Pelosi Comment

[HonestChieffan]

I dont know how to put the vid clip in here but watching Pelosi comment on the tea party idea, she actually looks like shes made of plastic, insane eyes. She is a frightening person.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P44q7Jt68DA

[orange]

I dont know how to put the vid clip in here

Open your link in a separate tab or page.
On the right there's a box labeled TPMTV. In that box there's a slot labeled Embed.
Click in that Embed slot. The text there should become highlighted. Type ctrl-c to copy.
Now edit your post and paste in what you copied with ctrl-v.


As for your claim - the quality on that video is so bad everything about it looks plastic. An interesting word for you to use considering she's quite correctly describing the whole teabagging fiasco as "astroturf."

[Radar Chief]

As for your claim - the quality on that video is so bad everything about it looks plastic. An interesting word for you to use considering she's quite correctly describing the whole teabagging fiasco as "astroturf."

Kinda funny how the MSM, and you libs, have been reacting to this. It gives the impression of a girl that just saw her ex-boyfriend out with another girl so she’s trashing her ex’s date to anyone that will listen.

[BucEyedPea]

Open your link in a separate tab or page.
On the right there's a box labeled TPMTV. In that box there's a slot labeled Embed.
Click in that Embed slot. The text there should become highlighted. Type ctrl-c to copy.
Now edit your post and paste in what you copied with ctrl-v.


As for your claim - the quality on that video is so bad everything about it looks plastic. An interesting word for you to use considering she's quite correctly describing the whole teabagging fiasco as "astroturf."

No she's only partially correct. These tea parties were originated by the libertarian Pauliticians which is grass-roots. The big-Whig Rs joined later. Our fear was they would use our movement. I mean really a low-tax imperialist is an oxymoron.

Anyhow, who showed up turned out to be an ad-hoc motely group. I saw large photos of Ayn Rand as well as Fair Tax folks. The latter have have been criticized by the libertarian wing as they don't want to reduce govt and try to be revenue neutral instead.

And if it was astro-turfed, then protests arranged by ACORN or the unions are the same thing. Another classic case of projection by leftist politicians. Don't forget America has a large middle-class. We see through this grandstanding.

[Dottefan]

Kinda funny how the MSM, and you libs, have been reacting to this. It gives the impression of a girl that just saw her ex-boyfriend out with another girl so she’s trashing her ex’s date to anyone that will listen.

No......what is really funny is how all you conservative \ independents, where no were to be found the past eight years, and now all of the sudden, because you YOUR president, OUR president has to make some tuff decisions to clean up the HISTORICAL mess that YOUR party made when they destroyed OUR economy, our budget and the AMERICAN dream...YOU conservatives are already crying about Obama, he hasn't even been in office for 150 days...and already FOX(fake) news and the rest of you clowns are all over Obama, but not a word was uttered when that Moron that you electected(twice.lol..really you voted for him twice?I guess 50 million people can be that stupid) was putting us in the mess that we find ourselves in today..........all conservative republicans need to grow up, move on, and come to the realization that Obama is our president , and support the guy, because if he fails , then our country will fail....

[Radar Chief]

No......what is really funny is how all you conservative \ independents, where no were to be found the past eight years, and now all of the sudden, because you YOUR president, OUR president has to make some tuff decisions to clean up the HISTORICAL mess that YOUR party made when they destroyed OUR economy, our budget and the AMERICAN dream...YOU conservatives are already crying about Obama, he hasn't even been in office for 150 days...and already FOX(fake) news and the rest of you clowns are all over Obama, but not a word was uttered when that Moron that you electected(twice.lol..really you voted for him twice?I guess 50 million people can be that stupid) was putting us in the mess that we find ourselves in today..........all conservative republicans need to grow up, move on, and come to the realization that Obama is our president , and support the guy, because if he fails , then our country will fail....

Prime example right there. :LOL:
You’ve got a total of 5 posts, how do you know who was posting what here?

