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LaChapelle
04-13-2009, 06:14 PM
NFL Network, expecting to be traded.


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Per Rotoworld
NFL Network's Michael Lombardi reports that there's an "80-85 percent chance" that Tony Gonzalez will be dealt to the Falcons this offseason.

Lombardi says Gonzo has already cleared his Chiefs locker in anticipation of a deal. The Chiefs lost their second-round pick in February's Matt Cassel trade and are reportedly willing to send Gonzalez to Atlanta for the No. 55 overall pick. Gonzo recently turned 33, but obviously can still play. He caught 96 passes for 1,058 yards (11.0 YPC) and 10 touchdowns in 2008.
Related: Falcons

OnTheWarpath58
04-13-2009, 06:14 PM
:popcorn:

Rain Man
04-13-2009, 06:14 PM
It's good that he's tidy.

Scorp
04-13-2009, 06:15 PM
Just a rumor. No source was ever named. The guy said a trade to Atlanta was probable at 80% to come to fruition.

Short Leash Hootie
04-13-2009, 06:15 PM
Interesting...

the Talking Can
04-13-2009, 06:15 PM
he fold his underwear too

Woodrow Call
04-13-2009, 06:15 PM
Nice, very nice.

LaChapelle
04-13-2009, 06:15 PM
Just a rumor. No source was ever named.

See that ball gag in your avatar?

doomy3
04-13-2009, 06:16 PM
Wow, no shit?

mikeyis4dcats.
04-13-2009, 06:16 PM
crap.

The Bad Guy
04-13-2009, 06:17 PM
I don't think the NFL Network is just going to throw shit against the wall to see what sticks like WPI.

Enjoy Atlanta Tony.

OnTheWarpath58
04-13-2009, 06:17 PM
Damn, I have to leave for class in 15 minutes.

I'll have a lot of catching up to do come 10:00.

Scorp
04-13-2009, 06:18 PM
See that ball gag in your avatar?



Yes I do, if you don't stfu it is going up your ass.

LaChapelle
04-13-2009, 06:19 PM
Yes I do, if you don't stfu it is going up your ass.

Interesting avatar, October. Very interesting.

DTLB58
04-13-2009, 06:20 PM
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=205780

Micjones
04-13-2009, 06:21 PM
Wow. Guess they really wanted back in the Second Round.

Who's still available at WR?

Mecca
04-13-2009, 06:22 PM
I still want Hakeem Nicks...

Raised On Riots
04-13-2009, 06:22 PM
Yes I do, if you don't stfu it is going up your ass.

ROFL YES!!!

Complete the following phrase:

"The Deal Is_____"

Rain Man
04-13-2009, 06:23 PM
Pioli wouldn't do something like that to me. I've had Pioli's back since the beginning. We have a deal.

LaChapelle
04-13-2009, 06:23 PM
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=205780

That ball gag wouldn't fit up your ass. Not without some lube and a jackhammer.

KChiefsQT
04-13-2009, 06:23 PM
:(

Short Leash Hootie
04-13-2009, 06:24 PM
I bet it is more than a 2nd...

The Bad Guy
04-13-2009, 06:25 PM
I bet it is more than a 2nd...

I do too.

Pablo
04-13-2009, 06:25 PM
I bet it is more than a 2nd...Yeah..they're prolly giving us their 2nd, Roddy White and Matt Ryan.

GET IT DONE SCOTT.

chiefs1111
04-13-2009, 06:25 PM
I bet it is more than a 2nd...

That would be great......

kstater
04-13-2009, 06:25 PM
I'm pissed. Unless they get 3 1sts for him, it's not worth it. He's given everything to the Chiefs and deserves to retire a Chief. He hasn't slowed down and I think he could play another 5 years or so.

Smed1065
04-13-2009, 06:25 PM
I bet it is more than a 2nd...

And a 7th maybe.

LaChapelle
04-13-2009, 06:25 PM
ROFL YES!!!

Complete the following phrase:

"The Deal Is_____"

The day you stfu, is the day Nick "Assclown" Athan gets a pulitzer.

Short Leash Hootie
04-13-2009, 06:26 PM
I bet it is a 2nd and a player...not another pick.

the Talking Can
04-13-2009, 06:26 PM
I bet it is more than a 2nd...

if we get more than a 2nd, Pioli is the fucking Mafia...

Mecca
04-13-2009, 06:26 PM
3 1sts that post literally made me spit soda everywhere.

Smed1065
04-13-2009, 06:26 PM
I'm pissed. Unless they get 3 1sts for him, it's not worth it. He's given everything to the Chiefs and deserves to retire a Chief. He hasn't slowed down and I think he could play another 5 years or so.

:eek:

keg in kc
04-13-2009, 06:27 PM
if we get more than a 2nd, Pioli is the ****ing Mafia...If we get more than a 3rd he's the fucking mafia. We're talking a rent-a-player who might go two years, regardless of how good those two years will be.

Detoxing
04-13-2009, 06:28 PM
If we get more than a 3rd he's the ****ing mafia. We're talking a rent-a-player who might go two years, regardless of how good those two years will be.

I'm pretty sure he has more than 2 years in him.

Mecca
04-13-2009, 06:28 PM
I don't think you could get 3 firsts for Mario Williams let alone an aging TE.

Raised On Riots
04-13-2009, 06:29 PM
Pioli wouldn't do something like that to me. I've had Pioli's back since the beginning. We have a deal.

http://whatthecrap.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/obamasmiddleclass1.jpg

The day you stfu, is the day Nick "Assclown" Athan gets a pultzer.

I completely concur.

kstater
04-13-2009, 06:29 PM
I don't think you could get 3 firsts for Mario Williams let alone an aging TE.

I was going to say 2, but I thought someone would actually take me seriously.

chiefs1111
04-13-2009, 06:29 PM
I'm pissed. Unless they get 3 1sts for him, it's not worth it. He's given everything to the Chiefs and deserves to retire a Chief. He hasn't slowed down and I think he could play another 5 years or so.

ROFL

keg in kc
04-13-2009, 06:29 PM
I'm pretty sure he has more than 2 years in him.I'm sure he does, physically. But 2 years is what he's said.

Rain Man
04-13-2009, 06:29 PM
He's not being traded. They're just offering him to the Broncos to get another QB or two to leave.

Mecca
04-13-2009, 06:30 PM
I was going to say 2, but I thought someone would actually take me seriously.

LOL, it was a funny post I give you that.

the Talking Can
04-13-2009, 06:30 PM
I'm pissed. Unless they get 3 1sts for him, it's not worth it. He's given everything to the Chiefs and deserves to retire a Chief. He hasn't slowed down and I think he could play another 5 years or so.

you should have got on the bus with Carl...


we're no longer building a franchise around a TE...

Detoxing
04-13-2009, 06:30 PM
I'll be sad to see him go. I started watching the chiefs weekly when he became a Chief, and i was really excited to see what Haley & Gailey could do with him.

kstater
04-13-2009, 06:30 PM
Damn I didn't think anyone would bite.

KCBOSS1
04-13-2009, 06:31 PM
I'm pissed. Unless they get 3 1sts for him, it's not worth it. He's given everything to the Chiefs and deserves to retire a Chief. He hasn't slowed down and I think he could play another 5 years or so.

wait if he doesn't want to be a chief, he doesn't deserve to retire a chief. We deserve players that return the loyalty that the fans have given him. He thinks he "deserves" a ring. Again....I hope that he fades to obscurity. I cannot root for him to get a ring.

Rain Man
04-13-2009, 06:31 PM
I don't think you could get 3 firsts for Mario Williams let alone an aging TE.


Didn't the Cowboys give up two 1sts for Joey freakin' Galloway at one point? That trade still amazes me.

I'd give up three firsts for a 27 year-old Peyton Manning or Tom Brady (with a good knee).

DaneMcCloud
04-13-2009, 06:31 PM
I'm pissed. Unless they get 3 1sts for him, it's not worth it. He's given everything to the Chiefs and deserves to retire a Chief. He hasn't slowed down and I think he could play another 5 years or so.

O

M

G

:eek:

Raised On Riots
04-13-2009, 06:32 PM
O

M

G

:eek:

Chill. It's a fake.

kstater
04-13-2009, 06:33 PM
http://www.creepygif.com/images/thumb/12.jpg (http://www.creepygif.com/image.php?i=12)

the Talking Can
04-13-2009, 06:33 PM
can't understand people getting upset about a player who has repeatedly pronounced his desire to leave..

plus, we've already gotten his best years....trading him is a total win...getting a 2nd is an epic total fucking win...

and now we can try building the team around the QB instead of the TE....crazy...i know

Detoxing
04-13-2009, 06:33 PM
wait if he doesn't want to be a chief, he doesn't deserve to retire a chief. We deserve players that return the loyalty that the fans have given him. He thinks he "deserves" a ring. Again....I hope that he fades to obscurity. I cannot root for him to get a ring.

