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T-post Tom
04-13-2009, 07:20 PM
Just curious to see how he's done in the second round previously.

Amnorix
04-13-2009, 07:36 PM
go to allthingsbillbelichick.com and check out the "draft" tab or whatever it is on the left. You'll get every draft BB was ever involved in. Not sure how relevant any pre-Patriots draft would be.

In general, it's been hit and miss in the 2nd round. Deion Branch and Eugene Wilson were very good picks. Bethel Johnson and Chad Jackson not so much.

LaChapelle
04-13-2009, 07:37 PM
Cassel and Vrabel for the Chiefs is the only 2nd rounder he is responsible for. I don't get how he was responsible for anything in NE. He wasn't the GM and BB called the shots for the most part.

Just Passin' By
04-13-2009, 07:37 PM
http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?teamId=3200&type=team

Kyle DeLexus
04-13-2009, 07:41 PM
Cassel and Vrabel for the Chiefs is the only 2nd rounder he is responsible for. I don't get how he was responsible for anything in NE. He wasn't the GM and BB called the shots for the most part.

According to a few books they call him the New England Patriot's GM

T-post Tom
04-13-2009, 07:41 PM
go to allthingsbillbelichick.com and check out the "draft" tab or whatever it is on the left. You'll get every draft BB was ever involved in. Not sure how relevant any pre-Patriots draft would be.

In general, it's been hit and miss in the 2nd round. Deion Branch and Eugene Wilson were very good picks. Bethel Johnson and Chad Jackson not so much.

Thank you. Do you think we'll see any patterns carry over from his days with the Pats? Also, if you had to guess, how much input is he going to allow Haley?

LaChapelle
04-13-2009, 07:43 PM
According to a few books they call him the New England Patriot's GM

Final say? The buck stopped with him? ect.

Kyle DeLexus
04-13-2009, 07:44 PM
Thank you. Do you think we'll see any patterns carry over from his days with the Pats? Also, if you had to guess, how much input is he going to allow Haley?

They will work together and most likely agree on most picks with Pioli having final say. From what I've heard, In NE it was basically the same thing with BB having final say. Higher rounds will lean more with Pioli and later rounds will be more about giving in to Haley, but they will both pretty much agree on all evaluations just have different choices on who the pick should be.

Just Passin' By
04-13-2009, 07:47 PM
Thank you. Do you think we'll see any patterns carry over from his days with the Pats? Also, if you had to guess, how much input is he going to allow Haley?

Look for the traditional notion of "value" to change a bit. It'll likely be more team specific, and it will incorporate need as a factor.

Expect Haley to have a lot of input in future seasons. My guess is that his input may be less this year depending upon how much he got to look at the prospects given the late nature of his arrival.

The Patriots pattern seems to be to use the second round as much more of a gambling round than round 1. It won't surprise me to see the Chiefs (and Broncos) to take a similar approach.

Kyle DeLexus
04-13-2009, 07:48 PM
Final say? The buck stopped with him? ect.

Nope BB had that, but he wasn't labeled as the GM either IIRC. Pioli was Director of Player Personnel, but worked with BB as a GM would BB just had final say.

T-post Tom
04-13-2009, 07:48 PM
http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?teamId=3200&type=team


perfect. thank you.

LaChapelle
04-13-2009, 07:49 PM
I feel the same way when someone mentions "Haley's offense." Was it really his after only two seasons? The weapons dictated what his offense was going to be. Most of those were already there.

T-post Tom
04-13-2009, 07:52 PM
Hmmm...Terrence Wheatley, Chad Jackson, Marquise Hill, Eugene Wilson, Bethel Johnson & Deion Branch. Not sure what to make of that.

Deberg_1990
04-13-2009, 07:53 PM
Anyone have a list of Pioli's 7th round picks? Id really like to see how hes fared.