[HonestChieffan]

Amazing.

I think you cold start a thread about sunrises and in three posts some asswipe would turn it into a bash someone else for being (insert whatever) and that (insert anything) is evil.

[Dottefan]

Prime example right there. :LOL:
You’ve got a total of 5 posts, how do you know who was posting what here?


Sorry for changing the topic on this thread...yes She scare me , and I am lib..but she does scares the hell out of me..lol..

[Radar Chief]

Sorry for changing the topic on this thread...yes She scares me , and I am lib..but she does scares the hell out of me..lol..

Ok, I’ll edit mine too. Agreed, she’s scary.

[Dottefan]

No you just posted a bunch of partisan crap.
You’re a poster boy for what is wrong with politics. No clue what you’re talking about or who you’re talking to but you say it with a lot of energy so that supposed to make up for being a partisan dipshit.
Good thing you showed up we didn’t have enough of that around here. :thumb:

Good job...... you really made me feel bad..lol..

[Radar Chief]

Good job...... you really made me feel bad..lol..

Re-read it.

[Dottefan]

Re-read it.

I understand where you are coming from, and yes I agree with you, there is to much OUR ,and YOUR in politics today, and most politicians worry about there parties agenda rather then the American people. I am a lib, so obviously always see things through libreal eyes.. Lets just move on and make fun of Pelosi....that is allot more fun then talking politics at 8:30 in the morning...lol

[Cannibal]

No......what is really funny is how all you conservative \ independents, where no were to be found the past eight years, and now all of the sudden, because you YOUR president, OUR president has to make some tuff decisions to clean up the HISTORICAL mess that YOUR party made when they destroyed OUR economy, our budget and the AMERICAN dream...YOU conservatives are already crying about Obama, he hasn't even been in office for 150 days...and already FOX(fake) news and the rest of you clowns are all over Obama, but not a word was uttered when that Moron that you electected(twice.lol..really you voted for him twice?I guess 50 million people can be that stupid) was putting us in the mess that we find ourselves in today..........all conservative republicans need to grow up, move on, and come to the realization that Obama is our president , and support the guy, because if he fails , then our country will fail....

Despite the hyperbole, there is quite a bit of truth here. After all the deficit spending, bank bailouts and taxes rates all started under George Bush. Yet we didn't hear a peep about it.

[talastan]

Despite the hyperbole, there is quite a bit of truth here. After all the deficit spending, bank bailouts and taxes rates all started under George Bush. Yet we didn't hear a peep about it.

Not necessiarly true, though it wasn't highly mentioned, there were several across the country, libs and conservatives, who despised these bailouts and spending. Several groups have critcized both Bush and Obama. As for Pelosi, I can't help but scream the word, STFU B****! when I see her on television. :D

[Cannibal]

Not necessiarly true, though it wasn't highly mentioned, there were several across the country, libs and conservatives, who despised these bailouts and spending. Several groups have critcized both Bush and Obama. As for Pelosi, I can't help but scream the word, STFU B****! when I see her on television. :D

The taxes haven't changed for 8 years, the bailouts started a year or so ago and the drastic spending increases started 8 years ago. We certainly didn't see any tea parties 3 years ago.

[Dottefan]

The taxes haven't changed for 8 years, the bailouts started a year or so ago and the drastic spending increases started 8 years ago. We certainly didn't see any tea parties 3 years ago.

Well said ..

[patteeu]

Despite the hyperbole, there is quite a bit of truth here. After all the deficit spending, bank bailouts and taxes rates all started under George Bush. Yet we didn't hear a peep about it.

That's completely ridiculous. There was a fairly large conservative, Ron Paul movement on this message board that was relentlessly critical of the last Republican administration for deficit spending and bailouts. And despite having a reputation around here for being a Bush apologist, I was consistently critical of his domestic spending largess (although then, as now, I also consistently pointed out that democrats wanted to spend even more at nearly every turn). And in between the Ronulans on one end and myself on the other, there was plenty of criticism around her for Bush spending from the other conservatives.

