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Micjones
04-27-2009, 05:41 AM
I think Chiefs brass answered a few questions on Saturday and Sunday, but we're still shy of being a football team that can compete this year.

Here's are Free Agents currently on the market who can help this team.
We could use several of them.

FA:
(WR) Plaxico Burress, I'm reluctant to add his name to the list, but after Tony Gonzalez defected for Hotlanta the Chiefs simply don't have many reliable pass-catchers. Dwayne Bowe should benefit from the presence of Todd Haley, but at the moment he's a not-so-sure handed WR who will see plenty of double teams without Tony G to protect him. Engram makes for a good WR in the slot, but can't be counted on to start opposite of Bowe. It's vital that Pioli provide his $14m QB with targets he can depend on. Burress is facing jail time and a possible suspension, but is just 31 years old and could figure into the Chiefs plans for the next 3 years.

(RT) Mark Tauscher, a 31-year old veteran who's coming off an injury, but if healthy can be a two year stop-gap for the Chiefs at RT. He would be an immedate upgrade over Damion McIntosh and solidify a respectable offensive line. Buys you time to develop future RT prospects Colin Brown, Barry Richardson, or a player yet to be considered for the job.

(DE) Travis Laboy, former Cardinal played under both Haley and Pendergast. I'd think they'd have interest in a player who could contribute to the rotation. He'll help us in avoiding another historically bad pass rush by this young defensive line. Is also just 27 years old. Could be a nice role player for a couple years.

(LB) Marques Harris, is just 27 years old...was one of the best reserve LB's in the league...has 3-4 experience...played well in spot duty as a starter in San Diego...and provides GOOD depth (worst-case scenario) or become a starting OLB here in KC (best-case scenario). Should come cheap as well.

(LB) Larry Foote, recently canned out in Pittsburgh he has 3-4 experience and is still fairly young at just 28. Would be reliable depth on a defensive unit that doesn't have many real answers at LB. Has proven in the past that he can rush the passer. That's certainly something the Chiefs could benefit from.

(LB) Roderick Green, is also 27 years old. He would help contribute to a historically bad defensive pass rush. In limited opportunities he's been very effective at getting to the QB. Green would be a great rotational guy. Could be had for a modest investment. In a 3-4 you never can have too many quality LB's. Especially those that can get to the QB.

(DE) Jason Taylor, would factor in as a rotational D-lineman who should be able to contribute a half-dozen sacks to an anemic pass rush. The Chiefs added two Defensive Linemen over the weekend, but neither of them bring much to the QB pressure table. Taylor brings some invaluable NFL experience to a young defensive unit as well.

(CB) Dre Bly, is a 32 year old veteran who can mentor our very young and inexperienced group of Cornerbacks. Flowers/Carr/Leggett all played well last season, but could stand to learn from a player who has been in the NFL as long as Bly has. Isn't long for retirement, but could provide some valuable advice to a budding group of young DB's.

SenselessChiefsFan
04-27-2009, 06:08 AM
I think Chiefs brass answered a few questions on Saturday and Sunday, but we're still shy of being a football team that can compete this year.

Here's my plan of attack for making this a respectable 53.

UDFA:
(ILB) Dannell Ellerbe
(NT) Chris Baker

FA:
(WR) Plaxico Burress, I'm reluctant to add his name to the list, but after Tony Gonzalez defected for Hotlanta the Chiefs simply don't have many reliable pass-catchers. Dwayne Bowe should benefit from the presence of Todd Haley, but at the moment he's a not-so-sure handed WR who will see plenty of double teams without Tony G to protect him. Engram makes for a good WR in the slot, but can't be counted on to start opposite of Bowe. It's vital that Pioli provide his $14m QB with targets he can depend on. Burress is facing jail time and a possible suspension, but is just 31 years old and could figure into the Chiefs plans for the next 3 years.

(LB) LeRoy Hill, would quickly become the best LB on this roster if he were signed. Recently released (after Seattle rescinded the francishe tag) he's a streetwalker the Chiefs should be looking for a "date" with. Hill's likely going to have a face-to-face with the Commish after being slapped with the Marijuana charge, but he's young enough to figure into your future.

(RT) Mark Tauscher, a 31-year old veteran who's coming off an injury, but if healthy can be a two year stop-gap for the Chiefs at RT. He would be an immedate upgrade over Damion McIntosh and solidify a respectable offensive line. Buys you time to develop future RT prospects Colin Brown, Barry Richardson, or a player yet to be considered for the job.

(LB) Marques Harris, is just 27 years old...was one of the best reserve LB's in the league...has 3-4 experience...played well in spot duty as a starter in San Diego...and provides GOOD depth (worst-case scenario) or become a starting OLB here in KC (best-case scenario). Should come cheap as well.

(LB) Roderick Green, is also 27 years old. He would help contribute to a historically bad defensive pass rush. In limited opportunities he's been very effective at getting to the QB. Green would be a great rotational guy. Could be had for a modest investment. In a 3-4 you never can have too many quality LB's. Especially those that can get to the QB.

(DE) Jason Taylor, would factor in as a rotational D-lineman who should be able to contribute a half-dozen sacks to an anemic pass rush. The Chiefs added two Defensive Linemen over the weekend, but neither of them bring much to the QB pressure table. Taylor brings some invaluable NFL experience to a young defensive unit as well.

(CB) Ken Lucas, is a 30 year old veteran who can mentor our very young and inexperienced group of Cornerbacks. Flowers/Carr/Leggett all played well last season, but could stand to learn from a player who has been in the NFL as long as Lucas has. Lucas still has gas left in the tank and can be a valuable asset in Nickel and Dime packages.

I really like Ellerbe. After that, we part ways.

Plax will be suspended, and could do a full year in jail. I am not adding him until that is resolved.

