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Mr. Krab
04-28-2009, 01:49 PM
Tyson jackson might be quality DE but he's not a big sack guy. I guess he does get some tackles for loss which is good. Magee is a decent enough pass rusher for a DT, what will he do at DE in a 3-4?

Washington isn't an interception or turnover guy. Brown, nope.

Williams isn't a big play guy and the tight end has barely played. A kicker?

So the wide receiver is the only big play, burst type guy we got in the draft? :(

<table style="width: 473px; height: 237px;" class="tablehead teamTop Tabular" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="colhead"> <td width="7%">RD</td> <td nowrap="nowrap" width="10%">PK (OVR)</td> <td>NAME</td> <td width="10%">POS</td> <td>SCHOOL</td> </tr> <!-- dp: 31 - DE --><tr class="oddrow"> <td>1</td> <td>3 (3)</td> <td>T. Jackson (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=24607)</td> <td>DE (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/position?id=31)</td> <td>LSU (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/school?id=2250) </td> </tr> <!-- dp: 32 - DT --><tr class="evenrow"> <td>3</td> <td>3 (67)</td> <td>A. Magee (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=24345)</td> <td>DT (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/position?id=32)</td> <td>Purdue (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/school?id=2358) </td> </tr> <!-- dp: 92 - CB --><tr class="oddrow"> <td>4</td> <td>2 (102)</td> <td>D. Washington (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=24742)</td> <td>CB (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/position?id=92)</td> <td>Ohio St (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/school?id=2344) </td> </tr> <!-- dp: 46 - OT --><tr class="evenrow"> <td>5</td> <td>3 (139)</td> <td>C. Brown (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=23884)</td> <td>OT (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/position?id=46)</td> <td>Missouri (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/school?id=2299) </td> </tr> <!-- dp: 1 - WR --><tr class="oddrow"> <td>6</td> <td>2 (175)</td> <td>Q. Lawrence (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=24558)</td> <td>WR (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/position?id=1)</td> <td>McNeese St (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/school?id=2286) </td> </tr> <!-- dp: 9 - RB --><tr class="evenrow"> <td>7</td> <td>3 (212)</td> <td>J. Williams (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=24401)</td> <td>RB (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/position?id=9)</td> <td>Tenn St (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/school?id=2430) </td> </tr> <!-- dp: 7 - TE --><tr class="oddrow"> <td>7</td> <td>28 (237)</td> <td>J. O'Connell (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=23965)</td> <td>TE (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/position?id=7)</td> <td>Miami (OH) (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/school?id=2290) </td> </tr> <!-- dp: 95 - K --><tr class="evenrow"> <td>7</td> <td>47 (256)</td> <td>R. Succop (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=24374)</td> <td>K (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/position?id=95)</td> <td>S Carolina (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/school?id=2406)
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DaneMcCloud
04-28-2009, 01:54 PM
If Tyson Jackson can swallow up blockers, the OLB's will be able to effectively rush the passer. That's his primary role.

If he can't, don't expect much improvement on the sack totals.

Spicy McHaggis
04-28-2009, 01:54 PM
I might be inclined to say that these guys, namely Jackson and Magee, are the types that will allow for the success of other players and make an impact in that manner.

Delano
04-28-2009, 01:58 PM
Hopefully Cassel is an impact player.

talastan
04-28-2009, 01:59 PM
We've had impact players the past 20 years, and how many Super Bowls have we won?

We need the lunchpail types first to establish our foundation and then we'll see what we've got in the way of impact IMO. While this draft defintely lacked any of the star-power, it was very efficient in the way of shoring up our biggest weakness, Defense. Jackson and Magee will add some meat to our D-line, hopefullly stopping the run and swallowing up some blockers so that our LB corp can make some plays. Brown will hopefully fulfill the role of our starting RT, and open up our run game. He already is an effective pass blocker as demonstrated at Missouri.

KCChiefsMan
04-28-2009, 02:03 PM
If Tyson Jackson can swallow up blockers, the OLB's will be able to effectively rush the passer. That's his primary role.

If he can't, don't expect much improvement on the sack totals.

ya, if the LBs are getting all the glory and getting sacks and the defense improves this draft will prove fine. My worry is that most fans will judge a #3 pick (and maybe rightly so) based purely on stats.

unothadeal
04-28-2009, 02:05 PM
When does training camp start?

beach tribe
04-28-2009, 02:08 PM
So you guys watched a lot of Brown at Mizzou right?

What do you guys think of this pick? Can he be our RT. He certainly has the size. How did he do. How many sack did he give up?

