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Chiefspants
04-13-2009, 05:24 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090413/ts_nm/us_somalia_piracy

MOGADISHU (Reuters) Somalia's militant Islamist rebel group al Shabaab said Monday it fired mortars at a plane carrying a U.S. lawmaker, a day after U.S. snipers killed three Somali pirates and freed the American ship captain they had been holding hostage.
An al Shabaab spokesman said his group fired at the plane carrying Representative Donald Payne as he left the anarchic Horn of Africa country following a rare one-day visit by a U.S. official. Payne's plane took off safely and no-one was hurt.
The successful rescue of Captain Richard Phillips, who had been held by pirates for five days in a drifting lifeboat after their attempt to hijack the U.S.-flagged container ship Maersk Alabama failed, was hailed in the United States as a "feel-good" story that temporarily lifted the country's spirits in gloomy economic times.
Three U.S. snipers each fired a single shot virtually simultaneously, each killing his target. A fourth pirate was captured alive.
The successful conclusion boosted President Barack Obama, who had authorized the U.S. navy to use force if the commander on the spot felt Phillips's life was in danger.
Obama, in brief comments Monday, called Phillips a hero and reiterated that he was resolved to work with other countries to combat piracy off the coast of Somalia.
"We're going to have to continue to work with our partners to prevent future attacks," Obama said. "We have to continue to be prepared to confront them when they arise."
More than 250 hostages of many nationalities are still being held along the Somali coast by pirates who have seized dozens of vessels, from tankers to yachts, in recent months.
Helicopters once again flew over pirate bases near Eyl on the Somali coast overnight after Phillips' rescue.
"They killed our friends on the lifeboat and we thought helicopters would bomb us in Eyl last night," a pirate in Eyl, who called himself Farah, told Reuters.
"We were mourning for dead friends and then roaring planes came -- grief upon grief. America has become our new enemy."
Al Shabaab, which condemns both piracy and anti-piracy patrols by international navies off Somalia, said the attack on Payne's plane was a message to the United States but did not directly link it to the hostage issue.
ENCOURAGE PROSECUTION
State Department spokesman Robert Wood said Washington was encouraging states to prosecute suspected pirates and working with the shipping industry to avoid future hijacks. He cautioned that the problem would not be solved overnight.
Responding to threats by the pirates' to kill foreign hostages in retaliation for the rescue, Wood said: "These folks are bandits. They're lawless."
Phillips was the first American taken by pirates who have plundered ships in the Gulf of Aden and Indian Ocean for years.
The U.S. Navy said the decision to shoot his kidnappers was a split-second one, taken because he appeared to be in imminent danger.
"They were pointing the AK-47s at the captain," Vice Admiral William Gortney, head of the U.S. Naval Central Command, said.
Phillips contacted his family after the rescue, received a medical check, and rested aboard the USS Boxer.
His crew set off flares, hoisted an American flag and jumped for joy at the news of their captain's rescue. They called on Obama to take the lead in combating piracy.
The Maersk Alabama, carrying food aid for the region, was attacked far out in the Indian Ocean Wednesday, but its 20 American crew regained control. Phillips volunteered to go with the pirates in a lifeboat in exchange for the crew's safety.
So far, pirates have generally treated hostages well, sometimes roasting goat meat for them and even letting them phone loved ones. The worst violence has been the occasional beating. No hostages are known to have been killed by pirates.

BucEyedPea
04-13-2009, 07:28 PM
Wtf is an American lawmaker there for anyway. We don't rule the world. He entered at his own risk.

banyon
04-13-2009, 07:53 PM
Wtf is an American lawmaker there for anyway. We don't rule the world. He entered at his own risk.

WTF?

So, if you aren't a resident government official, it's a free for all, huh?

Do you have a poster of Mad Max beyond Thunderdome in your house or not?

Nightwish
04-13-2009, 08:01 PM
Al Shabaab, which condemns both piracy and anti-piracy patrols by international navies off Somalia, said the attack on Payne's plane was a message to the United States but did not directly link it to the hostage issue.
I assume the message was, "Our aim is so bad that we can't hit a big-ass airplane sitting on the tarmac!"

Iowanian
04-13-2009, 08:09 PM
I think Somalia would be a good place for our Navy and Airforce to randomly fire off our old and expiring ordinances.

