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Priest31kc
04-26-2009, 10:43 AM
I guess Pioli thinks we have enough at those positions.

WR - Bowe, Bradley, Engram, Darling/Webb/Copper

TE - Cottam and Tony Curtis?

OL - Albert, Waters (guess he will be staying), Niswanger, Goff, McIntosh?

Maybe he thinks Herb Taylor and Barry Richardson are good enough.

I dont know, does anyone think our offense might have gotten worse this offseason? Of course losing Tony G is monstrous and we havent replaced him w/ Boldin or anyone. We signed Goff, but thats it on the O line. Is anyone really comfortable with Niswanger at C and Big Mac at RT?

Deberg_1990
04-26-2009, 10:44 AM
I guess Pioli thinks we have enough at those positions.

WR - Bowe, Bradley, Engram, Darling/Webb/Copper

TE - Cottam and Tony Curtis?

OL - Albert, Waters (guess he will be staying), Niswanger, Goff, McIntosh?

Maybe he thinks Herb Taylor and Barry Richardson are good enough.

I dont know, does anyone think our offense might have gotten worse this offseason? Of course losing Tony G is monstrous and we havent replaced him w/ Boldin or anyone. We signed Goff, but thats it on the O line. Is anyone really comfortable with Niswanger at C and Big Mac at RT?


Yes

Mecca
04-26-2009, 10:45 AM
In case you didn't notice about 24 WR's got picked in the 3rd round.

KCUnited
04-26-2009, 10:45 AM
The B Rich era begins.

Priest31kc
04-26-2009, 10:46 AM
In case you didn't notice about 24 WR's got picked in the 3rd round.

ok.....then why didnt we take one in round 3?? Thats what Im saying, I guess he thinks were fine at receiver.

Ultra Peanut
04-26-2009, 10:47 AM
426 draft every position of need with each individual pick every day

Captain Obvious
04-26-2009, 10:47 AM
ok.....then why didnt we take one in round 3?? Thats what Im saying, I guess he thinks were fine at receiver.

Because the guy we picked was higher on the board.

Woodrow Call
04-26-2009, 10:48 AM
I think they're pretty much set at WR maybe they sign a Marty Booker type after the draft.

kcpasco
04-26-2009, 10:49 AM
We have so many holes on this team, people will bitch about every pick.

Deberg_1990
04-26-2009, 10:50 AM
We have so many holes on this team, people will bitch about every pick.

That

Coogs
04-26-2009, 10:53 AM
You know, I am fine with this draft so far. Look at the AFC West. Both Denver and Oakland have question marks bigtime on offense right now... especially at the QB position. Our secondary could be spectaular pretty quick, and if the front guys can stop the run and force the pass, advantage Chiefs.

And LT is not what he used to be either, so I can see the Chargers starting to slide back to the pack a bit.

I think we are making some reasonable strides to be a contender for the AFC West.

kstater
04-26-2009, 10:53 AM
Pioli is obviously working a trade involving Thigpen for Boldin straight up.

ILChief
04-26-2009, 10:53 AM
it's funny that people screamed BPA over need until they take the BPA and it doesn't fill a perceived need.

TRR
04-26-2009, 10:55 AM
It's really a tough draft to understand. It looks like KC got their guy at #3 in Tyson Jackson, but it would have been interesting to see how far he would have fell if KC didn't fall in love with him. They didn't get back in the 2nd round like I thought they would, and picked another DE in the 3rd. Obviously they targeted the D Line as a need area....however it's frustrating for us as Chiefs fans because all we've done in the past couple of seasons is possibly waste picks to fix the D Line with selections like Ryan Sims, Junior Siavii, Turk McBride, Tank Tyler, Glenn Dorsey, Tamba Hali, etc. It's amazing to me that you have Dorsey, Tyler, McBride, and Hali, and we still have to spend the first 2 picks on D Lineman. Either the above players aren't very good/can't be developed, or our new regime doesn't have a good feel for the current players we have.

