won't get hurt or his play won't decline at the end of 5 years.

Most of these guys don't approach it that way. It's about ego. He's a LT now and if the team tries to screw him, he's gonna be pissed.

DeezNutz
04-14-2009, 11:34 AM
Because Albert actually played at a high level.

I was kidding.

I'm not giving up on Dorsey, yet, either.

Chiefnj2
04-14-2009, 11:43 AM
Most of these guys don't approach it that way. It's about ego. He's a LT now and if the team tries to screw him, he's gonna be pissed.

Ego is part of it. A much larger part is money. It's a tough position to be in. 9 million now, or wait 5 more years with a much bigger risk.

DaneMcCloud
04-14-2009, 02:20 PM
Ego is part of it. A much larger part is money. It's a tough position to be in. 9 million now, or wait 5 more years with a much bigger risk.

$9 million? Who gives a fuck about $9 million?

The guy will be paid as one of top tackles in the league at a time when there's probably a Rookie Pay Scale in place, virtually guaranteeing him of huge dollars.

And what agent in his right mind would advise a client to do what you're suggesting?

Answer: No one.

Chiefnj2
04-14-2009, 02:30 PM
$9 million? Who gives a **** about $9 million?

The guy will be paid as one of top tackles in the league at a time when there's probably a Rookie Pay Scale in place, virtually guaranteeing him of huge dollars.

And what agent in his right mind would advise a client to do what you're suggesting?

Answer: No one.

How does a rookie pay scale affect a player entering his 2nd contract?

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-14-2009, 02:45 PM
How does a rookie pay scale affect a player entering his 2nd contract?

It frees up a dickton of cap room.

Chiefnj2
04-14-2009, 02:56 PM
It frees up a dickton of cap room.

Isn't there already a cap that teams have to fit all rookies into?

Do you really think a rookie cap is going to save a lot of money? Assuming one is ever adopted it'll be based on what is paid now, with small increases each year. They aren't ever going to go back on guaranteed money.

DaneMcCloud
04-14-2009, 02:59 PM
How does a rookie pay scale affect a player entering his 2nd contract?

The NFL is almost certain to have an NBA style rookie cap.

So for example, let's say the number overall pick receives $10 million dollars in guarantees. The second overall pick would receive a fraction of that (say $9.9 million) and so on throughout the draft.

What will happen is that teams will have an exorbitant amount of money for veterans on their second contract (as it should be).

In that case, Albert would clean up.

The owners have pretty much vowed to lock out the players until an agreement like this has been reached.

Chiefnj2
04-14-2009, 03:06 PM
The NFL is almost certain to have an NBA style rookie cap.

So for example, let's say the number overall pick receives $10 million dollars in guarantees. The second overall pick would receive a fraction of that (say $9.9 million) and so on throughout the draft.

What will happen is that teams will have an exorbitant amount of money for veterans on their second contract (as it should be).

In that case, Albert would clean up.

The owners have pretty much vowed to lock out the players until an agreement like this has been reached.

That's already how 99% of the NFL contracts work. #1 pick gets the most guaranteed and so forth. Occasionally a QB in the top 5 will throw it off a little. Even if the players agree to it, they aren't going to go back on guaranteed money. The starting point would be whatever this years #1 pick gets. They aren't going to all of a sudden agree to the #1 pick getting 20 mil guaranteed, unless the length of the contract is shortened to two years.

DaneMcCloud
04-14-2009, 03:17 PM
That's already how 99% of the NFL contracts work. #1 pick gets the most guaranteed and so forth. Occasionally a QB in the top 5 will throw it off a little. Even if the players agree to it, they aren't going to go back on guaranteed money. The starting point would be whatever this years #1 pick gets. They aren't going to all of a sudden agree to the #1 pick getting 20 mil guaranteed, unless the length of the contract is shortened to two years.

Trust me, there will be a Rookie Salary Cap.

The owners are tired of paying huge guarantees to unproven rookies at the top of the draft.

There WILL be a cap on the guaranteed money.

PhillyChiefFan
04-14-2009, 03:22 PM
smoke and mirrors.

They are trying to bait a team into moving up.

DeezNutz
04-14-2009, 03:24 PM
The owners have pretty much vowed to lock out the players until an agreement like this has been reached.

This won't be difficult to resolve.

When pressed, the first thing the vets will give up is the n00bs.

When Matt Ryan is getting P. Manning money without throwing a pass, that's ****ed up, and not appreciated by other players.

Chiefnj2
04-14-2009, 03:39 PM
This won't be difficult to resolve.

When pressed, the first thing the vets will give up is the n00bs.

When Matt Ryan is getting P. Manning money without throwing a pass, that's ****ed up, and not appreciated by other players.

I don't think the good vets mind that much because it pushes their value up as well.

DaneMcCloud
04-14-2009, 04:40 PM
I don't think the good vets mind that much because it pushes their value up as well.

No it doesn't.

ROFL

So, Matt Ryan getting a huge contract bodes well for free agents like Byron Leftwich?

Uh, how does that work?

DeezNutz
04-14-2009, 04:45 PM
No it doesn't.

ROFL

So, Matt Ryan getting a huge contract bodes well for free agents like Byron Leftwich?

Uh, how does that work?

n00bs under the bus when push comes to shove.

kcbubb
04-15-2009, 09:34 AM
mayock and billick

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80fc21e8

Chiefnj2
04-15-2009, 09:45 AM
No it doesn't.

ROFL

So, Matt Ryan getting a huge contract bodes well for free agents like Byron Leftwich?

Uh, how does that work?

I don't expect you to understand, but I'll explain anyway.

Veterans use contracts of other players at their position when negotiating their own contracts. When unproven guys get 30 mil guaranteed, it allows proven QB's to use those numbers to ask for more money.

Russel and Alex Smith had two of the top 5 total salaries last year for QB's. That affects how veteran QB's get paid - guys like Cassel who will get close to 15 mil this year.