[patteeu]

The taxes haven't changed for 8 years, the bailouts started a year or so ago and the drastic spending increases started 8 years ago. We certainly didn't see any tea parties 3 years ago.

Well said ..

Not really...

http://blog.heritage.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/wapoobamabudget1.jpg

Note that the tea party phenomenon seems to take off at around the point when that huge red bar appears on the time line. Note also that the left was screeching about how Bush was bankrupting America when those short gray bars were taking place but have now fallen silent as those Bush deficits are swamped by the Obama's fiscal bloodletting.

[Cannibal]

Not really...

http://blog.heritage.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/wapoobamabudget1.jpg

Note that the tea party phenomenon seems to take off at around the point when that huge red bar appears on the time line.

Bush took a 300 billion surplush into the red in less than 3 years. Don't try stating he didn't drastically increase spending. Not to mention the bailouts started with his approval under his watch.

[stevieray]

Bush took a 300 billion surplush into the red in less than 4 years. Don't try stating he didn't drastically increase spending. That is insane. Not to mention the bailouts started with his approval under his watch.


...but he did it too! :shake:

Spending is bad.
Bush was a spender.
Obama's a spender.
Spending is good.

[Cannibal]

...but he did it too! :shake:

Spending is bad.
Bush was a spender.
Obama's a spender.
Spending is good.

I agree they are both spenders. My point is that we didn't see any of these partisan Tea Parties when Bush was doing it.

[stevieray]

I agree they are both spenders. My point is that we didn't see any of these partisan Tea Parties when Bush was doing it.

They aren't partisan...Thank God people are finally waking up.

Do you remember anyone complaining about stimulus checks last year.?

[patteeu]

Bush took a 300 billion surplush into the red in less than 3 years. Don't try stating he didn't drastically increase spending. Not to mention the bailouts started with his approval under his watch.

First read post 17 again and stop trying to put words in my mouth. Bush did increase spending. Obama and the democrats make him look like a penny-pinching Dave Ramsey by comparison though.

Take a look at that graph again, dude. Even if you give Bush credit for half of that 2009 red bar (which he fairly deserves), the Obama deficits swamp the Bush deficits. It's not even close. And the worst thing about that chart, as if the sheer magnitude of Obama deficits isn't enough, is that Obama's deficits project to be getting consistently worse at the end of 8 freaking years in office, not better.

[patteeu]

I agree they are both spenders. My point is that we didn't see any of these partisan Tea Parties when Bush was doing it.

Look at the graph again. I have confidence that you'll be able to understand this if you just keep trying.

[Radar Chief]

They aren't partisan...Thank God people are finally waking up.

Do you remember anyone complaining about stimulus checks last year.?

Oh, there is certainly partisan gamesmanship going on here.
Would the MSM, and libs in general, be trying so hard to demagogue these TEA Parties if the Teleprompter wasn’t their guy? The Daily Show even got into the act.

[BucEyedPea]

And in between the Ronulans on one end and myself on the other, there was plenty of criticism around her for Bush spending from the other conservatives.

Please Pat, the Romulan's of Star Trek were the Soviets. We are far from that camp. Please use something more appropriate for us like: Paulies, Paulites, Pauliticians or Paulie Girls. :)

[BucEyedPea]

I agree they are both spenders. My point is that we didn't see any of these partisan Tea Parties when Bush was doing it.

I believe there was a Tea Party by the Paulies during the Primary Season.

The December 16 anniversary of the 1773 Boston Tea Party protest of taxation without representation is the next big push, as nearly 24,000 people have pledged to donate
I remember the Tea Party videos.
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/usa/news/article_1378326.php/Ron_Paul_camp_gears_up_for_Tea_Party_one_supporter_speaks_out#ixzz0CwgtMzQr&B

[Dottefan]

They aren't partisan...Thank God people are finally waking up.

Do you remember anyone complaining about stimulus checks last year.?