Why? the dude did everything in his power to bring KC a ring. KC didn't return the favor. Let the man become a champion. Even though KC drafted TG, KC didn't make TG a star. TG put KC in the spotlight. KC owes him.

DaneMcCloud
04-13-2009, 06:34 PM
Chill. It's a fake.

Chill?

Do you live in the San Fernando Valley, circa 1980?

Micjones
04-13-2009, 06:34 PM
I still want Hakeem Nicks...

I'll take him. He's gonna go where though? Bottom of Round 1?

arrowheadnation
04-13-2009, 06:35 PM
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Raised On Riots
04-13-2009, 06:36 PM
Why? the dude did everything in his power to bring KC a ring. KC didn't return the favor. Let the man become a champion. Even though KC drafted TG, KC didn't make TG a star. TG put KC in the spotlight. KC owes him.

Nope. Defending that dude has LEFT THE BUILDING. I gave him a pass on the record-breaking, Donko game pissy-fit.

I gave him a break every time he went to the Pro Bowl and did the( everybody say it with me )"I've never won a playoff game, I don't know what it's like" pity-party. Enough of that shit!

DONE. OVER. SEE-YA!

Brock
04-13-2009, 06:37 PM
I thought I would care more.

Raised On Riots
04-13-2009, 06:37 PM
Chill?

Do you live in the San Fernando Valley, circa 1980?

Yes. Yes I am. I thought that was rather polite myself.

DTLB58
04-13-2009, 06:39 PM
Didn't Clark say right after the Owners meetings that they were not trading Gonzo? Could have sworn I watched the presser where he said that.

Either pushing up the price tag or Pioli just told him, "I thought you were gonna let me do this".

Maybe Lombardi dosen't know what he is talking about.

tonyetony
04-13-2009, 06:39 PM
http://www.thefalcoholic.com/2009/4/13/832345/tony-gonzalez-and-a-question-of

Falcon fans are polling. I voted for three firsts.

Micjones
04-13-2009, 06:40 PM
I'll definitely be sad to see him go. Chiefs fans can be brutal turncoats I tell ya...
This guy's played his heart and soul out for this team.
I don't mind him wanting a shot at a ring before he hangs it up.
I hope he gets one. GREAT player. I appreciate all he's done in his time here.
One of my Top 5 all-time Chiefs.

kstater
04-13-2009, 06:42 PM
TG and Cassel for Ryan. You heard it here first.

Detoxing
04-13-2009, 06:42 PM
Nope. Defending that dude has LEFT THE BUILDING. I gave him a pass on the record-breaking, Donko game pissy-fit.

I gave him a break every time he went to the Pro Bowl and did the( everybody say it with me )"I've never won a playoff game, I don't know what it's like" pity-party. Enough of that shit!

DONE. OVER. SEE-YA!

Eh. I never really cared about what he SAID. Just what he did, and what he still can do on the field. I understand being pissed off about him constantly asking for a trade though.

DTLB58
04-13-2009, 06:42 PM
can't understand people getting upset about a player who has repeatedly pronounced his desire to leave..

plus, we've already gotten his best years....trading him is a total win...getting a 2nd is an epic total ****ing win...

and now we can try building the team around the QB instead of the TE....crazy...i know

As much as I want Tony to finish his career a Chief, That does make sense.

Plus, He blew me off for a autograph at Training camp. :cuss:

KCBOSS1
04-13-2009, 06:43 PM
Why? the dude did everything in his power to bring KC a ring. KC didn't return the favor. Let the man become a champion. Even though KC drafted TG, KC didn't make TG a star. TG put KC in the spotlight. KC owes him.

He's played on some good teams in KC and was absolutely prioritized in KC and deservedly so. It's not either or. A tight end can't carry you. I think that he's the greatest tight end to ever play. But how many years in a row has this guy asked for a trade? I have more respect for a guy that is a team guy. I understand what you are saying, and I'm sure that he's a good guy....just never has liked KC as much as KC has loved him. He will never play in another place like Arrowhead.

Detoxing
04-13-2009, 06:43 PM
As much as I want Tony to finish his career a Chief, That does make sense.

Plus, He blew me off for a autograph at Training camp. :cuss:

Trade his ass then!!!!!111

KCUnited
04-13-2009, 06:45 PM
If the Chiefs pull this trade off I'll be stoked. I wanted the 3rd during last season and thought no way KC would get better value after the season.

tonyetony
04-13-2009, 06:45 PM
I'll definitely be sad to see him go. Chiefs fans can be brutal turncoats I tell ya...
This guy's played his heart and soul out for this team.
I don't mind him wanting a shot at a ring before he hangs it up.
I hope he gets one. GREAT player. I appreciate all he's done in his time here.
One of my Top 5 all-time Chiefs.

I'll miss him, but if the dude wants out he wants out. Now it's up to Pioli to get maximum value for him

Raised On Riots
04-13-2009, 06:47 PM
Guess Carl was wrong as usual.

"They'll run me out of town if I trade you". But then again, if was Carl handling the deal; probably so.

Detoxing
04-13-2009, 06:47 PM
He's played on some good teams in KC and was absolutely prioritized in KC and deservedly so. It's not either or. A tight end can't carry you. I think that he's the greatest tight end to ever play. But how many years in a row has this guy asked for a trade? I have more respect for a guy that is a team guy. I understand what you are saying, and I'm sure that he's a good guy....just never has liked KC as much as KC has loved him. He will never play in another place like Arrowhead.

I can understand that. It's a tough one no matter who's side your on. The smart thing is to let him go, but it's not what i'd like to c

DTLB58
04-13-2009, 06:48 PM
I find it humorus how some say he deserves a ring or a chance with another team Like it's a gimmie just because he changes teams he gets to the SB.

What are the chances he goes to Atlanta and their coach and QB have a sophmore slump and the Chiefs have a 2008 Miami like turnaround? :doh!:

LaChapelle
04-13-2009, 06:48 PM
I'll definitely be sad to see him go. Chiefs fans can be brutal turncoats I tell ya...
This guy's played his heart and soul out for this team.
I don't mind him wanting a shot at a ring before he hangs it up.
I hope he gets one. GREAT player. I appreciate all he's done in his time here.
One of my Top 5 all-time Chiefs.

It can be looked at, that he played his way out of KC. No way did he have to play the way he did last season. He proved he was ALL PRO, after not getting his wish to be traded.

the Talking Can
04-13-2009, 06:48 PM
it's not personal...he's a great player, i loved watching him

but we've gotten his best and now we need to move on...and he seems to want to move on as well

win
win

the Talking Can
04-13-2009, 06:48 PM
I find it humorus how some say he deserves a ring or a chance with another team Like it's a gimmie just because he changes teams he gets to the SB.

What are the chances he goes to Atlanta and their coach and QB have a sophmore slump and the Chiefs have a 2008 Miami like turnaround? :doh!:

like 0

Micjones
04-13-2009, 06:49 PM
I'll miss him, but if the dude wants out he wants out. Now it's up to Pioli to get maximum value for him

I'm good with him wanting out of Kansas City.
I just don't get all the backlash from fans that accompanies it.

Marcellus
04-13-2009, 06:49 PM
Isn't it nice that a team that was 4-12 the same year we were, and had no more talent then KC, made changes in the FO and at coach a year before we did, drafted well, and now our HOF TE is worth a second rounder to them and the second rounder is now worth more to us some how.

If TG is worth more to us in a trade for a second round pick when we have no $ issues and need all the play makers we can get..........

Sorry I find that depressing.

Raised On Riots
04-13-2009, 06:49 PM
It can be looked at, that he played his way out of KC. No way did he have to play the way he did last season. He proved he was ALL PRO, after not getting his wish to be traded.

Yep. He and Thigshit were a 5-10 yard lob Wonder Twins.

Micjones
04-13-2009, 06:50 PM
It can be looked at, that he played his way out of KC. No way did he have to play the way he did last season. He proved he was ALL PRO, after not getting his wish to be traded.

Exactly. That's why I've never been on board with this nonsense about him being a "me-first" type of player.

DaneMcCloud
04-13-2009, 06:54 PM
Isn't it nice that a team that was 4-12 the same year we were, and had no more talent then KC, made changes in the FO and at coach a year before we did, drafted well, and now our HOF TE is worth a second rounder to them and the second rounder is now worth more to us some how.

