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Chiefshrink
04-28-2009, 01:27 PM
he will definitely be able to compete for the ball with all the big WR's-nooooo problem!!!! :thumb:


http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80f34fb5

KCChiefsMan
04-28-2009, 01:29 PM
he's definately a great athlete

Chiefshrink
04-28-2009, 01:30 PM
Standing long jump is almost out of the box. This kid could be the defensive version of Larry Fitzgerald. Great explosion!!!

Pablo
04-28-2009, 01:34 PM
Damn..dude pivots pretty f*ckin nice..and he's got hops.

Johnny Vegas
04-28-2009, 01:34 PM
what was that a 45" vert?

Pablo
04-28-2009, 01:35 PM
what was that a 45" vert?Yessir.

beach tribe
04-28-2009, 01:35 PM
Good value pick. This guy has the potential to put Carr in the nickel spot.

Pablo
04-28-2009, 01:36 PM
Good value pick. This guy has the potential to put Carr in the nickel spot.Yep..I gotta say with Flowers, Carr, Leggett, and now Washington in the DB position I'm pretty excited about the potential talent at the DB position for the next 6-10 years.

Johnny Vegas
04-28-2009, 01:40 PM
Yessir.

I can't believe he's only 6'0. Starter?

beach tribe
04-28-2009, 01:41 PM
Yep..I gotta say with Flowers, Carr, Leggett, and now Washington in the DB position I'm pretty excited about the potential talent at the DB position for the next 6-10 years.

Yepper.

Pablo
04-28-2009, 01:42 PM
I can't believe he's only 6'0. Starter?He could certainly contend for a starting spot with athletic ability like that.

Think he was a bit of an under-producer at OSU...didn't really live up to expectations.

loochy
04-28-2009, 01:43 PM
Yep..I gotta say with Flowers, Carr, Leggett, and now Washington in the DB position I'm pretty excited about the potential talent at the DB position for the next 6-10 years.

That's great hopefully they can hold coverage for the 15 to 20 seconds it takes our line to get pressure on the QB........

Pablo
04-28-2009, 01:44 PM
That's great hopefully they can hold coverage for the 15 to 20 seconds it takes our line to get pressure on the QB........Yep..hopefully.

beach tribe
04-28-2009, 01:45 PM
WOW. Just watched the whole vid. This guy could be a steal. He looks great.

Valiant
04-28-2009, 01:47 PM
Yep..I gotta say with Flowers, Carr, Leggett, and now Washington in the DB position I'm pretty excited about the potential talent at the DB position for the next 6-10 years.

If we don't get pressure it is a moot point..

DaneMcCloud
04-28-2009, 01:47 PM
Let's just hope he doesn't make Westport and The Plaza his number one priority.

Valiant
04-28-2009, 01:48 PM
WOW. Just watched the whole vid. This guy could be a steal. He looks great.

Well hopefully it translates onto the field.. Bigger WR should be able to push him around at his size, so he will have to use his intangibles to get around that..

beach tribe
04-28-2009, 01:49 PM
If we don't get pressure it is a moot point..

I think we are going to get more pressure than we did last year. If Vrabel is healthy, he can pull 9 sacks, and generate pressure. Hopefully someone else will emerge in our new scheme.

Mr. Arrowhead
04-28-2009, 01:55 PM
Hes a champ bailey type of corner athletically, he just prolly needs a year to develop. This could end up being one of our better picks

Fish
04-28-2009, 01:57 PM
Good value pick. This guy has the potential to put Carr in the nickel spot.

I haven't been overly impressed with Carr. I could see Washington supplanting him if his measurables transfer to the field....

Direckshun
04-28-2009, 02:02 PM
Good fucking lord, that's outrageous.

Anybody else see how he just floats in the air at the end of that final drill?

DaWolf
04-28-2009, 02:04 PM
Let's just hope his head is screwed on straight. He's got the ability...

Mr. Krab
04-28-2009, 02:06 PM
I'm not trying to be Debbie Downer, but how can i guy that athletic only have 3 ints and 4 pass defenses in his entire career?