I like Hill, but don't think he fits on this team. He could be an ILB alongside DJ and give the Chiefs tons of range in there, but I don't think they are going to go that way. If the Chiefs hadn't signed Zach Thomas, perhaps. Though, it would be funny if the Chiefs landed Hill, since them passing on Curry caused the Seahawks to withdraw their tender. Hmmm... CONSPIRACY!

Fine with Tauscher, but don't see him as much of an upgrade over what we already have.

Fine with Green or Harris....probably like Harris more, but don't see huge impact here.

Have no interest in Jason Taylor. Won't bash it if it happens, but I don't think he has anything left.

Ken Lucas just takes the roster spot of one of the young guys and I don't see it as too much of an upgrade.

DaKCMan AP
04-27-2009, 06:40 AM
Chris Baker signed with Dungver.

Love Ellerbe - but he signed with Baltimore where he will be a perfect fit. :deevee:

No to Plax - too much baggage and we're not going to be competitive anyway.
No to Hill - doesn't fit with our team.
No to Lucas - we're fine at CB.
No to Taylor - old, rundown and doesn't fit.

Harris & Green - meh.

KCrockaholic
04-27-2009, 07:58 AM
I think that would turn this offseason into a waste of money, no offense.

wutamess
04-27-2009, 08:07 AM
Anquan Boldin.

Engram is horrible IMO.
Sammie Parker II.

Ceej
04-27-2009, 08:09 AM
Anquan Boldin.

Engram is horrible IMO.
Sammie Parker II.

To be fair, Engram and Parker aren't even remotely comparable.

Micjones
04-27-2009, 08:40 AM
Plax will be suspended, and could do a full year in jail. I am not adding him until that is resolved.

The fact that his situation is still outstanding is very unsettling, but so is going into the season with Dwayne Bowe and either Bradley/Darling/Webb starting opposite of him. If not Burress...make a play for Boldin.

We can't go into the season with the current assortment of Receivers.

I like Hill, but don't think he fits on this team. He could be an ILB alongside DJ and give the Chiefs tons of range in there, but I don't think they are going to go that way.

I think Hill can definitely play inside.

Fine with Tauscher, but don't see him as much of an upgrade over what we already have.

Really? Don't think he's significantly better than McIntosh?

Fine with Green or Harris....probably like Harris more, but don't see huge impact here.

I think those two could combine for about 8-10 sacks and provide some quality depth at LB.

Have no interest in Jason Taylor. Won't bash it if it happens, but I don't think he has anything left.

I'm not sure how much he has left either, but we just don't have the pass-rushing horses along that line.

Ken Lucas just takes the roster spot of one of the young guys and I don't see it as too much of an upgrade.

They'll keep 5 or 6 and he'll be the 5th or 6th Corner.
Don't think he takes a spot away at all.

Micjones
04-27-2009, 08:41 AM
Harris & Green - meh.

Those guys can play, will come cheap, and help our pass rush.

Micjones
04-27-2009, 08:42 AM
Engram is horrible IMO.


He's easily the most sure-handed player on this team right now.
Will help us tremendously on Third Down.
He'll be good in the slot.

RedThat
04-27-2009, 08:47 AM
Anquan Boldin.

Engram is horrible IMO.
Sammie Parker II.

Engram is not horrible. Im in total disagreement with that statement.

CaliforniaChief
04-29-2009, 09:06 AM
Does anyone with ESPN Insider access know what ESPN.com is talking about in their NFL section? The headline reads "Pioli to grab Jason Taylor now too." These headlines are always deceiving but just curious.

T-post Tom
04-29-2009, 09:12 AM
Does anyone with ESPN Insider access know what ESPN.com is talking about in their NFL section? The headline reads "Pioli to grab Jason Taylor now too." These headlines are always deceiving but just curious.

No access to ESPN Insider, but this is current from the St. Petersburg Times:

Midday sports report

April 28, 2009

Do Jason Taylor's options include the Buccaneers? Depends on who you ask
We heard an interesting rumor today about the Bucs possibly having interest in free agent defensive end Jason Taylor.

Taylor is narrowing his choices of teams as he prepares to play another season, and we were told the Bucs are among the teams interested. They are said to be joined by the Patriots and Dolphins, his original team.

But there is some conflicting information here. A different source indicated Taylor is not someone the Bucs have targeted. The rationale is this: adding a player like Taylor, who is 34-years old, would run counter to the team's stated goal: to get younger and go in a different direction. They are so committed to the goal that Derrick Brooks, Joey Galloway, Warrick Dunn and others were released.

Yes, Jim Bates is the defensive coordinator in Tampa and coached Taylor in Miami. And, yes, the Bucs are looking for help in their pass rush. But Taylor, a pass-rush specialist, wouldn't be an ideal fit at left defensive end, where the Bucs are searching for a starter opposite right end Gaines Adams. That position would require Taylor be stouter against the run.

We learned from Taylor's camp shortly after Taylor was cut by the Redskins early in the offseason that Tampa Bay was not among the teams making an effort to sign him. We'll keep trying to determine whether that's changed.

Right now, that's less than certain.

http://blogs.tampabay.com/bucs/2009/04/jason-taylors-choices-might-include-bucs.html

Micjones
04-29-2009, 09:58 AM
Laboy would be a nice addition to the D-Line.
He just got walked in AZ.

Mr. Krab
04-29-2009, 10:00 AM
Too many linebackers, no thanks to Ken Lucas ... the rest is fine with me.

DeezNutz
04-29-2009, 10:01 AM
Going to be surprised if Pioli and co. don't try to get more help for their boy Cassel.

Micjones
04-29-2009, 10:02 AM
Too many linebackers, no thanks to Ken Lucas ... the rest is fine with me.

