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KCChiefsMan
04-29-2009, 09:16 AM
But you have to be an insider, you gotta pay for that type of special information. Who's it gonna be?

Brock
04-29-2009, 09:16 AM
I suppose they're talking about Laboy. :shrug:

Short Leash Hootie
04-29-2009, 09:18 AM
probably floating the Anquan rumor...ESPN Inside is a joke...that's why they practically give it away.

Toadkiller
04-29-2009, 09:18 AM
Jason Taylor

******

One team whose rumored interest still lingers in spite of no official word from management is the Kansas City Chiefs. With the trio of Glenn Dorsey, Tank Tyler and Tyson Jackson ready to man the front line in the Chiefs' 3-4, Taylor could be utilized as a pure pass-rusher. Bill Williamson of the AFC West blog gave his take on this potential signing weeks ago, and the Chiefs did not do anything over the weekend that would rule this move out.

KCChiefsMan
04-29-2009, 09:18 AM
I suppose they're talking about Laboy. :shrug:

but he's not exactly who I would refer to as a star

Sure-Oz
04-29-2009, 09:19 AM
Jason Taylor will dominate!1111111111

Detoxing
04-29-2009, 09:19 AM
My money would be on laboy, how much of a star could he be? He was cut by the cards, he must not be that great
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Detoxing
04-29-2009, 09:20 AM
That would be terrible
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Comanche
04-29-2009, 09:21 AM
Jason Taylor will dominate!1111111111

Just don't ask him to Tango!!! ROFL

Brock
04-29-2009, 09:21 AM
but he's not exactly who I would refer to as a star

I agree, but they are prone to exaggeration.

Pestilence
04-29-2009, 09:22 AM
Laboy?
Hill?
Taylor?


All I know...is it better not be Edge.

Chiefnj2
04-29-2009, 09:22 AM
Parcells' disciple wants the player Parcells rejected?

DeezNutz
04-29-2009, 09:25 AM
Parcells' disciple wants the player Parcells rejected?

He's fucking his daughter, so I'm sure he's willing to go against the grain from time to time.

Tuckdaddy
04-29-2009, 09:26 AM
LaBoy would be my pick if we signed anyone.

KCrockaholic
04-29-2009, 09:26 AM
We just need to trade for Anquan and ill be happy.

tomahawk kid
04-29-2009, 09:27 AM
Laboy?
Hill?
Taylor?


All I know...is it better not be Edge.

Any or all of the able with the exception of Edge.

LaChapelle
04-29-2009, 09:28 AM
Dancing with the "Stars." How cheesy, is the KC Star involved with them?

Coogs
04-29-2009, 09:29 AM
Pioli to Grab Another Star for Chiefs

I must have missed something. What "stars" have we already grabbed?

Cassel and Vrabel = Nice players, not stars IMO.

KCChiefsMan
04-29-2009, 09:30 AM
I must have missed something. What "stars" have we already grabbed?

:hmmm:

Lex Luthor
04-29-2009, 09:31 AM
I must have missed something. What "stars" have we already grabbed?
http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/matt_cassel_franchised-by-patriots.jpg

T-post Tom
04-29-2009, 09:32 AM
http://www.freeinfosociety.com/media/images/2289.jpg

Coogs
04-29-2009, 09:32 AM
http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/matt_cassel_franchised-by-patriots.jpg

Brady is a star. Manning is a star. Cassel is a nice player.

Buck
04-29-2009, 09:33 AM
Here you go.

Another team in the mix for JT?
Jason Taylor | Redskins | Interested: Chiefs? Buccaneers? Dolphins? Patriots?
According to the Bucs Beat blog of the St. Petersburg Times, there could be an aggressive intrastate bidding war for the services of Jason Taylor in 2009.

Or not.

Taylor is still seeking work following his release by the Washington Redskins after a disappointing 2008 campaign, and the Miami Dolphins and New England Patriots were thought to be the front-runners. After the Phins failed to address the pass rush with any high-level collegiate talent, it was postulated that a signing of Taylor made more sense than ever, but there's still been no deal. A source has told Stephen Holder of the Bucs Beat that the Tampa Bay Buccaneers have some interest in Taylor, although a different source indicated to Holder that the Bucs actually have no interest.