Pioli Zombie
04-13-2009, 07:54 PM
According to a few books they call him the New England Patriot's GM
Not that I've ever read. Belichick is the GM of that team. Pioli was the talent finder.
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Pioli Zombie
04-13-2009, 07:55 PM
Anyone have a list of Pioli's 7th round picks? Id really like to see how hes fared.
I know that David Givens was a great find at 7 in 2002.
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OnTheWarpath58
04-13-2009, 07:56 PM
I'm not sure what Pioli's history in NE has to do with what he may or may not do here.

We're talking about two situations that are polar opposites.

In New England, he never really had glaring needs to address, and could take some chances he may not have normally taken. Plus, these 2nd round picks he had were very late 2nds.

In KC, he has a roster full of holes, and early picks in each round.

doomy3
04-13-2009, 07:57 PM
Hmmm...Terrence Wheatley, Chad Jackson, Marquise Hill, Eugene Wilson, Bethel Johnson & Deion Branch. Not sure what to make of that.

Eh, look at any team's draft history and they will have some hits and misses just like the Pats had.

T-post Tom
04-13-2009, 07:57 PM
And for the Chiefs during 2002 -2008:

Eddie Freeman, Kawika Mitchell, Junior Siavii, Kris Wilson, Bernard Pollard, Turk McBride & Brandon Flowers.

T-post Tom
04-13-2009, 08:00 PM
I'm not sure what Pioli's history in NE has to do with what he may or may not do here.

We're talking about two situations that are polar opposites.

In New England, he never really had glaring needs to address, and could take some chances he may not have normally taken. Plus, these 2nd round picks he had were very late 2nds.

In KC, he has a roster full of holes, and early picks in each round.


We all have tendencies. Just curious. And yes, it's pretty obvious the two franchises are VERY different.

htismaqe
04-13-2009, 08:25 PM
Hmmm...Terrence Wheatley, Chad Jackson, Marquise Hill, Eugene Wilson, Bethel Johnson & Deion Branch. Not sure what to make of that.

meh, 50/50.

A couple good, a couple not so much. The Marquise Hill thing throws a wrench in it because we'll never know about him. Not their fault.

Pioli Zombie
04-13-2009, 08:32 PM
I don't completely buy this idea that the Patriots never had holes to fill. That roster was a mess in 2000. Full of overpaid deadweight, way over the cap, and after 3 disastrous drafts by Bobby Grier. After the 5-11 season they signed something like 17 mid level FA's just to increase the talent level and provide depth. They never dreamed they would win a SB with it in 2001. Then they did a remarkable job totally revamping the roster by 2003 and a much more talented and younger team won the SBs in 2003 and 2004. But in 2000 they were a bad team.
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htismaqe
04-13-2009, 08:42 PM
I don't completely buy this idea that the Patriots never had holes to fill. That roster was a mess in 2000. Full of overpaid deadweight, way over the cap, and after 3 disastrous drafts by Bobby Grier. After the 5-11 season they signed something like 17 mid level FA's just to increase the talent level and provide depth. They never dreamed they would win a SB with it in 2001. Then they did a remarkable job totally revamping the roster by 2003 and a much more talented and younger team won the SBs in 2003 and 2004. But in 2000 they were a bad team.
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I don't think anybody said they NEVER had holes to fill.

T-post Tom
04-13-2009, 10:30 PM
Anyone have a list of Pioli's 7th round picks? Id really like to see how hes fared.

Look it up at www.yourenotfunny.com

Amnorix
04-14-2009, 06:18 AM
According to a few books they call him the New England Patriot's GM

I don't think his title was ever formally "General Manager". It was like "Vice President of Player Personnel" or somesuch.

They've both talked about it ad nauseum. Shared veto power. Usually they agreed on a guy, but if EITHER one didnt' like a guy for whatever reason, they wouldn't get him. But absolute, final say over all football operations is Belichick's.

Amnorix
04-14-2009, 06:20 AM
Final say? The buck stopped with him? ect.

No. Belichick is in complete charge of all football operations.