Either way, our offense has taken a step backwards with the loss of Gonzalez. He is nearly irreplaceable, and would have helped a young QB like Matt Cassel. Now they are relying on Bowe to step up, Bradley to stay healthy, Engram to squeeze out another year or two before he dies, and Darling and Webb to bring anything to the table.

It will be interesting...

KCUnited
04-26-2009, 10:57 AM
We're bringing defense back, defense back...

ILChief
04-26-2009, 10:59 AM
I will bet next years draft will be almost entirely offense, with a WR in round one

Micjones
04-26-2009, 10:59 AM
We're definitely not fine there.

Is Shipley still on the board?

We still need help at WR as well.

mlyonsd
04-26-2009, 11:00 AM
Pioli was a defensive lineman in college. Pretty good one too. I think he understands both OL and DL positions.

Priest31kc
04-26-2009, 11:00 AM
You know, Pioli had some starters on the OL from the 5th round and lower in New England. The more I think about it, maybe he really does think Taylor and Richardson can be starters, and maybe he will pick up an OL in the 5th or 6th round today.

shammus
04-26-2009, 11:01 AM
I guess we got good value with Washington, but if there was one area on the team that we were already solid at with young talent, CB was it. I'm shocked we didn't address the Oline at all with our 3rd or 4th picks. I was kinda hoping we would use both on the oline at least.

Well our fifth round pick is still a borderline fourth pick so maybe we'll use that to grab a Duke Robinson (why has he slipped this far) or AQ Shipley at Center or Jamon Meredith for OT (another guy who's slipping). At least two of those guys would be great value if they last to our fifth pick and definite positions of need.

With so many needs, I don't see why a CB was our pick in Round 4. BPA is nice, but you have to take team needs into account too and we have soooo many.

Just Passin' By
04-26-2009, 11:01 AM
I pointed this out in another thread, but it fits here:

Kazcur - 3rd round
Neal - undrafted FA
Koppen - 5th round
Light - left tackle, 2nd round (Albert's there already)
O'Callaghan - 5th round
Stevenson - 5th round
Hilliard - 6th round
Elgin - 7th round


and the outlier....

Mankins, who was a guard taken in round 1

whoman69
04-26-2009, 11:04 AM
This team just had too many holes to fill. It looks like most of the holes on the defense are going to be filled, at least for the short term. If I had to leave one side of the ball strong and the other needing some help, I'd fill out the defense first. The Chiefs are not going to be world beaters by any means, but this team has a lot more talent than what we had last year.

tonyetony
04-26-2009, 11:04 AM
We won't see Tight end play like we're used to seeing. I suppose Sackintosh could be servicable if we commit Cottam to cover his outside more than we did in the past. I really wanted a RT in the 4th but I also realize that rome wasn't built in a day.

keg in kc
04-26-2009, 11:06 AM
It's what they did in New England, focus on the defensive line first...

Might not be sexy or exciting, but it's a good approach. Wish some of those past d-line picks had worked-out, or maybe we could be drafting something else this year. Either way, it's hard to hold them accountable for busted draft picks from long-gone coaching/front office regimes.

I'm kind of wishing they had traded Dorsey now, though. Not because I don't think he can be good, but because I have a hard time seeing how he's going to fit, and because we can only play so many guys at a time.

In the end, while it's a surprise to see so much focus on defense with an offensive head coach, it's not a terrible idea to fix as much as you can on that side of the ball and then dedicate future offseason work to bolstering the offense. And I think we've known all along the focus here really is on 2010, with the upgraded stadium opening...

RJ
04-26-2009, 11:08 AM
This team was 2-14. What don't we need?

htismaqe
04-26-2009, 11:30 AM
We won't see Tight end play like we're used to seeing. I suppose Sackintosh could be servicable if we commit Cottam to cover his outside more than we did in the past. I really wanted a RT in the 4th but I also realize that rome wasn't built in a day.

We could very well have a starting RT on the roster already. Or we might draft one in the 5th or 6th.

htismaqe
04-26-2009, 11:32 AM
I guess we got good value with Washington, but if there was one area on the team that we were already solid at with young talent, CB was it. I'm shocked we didn't address the Oline at all with our 3rd or 4th picks. I was kinda hoping we would use both on the oline at least.