We're inclined to go with Unnamed Source No. 2 on this one. While the Pats and Dolphins run a 3-4 scheme on defense and could use Taylor as a dedicated pass-rusher, the Bucs would need him to be an effective run-stopper as well. In case you've forgotten, that was the same set of expectations for Taylor in Washington, and that experiment was an unmitigated disaster. Taylor's main focus on the field is getting after the quarterback, so to cast him in a different role would be similar to the Oakland Raiders deciding to line recent signee Jeff Garcia up as a tight end. It might work out, but the best case scenario is mediocrity.

One team whose rumored interest still lingers in spite of no official word from management is the Kansas City Chiefs. With the trio of Glenn Dorsey, Tank Tyler and Tyson Jackson ready to man the front line in the Chiefs' 3-4, Taylor could be utilized as a pure pass-rusher. Bill Williamson of the AFC West blog gave his take on this potential signing weeks ago, and the Chiefs did not do anything over the weekend that would rule this move out.


Boldin heading north?
Anquan Boldin | Cardinals | Interested: 49ers? Titans? Eagles? Giants? Ravens?
As a seemingly benign comment at the end of his profile on San Francisco 49ers general manager Scot McCloghan, Michael Silver of Yahoo! Sports included the following quote from the GM: "Now, with the second first-rounder next year, I'm thinking, 'Can we trade for somebody? Should we investigate this stuff that's out there about the Cardinals moving Boldin? Even though this is supposed to be a slower period, my thoughts are dominated by, 'How do we improve this roster?'"

While mouthfuls of coffee are being sprayed all over computer monitors in the Phoenix area this morning based on the prospect of an intradivision trade for the Arizona Cardinals' prize bait, it's an almost total impossibility. During prior periods of speculation on which team would be trading for Anquan Boldin, some in the media brought up the fact that the Cards wouldn't want to have to face Boldin in the playoffs if he were traded to the New York Giants or Philadelphia Eagles. Good point, and by the same logic, it's certain that they wouldn't want to have to face him twice a season as a member of the 49ers.

In addition, the 49ers may have gotten a great steal by landing Michael Crabtree with the tenth overall pick on Saturday, but their quarterback situation is still in relative shambles. Does it make more sense to add another star receiver to the team or to use that extra first round pick in 2010 to coax a team out of a solid veteran quarterback? While the Niners may elect to make some sort of trade involving the extra pick before the 2009 season begins, the odds against that trade involving Boldin are very high.

Buck
04-29-2009, 09:34 AM
Heres a couple more that involve the Chiefs

Where will James end up?
Edgerrin James | Cardinals | Interested: Chiefs? Seahawks? Buccaneers? Dolphins? Jaguars? Saints?
With the second-to-last pick in the draft's first round, the Arizona Cardinals took running back Chris Wells, and the bells you hear tolling are there to signify the end of Edgerrin James' time in the desert.

According to Kent Somers of the Arizona Republic, the team will likely be cutting the veteran running back within the next week. While James would've had a few more teams after him had he been released at the start of the free agent signing period, he could still find some work.

One team rumored to be interested in James is the New Orleans Saints. The Saints bid adieu to Deuce McAllister earlier this offseason, and if James were willing to accept a diminished role on the roster at first, there is a spot for him in a backfield led by Pierre Thomas and Reggie Bush. With just four picks available in this year's draft, the team elected to focus on defense and special teams, selecting three defenders and a punter.

With Larry Johnson's situation not yet figured out, the Kansas City Chiefs have also been rumored to be a destination for James. If Johnson winds up being traded, the team would have unproven commodities in the backfield. To wit, Tyler Thigpen was the team's second-leading rusher in 2008 behind LJ. The Seattle Seahawks and Tampa Bay Buccaneers have some question marks in the backfield as well, and could be in the mix for James too.

As with the Bucs, both the Jacksonville Jaguars and Miami Dolphins have also been mentioned as possible destinations for James, given that he is a Florida native. However, Miami already has a long-in-the-tooth running back in Ricky Williams, and the Jaguars would be using James only as an insurance policy should Maurice Jones-Drew break down. Jags coach Jack Del Rio has already emphasized that Greg Jones will be seeing a heavier workload this season, and seventh round draftee Rashad Jennings may also get some work in his rookie campaign.

James proved throughout the playoffs last season that he still has a bit of fuel left in the tank. The tough part now will be to find a new team that will give him a legitimate chance to earn the starting job, because he'll be most effective as the primary back in an offense. Although he's nearing the 3,000 carry mark on his odometer - with 430 receptions to boot - a few teams will certainly come calling upon his official release.