If TG is worth more to us in a trade for a second round pick when we have no $ issues and need all the play makers we can get..........

Sorry I find that depressing.

Yeah, because the Chiefs have defensive players equal to the Falcons.

:rolleyes:

The Falcons have several high first round picks on their roster. They didn't have a roster bereft of talent, unlike the Chiefs.

the Talking Can
04-13-2009, 06:55 PM
according to micheal smith on espn, KC isn't interested in trading Tony


couldn't tell if he had a source or was just offering an opinion

KCBOSS1
04-13-2009, 06:57 PM
I can understand that. It's a tough one no matter who's side your on. The smart thing is to let him go, but it's not what i'd like to c

I've always liked him. He's always put out 100% on the field and deserves total credit for that. But it really is the whole "trade me" thing that has done me in toward him. If we keep him, I will still like him as a player. I would like to see him just be content to be a Chief and go out as a total class act, proud to be a chief his entire career, having left everything out on that field in arrowhead. He would retire here as the most decorated Chief (next to maybe Lenny Dawson) in the history of the franchise. But He can't see the value in that.

Spicy McHaggis
04-13-2009, 06:57 PM
according to micheal smith on espn, KC isn't interested in trading Tony


couldn't tell if he had a source or was just offering an opinion

Seemed like it was just his opinion to me.

And remember, in a Pioli front office, there are no sources. People end up at the bottom of lakes for that.

LaChapelle
04-13-2009, 06:58 PM
Used NFL Network to drum up a better offer? That Pioli devil!

KCBOSS1
04-13-2009, 06:59 PM
That frustrates me. I think it's an insult to the fans and to the franchise.

DTLB58
04-13-2009, 06:59 PM
I find it strange that we are bringing in veterans and he still wants to leave.

I thought he said in the off season it would depend on if they want to tear this thing down and start all over again then I would be open to go somewhere else.

Lombardi reported he was unhappy with the new regime.

DTLB58
04-13-2009, 07:00 PM
according to micheal smith on espn, KC isn't interested in trading Tony


couldn't tell if he had a source or was just offering an opinion

He probably heard the same presser I did where Clark said we aren't trading Tony Gonzalez.

Marcellus
04-13-2009, 07:09 PM
Yeah, because the Chiefs have defensive players equal to the Falcons.

:rolleyes:

The Falcons have several high first round picks on their roster. They didn't have a roster bereft of talent, unlike the Chiefs.

I don't think you get my point but I will argue Atlanta and KC were in similar positions after the 2007 season. We also had several fairly high picks sitting around who may not be on the team 2 years from now. Carl's crappy drafting and Clark waiting another year to blow things up are the difference between TG being relevant to KC's plans or trade bait.

That's depressing. Whoever we draft with a 2nd round pick will not likely add the value TG would to this team the next few years. Obviously after that different story.

BTW Atlanta was 11th in scoring defense and 24th in yards given up. Their offense (10th and 6th respectively)was the reason for the turnaround not the defense.

Noss
04-13-2009, 07:10 PM
A second round pick for a player who has stated he will retire in one or two years!

Sounds good to me. How often did Haley's offense pass to the tight end anyway?

tonyetony
04-13-2009, 07:12 PM
I'm good with him wanting out of Kansas City.
I just don't get all the backlash from fans that accompanies it.

If we draft a starter that contributes to our future success it will just be more to like about Tony G when he's inducted into the hall.

doomy3
04-13-2009, 07:12 PM
TG must just be pissed that we cut Will Franklin, obviously.

Mecca
04-13-2009, 07:16 PM
I find it strange that we are bringing in veterans and he still wants to leave.

I thought he said in the off season it would depend on if they want to tear this thing down and start all over again then I would be open to go somewhere else.

Lombardi reported he was unhappy with the new regime.

It appears Tony Gonzalez isn't the kind of veteran leadership this regime wants.

Noss
04-13-2009, 07:16 PM
TG must just be pissed that we cut Will Franklin, obviously.

ROFL

LaChapelle
04-13-2009, 07:17 PM
Is it too early for a: Brain W has cleaned out his shorts, thread?

Direckshun
04-13-2009, 07:42 PM
We all need to credit Carl for not caving in for a mere 3rd if this happens. ROFL

Direckshun
04-13-2009, 07:44 PM
This will, by the way, means we traded Tony away to the NFL for Cassel and Vrabel, and a 20-pick drop.

That's not too bad, all things considered.

Let's wait and see.

Mile High Mania
04-13-2009, 07:49 PM
Gonzo in ATL would be huge with that young offense...

If KC gets their R2 (pick 23)... there might be a 7th thrown in or something like that, but I couldn't imagine them giving up much more. Tony is 33 and entering his 13th season...

Still solid, but the R2 should suffice.

Direckshun
04-13-2009, 07:51 PM
I think the R2 is overpaying, personally.

StcChief
04-13-2009, 08:02 PM
Seeing how The Pats have done well with TEs. Cottam, and a Draft pick....

Still would have liked to see him go out a Chief.

beer bacon
04-13-2009, 08:02 PM
That frustrates me. I think it's an insult to the fans and to the franchise.

Yeah, why make our team better two or three years down the road when we can hold onto a player for sentimental reasons?

Direckshun
04-13-2009, 08:04 PM
I think it's the RIGHT thing to do for sentimental reasons.

This guy DESERVES a chance the next couple years. Let him go and root for him.

It's not like he went to the fucking Fade. He went to the Falcons.

Pioli Zombie
04-13-2009, 08:09 PM
This just in. Tyler Thigpen has demanded to be traded.
Posted via Mobile Device

DeezNutz
04-13-2009, 08:11 PM
KC fans deserve to cheer for a winning organization.

Gonzo doesn't deserve anything more than what he's already received from the organization and the community.

Mile High Mania
04-13-2009, 08:12 PM
I think it's the RIGHT thing to do for sentimental reasons.

This guy DESERVES a chance the next couple years. Let him go and root for him.

It's not like he went to the ****ing Fade. He went to the Falcons.

Very similar to Neil Smith a decade ago... just let him go and give him a shot at a ring. :evil:

T-post Tom
04-13-2009, 08:13 PM
Matt Ryan must have major wood right now.

Raised On Riots
04-13-2009, 09:00 PM
This just in. Tyler Thigpen has demanded to be traded.
Posted via Mobile Device

First, damn you for getting my hopes up as it relates to the betterment of the Chiefs, and second:
LMAO

Very similar to Neil Smith a decade ago... just let him go and give him a shot at a ring. :evil:

Die in fire.

Von Dumbass
04-13-2009, 09:01 PM
Very similar to Neil Smith a decade ago... just let him go and give him a shot at a ring. :evil:

:)

Groves
04-13-2009, 09:02 PM
This is all a ploy to break Thiggy's attitude problem.

wild1
04-13-2009, 09:05 PM
Thanks Gonzo, but you know how it goes. Gotta do what's best for the team.

Hope to see you hoist the Lombardi. Happy trails.

seaofred
04-13-2009, 09:08 PM
Does anyone know if Tony has a "No trade clause" in his contract?

Pablo
04-13-2009, 09:08 PM
:)FYN.

WilliamTheIrish
04-13-2009, 09:08 PM
That's what leaders do...

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-13-2009, 09:09 PM
Pioli wouldn't do something like that to me. I've had Pioli's back since the beginning. We have a deal.

You said he should be fired if we traded for Cassel.

Rain Man
04-13-2009, 09:21 PM
You said he should be fired if we traded for Cassel.


You must be mistaking me for another Rain Man. It's a common name.

I wasn't thrilled with the Cassel trade, but my position has been that Pioli is omnipotent and I would trust Pioli to catch me if I had to jump out of a burning building.

stevieray
04-13-2009, 09:24 PM
You must be mistaking me for another Rain Man. It's a common name.

I wasn't thrilled with the Cassel trade, but my position has been that Pioli is omnipotent and I would trust Pioli to catch me if I had to jump out of a burning building.

Pioli should be fired was really Pioli save me from fire..I can see it.

Rain Man
04-13-2009, 09:24 PM
Is this real? I'm reading through the thread and still see no confirmation. I hope it's not true.

Delano
04-13-2009, 09:27 PM
Is this real? I'm reading through the thread and still see no confirmation. I hope it's not true.

The original post contains the rumor. There is nothing beyond Lombardi's rumor at this time.

Rain Man
04-13-2009, 09:27 PM
Pioli should be fired was really Pioli save me from fire..I can see it.


