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ChiefRon
04-26-2009, 07:43 PM
Chiefs
Pick Player Pos Ht Wt College
Round 1, Pick 3 (3) Tyson Jackson DE 6'4" 295 LSU
Pick Analysis:The Chiefs pick up the best 3-4 defensive end on the board with their selection of Jackson. Though the pick was a bit of a surprise, Jackson gives the team a stout player on the edge capable of occupying multiple blockers at the point of attack.
Round 3, Pick 3 (67) Alex Magee DT 6'3" 298 Purdue
Pick Analysis:The former Boilermaker gives the Chiefs a versatile defender capable of playing inside or outside along the line. Magee has some pass-rushing ability and should contribute as a rotational player for the Chiefs as a rookie.
Round 4, Pick 2 (102) Donald Washington CB 6'0" 197 Ohio State
Pick Analysis:Washington is a tall corner but lacks exceptional speed. He came out a year early, plays well in coverage and had an outstanding three-cone time. He may have been better served to stay in school because he's unpolished in certain areas. He may struggle early until he learns the pro game.
Round 5, Pick 3 (139) Colin Brown OL 6'7" 335 Missouri
Pick Analysis:The Chiefs add a promising young tackle to their rotation with the selection of Brown. The former Tiger will provide quality depth for the team as a potential swing-tackle prospect.
Round 6, Pick 2 (175) Quinten Lawrence WR 6'0" 184 McNeese State
Pick Analysis:Lawrence is a speedy receiver who was very productive at McNeese State. He will provide the Chiefs with a vertical threat who can possibly develop into a contributor.
Round 7, Pick 3 (212) Javarris Williams RB 5'10" 223 Tennessee State
Pick Analysis:Williams is a two-year starter who has been productive at the smaller college level. He translates into more of a fullback at the NFL level and he could fill that role with the Chiefs.
Round 7, Pick 28 (237) (From Panthers through Dolphins) Jake O'Connell TE 6'4" 255 Miami (OHIO)
Pick Analysis:O'Connell has good speed and good catching ability. He's athletic and did very well in all the workouts and at his pro day. He'll help fill in for the Chiefs after the loss of Tony Gonzalez.
Round 7, Pick 47 (256) (Compensatory selection) Ryan Succop K 6'2" 218 South Carolina
Pick Analysis:Succop can handle both punting and kicking duties. He played extremely well at times for the Gamecocks. He could solve what has been a problem area for Kansas City in recent years in the kicking game.

Broncos
Pick Player Pos Ht Wt College
Round 1, Pick 12 (12) Knowshon Moreno RB 5'11" 217 Georgia
Pick Analysis:The Broncos eschew their defensive woes to pick the electrifying runner from Georgia. Moreno is a versatile back with outstanding quickness and elusiveness, and he gives the Broncos another weapon in the passing game with his exceptional hands and underrated route-running. With Josh McDaniels' preference for spread formations, Moreno could emerge as a playmaker in his first season.
Round 1, Pick 18 (18) (From Bears) Robert Ayers LB 6'3" 272 Tennessee
Pick Analysis:The former Vol is an athletic edge player with outstanding versatility. As a potential defensive end/outside linebacker, he's capable of stacking the run while also providing some pass-rushing skill off the edge. Though he has been pegged as a "one-year wonder," Ayers was playing the best football of his career at the end of his senior season, and he may continue his ascent as a rookie.
Round 2, Pick 5 (37) (From Seahawks) Alphonso Smith CB 5'9" 193 Wake Forest
Pick Analysis:The ultra-productive ballhawk gives the Broncos another cover corner with big-play ability. Though Smith lacks ideal size and speed, he has an outstanding feel for the game and is an ideal nickel corner in the Broncos' defense.
Round 2, Pick 16 (48) Darcel McBath CB 6'0" 198 Texas Tech
Pick Analysis:The former corner-turned-safety has outstanding range and instincts. Though he isn't polished in coverage, he gives the Broncos a safety capable of playing as their deep middle player. Along with their other additions on the day, the Broncos have added some youth and athleticism.
Round 2, Pick 32 (64) (From Steelers) Richard Quinn TE 6'4" 264 North Carolina
Pick Analysis:The Broncos bypass some intriguing tight end prospects to pick up Quinn. While he's regarded as one of the best in-line blockers at the position, Quinn tallied only 12 receptions in his career. With Daniel Graham and Tony Scheffler on the roster, Quinn will spend his initial season serving as an extra tight end in the Broncos' jumbo sets.
Round 4, Pick 14 (114) David Bruton FS 6'2" 219 Notre Dame
Pick Analysis:Bruton has great measurables but he is one of the biggest corners in this year's draft. Despite his impressive drill times, he does not appear as fluid on tape. To succeed in this league, he'll probably have to play in the box. There are also questions about his ball skills. He is the second defensive back the Broncos have selected as they try to improve what was a woeful secondary.
Round 4, Pick 32 (132) (From Steelers) Seth Olsen OG 6'5" 306 Iowa
Pick Analysis:When you draft an Iowa lineman, you know he's technically sound and has been well-coached. Olsen has great strength and can step in and play guard right away. He's similar to Marshal Yanda, who was drafted by Baltimore a couple years ago. He's got strong hands.
Round 5, Pick 5 (141) (From Browns through Eagles through Patriots and Ravens) Kenny McKinley WR 6'0" 189 South Carolina
Pick Analysis:The former Gamecock is a productive slot receiver with outstanding quickness. McKinley is a polished route-runner with good hands, and he'll give the Broncos another athletic receiver to add to their spread formations.
Round 6, Pick 1 (174) (From Lions) Tom Brandstater QB 6'5" 220 Fresno State
Pick Analysis:Brandstater is a big, strong quarterback. He's a good football player who was productive in college at Fresno State. He's got good speed and athleticism for his size and comes from a good college system. He gives Josh McDaniels a young signal-caller to develop over the years, like he did with Matt Cassel.
Round 7, Pick 16 (225) Blake Schlueter C 6'2" 290 TCU
Pick Analysis:Schlueter is a football player, plain and simple. He's very mature and has unbelievable quickness and agility as an offensive lineman. The question for him is whether or not he can keep his weight up. He had one of the best workouts at TCU of anyone in this year's draft.