Leroy climbs Hill as top free agent
Leroy Hill | Seahawks | Interested: 49ers? Dolphins? Chiefs? Colts? Broncos? Browns?
According to what Seattle Seahawks general manager Tim Ruskell indicated during a press conference - as reported by Mike Sando on his NFC West blog - Leroy Hill's franchise tag was lifted for two reasons. One, the team wanted the flexibility to sign Hill to a long-term deal, and the contrived framework of the franchise tag was seen as limiting in this regard. Two, the team just made Aaron Curry the highest-drafted linebacker since 2000, when the Washington Redskins took LaVar Arrington with the No. 2 overall pick, and this gave the team some depth in the linebacking corps if things didn't work out with Hill at all.

According to Sando, Seahawks coach Jim Mora spoke with Hill on Sunday morning, and the linebacker seemed "shook up" and "disappointed" at the team's decision to withdraw the tag. It's possible that Hill's agent Todd France may be able to draw some nice offers from other teams, but the original offer that the Seahawks made of $36 million over six years is unlikely to be matched, and the $8.3 million tender Hill would've earned under the franchise tender is a pipe dream at this point.

But there's no doubt that Hill will have some suitors. At just 26, and coming off an 84-tackle season in 2008, he will draw interest from a few teams with the cap space and the roster need at outside linebacker. The Miami Dolphins waited until the seventh round to grab an outside linebacker and they may show some interest in Hill. On the other hand, before the draft weekend, Dolphins GM Jeff Ireland instructed Jason Taylor that they would negotiate with him after the draft if the team didn't select a pass-rusher. Officially, Ireland tells the Palm Beach Post that the team has yet to discuss a Taylor signing, but since the only player taken by the team at either linebacker or defensive end was seventh-rounder J.D. Folsom, there's a strong possbility that Taylor returns for his farewell tour in Miami, and this might take the 'phins out of the Hill sweepstakes depending on Taylor's compensation.

Staying in the AFC, the Cleveland Browns need an upgrade to the outside linebacker position and the team waited until the fourth round to address the need with Kaluka Maiava. Given that the team traded out of the fifth overall pick, they won't have to commit a large amount of money to their recent draftees, and would be able to make a sizable offer to Hill if necessary. It was a bit surprising that the Denver Broncos didn't wind up with an outside linebacker amongst their draftees, and they too might have some cap space left depending on the type of packages they offer their dual first-rounders. Other AFC teams expected to give France a call are the Indianapolis Colts and Kansas City Chiefs, although the Colts' likelihood of signing Hill is more remote given their usage of the Tampa 2 defensive scheme, which Hill would have to learn from scratch.

Finally, in spite of recently extending Parys Haralson through 2013, the Seahawks' NFC West rival San Francisco 49ers could sniff around Hill in the coming days. The team has a force at inside linebacker in 24 year-old Patrick Willis, and a Willis-Hill tandem would give the Niners a great core to build around.

There are questions about Hill's character that stem from an offseason incident where he was found asleep at the wheel in the Atlanta area, and investigating police officers found him to be possession of marijuana. This may impact the payday Hill will receive on the open market, but he is certain to be signed somewhere soon.

FD
04-29-2009, 09:35 AM
We "didn't do anything that would rule this move out," yep, that sounds that grounds for a column to me.

KCChiefsMan
04-29-2009, 09:35 AM
it's there in the text box, on the bottom

Sure-Oz
04-29-2009, 09:37 AM
I love how we aren't listed as one of Boldins suitors

Short Leash Hootie
04-29-2009, 09:38 AM
I love how we aren't listed as one of Boldins suitors

I can't see Boldin being traded anywhere.

Mr. Krab
04-29-2009, 09:50 AM
Pioli "fans should stick around, we aren't done yet" *wink*

PhillyChiefFan
04-29-2009, 09:52 AM
I can't see Boldin being traded anywhere.

No way, IMO.

Fitz and Warner offered to restructure their contracts to keep him. That should send a message to the front office.

Micjones
04-29-2009, 09:55 AM
Boldin, Laboy, Hill, Taylor.
I'd take any of them. Hopefully we'll take 3 of them.

Brock
04-29-2009, 09:57 AM
Pioli "fans should stick around, we aren't done yet" *wink*

ROFL

Raised On Riots
04-29-2009, 10:02 AM
Pioli "fans should stick around, we aren't done yet" *wink*

I'm sure all were having fun, but I still laugh when I think about everyone hanging out and nothing else being done for the day.

