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kcbubb
04-13-2009, 04:54 PM
this is probably more of what I would want to do than what the chiefs brass would do.

1.) Lions QB Matt Stafford
2.) Rams LT Jason Smith
3.) Bengals (Chiefs trade to Bengals for 2nd round pick) LT Eugene Monroe
4.) Seahawks DT BJ Raji
5.) Browns LB Aaron Curry

6.) Chiefs WR Michael Crabtree (best player available and with the trade of Tony G, we need another target.)


38.) (Pick from Bengals) Chiefs Eben Britton OT

55.) (Trade Tony Gonzalez to Atlanta for #55 pick) Chiefs OLB/DE Michael Johnson

67.) Chiefs TE Jared Cook

I would hope that Cook would drop to us with our 3rd round pick. He could go in round 2, but Mayock doesn't even have him ranked as a top 5 TE for what I am assuming is blocking concerns. If he drops to round 3, I'd take him.

Mecca
04-13-2009, 04:55 PM
You took one player I like in Jared Cook and if he lasts till 67 I'll eat my shoe.

Pablo
04-13-2009, 04:57 PM
I can see our first couple of picks..but we just drafted a TE last year in the 3rd round..

Mecca
04-13-2009, 04:59 PM
I can see our first couple of picks..but we just drafted a TE last year in the 3rd round..

Look I love Jared Cook as a prospect and he'd be a great pick but odds are, he's going well before 67 this is a guy that has been talked about sneaking into the bottom of round 1.

kcbubb
04-13-2009, 04:59 PM
You took one player I like in Jared Cook and if he lasts till 67 I'll eat my shoe.

I really like Cook. But I think many see him as more of a receiver than a TE. If we trade Gonzo, I hope we get him.

bigdreams1
04-13-2009, 05:00 PM
Jared Cook is a monster and was our offense last year. I was so pissed off that he declared. Also pissed that captain and norwood left too though.

bigdreams1
04-13-2009, 05:01 PM
Cook is huge...he was in one of my classes last year...when he showed up. There is no way that guy is a WR.

kcbubb
04-13-2009, 05:02 PM
Look I love Jared Cook as a prospect and he'd be a great pick but odds are, he's going well before 67 this is a guy that has been talked about sneaking into the bottom of round 1.

I wouldn't be surprised if he did, but I also wouldn't be surprised if he fell. A lot of these draft guys don't like him. Mayock had Chase Hoffman in front of him. The TE from Mizz.

Mecca
04-13-2009, 05:02 PM
He came in as a WR and became a TE he's up to roughly 250 and posted a great 40 time and all that..

Some teams though basically think he's just an overgrown WR though as he really doesn't block and is just receiver.

Mecca
04-13-2009, 05:03 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if he did, but I also wouldn't be surprised if he fell. A lot of these draft guys don't like him. Mayock had Chase Hoffman in front of him. The TE from Mizz.

Mike Mayock hates everything about TE's like Cook, he loves guys like Pettigrew. He thinks blocking is more important than receiving and Cook isn't much of a blocker..

Most NFL teams don't look at it that way they like guys who can be receivers out of the position now.

kcbubb
04-13-2009, 05:03 PM
Cook is huge...he was in one of my classes last year...when he showed up. There is no way that guy is a WR.

I meant plays like a wideout. Spurrier split him out a lot and he doesn't block well.

Mecca
04-13-2009, 05:05 PM
There are more than a couple guys like that this year..

Cook, Beckum and Ingram are all in the overgrown WR/TE receiving not much blocking mold.

doomy3
04-13-2009, 05:09 PM
Mike Mayock hates everything about TE's like Cook, he loves guys like Pettigrew. He thinks blocking is more important than receiving and Cook isn't much of a blocker..

Most NFL teams don't look at it that way they like guys who can be receivers out of the position now.

So, where do you see Pettigrew going in this draft then, since most NFL teams don't value guys like him?

Mecca
04-13-2009, 05:11 PM
So, where do you see Pettigrew going in this draft then, since most NFL teams don't value guys like him?

Provided nothing changes back end of the 1st, a team like Atlanta possibly.

Pettigrew is a nice player, he's just Daniel Graham.

doomy3
04-13-2009, 05:12 PM
Provided nothing changes back end of the 1st, a team like Atlanta possibly.

Pettigrew is a nice player, he's just Daniel Graham.

OK, and who will be the first TE picked, IYO? Do you see Cook or anyone else picked ahead of Pettigrew?

Mecca
04-13-2009, 05:16 PM
Pettigrew is probably going to go first although it wouldn't shock me to see a Cook or a Shawn Nelson jump him. Pettigrew posting those 5 second 40s probably didn't calm teams concerned about his receiving ability.