Chargers
Pick Player Pos Ht Wt College
Round 1, Pick 16 (16) Larry English DE 6'2" 274 Northern Illinois
Pick Analysis:After watching their sack output drop significantly with Shawne Merriman injured, the Chargers add another pass rusher with English. The hard worker gives Ron Rivera a possible replacement for Merriman in the event of a rehab setback, and he gives the team three capable rushers in its 3-4 (Shaun Phillips, Merriman and English). With pass rushers at a premium, the Chargers made a wise choice.
Round 3, Pick 14 (78) Louis Vasquez OG 6'5" 333 Texas Tech
Pick Analysis:The Chargers find a potential replacement for Mike Goff with the selection of Vasquez. The former Red Raider lacks great athleticism, but he's a tough, physical blocker with the strength to move defenders off the ball.
Round 4, Pick 13 (113) Vaughn Martin DT 6'3" 331 Western Ontario (Canada)
Pick Analysis:Martin grew up in Canada and attended college north of the border. Nobody really knows the quality of his competition in college, but he had a great workout at Michigan's pro day. It's ironic that he wound up getting drafted before any Michigan player. He ran a 4.96 40 at 330 pounds and had 44 bench press reps. He gives the Chargers a 5-technique DE and has the bulk to be a nose tackle.
Round 4, Pick 33 (133) (Compensatory selection) Tyronne Green OG 6'2" 309 Auburn
Pick Analysis:Green is a tough guy who was a two-year starter in college. He's a former defensive tackle. He will need to push himself a little harder in the pros and ramp up his work ethic. He'll provide guard depth for the Chargers.
Round 4, Pick 34 (134) (Compensatory selection) Gartrell Johnson RB 5'10" 219 Colorado State
Pick Analysis:Johnson is a strong inside runner. He's a junior-college transfer who came to Colorado State as a tough runner inside the tackles. He had an outstanding bowl game against New Mexico. He's a short-yardage, goal-line rusher who will complement Darren Sproles and LaDainian Tomlinson in San Diego.
Round 5, Pick 12 (148) Brandon Hughes CB 5'10" 182 Oregon State
Pick Analysis:The Chargers add a hard-nosed corner with Hughes. The former Beaver is an aggressive corner with the skills to excel as a nickel corner for the team.
Round 6, Pick 16 (189) Kevin Ellison S 6'1" 227 Southern Cal
Pick Analysis:Ellison is a good, solid player who didn't run fast, and that hurt him. But he's still a really smart and instinctive player. Sometimes intelligent players who lack speed are able to read things better, and Ellison is one of those types of players. He works hard and loves the weight room and the film room.
Round 7, Pick 15 (224) Demetrius Byrd WR 6'0" 199 LSU
Pick Analysis:Byrd slid in the draft after being involved in an automobile accident just a week ago. He probably would've been drafted three rounds ago if he was healthy. He could be a developmental project for the future after he recovers from his injuries.