Well our fifth round pick is still a borderline fourth pick so maybe we'll use that to grab a Duke Robinson (why has he slipped this far) or AQ Shipley at Center or Jamon Meredith for OT (another guy who's slipping). At least two of those guys would be great value if they last to our fifth pick and definite positions of need.

With so many needs, I don't see why a CB was our pick in Round 4. BPA is nice, but you have to take team needs into account too and we have soooo many.

We're far from set at CB. The guys we have are good football players, but outside of Flowers, their limited athletically. Washington could easily be a #1 CB in this league, moving Flowers to #2 and we'd be SET at that point.

buddha
04-26-2009, 11:34 AM
We have so many holes on this team, people will bitch about every pick.

+1

God...I'm tired of the f'ing bitching over every pick. It's not like the Chiefs are set at DL, or CB or any other position.

tonyetony
04-26-2009, 11:37 AM
We could very well have a starting RT on the roster already. Or we might draft one in the 5th or 6th.

I'm hoping your right. I have the best available up on draft tracker and OT is in a holding pattern right now. There will be plenty of 3-4 round projections available in the 5th. Merideth might not make it but Parrish, Tupou, Fulton and Boone should be there.

splatbass
04-26-2009, 12:24 PM
In the end, while it's a surprise to see so much focus on defense with an offensive head coach, it's not a terrible idea to fix as much as you can on that side of the ball and then dedicate future offseason work to bolstering the offense.

I think it is refreshing to have a head coach that was an offensive coordinator, but actually understands that he is head coach of the whole team and not just the offense. I don't think we will have an unbalanced team like we did with Vermiel.

htismaqe
04-26-2009, 12:27 PM
And we have a RT prospect now. Good pick.

ChiTown
04-26-2009, 12:28 PM
And we have a RT prospect now. Good pick.

I think the kid was FA material. I just don't get that pick at all.

htismaqe
04-26-2009, 12:36 PM
I think the kid was FA material. I just don't get that pick at all.

He's a RT prospect and it's the 5th round. He's a body with a potential to play, just like every other late-round pick.

Everybody here wanted Richardson last year and we got him - and he can't get on the field.

It's a good pick.

BigChiefFan
04-26-2009, 12:38 PM
I think it is refreshing to have a head coach that was an offensive coordinator, but actually understands that he is head coach of the whole team and not just the offense. I don't think we will have an unbalanced team like we did with Vermiel.Agreed, big time.

chiefsfan1963
04-26-2009, 12:42 PM
It's really a tough draft to understand. It looks like KC got their guy at #3 in Tyson Jackson, but it would have been interesting to see how far he would have fell if KC didn't fall in love with him. They didn't get back in the 2nd round like I thought they would, and picked another DE in the 3rd. Obviously they targeted the D Line as a need area....however it's frustrating for us as Chiefs fans because all we've done in the past couple of seasons is possibly waste picks to fix the D Line with selections like Ryan Sims, Junior Siavii, Turk McBride, Tank Tyler, Glenn Dorsey, Tamba Hali, etc. It's amazing to me that you have Dorsey, Tyler, McBride, and Hali, and we still have to spend the first 2 picks on D Lineman. Either the above players aren't very good/can't be developed, or our new regime doesn't have a good feel for the current players we have.

Either way, our offense has taken a step backwards with the loss of Gonzalez. He is nearly irreplaceable, and would have helped a young QB like Matt Cassel. Now they are relying on Bowe to step up, Bradley to stay healthy, Engram to squeeze out another year or two before he dies, and Darling and Webb to bring anything to the table.

It will be interesting...

Remember it Pioli can't do everything he wants in one draft. He is already set up nicely for next year's draft with 3 picks in the first day. Offense will be the focus next year. He will have to develop the players we have on offense and make some determination who are keepers. This is going to take 2 to 3 seasons to totally right this ship.

SenselessChiefsFan
04-26-2009, 01:40 PM
I guess Pioli thinks we have enough at those positions.

WR - Bowe, Bradley, Engram, Darling/Webb/Copper

TE - Cottam and Tony Curtis?