All they want to do is cry about Obama.........if bush didn't royally mess things up there would be no need for all these spending..now all the people that voted for the man that caused this huge mess, and kept quiet during the whole time that he destroyed our economy....NOW HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY..LOL...WOW, YOU GUYS HAVE BALLS.

[Cannibal]

First read post 17 again and stop trying to put words in my mouth. Bush did increase spending. Obama and the democrats make him look like a penny-pinching Dave Ramsey by comparison though.

Take a look at that graph again, dude. Even if you give Bush credit for half of that 2009 red bar (which he fairly deserves), the Obama deficits swamp the Bush deficits. It's not even close. And the worst thing about that chart, as if the sheer magnitude of Obama deficits isn't enough, is that Obama's deficits project to be getting consistently worse at the end of 8 freaking years in office, not better.

So far Obama is on a higher spending pace and I am not happy about it. But your graph doesn't mean much until the money is actually spent. It is projected spending. We'll have to see how much the economy turns around and how spending is adjusted in the near future before we crucify Obama.

[banyon]

Not really...

http://blog.heritage.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/wapoobamabudget1.jpg

Note that the tea party phenomenon seems to take off at around the point when that huge red bar appears on the time line. Note also that the left was screeching about how Bush was bankrupting America when those short gray bars were taking place but have now fallen silent as those Bush deficits are swamped by the Obama's fiscal bloodletting.

Neat chart, I love how it glosses over the Iraq war, where Bush left it off budget and Obama put it on budget where it should have been in the first place.

[stevieray]

Oh, there is certainly partisan gamesmanship going on here.
Would the MSM, and libs in general, be trying so hard to demagogue these TEA Parties if the Teleprompter wasn’t their guy? The Daily Show even got into the act.

It's funny. after watching a full frontal assault of media, protests, and castigation for eight years, and all it takes is one gathering to make some go off the deep end..from sexual innuendo, SOH marginalizing, and Nap labeling them a threat....

One protest.

[Dottefan]

You guys(Republicans\Concervaties) were patient enough to give Bush 8 years to screw things up..., now you want to be impatient after not even 150 days of Obamas term..lol..

[patteeu]

So far Obama is on a higher spending pace and I am not happy about it. But your graph doesn't mean much until the money is actually spent. It is projected spending. We'll have to see how much the economy turns around and how spending is adjusted in the near future before we crucify Obama.

The 2009 bar is pretty well established, even if it shows up as projected because the book hasn't been closed. That is enough to explain why these tea parties have taken off now, when they wouldn't have generated nearly as much interest a couple of years ago. People who were upset with Bush spending have become enraged by Bush/Obama spending/bailouts. Add to that the added weight of anticipated future Obama deficits, whether the projections end up playing out or not, and you've got your answer.

[BucEyedPea]

You guys(Republicans\Concervaties) were patient enough to give Bush 8 years to screw things up..., now you want to be impatient after not even 150 days of Obamas term..lol..

Not all of us Republican/Conservatives gave Bush a pass on this stuff. Not I.
But I do think a good case can be made for the past 16 years being a factor. This is/was Greenspan's economy.

[stevieray]

You guys(Republicans\Concervaties) were patient enough to give Bush 8 years to screw things up..., now you want to be impatient after not even 150 days of Obamas term..lol..

that's right..I do the same thing with my children..I'm givng my kids a full eighteen years to screw up...wating for their mistakes takes patience..

:rolleyes:

[patteeu]

Neat chart, I love how it glosses over the Iraq war, where Bush left it off budget and Obama put it on budget where it should have been in the first place.

Add it in and you've still got a major difference between Bush deficit levels and Obama deficit levels. In fact, leaving aside 2009 (for which both men are responsible), it would be a close call even after adding in the Iraq war factor as to whether the largest Bush deficit was as high as the smallest Obama deficit.