Raiders
Pick Player Pos Ht Wt College
Round 1, Pick 7 (7) Darrius Heyward-Bey WR 6'2" 210 Maryland
Pick Analysis:In a bit of a head-scratcher, the Raiders bypass Michael Crabtree and Jeremy Maclin to select Heyward-Bey. Although the former Maryland speedster recorded the best 40 time (4.30) at the combine, he is raw and unrefined as a receiver. He may eventually develop into a big-time weapon in the Raiders' offense, but he is a bit of a reach as a potential No. 1 receiver.
Round 2, Pick 15 (47) (From Chargers through Patriots) Mike Mitchell SS 6'0" 220 Ohio
Pick Analysis:The Raiders continue to place a premium on speed and athleticism over production. Although Mitchell was regarded as a second day pick in most war rooms, the Raiders nab the workout warrior with their second-round choice.
Round 3, Pick 7 (71) Matt Shaughnessy DE 6'5" 266 Wisconsin
Pick Analysis:The Raiders add another developmental prospect to their defensive line. Shaughnessy has excellent size and strength, but he isn't an explosive player off the edge.
Round 4, Pick 24 (124) (From Patriots) Louis Murphy WR 6'2" 203 Florida
Pick Analysis:Murphy had 77 receptions and a sub 4.4 time in the 40. He's a smooth route runner and projects as a solid No. 3 wideout. He's another speed player for the Raiders. They have Darrius Heyward-Bey for pure straight-line speed and Murphy gives them a good intermediate option. They are giving JaMarcus Russell some weapons. Russell has a big, strong arm and will thrown downfield to these guys.
Round 4, Pick 26 (126) (From Dolphins) Slade Norris DE 6'2" 232 Oregon State
Pick Analysis:Norris is a speed linebacker. He can play in space with his speed and he is another special teams demon. The Raiders have really built up their team speed in this draft.
Round 6, Pick 26 (199) (From Patriots) Stryker Sulak DE 6'5" 251 Missouri
Pick Analysis:Sulak had a lot of sacks in college and has a lot of speed. He is a hybrid-type player who lacks the size to play with his hand down full-time. He is a value pick and in the Raiders' 3-4 scheme, he will probably play strong-side linebacker.
Round 6, Pick 29 (202) (from Panthers) Brandon Myers TE 6'4" 250 Iowa
Pick Analysis:Myers is more of a blocking tight end. He serves as an extra lineman more than as a pass catcher. Iowa does a great job of developing run-blocking tight ends. Myers should help the Raiders' running game.

from nfl.com/draft

Basileus777
04-26-2009, 07:43 PM
Denver loses by default because of that horrifically bad Alphonso Smith trade.

PhillyChiefFan
04-26-2009, 08:41 PM
Denver loses by default because of that horrifically bad Alphonso Smith trade.

did they really trade next year's number 1 for Smith?!?!

chop
04-26-2009, 08:53 PM
did they really trade next year's number 1 for Smith?!?!

yes

Mecca
04-26-2009, 08:54 PM
I'm not sure any of them are good...the Broncos and Raiders are abysmal however.

ChiefRon
04-26-2009, 08:56 PM
FWIW, http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9501382/Grading-every-team's-NFL-Draft

Denver
The Broncos filled some needs and found some parts, but the bottom line is that they are without quarterback Jay Cutler now, and they definitely didn't replace him. Georgia running back Knowshon Moreno was a no-brainer with the first choice, especially since San Diego coveted him. Tennessee defensive end Robert Ayers has the look of a Justin Tuck type; able to rush from an inside position or from the edge.

In the second round, new Broncos GM Brian Xanders went for secondary performers in Wake Forest CB Alphonso Smith, who has a chance to start, and Texas Tech safety Darcel McBath. South Carolina coach Steve Spurrier called Kenny McKinley the best receiver he's ever coached. McKinley started 33 consecutive games and finished with 207 receptions. He could be a steal. The Broncos are still talking about trading productive tight end Tony Scheffler, and that could be a mistake. Fresno State quarterback Tom Brandstater has an NFL arm and was a very interesting pick at No. 174. Grade: B

Kansas City
First-year Chiefs GM Scott Pioli didn't fool anyone with his choice of LSU defensive end Tyson Jackson, who figures to be a starter opposite former Tiger teammate Glenn Dorsey. Jackson also has the flexibility to slide inside when the Chiefs shift out of their 3-4 alignment.