Too many LB's? Nonsense. We're trying to run a 3-4 defense.
Right now we have 3 legitimate backers.
Adding Hill and either Green, Foote, or Harris would make that position strong.

Micjones
04-29-2009, 10:05 AM
Going to be surprised if Pioli and co. don't try to get more help for their boy Cassel.

Can't imagine they'll trot him onto the field with no legitimate starters at RT or at #2 WR.

Mr. Krab
04-29-2009, 10:12 AM
Too many LB's? Nonsense. We're trying to run a 3-4 defense.
Right now we have 3 legitimate backers.
Adding Hill and either Green, Foote, or Harris would make that position strong.
either? You listed Hill,Green AND Harris ... all of them is too much. imo

Who's gonna start then? How many LB's they gonna carry?

LeRoy Hill - start
Mike Vrabel- start
Zach Thomas- start
Derrick Johnson- start

Marques Harris - ?
Roderick Green - ?
Demorrio Williams - ?
Monty Beisel = special teams
Weston Dacus - cut
Corey Mays - cut

DeezNutz
04-29-2009, 10:15 AM
Can't imagine they'll trot him onto the field with no legitimate starters at RT or at #2 WR.

Agree completely.

htismaqe
04-29-2009, 10:49 AM
Anquan Boldin.

Engram is horrible IMO.
Sammie Parker II.

Come on man.

Engram = slow. Parker = fast.
Engram = good route running. Parker = not so much
Engram = hands of stick-em. Parker = hands of stone
Engram = cool professional. Parker = celebrate after a 4-yard catch.

There's ZERO comparison between the two.

milkman
04-29-2009, 10:51 AM
Come on man.

Engram = slow. Parker = fast.
Engram = good route running. Parker = not so much
Engram = hands of stick-em. Parker = hands of stone
Engram = cool professional. Parker = celebrate after a 4-yard catch.

There's ZERO comparison between the two.

They both have the same number of letters in their first and last names.

vailpass
04-29-2009, 10:52 AM
Laboy would be a nice addition to the D-Line.
He just got walked in AZ.

He is a nice player when healthy.

Nixhex
04-29-2009, 10:56 AM
What about Levi Jones from Cincy at RT?

melbar
04-29-2009, 11:16 AM
Come on man.

Engram = slow. Parker = fast.
Engram = good route running. Parker = not so much
Engram = hands of stick-em. Parker = hands of stone
Engram = cool professional. Parker = celebrate after a 4-yard catch.

There's ZERO comparison between the two.

ROFL

Thats funny right there!

bdeg
04-29-2009, 11:24 AM
What about Levi Jones from Cincy at RT?

washed up

JASONSAUTO
04-29-2009, 11:31 AM
They both have the same number of letters in their first and last names.

ROFL

RustShack
04-29-2009, 11:40 AM
Does anyone with ESPN Insider access know what ESPN.com is talking about in their NFL section? The headline reads "Pioli to grab Jason Taylor now too." These headlines are always deceiving but just curious.

To the ship!

Mr. Kotter
04-29-2009, 11:48 AM
Does anyone with ESPN Insider access know what ESPN.com is talking about in their NFL section? The headline reads "Pioli to grab Jason Taylor now too." These headlines are always deceiving but just curious.

One team whose rumored interest still lingers in spite of no official word from management is the Kansas City Chiefs. With the trio of Glenn Dorsey, Tank Tyler and Tyson Jackson ready to man the front line in the Chiefs' 3-4, Taylor could be utilized as a pure pass-rusher. Bill Williamson of the AFC West blog gave his take on this potential signing weeks ago, and the Chiefs did not do anything over the weekend that would rule this move out.

Buehler445
04-29-2009, 11:52 AM
I want LeBoy and Foote. Now.

htismaqe
04-29-2009, 11:53 AM
One team whose rumored interest still lingers in spite of no official word from management is the Kansas City Chiefs. With the trio of Glenn Dorsey, Tank Tyler and Tyson Jackson ready to man the front line in the Chiefs' 3-4, Taylor could be utilized as a pure pass-rusher. Bill Williamson of the AFC West blog gave his take on this potential signing weeks ago, and the Chiefs did not do anything over the weekend that would rule this move out.

I'm all for bringing in anybody at the right price. If Taylor wants to play OLB, we have a spot for him.

RustShack
04-29-2009, 11:53 AM
They changed that ESPN rumor headline to "Another team interested in JT?"

Micjones
04-29-2009, 12:05 PM
either? You listed Hill,Green AND Harris ... all of them is too much. imo

Who's gonna start then? How many LB's they gonna carry?

LeRoy Hill - start
Mike Vrabel- start
Zach Thomas- start
Derrick Johnson- start

Marques Harris - ?
Roderick Green - ?
Demorrio Williams - ?
Monty Beisel = special teams
Weston Dacus - cut
Corey Mays - cut

I could see them carrying 8.
We're planning to run a defense that's requires 4 starters at LB.

Beisel is best on ST.

CoMoChief
04-29-2009, 12:19 PM
Laboy is better than many players we have now.

Should have signed WR Torry Holt this offseason. It's almost ****in criminal that we didn't look for another offensive weapon after trading away our best offensive weapon. (Tony G)

RustShack
04-29-2009, 12:26 PM
Laboy is better than many players we have now.

Should have signed WR Torry Holt this offseason. It's almost ****in criminal that we didn't look for another offensive weapon after trading away our best offensive weapon. (Tony G)

Keep doubting Marvin Harrison and Plaxico Burress!!!

Chocolate Hog
04-29-2009, 01:45 PM
Trade for Anquan Boldin

Micjones
04-29-2009, 01:49 PM
Laboy is better than many players we have now.