And as I like to repeat, Obama spent more in his first 4 weeks than George W. Bush spent on the Iraq War in 4 YEARS! ;)

[banyon]

Also, Pelosi is strange looking and has probably had too much done to her face. I'm not sure why that's a thread topic though.

But, in reality, Pelosi's appearance has little to do with why she is dangerous and incompetent and needs to be replaced ASAP. She's been dragging Obama down since he got into office.

[banyon]

Add it in and you've still got a major difference between Bush deficit levels and Obama deficit levels. In fact, leaving aside 2009 (for which both men are responsible), it would be a close call even after adding in the Iraq war factor as to whether the largest Bush deficit was as high as the smallest Obama deficit.

And as I like to repeat, Obama spent in 4 weeks what Bush spent on the Iraq War in 4 years.

not *quite* as big a difference. And, of course, though Bush authorized the 700 billion$ bank bailout, you're sticking that on Obama's tab too.

[patteeu]

not *quite* as big a difference. And, of course, though Bush authorized the 700 billion$ bank bailout, you're sticking that on Obama's tab too.

I'm giving Bush credit for what happened on his watch and a reasonable portion of what happened on Obama's. Normally, the outgoing POTUS was in place when the first budget of the incoming POTUS term is passed, but in this case, it wasn't. Bush gets credit for the TARP (despite the fact that Obama and the democrats were partners in it's passage). Bush also gets credit for a nominal budget, but Obama was in place when the final budget was passed so he gets some credit too and Obama is responsible for the huge porkulus bill (which cost more than 4 years of Iraq War as I've previously pointed out). I think it's fair to give each man credit for about half of the 2009 deficit.

[Cannibal]

Not all of us Republican/Conservatives gave Bush a pass on this stuff. Not I.
But I do think a good case can be made for the past 16 years being a factor. This is/was Greenspan's economy.

I agree. A small minority of conservatives like yourself were very pissed off about it at the time. While I may not agree with many of your views, I will admit that you seem to base your opinions on priciple, rather than party as I have seen you criticize Bush and give Obama credit when due. You probably do a better job of it than I.

[BucEyedPea]

I agree. A small minority of conservatives like yourself were very pissed off about it at the time. While I may not agree with many of your views, I will admit that you seem to base your opinions on priciple, rather than party as I have seen you criticize Bush and give Obama credit when due. You probably do a better job of it than I.

I tend to side with the left on foreign policy these days....but not necessarily in the past.

I also agree with the Ds on a number of other issues that I think are problems that need fixing. I just don't agree with them on the causes or solutions. For instance I don't support nafta and the various "free-trade" arrangements. I do think health care is too expensive. I can support the gay civil unions if done locally and with a libertarian solution or some such variation, provided both sides leave each other alone including how their kids are educated on the matter. I'm radical on education though.

[petegz28]

Astro Turf? Not Grass Roots?

Name 1 Liberal-based protest that was not organized by some rich Dems?

[talastan]

Astro Turf? Not Grass Roots?

Name 1 Liberal-based protest that was not organized by some rich Dems?

:clap: Rep! Soros has funded the Left for years now. Yet obviously, according to Pelosi, everyone of these people who were at the protest are rich. :rolleyes:

[Calcountry]

I dont know how to put the vid clip in here but watching Pelosi comment on the tea party idea, she actually looks like shes made of plastic, insane eyes. She is a frightening person.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P44q7Jt68DA

OH NOOOOS, if I Blink I will lacerate my face!111!1

[petegz28]

You guys(Republicans\Concervaties) were patient enough to give Bush 8 years to screw things up..., now you want to be impatient after not even 150 days of Obamas term..lol..

Well you would have a point except Obama has spent more money in 150 day than Bush did in 8 years. :doh!:

[redsurfer11]

Despite the hyperbole, there is quite a bit of truth here. After all the deficit spending, bank bailouts and taxes rates all started under George Bush. Yet we didn't hear a peep about it.

The Bailouts started when Obama got the Nomination. Americans started pulling their money out of everything. They knew a Democrat would win the election. And the World would turn to shit. The economy is dead and will get worse.