Alex Magee of Purdue can also play inside and outside along the defensive line and supposedly can rush the passer. Magee was a value pick. Tennessee State running back Javarris Williams is 5-10, 223 pounds and scored a school-record 42 touchdowns over four seasons while rushing for 4,329 yards. Pioli nailed the Mr. Irrelevant pick, No. 256 and the final player in the draft, by choosing a kicker, Ryan Succop of South Carolina. Grade: B-

Oakland
Maybe all the experts are stupid, but the Raiders were ripped for their top three selections. NFL Network draft guru Mike Mayock had low-round grades on both Ohio safety Michael Mitchell and Wisconsin linebacker Matt Shaughnessy, who was slipping down most team's draft boards. Yes, the Raiders have a need at safety with the disappointing play of former No. 1 pick Michael Huff. Reportedly, the Bears wanted Mitchell in the second round and that's why they traded out of the round.

No. 1 pick Darrius Heyward-Bey may have been the fastest receiver in the draft, but he never had a 1,000-yard receiving season at Maryland and wasn't named to either the first or second all-ACC teams. Heyward-Bey was the first receiver taken by Davis since Tim Brown in 1988. The Raiders took another track-star receiver in Florida's Louis Murphy, who ran a 4.32 40-yard dash at the Combine. I think the only way owner Al Davis wins with the talking heads on television is by going out and either hiring Mayock or ESPN's Mel Kiper. Bottom line, the Raiders are 24-72 since losing to Tampa Bay in the 2003 Super Bowl, but that doesn't mean Al is going to change his ways. Grade: C-

San Diego
The selection of Northern Illinois pass rusher Larry English helps because of the loss of Igor Olshansky and with Shawne Merriman entering his final season contractually. It's difficult to argue with GM A.J. Smith, but a lot of teams ranked English as a second-round player. English, who started 47 games, had 31 1/2 career sacks and twice was named the best player in Mid-American Conference.

Colorado State running back Gartrell Johnson proved his worth with a 285-yard effort against Fresno State in the New Mexico Bowl game. Johnson led the Mountain West Conference with 113.5 yards per game. Grade: B-

OnTheWarpath58
04-26-2009, 08:57 PM
No different than how the season will play out.

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Broncos, Chiefs, Raiders.

ChiefRon
04-26-2009, 08:59 PM
I'm not sure any of them are good...the Broncos and Raiders are abysmal however.

I think the Chargers had a pretty solid draft, but I agree with Broncos & Raiders, I can't believe Denver went 50/50 offense/defense

Mecca
04-26-2009, 09:00 PM
That MSN grader is way to nice, I don't think any of them deserve B's except maybe the Chargers who had some nice value picks.

Chiefshrink
04-26-2009, 09:23 PM
Pioli & Smith chose to address "the trenches". Pioli used 3 out of his first 4 picks and Smith used all first 4 picks to address both O and D lines. Rookie GM (McKid) chose otherwise using only 1 out of his first 4 picks. Why, is beyond me since Denver's D and KC's D are in the same boat converting to the 3/4 with no pass or rush D at all. And of these 3 teams it was McKid who could have really accelerated and improved the D immediately but it seems McKid thinks the D is OK.

It is absolutely hilarious out here in Donkey land listening to all the local sports commentators and fans about to take the "pitchforks and torches" to McDaniels.

ChiefRon
04-26-2009, 09:27 PM
It is absolutely hilarious out here in Donkey land listening to all the local sports commentators and fans about to take the "pitchforks and torches" to McDaniels.

ROFL

Chiefshrink
04-26-2009, 09:34 PM
ROFL

Precisely!! McKid really has put himself out on the limb so soon with this organization with all of his off-season moves for sure. After this W/E's draft his honeymoon is over and although I would have guessed a "pass" for this first yr I am now wondering if he gets a pass at all now.

ChiefRon
04-26-2009, 09:35 PM
from yahoo sports

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=gradingthenfldraftfourat&prov=tsn&type=lgns

Denver Broncos: A-minus
They should not have traded Cutler, but this was not a bad job. Running back Knowshon Moreno can run it and catch it, a nice fit for Josh McDaniels' offense. The next three picks—defensive end Robert Ayers, cornerback Alphonso Smith and safety Darcel McBath—should help a defense that sorely needs it.

Kansas City Chiefs: B-minus
It does not matter whether defensive end Tyson Jackson deserved to be the No. 3-overall pick. They got the player they wanted, and he fits their system. Defensive tackle Alex Magee and cornerback Donald Washington will add depth. And don't forget they traded for quarterback Matt Cassel and linebacker Mike Vrabel before the draft.