I'll say he'll probably still go first but it's going to depend alot on what those teams want. If you want another OT out there that blocks really well so you can run you go Pettigrew he's 20lbs heavier and a better blocker...the other guys are much greater receiving weapons.

CanadaKC
04-13-2009, 05:21 PM
the bengals need crabtree more than we need crabtree:rolleyes:

kcbubb
04-13-2009, 05:24 PM
the bengals need crabtree more than we need crabtree:rolleyes:

without Tony G. that is very debatable. we will definitely need another target with Tony G. gone.

the bengals really need a LT. they also signed laveranues coles and still have ocho cinco.

Mecca
04-13-2009, 05:25 PM
Why can't someone be nice and give us 1 of the receivers I like?

kcbubb
04-13-2009, 05:27 PM
Why can't someone be nice and give us 1 of the receivers I like?

Crab really impressed me in the game against texas.

Mecca
04-13-2009, 05:27 PM
I think Hakeem Nicks is better than he is and I like Heyward Bey more also.

htismaqe
04-13-2009, 05:54 PM
I think Hakeem Nicks is better than he is and I like Heyward Bey more also.

Crabtree will be a better pro than DHB.

doomy3
04-13-2009, 05:54 PM
Crabtree will be a better pro than DHB.

I think he will be A LOT better than DHB.

Mecca
04-13-2009, 05:58 PM
We'll see Crabtree is the guy from the spread, they aren't.

htismaqe
04-13-2009, 06:00 PM
We'll see Crabtree is the guy from the spread, they aren't.

Heyward Bey is basically a track star with a helmet, spread or not.

Mecca
04-13-2009, 06:20 PM
Heyward Bey has actually been productive with nothing around him...it's not like all he is, is a track guy. If that was the case he wouldn't have been the best player on his team or a 3 year starter.

ChiefsCountry
04-13-2009, 06:35 PM
the bengals need crabtree more than we need crabtree:rolleyes:

They have Chad Johnson and Lavernues Coles, they dont need a first round WR.

htismaqe
04-13-2009, 06:54 PM
Heyward Bey has actually been productive with nothing around him...it's not like all he is, is a track guy. If that was the case he wouldn't have been the best player on his team or a 3 year starter.

Alot of guys are somewhat productive in college despite having marginal skill, especially if they're a lone option for their unit.

He's VERY raw as a WR and I hope we don't use a first-day pick on him thinking he's gonna come in and produce like Dwayne Bowe. He's a project - he has high-end speed, but needs serious work in nearly every other facet of his game.

ChiefsCountry
04-13-2009, 08:46 PM
Alot of guys are somewhat productive in college despite having marginal skill, especially if they're a lone option for their unit.

He's VERY raw as a WR and I hope we don't use a first-day pick on him thinking he's gonna come in and produce like Dwayne Bowe. He's a project - he has high-end speed, but needs serious work in nearly every other facet of his game.

I think he would be the perfect compliment to Bowe. Not mention with Haley's track record with receivers we could have our own Irvin/Harper set with those two. Also its not like we dont have a couple of solid options not great but solid options at #2 right now to allow us for a good development project.

Alphaman
04-14-2009, 06:54 AM
this is probably more of what I would want to do than what the chiefs brass would do.

1.) Lions QB Matt Stafford
2.) Rams LT Jason Smith
3.) Bengals (Chiefs trade to Bengals for 2nd round pick) LT Eugene Monroe
4.) Seahawks DT BJ Raji
5.) Browns LB Aaron Curry

6.) Chiefs WR Michael Crabtree (best player available and with the trade of Tony G, we need another target.)


38.) (Pick from Bengals) Chiefs Eben Britton OT

55.) (Trade Tony Gonzalez to Atlanta for #55 pick) Chiefs OLB/DE Michael Johnson

67.) Chiefs TE Jared Cook

I would hope that Cook would drop to us with our 3rd round pick. He could go in round 2, but Mayock doesn't even have him ranked as a top 5 TE for what I am assuming is blocking concerns. If he drops to round 3, I'd take him.



I don't think the Seahawks take Raji, but if they did and the draft fell this way, we would trade down to 10 with SF so they could take Sanchez.

Chiefnj2
04-14-2009, 07:38 AM
I don't think the Seahawks take Raji, but if they did and the draft fell this way, we would trade down to 10 with SF so they could take Sanchez.

Who do you take at 10?

kcbubb
04-14-2009, 07:48 AM
I think he would be the perfect compliment to Bowe. Not mention with Haley's track record with receivers we could have our own Irvin/Harper set with those two. Also its not like we dont have a couple of solid options not great but solid options at #2 right now to allow us for a good development project.