OL - Albert, Waters (guess he will be staying), Niswanger, Goff, McIntosh?

Maybe he thinks Herb Taylor and Barry Richardson are good enough.

I dont know, does anyone think our offense might have gotten worse this offseason? Of course losing Tony G is monstrous and we havent replaced him w/ Boldin or anyone. We signed Goff, but thats it on the O line. Is anyone really comfortable with Niswanger at C and Big Mac at RT?


I think a better QB makes up for a HOF TE. I am not saying this is going to be a 'record setting' offense, but the Chiefs have some pieces to work with.

The defense was attrocious and I am fine with what they have done. I like both of the DE's that they have taken.

With Dorsey, they can all play all three line position and it gives the Chiefs a ton of flexibility.

You can only do so much with one draft.

shaneo69
04-26-2009, 02:55 PM
We're far from set at CB. The guys we have are good football players, but outside of Flowers, their limited athletically. Washington could easily be a #1 CB in this league, moving Flowers to #2 and we'd be SET at that point.

Washington couldn't even start at Ohio St., yet he's gonna be a #1 CB in the N.F.L.

LOL

TRR
04-26-2009, 03:02 PM
Remember it Pioli can't do everything he wants in one draft. He is already set up nicely for next year's draft with 3 picks in the first day. Offense will be the focus next year. He will have to develop the players we have on offense and make some determination who are keepers. This is going to take 2 to 3 seasons to totally right this ship.

I agree, but we have been hearing that for quite some time. It's time for players like Hali, McBride, Tyler, etc. to put up or shut up. I am of the opinion that Haley will lose all control of this ship if it takes him 3 years to right it. He has this year as a throw away, but 2010 is the year he needs to make some strides. 2011 is the year the Chiefs should be challenging. If were are an 7-9 / 8-8 team in 2011, Haley will be feeling the heat.

shaneo69
04-26-2009, 03:07 PM
I am of the opinion that Haley will lose all control of this ship if it takes him 3 years to right it. He has this year as a throw away, but 2010 is the year he needs to make some strides. 2011 is the year the Chiefs should be challenging. If were are an 7-9 / 8-8 team in 2011, Haley will be feeling the heat.

F*ck this three years crap. Atlanta and Miami. You turn it around asap or you're on the hot seat. He's got his veteran QB. No excuses.

keg in kc
04-26-2009, 03:08 PM
They need to be competitive in 2010. Last year was a building block draft, they acquired their franchise QB this year and have given a lot of attention to the defense. Next offseason it'll be about filling in the remaining holes. This shouldn't be a 3-year turnaround. They should be above .500 the first year the "new" stadium is open.

htismaqe
04-26-2009, 03:22 PM
Washington couldn't even start at Ohio St., yet he's gonna be a #1 CB in the N.F.L.

LOL

Washington is extremely raw but has the size and athleticism to be a #1 CB in the NFL.

Mecca said it too, douchebag.

htismaqe
04-26-2009, 03:23 PM
F*ck this three years crap. Atlanta and Miami. You turn it around asap or you're on the hot seat. He's got his veteran QB. No excuses.

ROFL

Why don't we just bring Carl back?

DenverChief
04-26-2009, 04:22 PM
We're far from set at CB. The guys we have are good football players, but outside of Flowers, their limited athletically. Washington could easily be a #1 CB in this league, moving Flowers to #2 and we'd be SET at that point.


Did something happen to Carr? Flowers and Carr were great 1-2 combo in the secondary last year

kstater
04-26-2009, 04:24 PM
F*ck this three years crap. Atlanta and Miami. You turn it around asap or you're on the hot seat. He's got his veteran QB. No excuses.

Atlanta and Miami had quite a bit more talent coming into last year.

tonyetony
04-26-2009, 04:34 PM
Did something happen to Carr? Flowers and Carr were great 1-2 combo in the secondary last year

They were the only bright spot on last years Defense. Both those kids were forced to cover for way to long while our front 7 were serving the opposing QBs tea and crumpets. Any pressure on the QB and these kids look way better next year.