Oakland Raiders: D-minus
Wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey best have a better NFL career than Crabtree. There is no logic in trading up to take safety Michael Mitchell. Bad teams cannot afford to make mistakes. The Raiders might have set themselves back.

San Diego Chargers: F
They took a chance grabbing outside linebacker Larry English at No. 16 when they could have taken Maualuga or Matthews. GM A.J. Smith has enjoyed great drafts. On paper, this does not look like one.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-26-2009, 09:35 PM
Pioli & Smith chose to address "the trenches". Pioli used 3 out of his first 4 picks and Smith used all first 4 picks to address both O and D lines. Rookie GM (McKid) chose otherwise using only 1 out of his first 4 picks. Why, is beyond me since Denver's D and KC's D are in the same boat converting to the 3/4 with no pass or rush D at all. And of these 3 teams it was McKid who could have really accelerated and improved the D immediately but it seems McKid thinks the D is OK.

It is absolutely hilarious out here in Donkey land listening to all the local sports commentators and fans about to take the "pitchforks and torches" to McDaniels.

Pay up, bitch.

ChiefRon
04-26-2009, 09:40 PM
Hmm, I just realized the Chargers took English over Matthews & Mauluaga? Um, ok, I now have to lower my view of their draft.

See how that works?

Direckshun
04-26-2009, 09:51 PM
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Chiefshrink
04-26-2009, 09:53 PM
Pay up, bitch.

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Mecca
04-26-2009, 09:53 PM
Hmm, I just realized the Chargers took English over Matthews & Mauluaga? Um, ok, I now have to lower my view of their draft.

See how that works?

They like the bigger OLB's...English is more like Merriman than Matthews is and they wanted a rusher because Merrimans injury killed their defense.

wild1
04-26-2009, 09:56 PM
For the Broncos, Moreno is a known quantity, whether or not they gave too much in draft capital for him. He will be fine. The rest of it seems boom-or-bust

Chargers seem to have had a high quality draft.

Chiefshrink
04-26-2009, 10:01 PM
Pay up, bitch.

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DeezNutz
04-26-2009, 10:02 PM
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Buck
04-26-2009, 10:03 PM
The Chargers draft could potentially be great, or very bad.

My immediate grade would be a B.

KChiefs1
04-26-2009, 10:03 PM
did they really trade next year's number 1 for Smith?!?!

yeah but that is only like a 2nd rounder this year so it wasn't that bad...

KCDC
04-26-2009, 10:06 PM
Except that Denver will be so bad next year that their first rounder could be a top 10.

Cormac
04-26-2009, 10:11 PM
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Chiefshrink
04-26-2009, 10:19 PM
Don't forget to put 'Hamas' in little quotes. I guess his real name isn't Hamas.
Who knew?

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Chiefshrink
04-26-2009, 10:21 PM
The Chargers draft could potentially be great, or very bad.

My immediate grade would be a B.

Agreed!:thumb:

DeezNutz
04-26-2009, 10:21 PM
Thx for the help! I got "Obama boy" his $$$:thumb:

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BryanBusby
04-26-2009, 10:24 PM
This is the thing that makes me laugh when I look at Denvers draft. McDaniels says he wants to bring in the 3-4 D, gets a 3-4 coordinator and obviously knows his line was already god awful enough in the 4-3...and will be even worse. To fix that, they ignore the line completely.

If they run the 4-3, they are going to be gashed. If they run the 3-4, running backs are going to be lining up to run wild on them. McDaniels ignored his biggest need and grabbed picks that would make ESPN happy.

He's going to be counting on neckbeard to score 30+ points a game each week and will be kicking themselves hard next year for dealing that first rounder.

TL;DR: McDaniels takes a good draft situation and Vermeils it.

kcchiefsus
04-26-2009, 10:25 PM
I felt, and the Chiefs obviously agreed, that the talent on our defensive line before this draft was pretty bad. We seem to have fixed that to a certain degree.

But I think Denver's defensive line talent was even worse and they didn't do jack shit to fix that outside of Robert Ayers who i'm not that high on to begin with. Denver is going to the 3-4 as well and I simply do not see the players on their roster to run a very good three man front.

Rudy lost the toss
04-26-2009, 10:28 PM
Richard Quinn is my favorite pick

DeezNutz
04-26-2009, 10:31 PM
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SoCalBronco
04-26-2009, 10:34 PM
It is absolutely hilarious out here in Donkey land listening to all the local sports commentators and fans about to take the "pitchforks and torches" to McDaniels.