Stats

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htismaqe
04-28-2009, 02:13 PM
I'm not trying to be Debbie Downer, but how can i guy that athletic only have 3 ints and 4 pass defenses in his entire career?

He's raw and undisciplined. So much so that he got benched while at tOSU. I think he's a great prospect, perhaps even a potential #1 CB in the league, but not right away.

Molitoth
04-28-2009, 02:25 PM
I'm not trying to be Debbie Downer, but how can i guy that athletic only have 3 ints and 4 pass defenses in his entire career?


Maybe they didn't throw to his side so much.? I really don't know.

MOhillbilly
04-28-2009, 02:29 PM
my uncle related me a story about when the titans drafted jevon kearse. said when kearse came into the workout room one of the coaches aske how high his vert. was. kearse replied how high is the drop ceiling, steve waters said it was about 12 ft. kearse palmed it.

gta0012
04-28-2009, 02:30 PM
Wow. I really like this guy. Hopefully we can develop him. Our DB's are nasty. I'm actually getting excited about the youth on this team. We'll have to see how this draft class pans out.

Micjones
04-28-2009, 02:50 PM
my uncle related me a story about when the titans drafted jevon kearse. said when kearse came into the workout room one of the coaches aske how high his vert. was. kearse replied how high is the drop ceiling, steve waters said it was about 12 ft. kearse palmed it.

:eek:
Insane!

SBK
04-28-2009, 02:56 PM
My bro-in-law is a die hard Buckeye, he texted me the second we drafted him and said "steal of the draft"....

ChiefsRoyalsMizzou
04-28-2009, 02:59 PM
holy sh** :eek:

CoMoChief
04-28-2009, 03:33 PM
Our defense will suck for a couple more seasons IMO.

MOhillbilly
04-28-2009, 03:35 PM
Our defense will suck for a couple more seasons IMO.

i dont think so. i believe by mid season KC will be around 15th in total D. loads of talent on this team,believe it or not.

Mr. Krab
04-28-2009, 03:37 PM
Our talent level isn't going to be significantly different this year. It will be a good experiment about coaching vrs talent.

MOhillbilly
04-28-2009, 03:39 PM
Our talent level isn't going to be significantly different this year. It will be a good experiment about coaching vrs talent.

true but i got the feel that the D was was just as tired of gun as the fans. like a black fog over the team.

RustShack
04-28-2009, 03:39 PM
Our talent level isn't going to be significantly different this year. It will be a good experiment about coaching vrs talent.

Our talent wasn't terrible last year, the coaching was. Jackson, Magee, Washington, Daniels, Thomas, Vrabel, Robertson, Mays, and Beisel are pretty big upgrades over what we had too.

shitgoose
04-28-2009, 03:39 PM
i dont think so. i believe by mid season KC will be around 15th in total D. loads of talent on this team,believe it or not.

I think it hinges on the transition to a 3-4. We have some leadership now with Vrabel and Thomas. Hopefully DJ plays to his potential and the guys on our line spend more time on the opposing teams line of scrimmage.

Fritz88
04-28-2009, 03:39 PM
The guy's got potential.

MOhillbilly
04-28-2009, 03:41 PM
I think it hinges on the transition to a 3-4. We have some leadership now with Vrabel and Thomas. Hopefully DJ plays to his potential and the guys on our line spend more time on the opposing teams line of scrimmage.

its why i said by mid season. it also depends on how the offense does throwing the ball. if the O is something crazy like top ten/five itll hurt the Ds numbers. i agree though there is some leadership in place and a new start gets everybody amped.

I think KC will suprise some people this next year.

wasi
04-28-2009, 03:42 PM
Our talent level isn't going to be significantly different this year. It will be a good experiment about coaching vrs talent.

I could live with saying the talent level might be the same or slightly higher than last year. However, I think there will be improvement because the rookies last year will have had an entire offseason to condition themselves and hopefully they learned to apply their talent (albeit marginal in some cases) better than last year as rookies.

I also think having the likes of Thomas and Vrabel on the field will help. I see improvement happening.