Should have signed WR Torry Holt this offseason. It's almost ****in criminal that we didn't look for another offensive weapon after trading away our best offensive weapon. (Tony G)

Something HAS to be done.
You're setting Cassel up for failure otherwise.

Nixhex
04-29-2009, 02:16 PM
I see a lot people want to trade for Boldin. What do you give up for him? Keep in mind he'll be 29 this year and has had several serious knee injuries in his career.

Micjones
04-29-2009, 02:50 PM
I see a lot people want to trade for Boldin. What do you give up for him? Keep in mind he'll be 29 this year and has had several serious knee injuries in his career.

If they'd take a 2 and a 3 in next year's draft I'd pull the trigger.

Mr. Krab
04-29-2009, 04:17 PM
Trade for Anquan Boldin
I cannot express how strongly we should of done this using THIS year's draft picks instead of next year. I'm not sure i do it at all now.

Micjones
04-29-2009, 04:23 PM
I cannot express how strongly we should of done this using THIS year's draft picks instead of next year. I'm not sure i do it at all now.

We have an extra 2 next year. Why not?
I'm not sure we had the ammo this year to pull it off.

Mr. Krab
04-29-2009, 05:59 PM
We have an extra 2 next year. Why not?
I'm not sure we had the ammo this year to pull it off.
Because next year's draft picks are worth more than this year. Higher talent level in draft. Depends on what they want in trade.

Pasta Giant Meatball
04-29-2009, 06:06 PM
I cannot express how strongly we should of done this using THIS year's draft picks instead of next year. I'm not sure i do it at all now.

They had no 2nd rounder and there was no way they were giving up the 3rd rounder. They would have been left with just one pick in the 1st 3 rounds and that wasn't happening.

bluehawkdoc
04-29-2009, 06:15 PM
I say we trade for someone on steroids. I hear that stuff enhances performance and I'm all for that.

Micjones
04-29-2009, 07:59 PM
Because next year's draft picks are worth more than this year. Higher talent level in draft. Depends on what they want in trade.

Fair enough, but could Pioli really afford to wait an entire year before building a foundation on that defense?

Without a #1 and #3, which I imagine it would've taken...
You don't begin drafting until Day 2 of the draft.

htismaqe
04-29-2009, 08:24 PM
Fair enough, but could Pioli really afford to wait an entire year before building a foundation on that defense?

Without a #1 and #3, which I imagine it would've taken...
You don't begin drafting until Day 2 of the draft.

Yep.

I think Pioli traded for Cassel because he thinks we're going to be good sooner rather than later. It wouldn't make much sense to then trade away even more picks.

KcFanInGA
04-30-2009, 12:11 PM
I want Marvin Harrison. True, his years are adding up, but I believe he has 2-3 more good seasons, and he could easily draw a double team and free up Bowe or Engram, or whoever.

Micjones
04-30-2009, 12:18 PM
Yep.

I think Pioli traded for Cassel because he thinks we're going to be good sooner rather than later. It wouldn't make much sense to then trade away even more picks.

If he doesn't give Cassel some weapons and a legitimate RT it won't matter how soon we turn it around. Cassel's going to struggle.

Micjones
04-30-2009, 12:19 PM
I want Marvin Harrison. True, his years are adding up, but I believe he has 2-3 more good seasons, and he could easily draw a double team and free up Bowe or Engram, or whoever.

I'm finding it hard to argue with signing Harrison.
Cassel's in deep shit with only Bowe and Engram to throw to.

Chocolate Hog
04-30-2009, 12:25 PM
Goff is an upgrade and maybe the Chiefs liked how Mcintosh played last half of the season. Even if we do upgrade that RT I think Cassel won't be that good this year. Remeber Trent Greens first season?

Micjones
04-30-2009, 12:36 PM
Goff is an upgrade and maybe the Chiefs liked how Mcintosh played last half of the season. Even if we do upgrade that RT I think Cassel won't be that good this year. Remeber Trent Greens first season?

A better question would be do you remember who Trent Green's receivers were in his first season?

Cassel will have a better line, if we upgrade the RT spot, and a better assortment of offensive weapons.

htismaqe
04-30-2009, 12:36 PM
Goff is an upgrade and maybe the Chiefs liked how Mcintosh played last half of the season.

I agree with this. I think people are underestimating just how awful Jones was.

Even if we do upgrade that RT I think Cassel won't be that good this year. Remeber Trent Greens first season?

I don't agree with this. I think we're more talented than Green's first season.

Micjones
04-30-2009, 12:39 PM
I agree with this. I think people are underestimating just how awful Jones was.

How much better would we be with (Levi) Jones at RT?

Chocolate Hog
04-30-2009, 12:39 PM
A better question would be do you remember who Trent Green's receivers were in his first season?

Cassel will have a better line, if we upgrade the RT spot, and a better assortment of offensive weapons.

That's a good point, However look at the WR's & O-line of the Patriots then compare it to the Chiefs. Also are the Chiefs going to run the same offense?

RustShack
04-30-2009, 12:39 PM
If we still had Gonzalez then I'd say we are more talented than Greens first season. Hopefully they traded him planning on using that pick to trade for Boldin.

Micjones
04-30-2009, 12:41 PM
That's a good point, However look at the WR's & O-line of the Patriots then compare it to the Chiefs. Also are the Chiefs going to run the same offense?

I don't think the Chiefs will be running New England's offense anyway.
But I think it may bear some resemblance to the Cards' scheme.

We're not as talented as New England, but we do have some weapons.

Micjones
04-30-2009, 12:43 PM
If we still had Gonzalez then I'd say we are more talented than Greens first season. Hopefully they traded him planning on using that pick to trade for Boldin.