Good. He's a ****ing disaster and a ****ing idiot. He's a smug POS who doesn't know anything and made errors of biblical proportions in our draft. He displayed an amazing disregard for the value of draft picks. The fact that he did not draft a single 3-4 DL (Ayers is a SOLB in the 3-4, IMO) means he is digging his own grave. We are going to get destroyed vs. the run with the front three that is there now. He's digging his own grave with this front three. They can't demand a double team. Let him size up his own casket, I'll even buy him the measuring tape.

beach tribe
04-26-2009, 10:36 PM
I'm not sure any of them are good...the Broncos and Raiders are abysmal however.

Agreed. I haven't been around all day, but you've had some good takes from what I've seen. This draft has been off from what the people around here, and from what the pundits think, but you've given it a fair shake IMO. Nobody really knows how it will turn out. I appreciate you not over-reacting to it. A lot of people look to your opinion to either bash, or worship. I expected you to make shit of it, but like I said you've looked at it pretty reasonably. I hope it turns out good, but there's really no way to tell at this point.

orange
04-26-2009, 10:39 PM
Good. He's a ****ing disaster and a ****ing idiot. He's a smug POS who doesn't know anything and made errors of biblical proportions in our draft. He displayed an amazing disregard for the value of draft picks. The fact that he did not draft a single 3-4 DL (Ayers is a SOLB in the 3-4, IMO) means he is digging his own grave. We are going to get destroyed vs. the run with the front three that is there now. He's digging his own grave with this front three. They can't demand a double team. Let him size up his own casket, I'll even buy him the measuring tape.

I guess you're saying the previous coach left him shit on defense. That IS what you're saying, isn't it?

As for whether McDaniels should take Mike Nolan's advice on defensive players to draft or not draft, or whether he should take the advice of fans - well, I'm going to have to go with Nolan.

SoCalBronco
04-26-2009, 11:05 PM
I guess you're saying the previous coach left him shit on defense. That IS what you're saying, isn't it?

As for whether McDaniels should take Mike Nolan's advice on defensive players to draft or not draft, or whether he should take the advice of fans - well, I'm going to have to go with Nolan.

Keep sucking them off and see how much good that does for you. Keep drinking the Kool-Aid. If you think we can go into the season with a DL of Thomas, Powell/Fields and Peterson as your 3-4 DL and be successful, then you have a rude awakening coming to you. They are setting up our LBs for failure. No one on the line commands a double team which is what is needed on the line. These guys are going to get thrown back into the LBs laps on every play. If you thought we couldn't stop the run last year you haven't seen anything yet.

It takes a special talent to go into a draft with a shitload of picks and then proceed to get raped. You can thank our fearless leader, McHoodlum, for that. But like I said, let him dig his own grave. I am certainly not going to stand in his way. Start digging, Josh.

BryanBusby
04-26-2009, 11:57 PM
Keep sucking them off and see how much good that does for you. Keep drinking the Kool-Aid. If you think we can go into the season with a DL of Thomas, Powell/Fields and Peterson as your 3-4 DL and be successful, then you have a rude awakening coming to you. They are setting up our LBs for failure. No one on the line commands a double team which is what is needed on the line. These guys are going to get thrown back into the LBs laps on every play. If you thought we couldn't stop the run last year you haven't seen anything yet.

It takes a special talent to go into a draft with a shitload of picks and then proceed to get raped. You can thank our fearless leader, McHoodlum, for that. But like I said, let him dig his own grave. I am certainly not going to stand in his way. Start digging, Josh.

If Denver was smart, they'd at least full-time the 4-3 another year. Oh wait, this is the team that traded Cutler... LT is going to break the single game rushing record against that D if they do the switch anyways.

Woodrow Call
04-27-2009, 12:00 AM
Walterfootball chimes in....

San Diego B
Kansas City D
Denver D
Oakland FAIL

http://walterfootball.com/offseason2009kc.php

Mecca
04-27-2009, 12:04 AM
Walterfootball chimes in....

San Diego B
Kansas City D
Denver D
Oakland FAIL

http://walterfootball.com/offseason2009kc.php

Pretty much agree with that.

Woodrow Call
04-27-2009, 12:07 AM
They gave the Quinn pick a Z- LMAO

http://walterfootball.com/offseason2009den.php

orange
04-27-2009, 12:19 AM
2008 Miami Dolphins Analysis: I received tons of hate mail from Dolphins fans when I predicted their team to finish with a 2-14 record last year. One e-mailer called 2-14 a "pipe dream." Apparently, he was correct; Miami was lucky to get that one victory. If Matt Stover hits a 44-yard field goal, the Dolphins would have been the first 0-16 team in NFL history.