"Oh no, these crates of daisy cutters are getting dangerously close to their expiration date....remember Blackhawk Down and the pirate incidents? Lets see if those are still functional."


If nothing else, that is one more Utopian elected official who thought he could swoop into Hell and hug it out with the devil, who may think more clearly now.

Jenson71
04-13-2009, 08:17 PM
I think Somalia would be a good place for our Navy and Airforce to randomly fire off our old and expiring ordinances.

"Oh no, these crates of daisy cutters are getting dangerously close to their expiration date....remember Blackhawk Down and the pirate incidents? Lets see if those are still functional."


If nothing else, that is one more Utopian elected official who thought he could swoop into Hell and hug it out with the devil, who may think more clearly now.

Very good Iowanian! It has always been America's God-given duty to randomly bomb impoverished countries.

Iowanian
04-13-2009, 08:23 PM
Its not so much the country...its the barbarian assholes currently squatting on my oil fields that need to go!!!! YAR

Maybe you've forgotten some things about Somalia?

It was still a dipshit move by the esteemed elected official who decided he could just drop in there with a bucket of corn muffins and kick it with these peaceful people, just trying to live in this world.

Iowanian
04-13-2009, 08:33 PM
Its crazy I know, to think the US might possibly consider using some military solutions vs these pirates and terrorists....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30197775

A snippet
"WASHINGTON - The United States is considering new strategies in the aftermath of the high-seas hostage drama, including adding Navy gunships along the Somali coastline and launching a campaign to disable pirate "mother ships."

The rescue of an American hostage and the killing of three Somali pirates by Navy SEAL snipers also increases pressure on U.S. and international leaders to use newly granted authority to hunt pirates on land, where they plan and nurture attacks.

One day after his direct order allowing military force ended in success, President Barack Obama committed the United States to "halt the rise of piracy" without saying exactly how his administration and allies would do so. While stopping short of a pledge to eradicate piracy, the new U.S. president added the lawlessness off the coast of Africa to a lengthy must-fix list that already includes two wars and a struggling economy."

orange
04-13-2009, 08:35 PM
Wtf is an American lawmaker there for anyway. We don't rule the world. He entered at his own risk.

Congressman escapes injury in Somali mortar attack
By MOHAMED OLAD HASSAN, Associated Press Writer Mohamed Olad Hassan, Associated Press Writer 1 hr 44 mins ago

MOGADISHU, Somalia Assailants fired mortar shells at the Mogadishu airport as a plane carrying an American congressman took off, a police officer said Monday. The plane departed safely, but 19 Somalis were reported wounded in surrounding residential areas.

U.S. Rep. Don Payne, who met with Somalia's top leaders during his one-day visit, said that he had no idea of the violence until reaching Kenya after the flight from Mogadishu, one of the most dangerous cities in the world and rarely visited by foreign travelers.

"We found out when we arrived in Nairobi," the chairman of the House subcommittee on Africa told The Associated Press. He said that the aircraft noise probably drowned out the sound of the mortars.

The Islamic extremist group al-Shabab later claimed responsibility for the mortar barrage in a statement posted on a militant Web site, according to the terrorism monitoring group SITE.

The group claimed it launched the attack after learning of Payne's visit, according to SITE. The militants, who have targeted peacekeepers in their attacks, strongly oppose the new Somali government. The U.S. State Department says its leaders have links to al-Qaida.

But the New Jersey Democrat expressed confidence that he was never in danger, saying the African Union troops did a good job with his security.

With the officials he discussed security, cooperation between Somalia and the U.S. and piracy even as a high-seas standoff between the U.S. and pirates who seized an American sea captain ended with U.S. Navy snipers killing three pirates and freeing the seaman.

"The pirates were one of the main topics of discussion that I had with the president and prime minister there," he said "They want to work with our government. They have a plan to reduce piracy, which they'll be presenting to the U.S. in the next two or three weeks."

Somalia has been without a functioning government since 1991 when clan warlords ousted a longtime dictator. The current government has failed to protect citizens. The U.N. imposed sanctions in an effort to stem the flow of arms into Somalia, a key cause of the mayhem.

He said the government leaders were hoping for an end to sanctions which they said would facilitate efforts to build an army.

"The way they say you defeat piracy is on the ground. You don't let them get out (to sea). They feel they have the ability to do it. They just need the resources," said Payne.