If we trade Tony G, we will need someone who can produce right away.

kcbubb
04-14-2009, 07:51 AM
I don't think the Seahawks take Raji, but if they did and the draft fell this way, we would trade down to 10 with SF so they could take Sanchez.

I really don't see the 49er's wanting Sanchez as much as it is rumored. They have a lot invested in Alex Smith and I don't they have given up on him yet. They also have Shaun Hill and we know the head coach likes Hill. I don't see the 49ers as a player in the Sanchez sweepstakes.

Chiefnj2
04-14-2009, 07:57 AM
As for the mock draft in this thread, my thoughts:

1. Crabtree at 6 - Good value. Only other choice would be Orakpo.
2. Britton at 38 - Again, good value. Should be able to start at RT and backup at LT if need be.
3. Johnson - not a bad value for where he is drafted, I just happen to think he will be a bust. Maybe explore Kruger, Brown or Sidbury instead.
4. Jared Cook - good value.

On paper it looks like a decent value draft, but there isn't much help on defense.

kcbubb
04-14-2009, 08:12 AM
As for the mock draft in this thread, my thoughts:

1. Crabtree at 6 - Good value. Only other choice would be Orakpo.
2. Britton at 38 - Again, good value. Should be able to start at RT and backup at LT if need be.
3. Johnson - not a bad value for where he is drafted, I just happen to think he will be a bust. Maybe explore Kruger, Brown or Sidbury instead.
4. Jared Cook - good value.

On paper it looks like a decent value draft, but there isn't much help on defense.

Also, Crab, Britton and Johnson all start and contribute from day one. And if we trade Tony we need Crab to catch some balls. Cook should also contribute on passing downs. He is a superior receiver to Cottam. I think Johnson could be good if you let him do what he is naturally good at, which is rushing the passer, playing in coverage, and chasing the football. He will struggle when the offense runs directly at him bc of his difficulty in taking on blockers. I think you can hide his weaknesses to a point with using him as an OLB in the 3-4. He's got a huge upside as a pass rusher. He's 6'7" with long arms and ran like a 4.58 40 at about 270 #s. That's crazy. I really wanted Barwin, but I think he will go early in the 2nd.

bdeg
04-14-2009, 08:38 AM
I think MJ is a steal at that pick, nothing wrong with taking a gamble with that kind of upside in that range. But if we did take Barwin at 38 who would you look at with the 55

Chiefnj2
04-14-2009, 08:51 AM
I think MJ is a steal at that pick, nothing wrong with taking a gamble with that kind of upside in that range. But if we did take Barwin at 38 who would you look at with the 55

At 55 you could hope Unger slips, Wood or Gilbert.

Alphaman
04-14-2009, 09:00 AM
Who do you take at 10?

Depends on how the board falls. Orakpo, Mauluga, Maclin, Tyson Jackson, and Andre Smith would all be candidates.

htismaqe
04-14-2009, 10:02 AM
As for the mock draft in this thread, my thoughts:

1. Crabtree at 6 - Good value. Only other choice would be Orakpo.
2. Britton at 38 - Again, good value. Should be able to start at RT and backup at LT if need be.
3. Johnson - not a bad value for where he is drafted, I just happen to think he will be a bust. Maybe explore Kruger, Brown or Sidbury instead.
4. Jared Cook - good value.

On paper it looks like a decent value draft, but there isn't much help on defense.

Next year is going to be a far better defensive draft...

Chiefnj2
04-14-2009, 10:18 AM
Next year is going to be a far better defensive draft...

That's a generalization. You pick the player, not the position.

kcbubb
04-14-2009, 10:31 AM
I think MJ is a steal at that pick, nothing wrong with taking a gamble with that kind of upside in that range. But if we did take Barwin at 38 who would you look at with the 55

I really don't know. Maybe a guard or center. I like Britton much better than the other possible RT that are available after him.

bdeg
04-14-2009, 10:35 AM
He'd be really good value, but I doubt he makes it that far.

kcbubb
04-14-2009, 10:45 AM
I think MJ is a steal at that pick, nothing wrong with taking a gamble with that kind of upside in that range. But if we did take Barwin at 38 who would you look at with the 55

I guess you could consider taking Cook at 55 too. And try to address O-line with the 3rd round pick. I just really think we need a RT more than a guard. That's why I like Britton at 38.

It is very possible that Johnson could fall to 55. I think someone is going to reach for Sidbury and I bet he goes before pick 55.

htismaqe
04-14-2009, 10:47 AM
That's a generalization. You pick the player, not the position.

I pick the player AND the position. Thank you very much.