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Herzig
04-27-2009, 06:08 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=ArGzBboTY__y2.leIg..8NVDubYF?slug=jc-09afcdraftgrades042709&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

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Kansas City Chiefs (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/kan/;_ylt=Ail7NpEggnEqaBYt4ljZTgnsYNAF)
Picks: DE Tyson Jackson (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/9267/;_ylt=As6hyefcwmNr5IfLyGwu4qzsYNAF)http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/sp/fn/default/full/p_note.gif (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/9267/news;_ylt=AkTYo9pijv8_oZpUiidb4TDsYNAF), DT Alex Magee (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/9331/;_ylt=An3SB6R0Xz_xL7RxtsjmGfXsYNAF)http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/sp/fn/default/full/p_note.gif (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/9331/news;_ylt=AokuHQeNvtSDNmCCZWc3oKrsYNAF), CB Donald Washington (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/9366/;_ylt=AtDRq2jJrO0E2P4ta0LsjDvsYNAF)http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/sp/fn/default/full/p_note.gif (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/9366/news;_ylt=AuOCZ_E5oq2KrgKScpQ4Dn_sYNAF), OL Colin Brown (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/9403/;_ylt=AkOrVUBoQ7SX0_MOc.SjfB3sYNAF)http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/sp/fn/default/full/p_note.gif (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/9403/news;_ylt=Anmrem3GAzNf8ZXozQJvoLvsYNAF), WR Quentin Lawrence, RB Javarris Williams (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/9476/;_ylt=Ap.mkKb3FBfRxe8gR2I3jcTsYNAF)http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/sp/fn/default/full/p_note.gif (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/9476/news;_ylt=AvPk9kUOVq6m2cWQEp8YxZzsYNAF), TE Jake O’Connell (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/9501/;_ylt=AqMK9DZG8ewXom970CD66UbsYNAF)http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/sp/fn/default/full/p_note.gif (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/9501/news;_ylt=Av7EJm_se7YFidJBB3mIyILsYNAF), K Ryan Succop (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/9520/;_ylt=An2vnGRO6H.72RoqaMHvTZDsYNAF)http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/sp/fn/default/full/p_note.gif (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/9520/news;_ylt=Am33ZDLF0oExVlff9KHSZb_sYNAF).
Positives: Jackson and Magee.
Negative: Needed some skill position help for Matt Cassel (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7406/;_ylt=Ap_TioH7bDCDhV_JQO75objsYNAF)http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/sp/fn/default/full/p_note.gif (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7406/news;_ylt=AhabgdeVWy8vJNbz.UG6oPTsYNAF).
Bottom line: A-. New Chiefs general manager Scott Pioli turned his first three picks into key foundation players with the selections of Jackson, Magee and by trading for Cassel at the start of free agency. One thing Pioli learned well from New England’s Belichick is to use your top picks on talented big men like Jackson, who is a carbon copy of Richard Seymour (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5453/;_ylt=Ar_xY.3cl1ZrVZrKsRiPrBbsYNAF)http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/sp/fn/default/full/p_note.gif (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5453/news;_ylt=AoqLP4FHxDQsNsf26IJtIivsYNAF) (the No. 6 overall pick in the 2001 draft) and then build around those guys. Add Jackson and Magee to Glenn Dorsey (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8782/;_ylt=AtME0C2a3204cxra_XWH1OXsYNAF)http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/sp/fn/default/full/p_note.gif (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8782/news;_ylt=Au5NvxroKOVrF1uJsmDztUTsYNAF) from the 2008 draft and suddenly you have the makings of a monster line. Get a few linebackers to go with it and the Chiefs stand to have a terrific defense by 2010

SenselessChiefsFan
04-27-2009, 06:10 AM
Finally, an 'expert' who knows what he is talking about!

Sincerely,
Mr. Sunshine.

Tuckdaddy
04-27-2009, 06:12 AM
Finally, an 'expert' who knows what he is talking about!