DaneMcCloud
04-28-2009, 02:13 PM
So you guys watched a lot of Brown at Mizzou right?

What do you guys think of this pick? Can he be our RT. He certainly has the size. How did he do. How many sack did he give up?

I honestly don't know much about him. The scouting reports were not favorable (he was the 58th rated OT in the entire draft) and as I mentioned on Sunday, I would have taken Herman Johnson at that point (he went to the Cardinals later in that round).

All we can do is hope, because he doesn't have experience in a Pro-Style offense and supposedly, he has poor footwork.

googlegoogle
04-28-2009, 02:38 PM
The wr cat has good hands in that video. Doesn't make any sense if he's that good.

Delano
04-28-2009, 03:05 PM
The wr cat has good hands in that video. Doesn't make any sense if he's that good.

Sure it makes sense.

He didn't play against great competition and was hampered by an injury last year. Broken ankle IIRC. May have been lingering injury concerns.

EyePod
04-28-2009, 03:07 PM
If Tyson Jackson can swallow up blockers, the OLB's will be able to effectively rush the passer. That's his primary role.

If he can't, don't expect much improvement on the sack totals.

I hope DJ is on the outside. He could be a menace with his speed...

htismaqe
04-28-2009, 03:12 PM
I honestly don't know much about him. The scouting reports were not favorable (he was the 58th rated OT in the entire draft) and as I mentioned on Sunday, I would have taken Herman Johnson at that point (he went to the Cardinals later in that round).

All we can do is hope, because he doesn't have experience in a Pro-Style offense and supposedly, he has poor footwork.

He played in the Texas vs. the Nation game in a pro-style offense (Gene Stallings was the coach) and apparently several teams walked away from it convinced that he wasn't just a spread tackle.

Also, the scouting reports say he's intelligent and a very hard worker, so he fits the mental profile.

DaneMcCloud
04-28-2009, 03:14 PM
I hope DJ is on the outside. He could be a menace with his speed...

It would have to be weakside.

I can't see him taking on tight ends.

Micjones
04-28-2009, 03:22 PM
I'm tired of style over substance football.
I'm fine with solid decisions that help sturdy the foundation of this team.
When LB's are flying all over the place wreaking havoc on QB's and ballcarriers Chiefs fans will understand the importance of players like Tyson Jackson.

Blindside58
04-28-2009, 03:24 PM
Of course he is!...Since I haven't seen any of the picks put on an NFL uniform as of yet I can easily say that he is the only real impact player we drafted, therefore you are a genious and should definitely create more threads with your brilliant takes!

MoreLemonPledge
04-28-2009, 03:24 PM
I'm tired of style over substance football.
I'm fine with solid decisions that help sturdy the foundation of this team.
When LB's are flying all over the place wreaking havoc on QB's and ballcarriers Chiefs fans will understand the importance of players like Tyson Jackson.

No way. The Raiders and Redskins have been doing great by drafting the biggest names. Right?

the Talking Can
04-28-2009, 03:25 PM
we had the worst run D in the league (or close)....if Jackson and Magee aren't huge impacts upon that I'd be shocked.......

And Cassel, well...how much more impact can you want?

beer bacon
04-28-2009, 03:46 PM
I am may need the term "impact player" defined for me. Anyways. we better never draft any more offensive linemen. Those bums hardly ever get TDs and I don't remember the last time a tackle had more than 1,000 yards rushing OR receiving.

beer bacon
04-28-2009, 03:48 PM
So you guys watched a lot of Brown at Mizzou right?

What do you guys think of this pick? Can he be our RT. He certainly has the size. How did he do. How many sack did he give up?

He is huge and he was Mizzou's best o-linemen. I really think he got downgraded for playing in the spread. The splits MU's o-linemen lined up with were usually atypically huge.

Comanche
04-28-2009, 04:21 PM
No way. The Raiders and Redskins have been doing great by drafting the biggest names. Right?

. . .and Hali was a "BIG name"?

MoreLemonPledge
04-28-2009, 04:23 PM
. . .and Hali was a "BIG name"?

No, but he would have been a hell of a value in the 4th round.

Brock
04-28-2009, 04:24 PM
I'm expecting Brown to be the day one starting RT, and to be damn good at it.

Mr. Krab
04-28-2009, 04:26 PM
I am may need the term "impact player" defined for me. Anyways. we better never draft any more offensive linemen. Those bums hardly ever get TDs and I don't remember the last time a tackle had more than 1,000 yards rushing OR receiving.
Smarty pants. :)

Every player is important and "impacts" the game, but there are certain types of players that a team needs to be the game changer. Touch downs,Turnovers Sacks, Big kick returns,30+ plays etc.