Unfortunately, the team isn't out of the woods yet. A zero-win campaign is yet again a strong possibility because Miami simply did not improve itself this offseason, despite the barrage of moves it made. In a situation like this, you really have to feel sorry for the fans. I don't get how "experts" who are paid six and seven figures can screw up this badly.

Projection: 2-14 (4th in AFC East)

http://walterfootball.com/offseason2008mia.php


2008 Atlanta Falcons Analysis: Since the division was created in 2002, every team that finished with the worst record of the four has claimed the NFC South the following year. That trend will come to an end in 2008.

Atlanta fans don't have much to look forward to in 2008, but the good news is that the past is behind them. There isn't much more to analyze. The Falcons stink, but they're done free falling. They can only get better from this point on.

Projection: 2-14 (4th in NFC South)

http://walterfootball.com/offseason2008atl.php



2008 Baltimore Ravens Analysis: Let me state the obvious. The Ravens have a ton of work to do. Even if they develop Joe Flacco quickly, find a legitimate No. 2 receiver and discover that Jared Gaither can be their franchise left tackle, they still need to get younger on defense.

Unless Flacco busts, Baltimore should be back to being a playoff contender in two or three seasons. This year, unfortunately, the team will once again find itself in the AFC North cellar. If the Ravens aren't drafting eighth or higher in the 2009 NFL Draft, I'll be extremely shocked.

Projection: 3-13 (4th in AFC North)

http://walterfootball.com/offseason2008bal.php


I'm SO SCARED that walterfootball.com doesn't like the Broncos' moves.

Jethopper
04-27-2009, 12:20 AM
That MSN grader is way to nice, I don't think any of them deserve B's except maybe the Chargers who had some nice value picks.

Omfg, I agree with you for once.

MahiMike
04-27-2009, 08:10 AM
Watch out for Knowshon! Best pick of all AFC West teams.

Buehler445
04-27-2009, 09:02 AM
I liked the Chargers pick of the RB Johnson. I watched him a bit at CSU and it is hard to tell how fast the guy is because of the talent they played against, but that bastard is BIG and runs HARD. He lowers the boom every play (I saw) and really fights through tackles. I think he could be better at being Larry Johnson than Larry Johnson ever was.
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gcbroncos
04-27-2009, 09:05 AM
if you want to say Denver overpaid for their picks, fair enough, and i am inclined to agree...

but anyone that actually has knowledge of the NFL draft pool cannot deny that Denver added a lot of good football players...and that's never a bad thing...

Knowshon Moreno is almost unaminously considered the best back in the draft...

Robert Ayers can play the run and the pass standing up or down on the line...

Alphonso Smith is the best playmaking corner in the draft...but we clearly overpaid for him...

i could go on but we added 10 players...

Both Todd McShay and Mike Mayock both say that Denver added a tremendous amount of talent to their team...i agree, but we did pay a high price for them...

Buck
04-27-2009, 09:11 AM
if you want to say Denver overpaid for their picks, fair enough, and i am inclined to agree...

but anyone that actually has knowledge of the NFL draft pool cannot deny that Denver added a lot of good football players...and that's never a bad thing...

Knowshon Moreno is almost unaminously considered the best back in the draft...

Robert Ayers can play the run and the pass standing up or down on the line...

Alphonso Smith is the best playmaking corner in the draft...but we clearly overpaid for him...

i could go on but we added 10 players...

Both Todd McShay and Mike Mayock both say that Denver added a tremendous amount of talent to their team...i agree, but we did pay a high price for them...

I don't know why, but Robert Ayers just smells of Bust to me.

I guess we'll have to see. You guys might have wanted to keep both your first round picks for next year so you could trade up and take Bradford though, now I doubt you will be able to.

King_Chief_Fan
04-27-2009, 09:15 AM
if you want to say Denver overpaid for their picks, fair enough, and i am inclined to agree...

but anyone that actually has knowledge of the NFL draft pool cannot deny that Denver added a lot of good football players...and that's never a bad thing...

Knowshon Moreno is almost unaminously considered the best back in the draft...

Robert Ayers can play the run and the pass standing up or down on the line...

Alphonso Smith is the best playmaking corner in the draft...but we clearly overpaid for him...

i could go on but we added 10 players...

Both Todd McShay and Mike Mayock both say that Denver added a tremendous amount of talent to their team...i agree, but we did pay a high price for them...

I don't think there is really anything to argue. Donks finally had a good draft. The loss of Shanahan wound should be healing nicely.