'01: Larry Parker, Derrick Alexander, Eddie Kennison, Tony Gonzalez

'09: Dwayne Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram, Brad Cottom

Chocolate Hog
04-30-2009, 12:46 PM
'01: Larry Parker, Derrick Alexander, Eddie Kennison, Tony Gonzalez

'09: Dwayne Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram, Brad Cottom

Trent Green had Tony Gonzalez & Priest Holmes and prolly a better O-line. Thats not the point though. What I'm saying is Cassel will have to adjust to the new offense so will the Bowe,Cottam, Ect.

Micjones
04-30-2009, 12:52 PM
Trent Green had Tony Gonzalez & Priest Holmes and prolly a better O-line. Thats not the point though. What I'm saying is Cassel will have to adjust to the new offense so will the Bowe,Cottam, Ect.

We have Larry Johnson AND Jamaal Charles.
Their productivity combined is equivalent to a Priest Holmes.
I think the offensive line is about the same as it was then.

bdeg
04-30-2009, 12:52 PM
I'd bring Harrison in. I'm amazed noone already has

Fish
04-30-2009, 12:55 PM
We have Larry Johnson AND Jamaal Charles.
Their productivity combined is equivalent to a Priest Holmes.
I think the offensive line is about the same as it was then.

I'd take that 01 offensive line in a second....

Micjones
04-30-2009, 12:57 PM
I'd take that 01 offensive line in a second....

Albert's more talented than Tait was at LT.
Shields v. Goff? That's a close one, but I'd give the edge to Shields.
Niswanger v. Weigmann? Depends on the offensive philosophy.
Waters is still Waters.
Spears vs. D-Mac/Brown/Richardson? Edge to Spears.

I think it's a push.

Buehler445
04-30-2009, 12:57 PM
I'd bring Harrison in. I'm amazed noone already has

Old, slow, and this >< close to being broken some more.
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htismaqe
04-30-2009, 01:02 PM
I'd take that 01 offensive line in a second....

Nostalgia, pure and simple. The left side is stronger now, the right side is weaker. It's a wash.

We don't have Tony G, but we do have Bowe. Our RB's are better now - remember Priest started that season splitting carries with TRich.

Overall, the whole unit is more talented than it was then.

Fish
04-30-2009, 01:49 PM
Albert's more talented than Tait was at LT.
Shields v. Goff? That's a close one, but I'd give the edge to Shields.
Niswanger v. Weigmann? Depends on the offensive philosophy.
Waters is still Waters.
Spears vs. D-Mac/Brown/Richardson? Edge to Spears.

I think it's a push.

You are correct. I was thinking of the 2002 OLine. Sorry.

Chiefnj2
04-30-2009, 01:51 PM
Albert's more talented than Tait was at LT.
Shields v. Goff? That's a close one, but I'd give the edge to Shields.
Niswanger v. Weigmann? Depends on the offensive philosophy.
Waters is still Waters.
Spears vs. D-Mac/Brown/Richardson? Edge to Spears.

I think it's a push.

How can anyone say Shields and Goff are close?
Niswanger hasn't played anywhere nearly as good as Weigmann did.

Micjones
04-30-2009, 02:16 PM
How can anyone say Shields and Goff are close?
Niswanger hasn't played anywhere nearly as good as Weigmann did.

Even if you said Shields in a landslide our current line is still just as good as the one that protected Green.

Weigmann struggled mightily under Herm Edwards.
So again it depends on the offensive philosophy.
Niswanger has been serviceable.

milkman
04-30-2009, 02:18 PM
I'm finding it hard to argue with signing Harrison.
Cassel's in deep shit with only Bowe and Engram to throw to.

Harrison battled injury two years ago, and his numbers declined substantially last year.

I think he's pretty much done.

I wouldn't sign him.

Micjones
04-30-2009, 02:18 PM
Harrison battled injury two years ago, and his numbers declined substantially last year.

I think he's pretty much done.

I wouldn't sign him.

So what do we do?

Reerun_KC
04-30-2009, 03:33 PM
If he doesn't give Cassel some weapons and a legitimate RT it won't matter how soon we turn it around. Cassel's going to struggle.

This is where I disagree, Cassel should make the people better around him. Why should we have to get Cassel this and that? Why cant Cassel play like he did last year and bring everyones game around him to his level of play?

Seems like people are trying to build an excuse for Cassel already.

Buehler445
04-30-2009, 04:02 PM
This is where I disagree, Cassel should make the people better around him. Why should we have to get Cassel this and that? Why cant Cassel play like he did last year and bring everyones game around him to his level of play?

Seems like people are trying to build an excuse for Cassel already.

That's a pretty valid point. While I'm sure he won't produce at exactly the same level here, but it has been widely discussed that a QB should elevate the play of those around him.

On the other hand though, he cand do it all himself.

Personally, I am hoping Richardson shows some progress and is the Day 1 starter.
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Micjones
04-30-2009, 04:26 PM
This is where I disagree, Cassel should make the people better around him. Why should we have to get Cassel this and that? Why cant Cassel play like he did last year and bring everyones game around him to his level of play?

Seems like people are trying to build an excuse for Cassel already.

You're kidding yourself if you think Cassel's presence is going to make something of a trio of WR's (Darling/Bradley/Webb) who've been career underachievers.

The man can't make chicken salad of chicken shit.
I believe his presence will help Bowe blossom into a better WR, but he has talent in and of himself.
Cassel isn't going to make a bunch of bums into Pro Bowlers.
What QB does that?

It's rare that good NFL QB's don't have reliable pass-catchers around them.
To expect anything more of Cassel is silly.

Thig Lyfe
04-30-2009, 04:29 PM
I WANT MY
I WANT MY
I WANT MY ANQUAN B

milkman
04-30-2009, 04:33 PM
So what do we do?