[redsurfer11]

You guys(Republicans\Concervaties) were patient enough to give Bush 8 years to screw things up..., now you want to be impatient after not even 150 days of Obamas term..lol..

Bush was a puppet. But, the problem with the banks and housing markets started with the Clinton Administration. They opened the floodgate.

[Cannibal]

The Bailouts started when Obama got the Nomination. Americans started pulling their money out of everything. They knew a Democrat would win the election. And the World would turn to shit. The economy is dead and will get worse.

You're a complete fool.

[Mojo Jojo]

No......what is really funny is how all you conservative \ independents, where no were to be found the past eight years, and now all of the sudden, because you YOUR president, OUR president has to make some tuff decisions to clean up the HISTORICAL mess that YOUR party made when they destroyed OUR economy, our budget and the AMERICAN dream...YOU conservatives are already crying about Obama, he hasn't even been in office for 150 days...and already FOX(fake) news and the rest of you clowns are all over Obama, but not a word was uttered when that Moron that you electected(twice.lol..really you voted for him twice?I guess 50 million people can be that stupid) was putting us in the mess that we find ourselves in today..........all conservative republicans need to grow up, move on, and come to the realization that Obama is our president , and support the guy, because if he fails , then our country will fail....

Yes we were. You just didn't pay attention. We have been protesting from Clinton (requiring bad loans that the taxpayers ended up covering)...we protested GWB and bad spending. If you were too dumb to face issues over the past 17 years don't blame us now for our protest.

[alanm]

No......what is really funny is how all you conservative \ independents, where no were to be found the past eight years, and now all of the sudden, because you YOUR president, OUR president has to make some tuff decisions to clean up the HISTORICAL mess that YOUR party made when they destroyed OUR economy, our budget and the AMERICAN dream...YOU conservatives are already crying about Obama, he hasn't even been in office for 150 days...and already FOX(fake) news and the rest of you clowns are all over Obama, but not a word was uttered when that Moron that you electected(twice.lol..really you voted for him twice?I guess 50 million people can be that stupid) was putting us in the mess that we find ourselves in today..........all conservative republicans need to grow up, move on, and come to the realization that Obama is our president , and support the guy, because if he fails , then our country will fail....Now I REALLY want him to fail. Who can argue with logic like that?

[BucEyedPea]

The problem is both parties. Sorry but people in general are not happy with the direction this country is moving in— including under the Bush and even the previous Bush.

[HonestChieffan]

The problem is both parties. Sorry but people in general are not happy with the direction this country is moving in— including under the Bush and even the previous Bush.

Far too reasonable a post. You will recieve two demerits for not being a flame thrower. Posts that lack hyperbole and at least some name calling are just not right.

[BucEyedPea]

Far too reasonable a post. You will recieve two demerits for not being a flame thrower. Posts that lack hyperbole and at least some name calling are just not right.

racist

[VAChief]

The problem is both parties. Sorry but people in general are not happy with the direction this country is moving in— including under the Bush and even the previous Bush.

I certainly agree both sides have shared in our current dilemma, and I would say it even goes back further to our first entry into deficit spending.

I don't expect the fringe lunatics (the birth certificate obsessed on the right or the Bush is the debil and bane of all existence on the left) to change much, but lets just hope they stay the lunatic fringe so the real issues can get fixed.

[HonestChieffan]

racist


Nutjob

[jjjayb]

Not to mention the bailouts started with his approval under his watch.


And I think you'll find most of us didn't agree with the bailouts when Bush was in office either. If Bush was still in office I would still agree with the tea parties.

I work in the auto industry and I'm still fuming over the fact that the government gave GM bailout money only to turn around weeks later and suggested they file bankruptcy. WTF??!!!??? :cuss: They could've saved a lot of our money by just suggesting they file bankruptcy the first time around. And for the record, I worked for GM when the GM bailout happened. I was completely against it even then.