Picture two colleagues who are on the same page 98% of the time working to build a team together. Technically, one reports to the other, but they're in agreement so much that it hardly matters. During the 5% of disagreement, if it's over GETTING a new player (draft/FA), then EITHER can veto the acquisition.

That's about what it was.

Amnorix
04-14-2009, 06:21 AM
Hmmm...Terrence Wheatley, Chad Jackson, Marquise Hill, Eugene Wilson, Bethel Johnson & Deion Branch. Not sure what to make of that.

Deion Branch was an excellent selection. Eugene Wilson was very good for 3-4 years, then fell off a cliff. Whatley looks like he'll work out.

Johnson and Jackson were busts, and Hill was heading that way before he died in an unfortuante accident.

Amnorix
04-14-2009, 06:22 AM
Not that I've ever read. Belichick is the GM of that team. Pioli was the talent finder.
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Eh. I think it would be oversimplifying things to call Pioli the "talent finder". BB is VERY involved in that too.

Amnorix
04-14-2009, 06:23 AM
I know that David Givens was a great find at 7 in 2002.
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Givens and Cassell was 7th round home runs. I think LeKevin Smith -- our backup DL -- was a 7th too and he's been very solid in that role. Not a starter, but if you can find a guy that sticks and does a serviceable job for 3-4 years with a 7th round pick, you've done very well.

I think we had a ST stud for a couple years out of the 7th too. Cant' remember his name.

Amnorix
04-14-2009, 06:24 AM
I'm not sure what Pioli's history in NE has to do with what he may or may not do here.

We're talking about two situations that are polar opposites.

In New England, he never really had glaring needs to address, and could take some chances he may not have normally taken. Plus, these 2nd round picks he had were very late 2nds.

In KC, he has a roster full of holes, and early picks in each round.

Not true. in 2000 or 2001, the Pats were called one of the least talented teams in the NFL by some sportswriter. I still can't believe we won a SB with that '01 roster. :eek:

Just Passin' By
04-14-2009, 07:57 AM
Givens and Cassell was 7th round home runs. I think LeKevin Smith -- our backup DL -- was a 7th too and he's been very solid in that role. Not a starter, but if you can find a guy that sticks and does a serviceable job for 3-4 years with a 7th round pick, you've done very well.

I think we had a ST stud for a couple years out of the 7th too. Cant' remember his name.

Willie Andrews, before his legal problems got him booted from the team.

The_Doctor10
04-14-2009, 09:42 AM
And for the Chiefs during 2002 -2008:

Eddie Freeman, Kawika Mitchell, Junior Siavii, Kris Wilson, Bernard Pollard, Turk McBride & Brandon Flowers.

That's Grey Cup Champion and defensive standout Eddie Freeman to y'all.

And 2 of the last 3 2nd rounders are decent; Flowers is going to be a stud, and Bernard Pollard brought about a cataclysmic paradigm shift not seen since relativity.

KCtotheSB
04-14-2009, 09:48 AM
That's Grey Cup Champion and defensive standout Eddie Freeman to y'all.

And 2 of the last 3 2nd rounders are decent; Flowers is going to be a stud, and Bernard Pollard brought about a cataclysmic paradigm shift not seen since relativity.

Bernard Pollard has served his purpose. Forget Obama. He's brought about real "change".

EyePod
04-14-2009, 10:26 AM
Here's the whole list BTW:

<table nowrap="" class="chart" bordercolorlight="#98A7B8" bordercolordark="#506074" width="100%" bgcolor="#ffffff" border="3" bordercolor="#506074" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td align="center" bgcolor="#eef0f3">2</td> <td align="center" bgcolor="#eef0f3">62</td> <td align="left" bgcolor="#eef0f3" nowrap="nowrap">Terrence Wheatley</td> <td align="center" bgcolor="#eef0f3">CB</td> <td bgcolor="#eef0f3" nowrap="nowrap">Colorado</td></tr></tbody></table><table nowrap="" class="chart" bordercolorlight="#98A7B8" bordercolordark="#506074" width="100%" bgcolor="#ffffff" border="3" bordercolor="#506074" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td align="center">2</td> <td colspan="5" align="center">To Miami as part of trade for WR Wes Welker</td> </tr> </tbody></table><table class="chart" bordercolorlight="#98A7B8" bordercolordark="#506074" width="100%" bgcolor="#ffffff" border="3" bordercolor="#506074" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td align="center">2</td> <td align="center">36</td> <td align="left" nowrap="nowrap">Chad Jackson</td> <td align="center">WR</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">Florida</td> <td>From Green Bay for a 2nd (52) and a 3rd (75)</td></tr></tbody></table>April 23: The Patriots traded a second-round choice in the 2005 draft (64th overall – T Adam Terry) to the Baltimore Ravens in exchange for a third-round selection in 2005 (84th overall – CB Ellis Hobbs), a sixth-round choice in 2005 (195th overall – traded to Green Bay) and Baltimore's third-round pick in the 2006 draft (75th overall – Traded to Green Bay).
<table nowrap="" class="chart" bordercolorlight="#98A7B8" bordercolordark="#506074" width="100%" bgcolor="#ffffff" border="3" bordercolor="#506074" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td align="center" bgcolor="#eef0f3">2</td> <td colspan="5" align="center" bgcolor="#eef0f3">To Cincinnati in exchange for RB Corey Dillon</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center">2</td> <td align="center">63</td> <td align="left" nowrap="nowrap">Marquise Hill</td> <td align="center">DE</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">LSU</td> <td> </td></tr></tbody></table>
<table nowrap="" class="chart" bordercolorlight="#98A7B8" bordercolordark="#506074" width="100%" bgcolor="#ffffff" border="3" bordercolor="#506074" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td align="center">2</td> <td align="center">36</td> <td align="left" nowrap="nowrap">Eugene Wilson</td> <td align="center">DB</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">Illinois</td> <td>From Houston, along with a 4th (117), for a 2nd (41) and 3rd (75)</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" bgcolor="#eef0f3">2</td> <td align="center" bgcolor="#eef0f3">45</td> <td align="left" bgcolor="#eef0f3" nowrap="nowrap">Bethel Johnson</td> <td align="center" bgcolor="#eef0f3">WR</td> <td bgcolor="#eef0f3" nowrap="nowrap">Texas A&M</td> <td bgcolor="#eef0f3">From Carolina for a 2nd (50) and 4th (120)</td></tr></tbody></table><table nowrap="" class="chart" bordercolorlight="#98A7B8" bordercolordark="#506074" width="100%" bgcolor="#ffffff" border="3" bordercolor="#506074" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td align="center">2</td> <td align="center">65</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">Deion Branch</td> <td align="center">WR</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">Louisville</td> <td> </td></tr></tbody></table><table nowrap="" class="chart" bordercolorlight="#98A7B8" bordercolordark="#506074" width="100%" bgcolor="#ffffff" border="3" bordercolor="#506074" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td align="center">2</td> <td align="center">48</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">Matt Light</td> <td align="center">T</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">Purdue</td> <td>From Detroit for a 2nd (50, from Pittsburgh) and a 6th (173, from San Francisco)</td></tr></tbody></table><table nowrap="" class="chart" bordercolorlight="#98A7B8" bordercolordark="#506074" width="100%" bgcolor="#ffffff" border="3" bordercolor="#506074" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td align="center">2</td> <td align="center">46</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">Adrian Klemm</td> <td align="center">T</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">Hawaii</td> <td> </td></tr></tbody></table>

EyePod
04-14-2009, 10:27 AM
Bernard Pollard has served his purpose. Forget Obama. He's brought about real "change".

Bernard Pollard is going to be the most improved defensive player for the Chiefs next year. Watch when he comes around the corner and demolishes the QB's a la Adrian Wilson Style. QB's will be afraid he'll go all Bernard Pollard on their asses just like he did against Tom Brady.