Sincerely,
Mr. Sunshine.

Exactly. If yahoo sports says it was A draft then we can all relax and celebrate. They are the best in the business.

Warrior5
04-27-2009, 06:50 AM
Exactly. If yahoo sports says it was A draft then we can all relax and celebrate. They are the best in the business.

Agreed. I certainly feel much better now thanks to Yahoo.

Commence printing 'em.

Lex Luthor
04-27-2009, 07:16 AM
On the other hand, it is nice to see a unbiased source say that Scott Pioli didn't absolutely flush the draft down the toilet. Based upon what has been posted here the last 24 hours, you'd think Scott Pioli had just engineered the worst draft in the history of the NFL.

KcFanInGA
04-27-2009, 07:18 AM
On the other hand, it is nice to see a unbiased source say that Scott Pioli didn't absolutely flush the draft down the toilet. Based upon what has been posted here the last 24 hours, you'd think Scott Pioli had just engineered the worst draft in the history of the NFL.

Agreed. Totally.

Ultra Peanut
04-27-2009, 07:27 AM
I agree with this grade.

Brock
04-27-2009, 07:29 AM
Draft grades are stupid.

beer bacon
04-27-2009, 08:03 AM
Draft grades are stupid.

I saw a poll recently where most fans thought you couldn't judge a draft for three years. That sounds about right.

Sure-Oz
04-27-2009, 08:10 AM
I agree giving it a few years to see how it goes...i like that RB we drafted late and the WR.

ChiefMojo
04-27-2009, 08:59 AM
Most draft grades I've seen have put KC around a B. So the draft in the eyes of those that rate them have been a lot better than many of the FANS have rated.

Blindside58
04-27-2009, 09:07 AM
I have officially had to turn off sports talk radio and limit my web browsing due to pessimistic asshole fan opinions. From what I remember the Chiefs were in most of the games they lost and everyone blamed the losses on coaching and DE play. Well, We have new coaches and we drafted the best 3-4 DE available. We tried to draft down, but noone wanted our pick and the money it would tie up. We drafted a position that would earn the money paid if he turns out to be an all pro...unlike an all pro OLB. We did not need to pay a Rookie LT big money because we already have one and we can fill RT with a free agent pick-up or one of our youg O-lineman can step up and fill the void.

The reality is that we will not know for 3-5 years so all the bitching and bickering is senseless fodder. SO EVERYONE SHOULD SIT BACK AND WATCH!

Sure-Oz
04-27-2009, 09:07 AM
Who cares what yahoo thinks, i really want to know what Nick Athan thinks!1111

T-post Tom
04-27-2009, 09:11 AM
I have officially had to turn off sports talk radio and limit my web browsing due to pessimistic asshole fan opinions. From what I remember the Chiefs were in most of the games they lost and everyone blamed the losses on coaching and DE play. Well, We have new coaches and we drafted the best 3-4 DE available. We tried to draft down, but noone wanted our pick and the money it would tie up. We drafted a position that would earn the money paid if he turns out to be an all pro...unlike an all pro OLB. We did not need to pay a Rookie LT big money because we already have one and we can fill RT with a free agent pick-up or one of our youg O-lineman can step up and fill the void.

The reality is that we will not know for 3-5 years so all the bitching and bickering is senseless fodder. SO EVERYONE SHOULD SIT BACK AND WATCH!

Good post. Right as I was reading your post, Petro came on 810 and said that everyone keeps asking him what he thought of the draft. He said he has one answer: "Ask me in four years." That's about right. While this year's draft might not have the pop of last years draft action, I have a good feeling about the players selected. But again, only time will tell.

buddha
04-27-2009, 09:13 AM
I don't think it's an A-, but a good solid B sounds about right.

The negative Nellys aren't going to like this thread...!

Dave Lane
04-27-2009, 09:15 AM
Now the Raiders Now they have a right to bitch!!

