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Tribal Warfare
04-28-2009, 11:23 PM
Fired Chiefs scouts were good football people
(http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chiefs/story/1168318.html)
Thereís a perception out there among Chiefs fans that the Chiefs had a lousy group of scouts, given their spotty draft record over the years. But I can tell you from talking to people around the league about the Chiefs scouts that they had a good group; these were well-respected people.

Iím using the past tense here because the Chiefs fired a number of their college scouts, and among those fired was Chuck Cook, the director of college scouting.

Now, thereís no arguing the Chiefs have had some spotty drafts over the years, but for that you can blame Carl Peterson, who was in charge and made the final call. I can tell you some instances where the Chiefs went against their draft board to reach for a player at a position of need and it just didnít work out. Thatís the kind of thing that gets you into trouble on draft day.

Now, Scott Pioli came in, he wants his own people in there and you canít blame him for that. I think a lot of these scouts knew this day was coming. But donít cast a negative eye toward them because of this. Theyíre all good football people, and theyíll all stay in the business if thatís what they choose to do.

Famous miss

Back in early March, juco big man Jarrid Famous visited Columbia and attended the MU-OU game. Famous was said to be high on Mizzou, and with Mike Anderson still having a pair of scholarships available, it seemed like a good match. Howíd that work out?

It didnít. According to the various recruiting tidbits I read, Famous had narrowed his choices to Mizzou, Xavier, South Florida and Villanova. Famous is apparently talented enough that he would have been the best big-man recruit in Columbia since Doug Smith.

So it would have been quite a coup for Anderson to land Famous. It would have also been reassuring for those like me that still have lingering doubts about Andersonís ability to make inroads on a higher level of the recruiting game.

As it turned out, Famous took a visit to Arizona after Xavierís Sean Miller took the coaching job in Tucson. Immediately upon returning home, Famous met with South Florida coach Stan Heath. If you read between the lines of the reports, Heath was basically waiting on Famousí doorstep. In short order, Famous signed a letter of intent.

Where was Anderson during all of this? Who knows? The bottom line is that Mizzou, coming off a high-profile triumph, lost out to South Florida on a prime recruit.

Along the same lines, mega-recruit DeMarcus Cousins came back into play when John Calipari defected from Memphis to Kentucky. Cousins was once believed to have included Mizzou in his ďfinal fourĒ ó a group that did not include Kentucky. However, when Calipari left, Cousins followed. The moral: Itís the coach that wins the recruit, not the school. And thatís why I find it troubling that Anderson was not able to close on Jarrid Famous.

DaneMcCloud
04-28-2009, 11:28 PM
I'm guessing that since the Star had a recent downsizing, Adam's been given other sports to cover, in which he'll equally suck at?

Nice.

SNR
04-29-2009, 12:01 AM
Good Lord. I thought Gretz was Gretz, but now Teicher?

It's almost as if these people received blowjobs from Chuck Cook and his staff every week.

L.A. Chieffan
04-29-2009, 12:04 AM
22 guys bitches

Reaper16
04-29-2009, 12:51 AM
I'm guessing that since the Star had a recent downsizing, Adam's been given other sports to cover, in which he'll equally suck at?

Nice.
That didn't sound right, so I went over to the Star's website. The part about MU Bball was written by Bradford Doolittle on his Upon Further Review blog for the Star. Teicher's bit about the scouts was from his Chiefs vlog. Both were complied in a thing called "daily download," which Tribal linked to without telling anybody what it was.

LaChapelle
04-29-2009, 05:39 AM
Vermeil cried, and called them men.

Smed1065
04-29-2009, 05:46 AM
That didn't sound right, so I went over to the Star's website. The part about MU Bball was written by Bradford Doolittle on his Upon Further Review blog for the Star. Teicher's bit about the scouts was from his Chiefs vlog. Both were complied in a thing called "daily download," which Tribal linked to without telling anybody what it was.

Sucked all no contacts...

the Talking Can
04-29-2009, 06:08 AM
I can tell you some instances where the Chiefs went against their draft board to reach for a player at a position of need and it just didnít work out.


um, ok....so fucking tell us....

you're a journalist...quit hiding secrets, you don't work for the Chiefs....

amazing how in the bag KC "news" people are....

BigRedChief
04-29-2009, 06:15 AM
so they told King Carl and King Carl ignorned them? These were the sources for the "journalists" in town and now they are gone and the "journalists" are ticked off.


anyone remember anything of consequence that was broken by Teicher in the 10-12 years as the beat reporter for the Chiefs? He should have had everything broken. He is a lazy chit.

SenselessChiefsFan
04-29-2009, 06:56 AM
As much as I will get flamed, Teicher is right. CP gave his coaches WAY too much say in the draft. You ask a DC what his favorite player is, oh, and he happens to need a DT badly, who is surprised that he will say Junior Siavii?