Fritz88
04-28-2009, 03:42 PM
I'm not trying to be Debbie Downer, but how can i guy that athletic only have 3 ints and 4 pass defenses in his entire career?


Stats

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True. But he can be coached. That's my only consolation.

shitgoose
04-28-2009, 03:46 PM
its why i said by mid season. it also depends on how the offense does throwing the ball. if the O is something crazy like top ten/five itll hurt the Ds numbers. i agree though there is some leadership in place and a new start gets everybody amped.

I think KC will suprise some people this next year.

I hope your right. It would be nice to see the team progress as the season goes on compared to them sucking all season long like the last two years.

Brock
04-28-2009, 03:47 PM
Getting rid of Herm and Gunther should easily translate into two wins by itself.

Cosmos
04-28-2009, 10:18 PM
I'm not trying to be Debbie Downer, but how can i guy that athletic only have 3 ints and 4 pass defenses in his entire career?


Stats

<table border="1" bordercolor="#e4e4e4" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center" width="13%">Season Year</td> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center" width="7%">GP</td> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center" width="7%">GS</td> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center" width="7%">Solo</td> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center" width="7%">Asst</td> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center" width="7%">TT</td> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center" width="7%">TFL</td> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center" width="7%">Sacks</td> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center" width="7%">FF</td> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center" width="7%">FR</td> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center" width="7%">INTs</td> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center" width="7%">PD</td> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center" width="7%">QBH</td> </tr><tr bgcolor="#eaeeee"> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center">'06-'07</td> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center">13</td> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center">9</td> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center">28</td> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center">13</td> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center">41</td> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center">1</td> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center">---</td> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center">2</td> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center">---</td> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center">1</td> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center">1</td> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center">1</td> </tr><tr bgcolor="#f5f5f5"> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center">'07-'08</td> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center">13</td> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center">13</td> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center">29</td> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center">10</td> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center">39</td> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center">2</td> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center">1</td> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center">---</td> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center">1</td> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center">1</td> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center">2</td> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center">---</td> </tr><tr bgcolor="#eaeeee"> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center">'08-'09</td> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center">13</td> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center">10</td> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center">18</td> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center">4</td> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center">22</td> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center">---</td> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center">---</td> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center">---</td> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center">1</td> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center">1</td> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center">1</td> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center">---</td> </tr><tr bgcolor="#f5f5f5"> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center">'09-'10</td> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center">---</td> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center">---</td> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center">---</td> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center">---</td> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center">---</td> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center">---</td> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center">---</td> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center">---</td> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center">---</td> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center">---</td> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center">---</td> <td style="font-size: 12px;" align="center">---</td></tr></tbody></table>

Only 9 reps on the bench press...

FD
04-28-2009, 10:49 PM
Asante Samuel was taken in the 4th round too, I believe.

Thanks for the vid.

KCinNY
04-28-2009, 10:53 PM
Getting rid of Herm and Gunther should easily translate into two wins by itself.

At least.

6-10 should be automatic with competent coaching.

Sure-Oz
04-28-2009, 10:56 PM
Man they better coach this kid up, he could do great things

Red Beans
04-29-2009, 06:20 AM
His physical skills border on the retarded!

KcFanInGA
04-29-2009, 06:29 AM
I am feelin this guy, what a steal, if we coach him right.

SenselessChiefsFan
04-29-2009, 06:42 AM
Our talent level isn't going to be significantly different this year. It will be a good experiment about coaching vrs talent.

I think this team will be much different. Think about it. We have two new starting linebackers, our top backup (Beisel) is new.

Chiefs have two new defensive linemen. Plus, the biggest part of it all will be experience. Dorsey, Flowers and Carr, all legitamite starters last year, will be much better.

There are still many questions, but tons of reasons for optimism too.

SenselessChiefsFan
04-29-2009, 06:44 AM
I hope your right. It would be nice to see the team progress as the season goes on compared to them sucking all season long like the last two years.