Dave Lane
04-27-2009, 09:17 AM
Raiders:

Bottom line: F. This draft is another cry for help by the Raiders as they keep taking players based on outdated theories about what works in the NFL. While wide receivers and defensive backs are still important, they must be complete players. Neither Heyward-Bey nor Mitchell are anything close to complete. At best, Heyward-Bey was ranked as the No. 3 receiver in the draft by most qualified analysts and should have been drafted somewhere in the 20s, not at No. 7 overall as the first receiver. Likewise, Mitchell was considered a borderline prospect, someone who should have gone in the sixth or seventh round. Furthermore, this was the eighth time in the past nine years that the Raiders have used a first- or second-round pick on a defensive back. They wouldn’t have to do that if they would pick good ones.

OnTheWarpath58
04-27-2009, 09:18 AM
Raiders:

Bottom line: F. This draft is another cry for help by the Raiders as they keep taking players based on outdated theories about what works in the NFL. While wide receivers and defensive backs are still important, they must be complete players. Neither Heyward-Bey nor Mitchell are anything close to complete. At best, Heyward-Bey was ranked as the No. 3 receiver in the draft by most qualified analysts and should have been drafted somewhere in the 20s, not at No. 7 overall as the first receiver. Likewise, Mitchell was considered a borderline prospect, someone who should have gone in the sixth or seventh round. Furthermore, this was the eighth time in the past nine years that the Raiders have used a first- or second-round pick on a defensive back. They wouldn’t have to do that if they would pick good ones.


Kinda like the Chiefs and defensive linemen?

Sure-Oz
04-27-2009, 09:20 AM
Kinda like the Chiefs and defensive linemen?

ROFL

Raised On Riots
04-27-2009, 09:24 AM
Well that settles it then!



EXCELSIOR!!!!!! :rolleyes:

Buehler445
04-27-2009, 09:27 AM
Kinda like the Chiefs and defensive linemen?

Absolutely positively correct. Fortunately we got rid of our horrid, dumbass, never go away decision maker.

May Al Davis live forever.
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Rigodan
04-27-2009, 09:27 AM
I'd feel a lot better about this draft if we had gotten rid of Tim Krumrie and hired someone that is actually competent to coach the d-line.

Reerun_KC
04-27-2009, 09:28 AM
I don't think it's an A-, but a good solid B sounds about right.

The negative Nellys aren't going to like this thread...!

Thanks to threads, true fans and posts like this, lets me sleep at night knowing you guys will keep my Kleenex and Jergens stock at an all time high...

OnTheWarpath58
04-27-2009, 09:29 AM
I'd feel a lot better about this draft if we had gotten rid of Tim Krumrie and hired someone that is actually competent to coach the d-line.

This.

We just invested our first 2 picks on DL, and are asking Tim Krumrie to coach them.

Reerun_KC
04-27-2009, 09:29 AM
I'd feel a lot better about this draft if we had gotten rid of Tim Krumrie and hired someone that is actually competent to coach the d-line.

Excellent post!

We have spent tons on the DL and yet to have reap the rewards due to coaching or lack there of....

Raised On Riots
04-27-2009, 09:30 AM
I'd feel a lot better about this draft if we had gotten rid of Tim Krumrie and hired someone that is actually competent to coach the d-line.

No shit. Last night I was entertaining the idea of starting a poll as to when Krumrie would turn Jackson to useless mush.

Reerun_KC
04-27-2009, 09:31 AM
No shit. Last night I was entertaining the idea of starting a poll as to when Krumrie would turn Jackson to useless mush.

I bet Jackson and hand slap with the best of them...

Raised On Riots
04-27-2009, 09:33 AM
I bet Jackson and hand slap with the best of them...

LMAO

Live from Camp:

(Krumrie): LINE UP FOR PATTY CAKE DRILL MOTHERFUCKERS!!!!