Hope like hell that Bradley can stay healthy.

There really aren't many options available.

Micjones
04-30-2009, 04:42 PM
Hope like hell that Bradley can stay healthy.

There really aren't many options available.

History's shown that he probably won't do that.

I think you'd be making a mistake not to do something else to shore up that spot.

Reerun_KC
04-30-2009, 04:43 PM
You're kidding yourself if you think Cassel's presence is going to make something of a trio of WR's (Darling/Bradley/Webb) who've been career underachievers.

The man can't make chicken salad of chicken shit.
I believe his presence will help Bowe blossom into a better WR, but he has talent in and of himself.
Cassel isn't going to make a bunch of bums into Pro Bowlers.
What QB does that?

It's rare that good NFL QB's don't have reliable pass-catchers around them.
To expect anything more of Cassel is silly.

Then call it silly, because I fully expect Cassel to come in here and light it up. I expect his experience in a winning organization and play on the field to elevate these guys around him.

Regardless of who is out there, I expect Cassel to put up pro bowl type numbers and make these bums into high quailty NFL receivers and players.

He has had a year of NFL experience and I fully expect him to make Chicken pasta salad out of chicken pooh.

Chicago Chiefs fan
04-30-2009, 04:43 PM
im sorry for asking this here but can someone tell me if am seating behind the band at the kc chiefs game. My seat is section 110 row 1. i bought it it said endzone seats. and if this is behind the band IM going to be pissed. I would really be happy if someone can find out for me thanks

Micjones
04-30-2009, 04:55 PM
im sorry for asking this here but can someone tell me if am seating behind the band at the kc chiefs game. My seat is section 110 row 1. i bought it it said endzone seats. and if this is behind the band IM going to be pissed. I would really be happy if someone can find out for me thanks

The TD Pack Band is no more.

Delano
04-30-2009, 05:09 PM
im sorry for asking this here but can someone tell me if am seating behind the band at the kc chiefs game. My seat is section 110 row 1. i bought it it said endzone seats. and if this is behind the band IM going to be pissed. I would really be happy if someone can find out for me thanks

No problem,

http://i44.tinypic.com/2r3z8kh.jpg

htismaqe
04-30-2009, 06:19 PM
This is where I disagree, Cassel should make the people better around him. Why should we have to get Cassel this and that? Why cant Cassel play like he did last year and bring everyones game around him to his level of play?

Seems like people are trying to build an excuse for Cassel already.

Seriously dude. You need to go to the doctor and ask him for some medication. You've GOT to give this a rest. It's not productive at all.

We traded a #12 overall pick for Trent Green, and he came from a team that had just won a Super Bowl 24 months before. He was AWFUL his 1st year here. Your expectations of Cassel are absolutely ridiculous.

htismaqe
04-30-2009, 06:21 PM
Then call it silly, because I fully expect Cassel to come in here and light it up. I expect his experience in a winning organization and play on the field to elevate these guys around him.

Regardless of who is out there, I expect Cassel to put up pro bowl type numbers and make these bums into high quailty NFL receivers and players.

He has had a year of NFL experience and I fully expect him to make Chicken pasta salad out of chicken pooh.

So what you're saying is that this is essentially an internet-based, more-wordy version of a classic toddler temper tantrum...

milkman
04-30-2009, 06:36 PM
Seriously dude. You need to go to the doctor and ask him for some medication. You've GOT to give this a rest. It's not productive at all.

We traded a #12 overall pick for Trent Green, and he came from a team that had just won a Super Bowl 24 months before. He was AWFUL his 1st year here. Your expectations of Cassel are absolutely ridiculous.

While ReeRun is going overboard, and while I was/am not a fan of the trade that brought Cassel here, the fact that he has better mobility than Green did will be a plus that will create opportunities to make plays that Green coudn't make while this team is transitioning to a new sysytem.

And, while the WR corps isn't exactly all star material, it sure as hell beats the crap that Green had to work with when he showed up.

Reerun_KC
04-30-2009, 06:47 PM
So what you're saying is that this is essentially an internet-based, more-wordy version of a classic toddler temper tantrum...

Seriously dude. You need to go to the doctor and ask him for some medication. You've GOT to give this a rest. It's not productive at all.

We traded a #12 overall pick for Trent Green, and he came from a team that had just won a Super Bowl 24 months before. He was AWFUL his 1st year here. Your expectations of Cassel are absolutely ridiculous.


:LOL:

That was funny dude! The simple fact that you still let what people type get you all wound up, is still quite comical...

Just so you can rest easy, I just went to an Aviation Medical Examiner and was re-issued my 1st class medical with no limitations... There werent any anxiety issues noted on my offical record. Sorry to hurt your feelings, but I dont get wound up over DramaPlanet anymore...


Regardless of your expectations vs my expectations of Cassel, IMO I feel that Cassel has to take this team on his back and elevate everyone to his level.

I honestly dont care about the past with Trent, DV and Saunders. That has absolutely zero bearing on Cassel, Haley and Gailey. Actually now that the Carl Era is over, there isnt much reason to rehash it.

I want to appologize that you got all upset and decided to stomp your feet and hold your breath until I agree with you. But just so you know. I dont agree with you.

My expecations of Cassel is a Top 5 QB next year... Anything less is a failure. He has all the tools to carry this team otherwise we wouldnt of traded for him.

Reerun_KC
04-30-2009, 06:48 PM
While ReeRun is going overboard, and while I was/am not a fan of the trade that brought Cassel here, the fact that he has better mobility than Green did will be a plus that will create opportunities to make plays that Green coudn't make while this team is transitioning to a new sysytem.

And, while the WR corps isn't exactly all star material, it sure as hell beats the crap that Green had to work with when he showed up.

Overboard in your opinion..