That must be it.

Reerun_KC
04-13-2009, 09:29 PM
If he leaves? Who will be our new cry baby? I guess Waters is still here though...

chiefs1111
04-13-2009, 09:30 PM
If he leaves? Who will be our new cry baby? I guess Waters is still here though...

Yup and don't forget about Larry

Frazod
04-13-2009, 09:38 PM
At this point I will be shocked if Larry is still here next season. Looks like they're completely cleaning house.

OnTheWarpath58
04-13-2009, 09:40 PM
At this point I will be shocked if Larry is still here next season. Looks like they're completely cleaning house.

Every outlet I've seen/read has painted the picture of LJ being a model citizen recently and likely to stick around. Apparently he's sat down with the new regime and says he wants to be here.

:shrug:

Talisman
04-13-2009, 09:42 PM
I wasn't thrilled with the Cassel trade, but my position has been that Pioli is omnipotent and I would trust Pioli to catch me if I had to jump out of a burning building.

You're only saying that because he's standing right behind you. And in front of you. Oh, and across the room too.

DaneMcCloud
04-13-2009, 09:43 PM
Every outlet I've seen/read has painted the picture of LJ being a model citizen recently and likely to stick around. Apparently he's sat down with the new regime and says he wants to be here.

:shrug:

I'd still be surprised if LJ, Waters and Gonzalez were on the Chiefs rosters in September.

Shocked, actually.

OnTheWarpath58
04-13-2009, 09:46 PM
I'd still be surprised if LJ, Waters and Gonzalez were on the Chiefs rosters in September.

Shocked, actually.

For some reason, I think that LJ will be the one of the three that survive.

Mainly, because he has absolutely no trade value. They really have no reason to flat-out cut him. Might as well use him if he actually has bought in and wants to be here.

Waters, on the other hand DOES have trade value, though probably not a ton, and doesn't want to be here. Ship his ass out.

Personally, I could care less who stays/goes.

ChiefsCountry
04-13-2009, 09:48 PM
For some reason, I think that LJ will be the one of the three that survive.

Mainly, because he has absolutely no trade value. They really have no reason to flat-out cut him. Might as well use him if he actually has bought in and wants to be here.

Waters, on the other hand DOES have trade value, though probably not a ton, and doesn't want to be here. Ship his ass out.

Personally, I could care less who stays/goes.

Pretty much my thoughts on this issue as well.

stevieray
04-13-2009, 09:49 PM
Personally, I could care less who stays/goes.

pretty much.

Reerun_KC
04-13-2009, 09:52 PM
For some reason, I think that LJ will be the one of the three that survive.

Mainly, because he has absolutely no trade value. They really have no reason to flat-out cut him. Might as well use him if he actually has bought in and wants to be here.

Waters, on the other hand DOES have trade value, though probably not a ton, and doesn't want to be here. Ship his ass out.

Personally, I could care less who stays/goes.

This...

Not like we have ever won shit with TG.... IT will be different not seeing him in Red and Gold, but shit I want to win a superbowl...

OnTheWarpath58
04-13-2009, 09:52 PM
Pretty much my thoughts on this issue as well.

pretty much.

I should have added a disclaimer to that.

I really don't care who stays/goes provided that should one or more of these guys be on the roster come September, that we don't hear anymore bitching and moaning about not being dealt.

If Pioli thinks they aren't team players, or will be a distraction, ship their ass out.

Those who are willing to buy in and be productive members of a TEAM, you're free to stay.

Another reason why I think Waters is eventually gone.

Raised On Riots
04-13-2009, 09:52 PM
This is all a ploy to break Thiggy's attitude problem.

Couldn't we just break his arm instead?:hmmm:

Reerun_KC
04-13-2009, 09:53 PM
Another reason why I think Waters is eventually gone.


I guess Arrowhead will be without running Waters....:deevee:

L.A. Chieffan
04-13-2009, 09:56 PM
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DeezNutz
04-13-2009, 09:59 PM
I should have added a disclaimer to that.

I really don't care who stays/goes provided that should one or more of these guys be on the roster come September, that we don't hear anymore bitching and moaning about not being dealt.

If Pioli thinks they aren't team players, or will be a distraction, ship their ass out.

Those who are willing to buy in and be productive members of a TEAM, you're free to stay.

Another reason why I think Waters is eventually gone.

Yep.

I have a really, really hard time thinking about a back who refuses to block as a team guy, though. I know the contract situation and what not, but my anger for his selfishness overrides everything else.

OnTheWarpath58
04-13-2009, 10:01 PM
Yep.

I have a really, really hard time thinking about a back who refuses to block as a team guy, though. I know the contract situation and what not, but my anger for his selfishness overrides everything else.

I understand, and can't really disagree.

Like I said, IF he's bought in. That would include blocking, in my book.

Hell, for all we know, he was never coached proper technique in picking up blockers.

DeezNutz
04-13-2009, 10:04 PM
I understand, and can't really disagree.

Like I said, IF he's bought in. That would include blocking, in my book.

Hell, for all we know, he was never coached proper technique in picking up blockers.

I'm willing to be *skeptically* optimistic (didn't want to use all caps).

tboss27
04-13-2009, 10:15 PM
Definitely a sad day if he does end up being traded. I think Cassel would love having him around the next couple years, but totally understandable if we can get a 2nd maybe more for an older player.

wild1
04-13-2009, 10:28 PM
I'd still be surprised if LJ, Waters and Gonzalez were on the Chiefs rosters in September.

Shocked, actually.

I halfway expect Waters will be back, but the other two, probably not.

I don't care, really. We've been doing things the same way 20 years and have nothing to show for it. Let's let these guys put their stamp on the franchise.

RJ
04-13-2009, 10:34 PM
If I were an NFL player I would clean out my locker at the end of the season. Why risk mold and mildew?

joesomebody
04-13-2009, 10:49 PM
Hope it's not true. If it is, good luck and thanks for the amazing play Tony.

soundmind
04-13-2009, 10:58 PM
If I were a pro athlete, I'd clean out my locker and hold the team hostage annually until they fulfilled my request for my own dressing area, so I could shoot up juice, buy cars and beat women in peace for f*ck sake.

-King-
04-13-2009, 10:58 PM
Damn, dreading but expecting this day. Well, hopefully if he is traded, he'll retire a Chief. Thats all we can ask.

CoMoChief
04-13-2009, 11:00 PM
Well, this is an outrageously stupid move by the Chiefs.

IMO Tony G is worth a first rounder simply because he plays better than one. But his age and the long term investment of a first round pick won't get the Chiefs what they deserve should they deal Gonzo.

He's still the best or top 2 TE in the NFL. He's not a pussy either, he plays hurt all the time. Tony G is the kind of player that would put a team over that hump to make them a Championship team.

aturnis
04-13-2009, 11:03 PM
Well, hopefully if he is traded, he'll retire a Chief. Thats all we can ask.

:spock:

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-13-2009, 11:04 PM
Well, this is an outrageously stupid move by the Chiefs.

IMO Tony G is worth a first rounder simply because he plays better than one. But his age and the long term investment of a first round pick won't get the Chiefs what they deserve should they deal Gonzo.

He's still the best or top 2 TE in the NFL. He's not a pussy either, he plays hurt all the time. Tony G is the kind of player that would put a team over that hump to make them a Championship team.

I could not endorse this move any more after reading this post.

Red Beans
04-13-2009, 11:05 PM
I like getting picks but I'll miss Tony. As sentimental as I am wanting him to retire a Chief, the future's here baby and if we can grab a second well let's do it. It's kind of, let me reiterate, I think it's kind of what 49ers fans must have felt seeing Joe come here albeit Steve Young was waiting in the wings...

-King-
04-13-2009, 11:06 PM
:spock:

:Robinson:

Dottefan
04-13-2009, 11:08 PM
Whats up guys, I am new to the board....Well damn, Tony G is outa of here. I dont want to see him go, and I am not sure about this move. Why would the Chiefs trade Matt Cassles best target? and with our wide reciever core crap, why would you trade a guy that helps your wide recievers become better by taking the the safeties focus off of the wide outs and on the Tightend. The other side of it is , Tony only has 2 years left maybe, and if we can get a 3-5 year starter then I am good with that. Either way it sucks to see tony go...........Go Chiefs, Go Royals, Go KU....MUCKFUZZUO.. LOL

Raised On Riots
04-13-2009, 11:08 PM
I could not endorse this move any more after reading this post.