SenselessChiefsFan
04-27-2009, 09:34 AM
Excellent post!

We have spent tons on the DL and yet to have reap the rewards due to coaching or lack there of....

Who did Jared Allen blossom under? I am not his biggest fan, but he hasn't been give a ton to work with. He took a fourth round pick and helped him become one of the best DE's in the NFL.

Reerun_KC
04-27-2009, 09:40 AM
Who did Jared Allen blossom under? I am not his biggest fan, but he hasn't been give a ton to work with. He took a fourth round pick and helped him become one of the best DE's in the NFL.

How many first day picks do we have to supply Mr Slap fight until he gets it right?

Thanks but no thanks non-sensible. We need a DL coach if we are going to be better kup front....

OnTheWarpath58
04-27-2009, 09:42 AM
How many first day picks do we have to supply Mr Slap fight until he gets it right?

Thanks but no thanks non-sensible. We need a DL coach if we are going to be better kup front....

No kidding.

ONE guy out of God knows how many that have been miserable on the DL in Krumrie's time here.

CoMoChief
04-27-2009, 09:51 AM
I'm pretty pissed off we passed up on Duke Robinson. I dont know why he fell so far?

He was a monster kickass guard at OU.

DeezNutz
04-27-2009, 09:57 AM
Who did Jared Allen blossom under? I am not his biggest fan, but he hasn't been give a ton to work with. He took a fourth round pick and helped him become one of the best DE's in the NFL.

What?

His entire line last year was comprised of first day picks, and it was atrocious.

buddha
04-27-2009, 10:02 AM
Thanks to threads, true fans and posts like this, lets me sleep at night knowing you guys will keep my Kleenex and Jergens stock at an all time high...

Thanks for sharing. I'm sure the stench of stale Jergens is always in your apartment.

Just keep trying to justify your continued existence on this planet, let alone as a Chiefs "fan". If it's all so bad, why bother? Return to your Jergens and your porn collection.

htismaqe
04-27-2009, 10:08 AM
I'm pretty pissed off we passed up on Duke Robinson. I dont know why he fell so far?

He was a monster kickass guard at OU.

Soft. Lacks drive. Unmotivated.

Those were some of the things mentioned on NFLN yesterday when he was picked.

htismaqe
04-27-2009, 10:16 AM
I think one of the reasons they didn't look at Robinson is because they believe we're set everywhere except RT. I think the fans and local media are the only ones that see a huge need at OG.

OnTheWarpath58
04-27-2009, 10:21 AM
I think one of the reasons they didn't look at Robinson is because they believe we're set everywhere except RT. I think the fans and local media are the only ones that see a huge need at OG.

If that's true, then wow. Just wow.

2 starting 30-somethings that seem to be on the decline, with absolutely nothing for depth behind them.

I'd love to get an honest answer from someone at Arrowhead regarding the OL.

Chiefnj2
04-27-2009, 10:21 AM
I think one of the reasons they didn't look at Robinson is because they believe we're set everywhere except RT. I think the fans and local media are the only ones that see a huge need at OG.

How old are Waters and Goff?

buddha
04-27-2009, 10:24 AM
Apparently, KC isn't the only front office with serious questions about the Duke. Personally, I think there are several positions of need along that line, but Duke Robinson isn't close to being the answer. He and the Big Load just leaned on people and opened holes. That won't work in the NFL. Robinson does not have good feet and isn't the guy we need, in all likelihood.

htismaqe
04-27-2009, 10:38 AM
How old are Waters and Goff?

Does it matter?

What we percieve as a need obviously isn't one to them.

htismaqe
04-27-2009, 10:39 AM
If that's true, then wow. Just wow.

2 starting 30-somethings that seem to be on the decline, with absolutely nothing for depth behind them.

I'd love to get an honest answer from someone at Arrowhead regarding the OL.

According to us, we have nothing for depth behind them. Perhaps Richardson is the player we thought he was coming out of the draft?