Now, this did in fact change when Herm was brought on board. Things were reorganized which is why the last three drafts, while not spectacular, were still MUCH better than the five prior to them.

I have no doubt that the guys they let go are among the better scouts in the league. They will get snapped up quickly.

But, much like the trade of Tony Gonzalez, it is about more than just the 'talent'. It is about the culture. Pioli wants guys that will totally buy into the way he does things. Anyone who has ever taken an established organization of any kind (and, I don't care if it is the PTA at the local school, or Ford Motor Co.), there are guys (and gals) that believe the old way was better. They fight you on details, those that are too cowardly to challenge you to your face will bicker amongst each other and undermine your leadership.

Make no mistake that the people let go were not let go because they can't do the job. They were let go because Scott Pioli can't work against that much of a tide.

Now, you can flame me for my information, but if you go back two years and read about the drafts, you will find verification of what I said regarding Herm's complete restructuring of the scouting department. This was because Herm was a scout and put more faith into what the scouts said.

I expect this to go even further given that Haley's dad is a scout and that Haley was a scout.

Hoover
04-29-2009, 07:05 AM
Look, the NFL is a business and while I'm sure these guys are all good football men Pioli has the right to bring in his own team. I also agree that Herm drafted better players than our other coaches. Its too bad he couldn't coach a game to save his life.

Finally we have a GM in KC who is running the football organization, not just the business dealings of the team. Make no mistake, this is Scott Pioli's team and Todd Haley just gets to coach it.

We are making a radical change on both sides of the ball. Its not all going to be smooth, but I think it is what will make this team a champion one day and that is all I really care about.

htismaqe
04-29-2009, 07:07 AM
so they told King Carl and King Carl ignorned them? These were the sources for the "journalists" in town and now they are gone and the "journalists" are ticked off.


anyone remember anything of consequence that was broken by Teicher in the 10-12 years as the beat reporter for the Chiefs? He should have had everything broken. He is a lazy chit.

The admission that he's a huge Raiders fan?

Otter
04-29-2009, 07:07 AM
Becoming respectable is hard to do sometimes ladies. :deevee:

milkman
04-29-2009, 07:08 AM
I always thought that Chuck Cook was a better football man than Carl, and the coaches that Carl listened to.

milkman
04-29-2009, 07:09 AM
As much as I will get flamed, Teicher is right. CP gave his coaches WAY too much say in the draft. You ask a DC what his favorite player is, oh, and he happens to need a DT badly, who is surprised that he will say Junior Siavii?

Now, this did in fact change when Herm was brought on board. Things were reorganized which is why the last three drafts, while not spectacular, were still MUCH better than the five prior to them.

I have no doubt that the guys they let go are among the better scouts in the league. They will get snapped up quickly.

But, much like the trade of Tony Gonzalez, it is about more than just the 'talent'. It is about the culture. Pioli wants guys that will totally buy into the way he does things. Anyone who has ever taken an established organization of any kind (and, I don't care if it is the PTA at the local school, or Ford Motor Co.), there are guys (and gals) that believe the old way was better. They fight you on details, those that are too cowardly to challenge you to your face will bicker amongst each other and undermine your leadership.

Make no mistake that the people let go were not let go because they can't do the job. They were let go because Scott Pioli can't work against that much of a tide.

Now, you can flame me for my information, but if you go back two years and read about the drafts, you will find verification of what I said regarding Herm's complete restructuring of the scouting department. This was because Herm was a scout and put more faith into what the scouts said.

I expect this to go even further given that Haley's dad is a scout and that Haley was a scout.

I won't flame, because as much as it pains me to say this, I agree.

htismaqe
04-29-2009, 07:11 AM
As much as I will get flamed, Teicher is right. CP gave his coaches WAY too much say in the draft. You ask a DC what his favorite player is, oh, and he happens to need a DT badly, who is surprised that he will say Junior Siavii?

Now, this did in fact change when Herm was brought on board. Things were reorganized which is why the last three drafts, while not spectacular, were still MUCH better than the five prior to them.

I have no doubt that the guys they let go are among the better scouts in the league. They will get snapped up quickly.

But, much like the trade of Tony Gonzalez, it is about more than just the 'talent'. It is about the culture. Pioli wants guys that will totally buy into the way he does things. Anyone who has ever taken an established organization of any kind (and, I don't care if it is the PTA at the local school, or Ford Motor Co.), there are guys (and gals) that believe the old way was better. They fight you on details, those that are too cowardly to challenge you to your face will bicker amongst each other and undermine your leadership.

Make no mistake that the people let go were not let go because they can't do the job. They were let go because Scott Pioli can't work against that much of a tide.

Now, you can flame me for my information, but if you go back two years and read about the drafts, you will find verification of what I said regarding Herm's complete restructuring of the scouting department. This was because Herm was a scout and put more faith into what the scouts said.