It's sorta like having a massively accurate Magic 8-Ball from God, yes?
Quite so.

soundmind
04-13-2009, 11:16 PM
Whats up guys, I am new to the board....Well damn, Tony G is outa of here. I dont want to see him go, and I am not sure about this move. Why would the Chiefs trade Matt Cassles best target? and with our wide reciever core crap, why would you trade a guy that helps your wide recievers become better by taking the the safeties focus off of the wide outs and on the Tightend. The other side of it is , Tony only has 2 years left maybe, and if we can get a 3-5 year starter then I am good with that. Either way it sucks to see tony go...........Go Chiefs, Go Royals, Go KU....MUCKFUZZUO.. LOL

:hump:

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-13-2009, 11:16 PM
You must be mistaking me for another Rain Man. It's a common name.

I wasn't thrilled with the Cassel trade, but my position has been that Pioli is omnipotent and I would trust Pioli to catch me if I had to jump out of a burning building.


....

If we trade a high pick for Cassell, I'm going to start calling for Pioli to be fired.

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?p=5397114&highlight=pioli+fired#post5397114

TRR
04-13-2009, 11:17 PM
A low second round pick is not worth what Gonzalez would bring to the devlopement of Matt Cassel. If KC does pull this trade off, then the WR position opposite Bowe is a MUST to upgrade.

I would rather keep Gonzalez if a 2nd is the best KC can get.
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Mr. Kotter
04-13-2009, 11:19 PM
If Atlanta is truly willing to give up a second round pick for Tony, then the deal is done. Pioli, given this point in Gonzo's career AND the "rebuilding" process we are presently engaged in....would be crazy to pass up the deal.

Mile High Mania
04-13-2009, 11:26 PM
I would rather keep Gonzalez if a 2nd is the best KC can get.
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Hey, Gonzo will be in Canton one day, but he's 33 and entering his 13th season... KC should smile big for a R2.

Sure-Oz
04-13-2009, 11:26 PM
Micheal Smith on NFL LIVE said that this is unlikely to happen cause we aren't going to trade a good player and want to win NOW, LMAO

He did say ATL wants this to happen bad...

I know he is a good NFL reporter guy, but seriously?

Mr. Arrowhead
04-13-2009, 11:31 PM
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/4/13/834400/chiefs-reject-falcons-offer-for

Report: Chiefs Reject Falcons Offer for Gonzalez

Tg_tiny by primetime 07 on Apr 13, 2009 10:42 PM CDT Comment 35 comments

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via www.kcchiefs.com

Frank Boal of FOX4 in Kansas City is reporting the Kansas City Chiefs have rejected a trade offer from the Atlanta Falcons for tight end Tony Gonzalez. The offer was for the Falcons' 55th overall pick according to Michael Lombardi of the National Football Post.

*Boal rarely breaks news about the Chiefs and the rest of the mainstream media hasn't picked up on this yet so we're certainly going to continue following this story until we can get another confirmation.

Rumors have been swirling that the Chiefs were nearing a deal with someone to move Gonzalez. The basis of some of these rumors? Gonzalez cleaning out his locker.

We'll never know if the future Hall of Fame tight end was simply cleaning out his locker before the start of the Chiefs first veteran mandatory mini-camp on April 17th or if he removed his belongings with the intention that he wouldn't be back.

If the GM Scott Pioli values Gonzalez more than the Falcons' second round pick then it's unlikely any team in the NFL will match his price. The overlord of the previous Chiefs regime, Carl Peterson, reportedly pushed his asking price from a third to a second and fifth round pick at the trading deadline last year.

We can debate about Gonzalez's worth all day long but he's worth whatever any team will offer him. If the offers that came in last season (Eagles' 3rd, Giants' 6th) are any indication, Tony Gonzalez will not be traded by the Chiefs this season.

Reerun_KC
04-13-2009, 11:33 PM
Great, now him and Brian Waters and cry on each others shoulders.

DeezNutz
04-13-2009, 11:34 PM
"So we see that you want him badly, do you..." /Pioli/

Sure-Oz
04-13-2009, 11:35 PM
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/4/13/834400/chiefs-reject-falcons-offer-for

Report: Chiefs Reject Falcons Offer for Gonzalez

Tg_tiny by primetime 07 on Apr 13, 2009 10:42 PM CDT Comment 35 comments

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via www.kcchiefs.com

Frank Boal of FOX4 in Kansas City is reporting the Kansas City Chiefs have rejected a trade offer from the Atlanta Falcons for tight end Tony Gonzalez. The offer was for the Falcons' 55th overall pick according to Michael Lombardi of the National Football Post.

*Boal rarely breaks news about the Chiefs and the rest of the mainstream media hasn't picked up on this yet so we're certainly going to continue following this story until we can get another confirmation.

Rumors have been swirling that the Chiefs were nearing a deal with someone to move Gonzalez. The basis of some of these rumors? Gonzalez cleaning out his locker.

We'll never know if the future Hall of Fame tight end was simply cleaning out his locker before the start of the Chiefs first veteran mandatory mini-camp on April 17th or if he removed his belongings with the intention that he wouldn't be back.

If the GM Scott Pioli values Gonzalez more than the Falcons' second round pick then it's unlikely any team in the NFL will match his price. The overlord of the previous Chiefs regime, Carl Peterson, reportedly pushed his asking price from a third to a second and fifth round pick at the trading deadline last year.

We can debate about Gonzalez's worth all day long but he's worth whatever any team will offer him. If the offers that came in last season (Eagles' 3rd, Giants' 6th) are any indication, Tony Gonzalez will not be traded by the Chiefs this season.

Guess Michael Smith is right again, we really want to win now huh?! Take the ****ing 2nd rounder or hope we are waiting till draft day

tk13
04-13-2009, 11:39 PM
Haha well, not that it isn't necessarily already a fair offer... but there's no harm in waiting to see just "how bad" the Falcons want this to happen.

T-post Tom
04-13-2009, 11:40 PM
"So we see that you want him badly, do you..." /Pioli/


So is someone in the ATL is ultimately going to squeal like a pig?

SBK
04-13-2009, 11:46 PM
If that was ATL's first offer it would absolutely be rejected. If a 2nd is their initial offer it means they're prepared to offer more.

If they've been discussing this for awhile then maybe we don't want to trade....

Der Flöprer
04-13-2009, 11:49 PM
It's gonna be their 2nd and the rights to Mike Vick.







DUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BigMeatballDave
04-13-2009, 11:50 PM
I'm pissed. Unless they get 3 1sts for him, it's not worth it. He's given everything to the Chiefs and deserves to retire a Chief. He hasn't slowed down and I think he could play another 5 years or so.
LMAO I can only assume you are joking.

dtebbe
04-14-2009, 12:08 AM
Go KU....MUCKFUZZUO.. LOL

Awww look.. the nooob made a funny..

Mecca
04-14-2009, 12:11 AM
I'm not exactly sure I'd trust Frank Boal.

ceebz
04-14-2009, 12:12 AM
I'll be pretty sad to see him go, but, it's probably best for the team.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-14-2009, 12:17 AM
we aren't going to trade a good player and want to win NOW, LMAO

Jesus fucking Christ. :shake:

Raised On Riots
04-14-2009, 12:20 AM
Jesus fucking Christ. :shake:

Every time I think the local sports media could not possibly be more "goober", they go and surprise me yet again.

Short Leash Hootie
04-14-2009, 12:58 AM
I figured Pioli would hold out for more than a 2nd...

Ok Atlanta, we'll take your #24...you can have Gonzalez and a conditional 2011 pick...if Tony retires after next year, we'll give you a 2nd. If Tony retires in two years, you can have a 4th. If he doesn't retire after those two years, you get no pick. I'm sure there will be other stipulations having to do with performance, but you get the jist.

Short Leash Hootie
04-14-2009, 01:00 AM
Atlanta obviously thinks they have a 'win now' caliber team with Matt Ryan.

Who are they going to pick at #24 that is going to help them accomplish that goal more than Tony Gonzalez?

They have that franchise QB...they can afford to take a risk on an older TE (I'd say aging, but the dude has only played better with age, so I think that's inappropriate)...

Two years of Tony Gonzalez > Brandon Pettigrew if you ask me.

T-post Tom
04-14-2009, 01:00 AM
I'm not exactly sure I'd trust Frank Boal.

Frank Boal has cleaned out his locker and is now dating Badgirl...:)

Short Leash Hootie
04-14-2009, 01:13 AM
I love Pioli (by the way)...