But why would you trade for a QB that isnt capable of leading your franchise? You wouldnt...

DaKCMan AP
04-30-2009, 07:55 PM
My expecations of Cassel is a Top 5 QB next year... Anything less is a failure. He has all the tools to carry this team otherwise we wouldnt of traded for him.

That's pretty ridiculous. Me thinks you just want to have something to bitch about so you're setting unrealistic expectations.

DeezNutz
04-30-2009, 08:02 PM
My expecations of Cassel is a Top 5 QB next year... Anything less is a failure. He has all the tools to carry this team otherwise we wouldnt of traded for him.

Neither Stafford or Sanchez would have been top 5 next year.

And Cassel doesn't exactly have a wealth of experience. He's still pretty n00bish.

My expectation is for vastly improved QB play compared to '08. Should be a pretty achievable goal.

DaKCMan AP
04-30-2009, 08:05 PM
Neither Stafford or Sanchez would have been top 5 next year.

And Cassel doesn't exactly have a wealth of experience. He's still pretty n00bish.

My expectation is for vastly improved QB play compared to '08. Should be a pretty achievable goal.

He thinks anything less than top 5 QB for Cassel is failure when Cassel wasn't a top-5 QB last year and now he's without Moss, Welker and a top-10 defense.

Brianfo
04-30-2009, 08:06 PM
:LOL:

That was funny dude! The simple fact that you still let what people type get you all wound up, is still quite comical...

Just so you can rest easy, I just went to an Aviation Medical Examiner and was re-issued my 1st class medical with no limitations... There werent any anxiety issues noted on my offical record. Sorry to hurt your feelings, but I dont get wound up over DramaPlanet anymore...


Regardless of your expectations vs my expectations of Cassel, IMO I feel that Cassel has to take this team on his back and elevate everyone to his level.

I honestly dont care about the past with Trent, DV and Saunders. That has absolutely zero bearing on Cassel, Haley and Gailey. Actually now that the Carl Era is over, there isnt much reason to rehash it.

I want to appologize that you got all upset and decided to stomp your feet and hold your breath until I agree with you. But just so you know. I dont agree with you.

My expecations of Cassel is a Top 5 QB next year... Anything less is a failure. He has all the tools to carry this team otherwise we wouldnt of traded for him.

DOUCHE BAG!!!

GFY

DeezNutz
04-30-2009, 08:07 PM
He thinks anything less than top 5 QB for Cassel is failure when Cassel wasn't a top-5 QB last year and now he's without Moss, Welker and a top-10 defense.

It's absurd, and he knows it.

I hated the trade, but if Cassel becomes a top-10 QB and plays for this franchise for 10 years, we'll be able to contend for championships.

Next year? ****. I just expect progress and for him to be a leader.

htismaqe
04-30-2009, 08:30 PM
:LOL:

That was funny dude! The simple fact that you still let what people type get you all wound up, is still quite comical...

Just so you can rest easy, I just went to an Aviation Medical Examiner and was re-issued my 1st class medical with no limitations... There werent any anxiety issues noted on my offical record. Sorry to hurt your feelings, but I dont get wound up over DramaPlanet anymore...


Regardless of your expectations vs my expectations of Cassel, IMO I feel that Cassel has to take this team on his back and elevate everyone to his level.

I honestly dont care about the past with Trent, DV and Saunders. That has absolutely zero bearing on Cassel, Haley and Gailey. Actually now that the Carl Era is over, there isnt much reason to rehash it.

I want to appologize that you got all upset and decided to stomp your feet and hold your breath until I agree with you. But just so you know. I dont agree with you.

My expecations of Cassel is a Top 5 QB next year... Anything less is a failure. He has all the tools to carry this team otherwise we wouldnt of traded for him.

ROFL

Dude, I'm not wound up at all.

I'm just letting you know that your expectations of Cassel are not only unrealistic but downright ridiculous.

And the fact that you continue to scream it from the rooftops every chance you get reminds everyone here of a 10-year old who didn't get his ice cream.

htismaqe
04-30-2009, 08:31 PM
Overboard in your opinion..

But why would you trade for a QB that isnt capable of leading your franchise? You wouldnt...

I'm 100% certain that Scott Pioli thinks Cassel is capable of leading the franchise.

Leading the franchise and being a Top 5 QB in his first season here are two COMPLETELY different things.

Reerun_KC
04-30-2009, 08:46 PM
That's pretty ridiculous. Me thinks you just want to have something to bitch about so you're setting unrealistic expectations.

:rolleyes:

Why r you so worried about my expectations on Cassel and the team?

Reerun_KC
04-30-2009, 08:49 PM
Neither Stafford or Sanchez would have been top 5 next year.

And Cassel doesn't exactly have a wealth of experience. He's still pretty n00bish.

My expectation is for vastly improved QB play compared to '08. Should be a pretty achievable goal.

Why drag people into the discussion that are not relivant to the Chiefs and the 2009 season?

I guess Cutler probably wont be top 5 either... So what does that have to do with Cassel and the Chiefs?

Reerun_KC
04-30-2009, 08:51 PM
It's absurd, and he knows it.

I hated the trade, but if Cassel becomes a top-10 QB and plays for this franchise for 10 years, we'll be able to contend for championships.

Next year? ****. I just expect progress and for him to be a leader.

Its absurd? Yeah its absurd for me to expect the QBoTF to lead this team, put up great numbers and raise the play of others....

Progress is one thing, but Cassel is a NFL QB and played last year...

DaKCMan AP
04-30-2009, 08:52 PM
:rolleyes:

Why r you so worried about my expectations on Cassel and the team?

I'm not worried. Just stating my correct opinion as to why your wrong expectations are unrealistic.

Reerun_KC
04-30-2009, 08:53 PM
ROFL

Dude, I'm not wound up at all.