HEY... the Chiefs IMPROVED over the last season... they sucked less at the end of the season than they sucked at the beginning... still sucked.... but less.

htismaqe
04-29-2009, 07:17 AM
I know people don't like the thought of going 8-8, but I learned my lesson on Saturday - we DO NOT WANT to ever pick in the Top 5 again.

I have this team going 7-9. I think a change in attitude and better coaching, along with the subtle talent upgrades we've made, are good for 4-5 more wins. I think we NEED to win at least 6 games to avoid the shitty scenario we had this year.

Pablo
04-29-2009, 07:19 AM
I know people don't like the thought of going 8-8, but I learned my lesson on Saturday - we DO NOT WANT to ever pick in the Top 5 again.

Unless we need a Franchise QB or a LT. Which we don't.

I'd like to think the Chiefs can win 7 games next year, but the schedule is just brutal, and we're going to be implementing all new offensive and defensive schemes with a totally new staff and a host of new players. I'm going to stay cautiously optomistic, and go with 5-11, hoping for 7-9.

htismaqe
04-29-2009, 07:22 AM
I haven't been overly impressed with Carr. I could see Washington supplanting him if his measurables transfer to the field....

He's a hard worker and a smart player, but that will only take you so far. I said it the minute they drafted Washington - there's one thing on his bio that stands out against the other guys on the roster.

He's a legitimate 6' tall.

I'm a little bit concerned that the new GM and coaching staff have some "things" in their profile that they're going to stick to regardless of whether or not they make much sense.

milkman
04-29-2009, 07:26 AM
I know people don't like the thought of going 8-8, but I learned my lesson on Saturday - we DO NOT WANT to ever pick in the Top 5 again.

I have this team going 7-9. I think a change in attitude and better coaching, along with the subtle talent upgrades we've made, are good for 4-5 more wins. I think we NEED to win at least 6 games to avoid the shitty scenario we had this year.

Best case scenario, these guys win 6 games.

But if I were predicting right now, I'd say 4 wins.

htismaqe
04-29-2009, 07:28 AM
Unless we need a Franchise QB or a LT. Which we don't.

We had needs at pretty much every position this last draft and it was still a problem. It's no longer about need - the salaries are so out of control that it's just not worth it.

I'd like to think the Chiefs can win 7 games next year, but the schedule is just brutal, and we're going to be implementing all new offensive and defensive schemes with a totally new staff and a host of new players. I'm going to stay cautiously optomistic, and go with 5-11, hoping for 7-9.

I don't put in any stock in schedules anymore. Every year there's a half dozen or more teams that dramatically underperform or overperform compared to expectations.

EyePod
04-29-2009, 07:35 AM
Standing long jump is almost out of the box. This kid could be the defensive version of Larry Fitzgerald. Great explosion!!!

He already jumps higher than Larry Fitz (from USA Today in 2005), Larry had a vert of 35.5".... I can't believe that's right though especially with this guy having a 45" vert... either way I'm excited to see what he can do.

El Jefe
04-29-2009, 02:05 PM
He could certainly contend for a starting spot with athletic ability like that.

Think he was a bit of an under-producer at OSU...didn't really live up to expectations.

Yea he was, he lived in Malcolm Jenkins shadow. Donald is a ridiculous athlete, and should definetely bump Carr out of his spot. He is a little unpolished but has all the tools necessary to be a very good player in the NFL.

CoMoChief
04-29-2009, 02:08 PM
i dont think so. i believe by mid season KC will be around 15th in total D. loads of talent on this team,believe it or not.

Jesus Christ how many years now have people on this board have been saying this?

CoMoChief
04-29-2009, 02:09 PM
Our talent wasn't terrible last year, the coaching was. Jackson, Magee, Washington, Daniels, Thomas, Vrabel, Robertson, Mays, and Beisel are pretty big upgrades over what we had too.

Beisel was here once and he sucked. I cant see how people think he's going to do any better this time around.

CoMoChief
04-29-2009, 02:11 PM
I know people don't like the thought of going 8-8, but I learned my lesson on Saturday - we DO NOT WANT to ever pick in the Top 5 again.

Not when you have a weak top 1st rd which is what I've been saying all along.