I didn't say we didn't draft good players but you really need several impact players if you want to win in the playoffs. Yes, we need to get to the playoffs first. :D

DaneMcCloud
04-28-2009, 04:27 PM
I'm expecting Brown to be the day one starting RT, and to be damn good at it.

Is that because you think he's capable or because McIntosh sucks?

beer bacon
04-28-2009, 04:27 PM
Smarty pants. :)

Every player is important and "impacts" the game, but there are certain types of players that a team needs to be the game changer. Touch downs,Turnovers Sacks, Big kick returns,30+ plays etc.

I didn't say we didn't draft good players but you really need several impact players if you want to win in the playoffs. Yes, we need to get to the playoffs first. :D

Big fat competent linemen are force multipliers.

Micjones
04-28-2009, 04:29 PM
I'm expecting Brown to be the day one starting RT, and to be damn good at it.

Day 1 starter? Really?
I was thinking he'd be more of a project who could contribute down the line maybe.

Fritz88
04-28-2009, 04:29 PM
If Tyson Jackson can swallow up blockers, the OLB's will be able to effectively rush the passer. That's his primary role.

If he can't, don't expect much improvement on the sack totals.

thank you. A lot of people have been overlooking this information.

Brock
04-28-2009, 04:31 PM
Is that because you think he's capable or because McIntosh sucks?

Well, I did say I expected him to be damn good. :p

The guy obviously has the size, and I suppose I'm biased by Pioli's good eye for linemen.

DaneMcCloud
04-28-2009, 04:34 PM
Well, I did say I expected him to be damn good. :p

The guy obviously has the size, and I suppose I'm biased by Pioli's good eye for linemen.

Okay, thanks.

the Talking Can
04-28-2009, 04:38 PM
I'm expecting Brown to be the day one starting RT, and to be damn good at it.

wow...that's the first endorsement i've heard for him...

obviously that would be a great pick, if true...

Mr. Krab
04-28-2009, 04:39 PM
Big fat competent linemen are force multipliers.Thank you, Marty "dontneednostinkQBorWR" Shottenheimer

DeezNutz
04-28-2009, 04:39 PM
Well, I did say I expected him to be damn good. :p

The guy obviously has the size, and I suppose I'm biased by Pioli's good eye for linemen.

FWIW, Kiper noted that he loved the 5th-round selection.

It's interesting, since this was the breaking point in a lot of the draft discussion around here. People went ape shit after this selection.

Brock
04-28-2009, 04:39 PM
Full disclosure, I thought Clady would suck.ROFL

Buehler445
04-28-2009, 04:42 PM
Oh fuck that "impact" bullshit. The only way an impact makes mediocre good is if the team is solid and lacks some explosiveness. Our team is NOT solid.
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aturnis
04-28-2009, 04:58 PM
I honestly don't know much about him. The scouting reports were not favorable (he was the 58th rated OT in the entire draft) and as I mentioned on Sunday, I would have taken Herman Johnson at that point (he went to the Cardinals later in that round).

All we can do is hope, because he doesn't have experience in a Pro-Style offense and supposedly, he has poor footwork.

My first thought would be that most ALL LT's are rated higher than most all RT's when lumped all together. Most teams will take a "decent" LT in a later round and move them to the right side. To me, it seems the Chiefs thinking here is, "Why move a LT, to RT. Just draft a RT". Therefore, he won't need time to get acquainted to the other side. Afterall, McIntosh seemed to make a better LT than RT, even though RT is the less important, easier to play side.

As for the footwork, some Mizzou fan's said it was surprisingly good for as big as he is. You would think it'd be good, he was a good enough athlete to play basketball, and supposedly, roundballer's are better athlete's than football players. Not to mention his footwork couldn't be any worse than Richardson's.

He played in the Texas vs. the Nation game in a pro-style offense (Gene Stallings was the coach) and apparently several teams walked away from it convinced that he wasn't just a spread tackle.

Also, the scouting reports say he's intelligent and a very hard worker, so he fits the mental profile.

He is also shown to be very versatile, doing whatever it took, or was asked of him to get to where he's at. He played DT and TE in H.S. Then went to Mizzou to play basketball, don't know if that worked out or not, but ended up as a walk on for the football team. Started at center, moved to left guard, was the backup at left tackle, the won the right tackle spot outright. He also played right guard in there somewhere. I'd think he should show to have a pretty high ceiling.