I'm just letting you know that your expectations of Cassel are not only unrealistic but downright ridiculous.

And the fact that you continue to scream it from the rooftops every chance you get reminds everyone here of a 10-year old who didn't get his ice cream.

Well I can always count on one grump old man to come and scream that someone hid his medimucle from him...

Stop yelling and worring about my expectations of Cassel....

DeezNutz
04-30-2009, 08:53 PM
Why drag people into the discussion that are not relivant to the Chiefs and the 2009 season?

I guess Cutler probably wont be top 5 either... So what does that have to do with Cassel and the Chiefs?

Because Sanchez was our only other viable option. If we had selected him, you wouldn't be putting the same type of expectations upon him.

Top 5 next season is ridiculous. Not going to happen. Frankly, I'm not sure if Cassel is ever going to be capable of this.

Reerun_KC
04-30-2009, 08:54 PM
DOUCHE BAG!!!

GFY

STFU n00b!

Reerun_KC
04-30-2009, 08:56 PM
Because Sanchez was our only other viable option. If we had selected him, you wouldn't be putting the same type of expectations upon him.

Top 5 next season is ridiculous. Not going to happen. Frankly, I'm not sure if Cassel is ever going to be capable of this.

Why are you not sure he isnt capable of being an elite QB? He has the tools, the experience and was thought highly enough that others wanted him.

He is very capable of being a TOP 5 QB, He is very capable of elevating players around him...

I guess we will see. I honestly dont think he will disappoint, we have invested heavily in him, he will produce.

Pioli Zombie
04-30-2009, 08:58 PM
The Chiefs have 2 second picks in 2010. I would give a 1 and a 3 for Boldin. That changes the entire receiving corp. Bowe is a fine #2 and Engram is a terrific 3.
I have confidence Pioli knows defensive linemen. So the young DL will be fine. Sign Jason Taylor to just be a pass rushing Willie McGinest type

Things could turm around in a hurry.
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The Bad Guy
04-30-2009, 09:01 PM
Its absurd? Yeah its absurd for me to expect the QBoTF to lead this team, put up great numbers and raise the play of others....

Progress is one thing, but Cassel is a NFL QB and played last year...

And you expect him to just to jump onto a new team, with a different skill set, and put up top 5 numbers.

Your criteria is ridiculous.

Do you forget this is a 2-14 team?

I expect Cassel to raise the level of this offense. However, I'm not going to put a bullshit tag on him that he has to finish in the top 5 in order to justify spending a second round pick on him.

I know you need a new punching bag now that Herm is gone. It's sad that you will likely spend the next 5 years ripping on Cassel because he didn't meet your lofty year one expectations.

The Bad Guy
04-30-2009, 09:02 PM
The Chiefs have 2 second picks in 2010. I would give a 1 and a 3 for Boldin. That changes the entire receiving corp. Bowe is a fine #2 and Engram is a terrific 3.
I have confidence Pioli knows defensive linemen. So the young DL will be fine. Sign Jason Taylor to just be a pass rushing Willie McGinest type

Things could turm around in a hurry.
Posted via Mobile Device

I'm not giving a 1 and a 3 for Boldin right now. No one is lining up to pay the Cardinals price tag, so why should we?

Reerun_KC
04-30-2009, 09:04 PM
And you expect him to just to jump onto a new team, with a different skill set, and put up top 5 numbers.

Your criteria is ridiculous.

Do you forget this is a 2-14 team?

I expect Cassel to raise the level of this offense. However, I'm not going to put a bullshit tag on him that he has to finish in the top 5 in order to justify spending a second round pick on him.

I know you need a new punching bag now that Herm is gone. It's sad that you will likely spend the next 5 years ripping on Cassel because he didn't meet your lofty year one expectations.

Where did I say that I was trying to justify the second round pick? Link?

Reerun_KC
04-30-2009, 09:05 PM
I'm not giving a 1 and a 3 for Boldin right now. No one is lining up to pay the Cardinals price tag, so why should we?

Agree, 1 and 3 are way to steep when we still have an ass load of needs on both sides of the ball.

I would give one of the 2nds and maybe a 4th for him...

Reerun_KC
04-30-2009, 09:07 PM
I know you need a new punching bag now that Herm is gone. It's sad that you will likely spend the next 5 years ripping on Cassel because he didn't meet your lofty year one expectations.

There are plenty of other people/players to rip.. I have yet once said anything negative about Cassel. I did say, I expect him to be a TOP 5 QB and he has the tools to do..

I want him to elevate the players around him, up to his level..

How is all that negative? Just because I think Cassel is a Top 5 QB and should be there, isnt negative...

Reerun_KC
04-30-2009, 09:13 PM
I love this place, it never disappoints....

DaKCMan AP
04-30-2009, 09:14 PM
I love this place, it never disappoints....

That's what she said.

You're welcome.

DeezNutz
04-30-2009, 09:22 PM
Why are you not sure he isnt capable of being an elite QB? He has the tools.

He does?

htismaqe
05-01-2009, 06:35 AM
Why drag people into the discussion that are not relivant to the Chiefs and the 2009 season?

I guess Cutler probably wont be top 5 either... So what does that have to do with Cassel and the Chiefs?

Because Sanchez is relevant to the DISCUSSION.

Or are you going to tell us now that you didn't have you're heart set on it?

htismaqe
05-01-2009, 06:36 AM
Well I can always count on one grump old man to come and scream that someone hid his medimucle from him...

Stop yelling and worring about my expectations of Cassel....

ROFL

I'm not yelling, nor am I grumpy.

I'm laughing at you, as are most people here. Of course, this is your version of putting your fingers in your ear and pretending that it isn't happening.

But of course, it is.