"If the U.S. and the world community take supportive action towards the fledgling government in Somalia, I am confident that they will succeed and a new Somalia will indeed emerge," Payne said in a separate statement.

None of the six mortar shells fired Monday landed on the airport as the plane carrying Payne took off safely, said Col. Mohamed Idi, a police officer at the airport.

Idi said the shells hit in nearby residential area. Medina Hospital administrator Ali Adde said 19 civilians, mostly women and children, were injured.

In 2007, Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs Jendayi Frazer became the highest-ranking American envoy to visit Somalia since 1993, when rebels shot down two U.S. Black Hawk helicopters in Mogadishu and battled American soldiers in a 12-hour firefight that left some 300 Somalis dead. The U.S. withdrew a year later.

In Washington, State Department spokesman Robert Wood said Payne received a briefing on Mogadishu's security problems and chose to go anyway.

Payne also said he was able to contact his family and let them know he was OK.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/af_somalia_us_congressman

Jenson71
04-13-2009, 08:38 PM
Its crazy I know, to think the US might possibly consider using some military solutions vs these pirates and terrorists....

That's not surprising at all. We love to use the military for things. It's so much easier than trying to get at the root of problems.

Iowanian
04-13-2009, 08:40 PM
Yeah....its the problem of the United States to fix every broken area in the world

orange
04-13-2009, 08:44 PM
Securing the right to passage on the high seas has been a centerpiece of American policy since its very beginning.

Have you ever heard of the Barbary Wars? - launched by the United States against pirates in the Mediterrranean by a couple Presidents named Jefferson and Madison.

alanm
04-13-2009, 08:46 PM
Yeah....its the problem of the United States to fix every broken area in the worldSome places just need to be bulldozed over first and then start over.

Jenson71
04-13-2009, 08:47 PM
Yeah....its the problem of the United States to fix every broken area in the world

I don't know. It seems like we have a vested interest in trying to prevent a bunch of religious thugs from both dragging Somalia down to a fundamentalist/terrorist haven and taking over American ships. Plus, I bet diplomacy and economic aid would cost cheaper than military action anyway.

I don't know if it's possible though; the state is really screwed up. More than half of their population gets their food from the UN. But it definitely doesn't suprise me that impoverished failed states become the birth homes of Islamic pirate thugs.

Iowanian
04-13-2009, 08:59 PM
Flying over to have a group hug with them OBVIOUSLY was successful by this hero-lawmaker.


Dead pirates don't overtake ships.

stevieray
04-13-2009, 09:10 PM
Securing the right to passage on the high seas has been a centerpiece of American policy since its very beginning.

Have you ever heard of the Barbary Wars? - launched by the United States against pirates in the Mediterrranean by a couple Presidents named Jefferson and Madison.

"....to the shores of Tripoli.." leathernecks you say? Marines that had to wear leather straps around their necks so Islamic "pirates" wouldn't behead them...

Nightwish
04-14-2009, 12:39 AM
"....to the shores of Tripoli.." leathernecks you say? Marines that had to wear leather straps around their necks so Islamic "pirates" wouldn't behead them...
Although the leather collars did serve to protect the neck from sword blows during the Barbary Wars, that's not why they were issued. According to Marine Corps histories, issuance began several years before the Barbary Wars, and had more to do with forcing military bearing on American military personnel during the Revolution, and for the more strategic purpose of keeping gunmen's heads high when they sniped from ship-to-ship at British forces (the collar kept gunmen from leaning their heads down when they sighted along the gun barrel, which would sometimes cause the shot to drop short of its mark).

T-post Tom
04-14-2009, 12:58 AM
"...America has become our new enemy." ~ Farah

You might want to include the rest of the innocent countries that you've perpetrated your heinous crimes against.

Lawless vermin like this deserve the business end of our military's saber.

Saggysack
04-14-2009, 02:03 AM
If nothing else, that is one more Utopian elected official who thought he could swoop into Hell and hug it out with the devil, who may think more clearly now.


George H.W. Bush answered the call.

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HonestChieffan
04-14-2009, 06:45 AM
Wtf is an American lawmaker there for anyway. We don't rule the world. He entered at his own risk.

Its your tax dollars at work. More examples of why they should all be turned out in the next election

vailpass
04-14-2009, 10:52 AM
A bunch of savages wearing diapers and waving Russian rifles hiding out on boats and in grass huts. Sounds like a good way to occupy US Forces for 12 hours or so.