Last season...the drafturbators were BEGGING for the Chiefs to take a 3rd for Gonzalez...not only did that not happen (to the chagrins of drafturbators everywhere)...but the Chiefs got another quarter of the season out of him...and now apparently he had more value than our armchair GM's thought...as the Falcons want him "badly" and for a 2nd round pick...yet that isn't enough for former executive of the year, Scott Pioli LMAO

Awesome. I can't wait until we turn our 33 year old franchise icon into a 1st round pick and then all of those armchair, drafturbating ChiefsPlanet.com GM's can eat their plate full of crow for wanting to sell Gonzalez off like he was a cheap whore because he was "aging" and doesn't play a valuable position.

DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB!!

LMAO

Pioli rules.

T-post Tom
04-14-2009, 01:19 AM
I love Pioli (by the way)...

Last season...the drafturbators were BEGGING for the Chiefs to take a 3rd for Gonzalez...not only did that not happen (to the chagrins of drafturbators everywhere)...but the Chiefs got another quarter of the season out of him...and now apparently he had more value than our armchair GM's thought...as the Falcons want him "badly" and for a 2nd round pick...yet that isn't enough for former executive of the year, Scott Pioli LMAO

Awesome. I can't wait until we turn our 33 year old franchise icon into a 1st round pick and then all of those armchair, drafturbating ChiefsPlanet.com GM's can eat their plate full of crow for wanting to sell Gonzalez off like he was a cheap whore because he was "aging" and doesn't play a valuable position.

DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB!!

LMAO

Pioli rules.

Well said. Not sure about a 1st rounder, but point taken.

Rausch
04-14-2009, 01:19 AM
One of the reasons we're likely getting offered higher picks now could be the dog$#it talent in this year's draft.

And talk about Pioli getting value.

We trade for a QBOTF giving up only a second while possibly getting a 2nd+ for our 33 year old TE.

I'd prefer to keep Tony but if we can get a 2nd+ at least we got a damned good deal...

Reaper16
04-14-2009, 01:25 AM
One of the reasons we're likely getting offered higher picks now could be the dog$#it talent in this year's draft.

I don't know. This draft seems as strong as any other. Its only weakness is that the offensive depth is huge and the defensive depth is shallow, making for a big disparity between the two sides.

Tribesman
04-14-2009, 02:04 AM
http://life.atlantafalcons.com/index.php?showtopic=3841581

http://life.atlantafalcons.com/index.php?showtopic=3841586

http://life.atlantafalcons.com/index.php?showtopic=3841566

http://life.atlantafalcons.com/index.php?showtopic=3841580

http://life.atlantafalcons.com/index.php?showtopic=3841576

enjoy :p

BryanBusby
04-14-2009, 02:18 AM
http://life.atlantafalcons.com/index.php?showtopic=3841581

http://life.atlantafalcons.com/index.php?showtopic=3841586

http://life.atlantafalcons.com/index.php?showtopic=3841566

http://life.atlantafalcons.com/index.php?showtopic=3841580

http://life.atlantafalcons.com/index.php?showtopic=3841576

enjoy :p

Are all Falcons fans this ****ing stupid? Yeah ok, lets send them Dorsey for some 2nds and a 5th round pick. While we're at it, lets package in a pick with Tony for that 2nd rounder! Shit lets send Cassel to Denver for a ham sandwhich and a 40 of Olde English.

They make the Tyler Thigpen diehard lovers look smart.

Raised On Riots
04-14-2009, 02:20 AM
I love Pioli (by the way)...

Last season...the drafturbators were BEGGING for the Chiefs to take a 3rd for Gonzalez...not only did that not happen (to the chagrins of drafturbators everywhere)...but the Chiefs got another quarter of the season out of him...and now apparently he had more value than our armchair GM's thought...as the Falcons want him "badly" and for a 2nd round pick...yet that isn't enough for former executive of the year, Scott Pioli LMAO

Awesome. I can't wait until we turn our 33 year old franchise icon into a 1st round pick and then all of those armchair, drafturbating ChiefsPlanet.com GM's can eat their plate full of crow for wanting to sell Gonzalez off like he was a cheap whore because he was "aging" and doesn't play a valuable position.

DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB!!

LMAO

Pioli rules.

When it's Carl doing the dealing, you pray for a third. No one here has discounted Pioli's record or abilities, only questioned some of his choices when all of the details or big picture are not made clear.
Do you believe those of us who champion proven building methods miss Carl, or are you just so full of your own shit that you can't see the forest for the trees?
You have a big mouth for such a dumb motherfucker.
Anywho, resume with your Clown-Fest. :thumb:

Raised On Riots
04-14-2009, 02:22 AM
Are all Falcons fans this ****ing stupid? Yeah ok, lets send them Dorsey for some 2nds and a 5th round pick. While we're at it, lets package in a pick with Tony for that 2nd rounder! Shit lets send Cassel to Denver for a ham sandwhich and a 40 of Olde English.

They make the Tyler Thigpen diehard lovers look smart.

ROFL

Tribesman
04-14-2009, 02:29 AM
Are all Falcons fans this ****ing stupid? Yeah ok, lets send them Dorsey for some 2nds and a 5th round pick. While we're at it, lets package in a pick with Tony for that 2nd rounder! Shit lets send Cassel to Denver for a ham sandwhich and a 40 of Olde English.

They make the Tyler Thigpen diehard lovers look smart.
Agreed. And its about the same here w/ those that think we will get (or expect to get) more than a 2nd for Tony. Fantasy land. Ain't gonna happen either way.

Smed1065
04-14-2009, 02:36 AM
That frustrates me. I think it's an insult to the fans and to the franchise.

Yes a winning tude!

Loser Go CP, I love em!
:evil:

Raised On Riots
04-14-2009, 02:36 AM
Are all Falcons fans this ****ing stupid? Yeah ok, lets send them Dorsey for some 2nds and a 5th round pick. While we're at it, lets package in a pick with Tony for that 2nd rounder! Shit lets send Cassel to Denver for a ham sandwhich and a 40 of Olde English.

They make the Tyler Thigpen diehard lovers look smart.

My God; it's Thigpenitis over there!

"Our offense wasn't the problem"! "Our defense blah-blah-blah".

It Is Done; Carl has infected the entire NFL.:shake:

Smed1065
04-14-2009, 02:38 AM
LMAO I can only assume you are joking.

No It was serious until we raised hell.

?Pirate?

DaneMcCloud
04-14-2009, 02:40 AM
I'm not exactly sure I'd trust Frank Boal.

Frank Boal's a dick.

And how many times has he actually "been in the know" in the past 26 years?

Smed1065
04-14-2009, 02:42 AM
My God; it's Thigpenitis over there!

"Our offense wasn't the problem"! "Our defense blah-blah-blah".

It Is Done; Carl has infected the entire NFL.:shake:
\
Troll, Banned and right ass.........

LOL

Loser as usual. I am getting you banned. Enjoy.........

Dup account!

Liar and an ass
wow, surprise.........

See YOU. I AM GOD!

Loser

Smed1065
04-14-2009, 02:45 AM
My God; it's Thigpenitis over there!

"Our offense wasn't the problem"! "Our defense blah-blah-blah".

It Is Done; Carl has infected the entire NFL.:shake:

Nice dup...

No balls unless in your mouth. Nice go to WPI for lies and your life!

Raised On Riots
04-14-2009, 02:53 AM
Nice dup...

No balls unless in your mouth. Nice go to WPI for lies and your life!

Yeah, you're about 6 days late. Everyone knows I'm DCS with a new handle, but thanks for playing!

In the meantime, enjoy this case of Turtle Wax and a copy of the "Go Fuck Yourself" home edition! :thumb::LOL:

Katipan
04-14-2009, 05:54 AM
You know... I can't afford this. I have 4 jerseys. 1 Tony Gonzalez, 1 Trent Green, 1 Priest Holmes, and 1 Larry Johnson.

I'm fucking getting one that just says Mer.

Hog Farmer
04-14-2009, 06:47 AM
You know... I can't afford this. I have 4 jerseys. 1 Tony Gonzalez, 1 Trent Green, 1 Priest Holmes, and 1 Larry Johnson.

I'm fucking getting one that just says Mer.


If you do, you'll be traded.

Mile High Mania
04-14-2009, 06:50 AM
You know... I can't afford this. I have 4 jerseys. 1 Tony Gonzalez, 1 Trent Green, 1 Priest Holmes, and 1 Larry Johnson.

I'm ****ing getting one that just says Mer.

Years ago, I vowed to stop buying jerseys... they're way too much and by the time I settle on a player that would be worth the investment, they're gone.

I have a 75th Anniversary Elway jersey... and barring getting a new one as a gift, that's the last one I'll have.