I expect this to go even further given that Haley's dad is a scout and that Haley was a scout.

I think alot of people would agree with you - there's many here that thought the Chiefs did better on the 2nd day of the draft with considerable consistency, and the thought was that it was because on Day 2, the scouts, not the COACHES, were providing the input into the picks.

I don't think many will flame you for what you said above, primarily because it's outside of the general tenor of the thread, the Teicher article, and the Bob Gretz article from yesterday - these guys are GENUINELY BITTER about Carl Peterson and all of his people being gone, and it's laughable.

HemiEd
04-29-2009, 07:44 AM
As much as I will get flamed, Teicher is right. CP gave his coaches WAY too much say in the draft. You ask a DC what his favorite player is, oh, and he happens to need a DT badly, who is surprised that he will say Junior Siavii?

Now, this did in fact change when Herm was brought on board. Things were reorganized which is why the last three drafts, while not spectacular, were still MUCH better than the five prior to them.

I have no doubt that the guys they let go are among the better scouts in the league. They will get snapped up quickly.

But, much like the trade of Tony Gonzalez, it is about more than just the 'talent'. It is about the culture. Pioli wants guys that will totally buy into the way he does things. Anyone who has ever taken an established organization of any kind (and, I don't care if it is the PTA at the local school, or Ford Motor Co.), there are guys (and gals) that believe the old way was better. They fight you on details, those that are too cowardly to challenge you to your face will bicker amongst each other and undermine your leadership.

Make no mistake that the people let go were not let go because they can't do the job. They were let go because Scott Pioli can't work against that much of a tide.

Now, you can flame me for my information, but if you go back two years and read about the drafts, you will find verification of what I said regarding Herm's complete restructuring of the scouting department. This was because Herm was a scout and put more faith into what the scouts said.

I expect this to go even further given that Haley's dad is a scout and that Haley was a scout.

Yep, lots of truth here.

Coogs
04-29-2009, 07:45 AM
Now, thereís no arguing the Chiefs have had some spotty drafts over the years, but for that you can blame Carl Peterson, who was in charge and made the final call. I can tell you some instances where the Chiefs went against their draft board to reach for a player at a position of need and it just didnít work out. Thatís the kind of thing that gets you into trouble on draft day.

Interestingly enough, that appears to be the same thing we did Saturday. Time will tell.

Chiefnj2
04-29-2009, 08:03 AM
um, ok....so ****ing tell us....

you're a journalist...quit hiding secrets, you don't work for the Chiefs....

amazing how in the bag KC "news" people are....

When I first read that line, I said "wow, he's going to shed some light on some great inside info". Then he let it completely drop. What a hack.

Deberg_1990
04-29-2009, 08:07 AM
As much as I will get flamed, Teicher is right. CP gave his coaches WAY too much say in the draft. You ask a DC what his favorite player is, oh, and he happens to need a DT badly, who is surprised that he will say Junior Siavii?

Now, this did in fact change when Herm was brought on board. Things were reorganized which is why the last three drafts, while not spectacular, were still MUCH better than the five prior to them.

I have no doubt that the guys they let go are among the better scouts in the league. They will get snapped up quickly.

But, much like the trade of Tony Gonzalez, it is about more than just the 'talent'. It is about the culture. Pioli wants guys that will totally buy into the way he does things. Anyone who has ever taken an established organization of any kind (and, I don't care if it is the PTA at the local school, or Ford Motor Co.), there are guys (and gals) that believe the old way was better. They fight you on details, those that are too cowardly to challenge you to your face will bicker amongst each other and undermine your leadership.

Make no mistake that the people let go were not let go because they can't do the job. They were let go because Scott Pioli can't work against that much of a tide.

Now, you can flame me for my information, but if you go back two years and read about the drafts, you will find verification of what I said regarding Herm's complete restructuring of the scouting department. This was because Herm was a scout and put more faith into what the scouts said.

I expect this to go even further given that Haley's dad is a scout and that Haley was a scout.

Well said. Not many would argue that these were good men doing decent work. IM sure they will find jobs again soon.

The Chiefs in the Peterson era always found decent talent in the lower rounds, so somebody out there was doing good work.

ChiefMojo
04-29-2009, 08:21 AM
I to agree we had some very good football men in KC. Just sadly they were ruled against more times than not by Carl and the coaches. Cook, Farmer, and Kurharich were very good at what they did, but we did need new blood and for everyone to be on the same page as Pioli. Don't be to sad for these guys, they will find jobs very quickly, if not already.

The reason the media is so butt hurt about the loss of Carl is the fact the Chiefs organization catered to the media. I know there are many like Athan that could just walk into any of the top level people's offices and talk about anything Chiefs. That doesn't work anymore and the media itself hates it.