EyePod
04-27-2009, 10:56 AM
On the other hand, it is nice to see a unbiased source say that Scott Pioli didn't absolutely flush the draft down the toilet. Based upon what has been posted here the last 24 hours, you'd think Scott Pioli had just engineered the worst draft in the history of the NFL.

Nowhere to go but up baby!! This draft will be looked at better than the previous one just because our hopes for this one are so low and our hopes for the last one were unreacheable.

EyePod
04-27-2009, 10:59 AM
If that's true, then wow. Just wow.

2 starting 30-somethings that seem to be on the decline, with absolutely nothing for depth behind them.

I'd love to get an honest answer from someone at Arrowhead regarding the OL.

Goff was injured last year, and even if he is injured, he's better than Adrian Jones...

StcChief
04-27-2009, 11:04 AM
Yahoo says it.... Print 'em.

htismaqe
04-27-2009, 11:04 AM
Goff was injured last year, and even if he is injured, he's better than Adrian Jones...

My grandma is better than Adrian Jones.

OnTheWarpath58
04-27-2009, 11:05 AM
Goff was injured last year, and even if he is injured, he's better than Adrian Jones...

Better than bad does not equal good.

Just about anyone could be an upgrade to this roster.

Doesn't mean they'll be good players for us, only better than the trash that was here before.

I hope Goff plays well, I really do - but I'm not counting on it considering he has Niswanger on one side and McIntosh on the other.

htismaqe
04-27-2009, 11:14 AM
Better than bad does not equal good.

Just about anyone could be an upgrade to this roster.

Doesn't mean they'll be good players for us, only better than the trash that was here before.

I hope Goff plays well, I really do - but I'm not counting on it considering he has Niswanger on one side and McIntosh on the other.

Until the injuries last year, Goff was a solid player. If he's healthy, he'll be a significant upgrade.

Tyler Thigpen threw 18 TD's in a gimmick offense with Jones at RG. I don't see any reason to be THIS pessimistic. I can imagine that any of the guys people wanted on Day 2 of the draft would have been an upgrade.

Just Passin' By
04-27-2009, 11:30 AM
What?

His entire line last year was comprised of first day picks, and it was atrocious.

The D-line coach isn't the one drafting.

Chief Faithful
04-27-2009, 11:58 AM
Until the injuries last year, Goff was a solid player. If he's healthy, he'll be a significant upgrade.

Tyler Thigpen threw 18 TD's in a gimmick offense with Jones at RG. I don't see any reason to be THIS pessimistic. I can imagine that any of the guys people wanted on Day 2 of the draft would have been an upgrade.

Adrian Jones is the worst guard I've ever seen start a Chiefs game and I've been a fan since the 60's. To call Goff a significant upgrade is an understatement.

Chief Faithful
04-27-2009, 12:00 PM
Goff was injured last year, and even if he is injured, he's better than Adrian Jones...

Al Davis and his walker are better than Adrian Jones.

Reerun_KC
04-27-2009, 12:21 PM
Thanks for sharing. I'm sure the stench of stale Jergens is always in your apartment.

Just keep trying to justify your continued existence on this planet, let alone as a Chiefs "fan". If it's all so bad, why bother? Return to your Jergens and your porn collection.

Reading and basic comprehension isnt your strong suit huh?

Raised On Riots
04-27-2009, 12:25 PM
Reading and basic comprehension isnt your strong suit huh?

Must be Smed's Uncle-Father.

googlegoogle
04-27-2009, 12:31 PM
What were N.England's draft grades when Pioli was gm?

htismaqe
04-27-2009, 12:42 PM
Adrian Jones is the worst guard I've ever seen start a Chiefs game and I've been a fan since the 60's. To call Goff a significant upgrade is an understatement.

Exactly.

Adrian Jones is the worst RG I've seen on ANY team since I started watching football about 25 years ago.