Ebolapox
04-14-2009, 06:57 AM
Years ago, I vowed to stop buying jerseys... they're way too much and by the time I settle on a player that would be worth the investment, they're gone.

I have a 75th Anniversary Elway jersey... and barring getting a new one as a gift, that's the last one I'll have.

chinese ripoffs are cheap, or so I hear :spock:

Braincase
04-14-2009, 07:08 AM
You know... I can't afford this. I have 4 jerseys. 1 Tony Gonzalez, 1 Trent Green, 1 Priest Holmes, and 1 Larry Johnson.

I'm ****ing getting one that just says Mer.

That's why I have a Joe Delaney jersey.

SenselessChiefsFan
04-14-2009, 07:15 AM
That's why I have a Joe Delaney jersey.

I never catch crap for wearing my Len Dawson jersey.

I remember when Donnie was traded, I had his jersey and I took it out of the rotation (I can never bring myself to discard them.... even the Bono jersey)...then, I got to bring it back into circulation a couple years ago.

SenselessChiefsFan
04-14-2009, 07:22 AM
I am all about going young, but I think at a point, you have to have some veterans to show the younger guys the way.

I also think that the young players need time on the field to develop. Losing Gonzo takes away a ton of third down conversions. It takes away a lot of snaps from the offense because they will be sitting on the sidelines when they could have been converting a third down.

Remember, every third down conversion is at least three more snaps.

Plus, this team has been losing for so long, that they need to get that taste out of their mouth.

I understand that you don't build around a TE. However, every situation is different, and I am not sure that a low second round pick really makes up for what Gonzo gives the Chiefs on the field, even if it IS for only two more years.

And, lets face it. If the Chiefs are competetive this year, and a playoff team next year, then Gonzo will probably want to come back for a 'chance' to win a ring.

Again, I truly understand why trading him makes sense, but I think that sometimes you have to look beyond the way things look on paper.

I won't bash the Chiefs if they trade him for a second. A second is VERY good value for a 33 old TE, even one that is going to the HOF. But, I won't bash them for not trading him either.

KCtotheSB
04-14-2009, 07:30 AM
If this does go down, I won't necessarily celebrate it. I mean, kudos to Pioli for turning Gonzalez for more than the 3rd rounder we thought we'd get for him at the trade deadline last season. But I can't say it's a great day when a team icon who's given his all game in and game out gets dealt away.....

Kerberos
04-14-2009, 07:37 AM
Chill?

Do you live in the San Fernando Valley, circa 1980?

Yes. Yes I am. I thought that was rather polite myself.

How about "Chil-lax"......"It's Okaaaay" ?

Tuckdaddy
04-14-2009, 07:37 AM
you should have got on the bus with Carl...


we're no longer building a franchise around a TE...

I agree. I've been saying this for years. I love TG but he has hurt the over all offense developement for the last few years. WR specifically.

I wish him well but he needs to be traded.

Katipan
04-14-2009, 07:41 AM
How about "Chil-lax"......"It's Okaaaay" ?

We didn't use those terms in the Valley.

Katipan
04-14-2009, 07:43 AM
Years ago, I vowed to stop buying jerseys... they're way too much and by the time I settle on a player that would be worth the investment, they're gone.

I have a 75th Anniversary Elway jersey... and barring getting a new one as a gift, that's the last one I'll have.

I wheedled a beautiful Larry Johnson All Star jersey out of a drunk man for a low price.

I hate him. I've never worn it.

Mile High Mania
04-14-2009, 07:48 AM
I agree. I've been saying this for years. I love TG but he has hurt the over all offense developement for the last few years. WR specifically.

Really? You don't blame the former GM/HCs for not building a better group of WRs around him?

MahiMike
04-14-2009, 07:54 AM
TG and Cassel for Ryan. You heard it here first.

And last.:doh!:

dirk digler
04-14-2009, 08:06 AM
I'm not exactly sure I'd trust Frank Boal.

BS He is one of the most respected sports guys in KC. He is not a Jack Harry blowhard.

Hog Farmer
04-14-2009, 08:30 AM
If Pioli trades Gonzo I will lose confidence in his decision making ability. Gonzo will be more valuable to our offense than anybody they can pick in the draft.

Chiefnj2
04-14-2009, 08:34 AM
The Chiefs rejected a 2nd round pick? Wow. I guess they don't want to completely hamstring Cassel. Too bad for Tony.

BigRedChief
04-14-2009, 08:44 AM
The Chiefs rejected a 2nd round pick? Wow. I guess they don't want to completely hamstring Cassel. Too bad for Tony.
We don't know what has happened and anyone that claims to know what Pioli is doing behind the scenes is BS'ing.

Wait to see what happens. I'd say with his past history and his one draft/trade he has made here warrants us being patient and that we will get the best deal. For crissakes there were calls for an investigation because we got such a good deal on the Cassel trade.

BigMeatballDave
04-14-2009, 08:45 AM
I wheedled a beautiful Larry Johnson All Star jersey out of a drunk man for a low price.

I hate him. I've never worn it.I no longer have any jerseys. I had a Priest and an LJ. My brother now has them both.

Chiefnj2
04-14-2009, 08:49 AM
We don't know what has happened and anyone that claims to know what Pioli is doing behind the scenes is BS'ing.

Wait to see what happens. I'd say with his past history and his one draft/trade he has made here warrants us being patient and that we will get the best deal. For crissakes there were calls for an investigation because we got such a good deal on the Cassel trade.

If he can do better than a 2nd round pick for a TE with 2 years left then he should be GM of the year.

Nixhex
04-14-2009, 08:50 AM
I don't want to see Tony go. Losing him really hurts the offense. However, getting a second round pick for him is pretty damn good. We used a first on him and in return he gave us 85 - 90 percent of his career. A HOF career. Getting a second after all that for him isn't too bad.

CrazyHorse
04-14-2009, 09:42 AM
If Pioli trades Gonzo I will lose confidence in his decision making ability. Gonzo will be more valuable to our offense than anybody they can pick in the draft.

As much as I would hate to see Tony go, you have to ask yourself this question.

Would you trade your second round pick for Tony Gonzales knowing he had 1 maybe 2 years in the tank? If the answer is no, then that means you would take the 2nd for Tony.

At this late stage in Tonys carreer it's about return on investment. Not one good year from a player.

morphius
04-14-2009, 09:44 AM
I could at least stomach a second for him, a late third rounder to me was a joke.

Frankie
04-14-2009, 09:46 AM
FWIW:

According to this Pioli has REJECTED the 55 offer.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/4...cons-offer-for

Frank Boal of FOX4 in Kansas City is reporting the Kansas City Chiefs have rejected a trade offer from the Atlanta Falcons for tight end Tony Gonzalez. The offer was for the Falcons' 55th overall pick according to Michael Lombardi of the National Football Post.

*Boal rarely breaks news about the Chiefs and the rest of the mainstream media hasn't picked up on this yet so we're certainly going to continue following this story until we can get another confirmation.

Rumors have been swirling that the Chiefs were nearing a deal with someone to move Gonzalez. The basis of some of these rumors? Gonzalez cleaning out his locker.

We'll never know if the future Hall of Fame tight end was simply cleaning out his locker before the start of the Chiefs first veteran mandatory mini-camp on April 17th or if he removed his belongings with the intention that he wouldn't be back.

If the GM Scott Pioli values Gonzalez more than the Falcons' second round pick then it's unlikely any team in the NFL will match his price. The overlord of the previous Chiefs regime, Carl Peterson, reportedly pushed his asking price from a third to a second and fifth round pick at the trading deadline last year.

We can debate about Gonzalez's worth all day long but he's worth whatever any team will offer him. If the offers that came in last season (Eagles' 3rd, Giants' 6th) are any indication, Tony Gonzalez will not be traded by the Chiefs this season.

ChiefsCountry
04-14-2009, 09:48 AM
I don't want to see Tony go. Losing him really hurts the offense. However, getting a second round pick for him is pretty damn good. We used a first on him and in return he gave us 85 - 90 percent of his career. A HOF career. Getting a second after all that for him isn't too bad.

We used more than a first on Gonzo, try a 3rd round pick as well to move up to get him.

ChiTown
04-14-2009, 09:56 AM
The Chiefs rejected a 2nd round pick? Wow. I guess they don't want to completely hamstring Cassel. Too bad for Tony.

My thoughts as well.

We just spent a bloody fortune on Cassel to throw to ????? Bowe has been inconsistent, but serviceable. Beyond that, who the F do we have to throw the ball to?