We needed to trade down and didn't because others didn't think anyone was really worth #3 money.

There wasn't a Mario Williams, Calvin Johnson, Adrian Peterson, anyone like that in this seasons draft. I mean Aaron Curry was listed as the best draft prospect for crying out loud.

Mr. Krab
04-29-2009, 04:11 PM
I know people don't like the thought of going 8-8, but I learned my lesson on Saturday - we DO NOT WANT to ever pick in the Top 5 again.

I have this team going 7-9. I think a change in attitude and better coaching, along with the subtle talent upgrades we've made, are good for 4-5 more wins. I think we NEED to win at least 6 games to avoid the shitty scenario we had this year.I don't know about that. Many times there are elite skill type players to be had in the top 5. This year's draft just sucked. Beside i think the next CBA contains some kind of rookie pay scale which will make the top 8 draft picks much easier to deal with and much more valuable in terms of trading.

Raised On Riots
04-29-2009, 04:19 PM
That'll definitely work.

htismaqe
04-29-2009, 04:47 PM
I don't know about that. Many times there are elite skill type players to be had in the top 5. This year's draft just sucked. Beside i think the next CBA contains some kind of rookie pay scale which will make the top 8 draft picks much easier to deal with and much more valuable in terms of trading.

The next CBA won't contain any such thing. The players aren't just gonna cave like everybody thinks they will. They already get far less of the cut than players in other sports.

Next year's rookie salaries stand to be even worse than this year's.

aturnis
04-29-2009, 06:58 PM
The next CBA won't contain any such thing. The players aren't just gonna cave like everybody thinks they will. They already get far less of the cut than players in other sports.

Next year's rookie salaries stand to be even worse than this year's.

I disagree. I don't think any veteran likes seeing a first day employee making more than they do. Next years rookies are not a part of the players union. Who's going to speak on their behalf?

The less money that is spent on rookies, the more that can go to veterans.

htismaqe
04-29-2009, 07:07 PM
I disagree. I don't think any veteran likes seeing a first day employee making more than they do. Next years rookies are not a part of the players union. Who's going to speak on their behalf?

The less money that is spent on rookies, the more that can go to veterans.

The players want a bigger cut of the pie - the vets don't want to take money from the rookies, they want to take it from the OWNERS. And if you don't think veterans use rookie salaries as a bargaining tool, you're kidding yourself. If less money is spent on rookies, the vets lose part of their leverage for bigger contracts.

PGM
04-29-2009, 07:20 PM
We had needs at pretty much every position this last draft and it was still a problem. It's no longer about need - the salaries are so out of control that it's just not worth it.



I don't put in any stock in schedules anymore. Every year there's a half dozen or more teams that dramatically underperform or overperform compared to expectations.

I laugh every time I read about how "difficult" or "easy" someone's schedule is the next year. Injuries, player development, player regression and coaching changes will cause dramatic changes like they do every year.

Tribal Warfare
04-29-2009, 07:22 PM
Good value pick. This guy has the potential to put Carr in the nickel spot.

or maybe FS

htismaqe
04-29-2009, 07:52 PM
or maybe FS

Some of the scouting reports listed him as a safety.

soundmind
04-29-2009, 09:16 PM
I laugh every time I read about how "difficult" or "easy" someone's schedule is the next year. Injuries, player development, player regression and coaching changes will cause dramatic changes like they do every year.

As do I, but you have to admit - at first glance, this years schedule looks hellish.

Tribal Warfare
04-29-2009, 09:40 PM
Some of the scouting reports listed him as a safety.

Their you go then

gta0012
04-29-2009, 10:27 PM
As do I, but you have to admit - at first glance, this years schedule looks hellish.

Injuries or not I'm also an eagles fan and the NFC is never an easy division to play.

alanm
04-29-2009, 10:55 PM
I'm not trying to be Debbie Downer, but how can i guy that athletic only have 3 ints and 4 pass defenses in his entire career?


Stats

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It might have to do with Ohio St's TOP. Maybe the defense wasn't on the field as long. Who knows? And as someone mentioned maybe they stayed away from him.