Sure-Oz
04-27-2009, 09:16 AM
Darius heyward-bay looked like he was about to cry when it showed him being picked by the raiders he has no chance

Von Dumbass
04-27-2009, 09:17 AM
I'm not sure any of them are good...the Broncos and Raiders are abysmal however.

Mike Mayock had Ayers and Moreno as the best players at their position. They could be the best offensive and defensive players to come out of this draft.

Mayock also said that Alphonso Smith would have been a top 10 pick if he was 2 inches taller.

OnTheWarpath58
04-27-2009, 09:20 AM
Mike Mayock had Ayers and Moreno as the best players at their position. They could be the best offensive and defensive players to come out of this draft.

Mayock also said that if Alphonso Smith would have been a top 10 pick if he was 2 inches taller.

But he's not, and he gets he pleasure of facing WR's that are half a foot taller than him 2 times a year in Bowe, Chambers and Jackson.

Denver definitely added talent, but at an insane cost.

Von Dumbass
04-27-2009, 09:25 AM
But he's not, and he gets he pleasure of facing WR's that are half a foot taller than him 2 times a year in Bowe, Chambers and Jackson.

Denver definitely added talent, but at an insane cost.

If we are in man to man I'm sure that Champ would be covering Bowe or Chambers. I think we will be running a lot of zone coverage though and Alphonso is good at that.

gcbroncos
04-27-2009, 09:27 AM
But he's not, and he gets he pleasure of facing WR's that are half a foot taller than him 2 times a year in Bowe, Chambers and Jackson.

Denver definitely added talent, but at an insane cost.

i agree...

i try and think glass half full though...Antoine Winfield is 5"9 and he's Pro Bowl calibur...

he is short, but he has freakish leaping ability...

we'll see...

gcbroncos
04-27-2009, 09:29 AM
I don't know why, but Robert Ayers just smells of Bust to me.

I guess we'll have to see. You guys might have wanted to keep both your first round picks for next year so you could trade up and take Bradford though, now I doubt you will be able to.

i can see why you'd think that...Ayers only had 1 good year (his senior year)...

Mike Mayock believes Ayers is the best defensive player in the entire draft...that i'm not sure of but his game tape looks impressive...

as for getting a QB like Bradford, again you're right...i am in the minority, but i am a believer in Kyle Orton...i don't think QB will be a problem for us at all...Orton will do what McDaniels wants in his offense...

King_Chief_Fan
04-27-2009, 09:40 AM
But he's not, and he gets he pleasure of facing WR's that are half a foot taller than him 2 times a year in Bowe, Chambers and Jackson.

Denver definitely added talent, but at an insane cost.

indeed. That next year's first round could have helped them get the QB they need. Orton and Simms aren't going to cut if for long.

Von Dumbass
04-29-2009, 09:00 AM
But he's not, and he gets he pleasure of facing WR's that are half a foot taller than him 2 times a year in Bowe, Chambers and Jackson.




How did this 5'9'' corner turn out for you guys?
http://i40.tinypic.com/mjvibd.jpg

Mile High Mania
04-29-2009, 09:12 AM
The price was steep, but if the guy can play and becomes a solid starter - he's worth it.

Many thought he would go late in R1, so if he was the highest rated guy on their board... why not make the trade? Sure, they gave up a 2010 R1 to get him, but I won't worry about it if the guy can play. They think he can, so we'll find out.

Regarding Bradford... again, I won't worry about the next potentially great QBs in the draft.

Orton has been an average (at worst) QB in a system that loves to run... now he's in a system that loves to pass and now has what should be a top flight RB option. We'll see how the defense comes along, but Orton could be consistently a top 12 type of performer with the weapons they have in McD's system.

Von Dumbass
04-29-2009, 03:14 PM
http://walterfootball.com/nflpowerrankings.php
31. Kansas City Chiefs (2-14) - Previously: 30
Let's take a look at what I wrote last time:

The Chiefs began the offseason by switching to the 3-4, even though Glenn Dorsey and Tamba Hali, two of the few promising players on the defense, don't fit into the new scheme. A few weeks ago, Kansas City traded for a shotgun-spread system quarterback even though it had one already. And recently, the Chiefs held a press conference to announce that they had signed Bobby Engram. Yeah, this offseason is going great so far.

Oh, man... Pioli eschewed the top defensive player in the draft for a guy ranked 9-12 on most boards. Pioli also ignored the pass rush and offensive line. It's apparent now more than ever that Pioli had nothing to do with New England's success all of these years. It should also come as no surprise that Bill Belichick drafted well despite not having Pioli around.

Jethopper
04-29-2009, 04:54 PM
Tamba Hali is promising? That statement alone shows walterfootball's understanding of the game.