If we get rid of our best receiver, he's going to get killed behind an OL that is suspect at best. If we trade Tony, we're going to have to get some serious value, or the Cassel trade, IMO, will be a yr 1 flop.

In regards to "too bad for Tony". I care for Tony, like I care for any other modern day Pro Athlete - I don't, unless they're wearing our Jersey on Game Day. They're just numbers to me these days.

Frankie
04-14-2009, 10:02 AM
If we get rid of our best receiver, (Cassel)'s going to get killed behind an OL that is suspect at best. If we trade Tony, we're going to have to get some serious value, or the Cassel trade, IMO, will be a yr 1 flop.

:clap:

Der Flöprer
04-14-2009, 10:09 AM
I really don't think our line will be suspect by the end of the draft. There's a good chance we're going OT at 3, and we'll probably pick up a Center in the draft as well. We very well could have an all world line by May.

Frankie
04-14-2009, 10:31 AM
I really don't think our line will be suspect by the end of the draft. There's a good chance we're going OT at 3, and we'll probably pick up a Center in the draft as well. We very well could have an all world line by May.

I like your blind optimism. ;)

Raised On Riots
04-14-2009, 10:33 AM
I never catch crap for wearing my Len Dawson jersey.

I remember when Donnie was traded, I had his jersey and I took it out of the rotation (I can never bring myself to discard them.... even the Bono jersey)...then, I got to bring it back into circulation a couple years ago.

Brother, you just told me all I ever need to know about you.

How about "Chil-lax"......"It's Okaaaay" ?

Frankie say RELAX?!?!

I really don't think our line will be suspect by the end of the draft. There's a good chance we're going OT at 3, and we'll probably pick up a Center in the draft as well. We very well could have an all world line by May.

And as we know, O-line is what puts the in fondue in True Fan panties :D

ChiTown
04-14-2009, 10:35 AM
I really don't think our line will be suspect by the end of the draft. There's a good chance we're going OT at 3, and we'll probably pick up a Center in the draft as well. We very well could have an all world line by May.

So, you're telling me that we're going to be All-World by relying on two rookie OL draft picks for the 09-10 Team?

Who is going to comprise this All-World line? Albert? I have no idea what we have with him at this point. He could be great, he could be nothing special at all. Waters? IMO, is not the player he used to be with Roaf and Shields anchoring that line. Niswanger? McIntosh? Goff? Taylor? Hmmmm

htismaqe
04-14-2009, 10:47 AM
I really don't think our line will be suspect by the end of the draft. There's a good chance we're going OT at 3, and we'll probably pick up a Center in the draft as well. We very well could have an all world line by May.

We could have a very good line without using the #3 on a tackle.

htismaqe
04-14-2009, 10:48 AM
Albert? I have no idea what we have with him at this point. He could be great, he could be nothing special at all.

You've GOT to be kidding.

ChiTown
04-14-2009, 10:50 AM
You've GOT to be kidding.

After one year, in that offense, I can't tell you how he's going to project. Like I said, he could be great, or he could be an average NFL OT.

Just Passin' By
04-14-2009, 10:53 AM
You've GOT to be kidding.

In his defense, Joe Thomas looked a hell of a lot better as a rookie than he did as an NFL sophomore.... it happens

Der Flöprer
04-14-2009, 10:55 AM
We could have a very good line without using the #3 on a tackle.

Oh, I'm not necessarily advocating it at all. But, it's reality at this point. And frankly, it's a better option than Curry IMO. I'm not saying we're going to light the world on fire, but I think our line will be majorly improved. So much so that LJ will rip 1200 yards + this season. It genuinely could be an all world line circa the early part of this decade in the next year or two though.

htismaqe
04-14-2009, 11:06 AM
After one year, in that offense, I can't tell you how he's going to project. Like I said, he could be great, or he could be an average NFL OT.

He still played better than almost anybody else on the team. Why fuck with it just because you can?

ChiTown
04-14-2009, 11:10 AM
Why **** with it just because you can?

Huh? WTF are u talking about? I'm not talking about getting rid of the guy or even replacing him, but I'm not even close to anointing the guy all-world either.

My point is, I have no idea how the guy is going to project after one season - and neither does anyone else.

Cave Johnson
04-14-2009, 11:17 AM
The Don's just driving a harder bargain.

mikey23545
04-14-2009, 11:29 AM
Yeah, you're about 6 days late. Everyone knows I'm Gochiefs with a new handle, but thanks for playing!


FYP, pillowbiter.

htismaqe
04-14-2009, 11:49 AM
Huh? WTF are u talking about? I'm not talking about getting rid of the guy or even replacing him, but I'm not even close to anointing the guy all-world either.

My point is, I have no idea how the guy is going to project after one season - and neither does anyone else.

He projects better than ANYONE in the draft. He's got a year of experience, and he was damn good at that.

Mr. Krab
04-14-2009, 11:51 AM
The #55 isn't high enough, if it was #35 Tony would be gone.

shitgoose
04-14-2009, 11:55 AM
After one year, in that offense, I can't tell you how he's going to project. Like I said, he could be great, or he could be an average NFL OT.

I think the fact that he came in as a rookie, got hurt, missed part of training camp, and was able to transition from playing guard in college to LT in the NFL speaks volumes about his ceiling in this league.

Nowhere to go but up for this guy barring injury or whatever.

vailpass
04-14-2009, 11:58 AM
I have always loved the fact that KC was the only team in the NFL whose best WR is a TE. I don't like that the new regime recognizes this as something that needs to change.
I think I'm going to miss Carl & Herm.

shitgoose
04-14-2009, 11:59 AM
I have always loved the fact that KC was the only team in the NFL whose best WR is a TE. I don't like that the new regime recognizes this as something that needs to change.
I think I'm going to miss Carl & Herm.
ROFLROFL

vailpass
04-14-2009, 12:00 PM
ROFLROFL

I'm a Bronco and a guest on this board, in case you didn't know. When I say I liked Carl & Herm right where they were I mean it.

SBK
04-14-2009, 12:02 PM
I'm a Bronco and a guest on this board, in case you didn't know. When I say I liked Carl & Herm right where they were I mean it.

It seems both our new regimes are going to ship off our best players. At least ours is only a TE. :D

vailpass
04-14-2009, 12:06 PM
It seems both our new regimes are going to ship off our best players. At least ours is only a TE. :D

KC is considering a trade on their own terms. McKid had to trade because he fucked up. Advantage KC.

From an outsider's POV although Tony may be KC's favorite player he is not their best player.
He is an aging TE. If KC could turn Tony into a quality young player through the draft that would be the best thing he could do for them at this point. There should be no sacred cows for a new GM coming into a losing program. IMHO.

SBK
04-14-2009, 12:14 PM
KC is considering a trade on their own terms. McKid had to trade because he ****ed up. Advantage KC.

From an outsider's POV although Tony may be KC's favorite player he is not their best player.
He is an aging TE. If KC could turn Tony into a quality young player through the draft that would be the best thing he could do for them at this point. There should be no sacred cows for a new GM coming into a losing program. IMHO.

I totally agree. It's almost a move you'd expect on Madden.

CupidStunt
04-14-2009, 12:19 PM
From an outsider's POV although Tony may be KC's favorite player he is not their best player.

He's easily the best player on the team. Not the most valuable by a long shot, but without question the best.

Raised On Riots
04-14-2009, 12:41 PM
FYP, pillowbiter.

FYMama, ass clown.

kc rush
04-14-2009, 12:42 PM
From an outsider's POV although Tony may be KC's favorite player he is not their best player.

Sadly a TE coming toward the end of his career and the punter may just be our best players. Hopefully this changes soon, at least the culture seems to be changing.

Coogs
04-14-2009, 12:44 PM
From an outsider's POV although Tony may be KC's favorite player he is not their best player.

I'll bite. From an outsiders POV, who is the Chiefs best player?

And I am not in favor of keeping TG or letting him go. Either way I am fine with it.

vailpass
04-14-2009, 01:00 PM
I'll bite. From an outsiders POV, who is the Chiefs best player?

And I am not in favor of keeping TG or letting him go. Either way I am fine with it.

I'm not speaking negatively of TG. Let me rephrase to say 'more valuable' instead of 'best' player.

IMO on a team that is rebuilding any young quality starter who can contribute to the reshaping of the team over the next 3-5 years is the most valuable kind of player.

So a guy like Alberts is a better player for KC today. Dorsey if he pans out. Quality starters you get in the upcoming draft.

Buehler445
04-14-2009, 01:47 PM
His name is Albert. But you have a good point. Along your lines of thinking he is probably the MVP at this point.
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