MVChiefFan
04-29-2009, 10:15 AM
Boldin, Laboy, Hill, Taylor.
I'd take any of them. Hopefully we'll take 3 of them.

Exactly! I would be ecstatic!

Sure-Oz
04-29-2009, 10:18 AM
We won't take any of them and sign a few more practice squad fodders

chief4life
04-29-2009, 10:20 AM
The Chiefs get mentioned 3 times:

Another team in the mix for JT?
Jason Taylor | Redskins | Interested: Chiefs? Buccaneers? Dolphins? Patriots?
According to the Bucs Beat blog of the St. Petersburg Times, there could be an aggressive intrastate bidding war for the services of Jason Taylor in 2009.

Or not.

Taylor is still seeking work following his release by the Washington Redskins after a disappointing 2008 campaign, and the Miami Dolphins and New England Patriots were thought to be the front-runners. After the Phins failed to address the pass rush with any high-level collegiate talent, it was postulated that a signing of Taylor made more sense than ever, but there's still been no deal. A source has told Stephen Holder of the Bucs Beat that the Tampa Bay Buccaneers have some interest in Taylor, although a different source indicated to Holder that the Bucs actually have no interest.

We're inclined to go with Unnamed Source No. 2 on this one. While the Pats and Dolphins run a 3-4 scheme on defense and could use Taylor as a dedicated pass-rusher, the Bucs would need him to be an effective run-stopper as well. In case you've forgotten, that was the same set of expectations for Taylor in Washington, and that experiment was an unmitigated disaster. Taylor's main focus on the field is getting after the quarterback, so to cast him in a different role would be similar to the Oakland Raiders deciding to line recent signee Jeff Garcia up as a tight end. It might work out, but the best case scenario is mediocrity.

One team whose rumored interest still lingers in spite of no official word from management is the Kansas City Chiefs. With the trio of Glenn Dorsey, Tank Tyler and Tyson Jackson ready to man the front line in the Chiefs' 3-4, Taylor could be utilized as a pure pass-rusher. Bill Williamson of the AFC West blog gave his take on this potential signing weeks ago, and the Chiefs did not do anything over the weekend that would rule this move out.


Where will James end up?
Edgerrin James | Cardinals | Interested: Chiefs? Seahawks? Buccaneers? Dolphins? Jaguars? Saints?
With the second-to-last pick in the draft's first round, the Arizona Cardinals took running back Chris Wells, and the bells you hear tolling are there to signify the end of Edgerrin James' time in the desert.

According to Kent Somers of the Arizona Republic, the team will likely be cutting the veteran running back within the next week. While James would've had a few more teams after him had he been released at the start of the free agent signing period, he could still find some work.

One team rumored to be interested in James is the New Orleans Saints. The Saints bid adieu to Deuce McAllister earlier this offseason, and if James were willing to accept a diminished role on the roster at first, there is a spot for him in a backfield led by Pierre Thomas and Reggie Bush. With just four picks available in this year's draft, the team elected to focus on defense and special teams, selecting three defenders and a punter.

With Larry Johnson's situation not yet figured out, the Kansas City Chiefs have also been rumored to be a destination for James. If Johnson winds up being traded, the team would have unproven commodities in the backfield. To wit, Tyler Thigpen was the team's second-leading rusher in 2008 behind LJ. The Seattle Seahawks and Tampa Bay Buccaneers have some question marks in the backfield as well, and could be in the mix for James too.

As with the Bucs, both the Jacksonville Jaguars and Miami Dolphins have also been mentioned as possible destinations for James, given that he is a Florida native. However, Miami already has a long-in-the-tooth running back in Ricky Williams, and the Jaguars would be using James only as an insurance policy should Maurice Jones-Drew break down. Jags coach Jack Del Rio has already emphasized that Greg Jones will be seeing a heavier workload this season, and seventh round draftee Rashad Jennings may also get some work in his rookie campaign.

James proved throughout the playoffs last season that he still has a bit of fuel left in the tank. The tough part now will be to find a new team that will give him a legitimate chance to earn the starting job, because he'll be most effective as the primary back in an offense. Although he's nearing the 3,000 carry mark on his odometer - with 430 receptions to boot - a few teams will certainly come calling upon his official release.


Leroy climbs Hill as top free agent
Leroy Hill | Seahawks | Interested: 49ers? Dolphins? Chiefs? Colts? Broncos? Browns?
According to what Seattle Seahawks general manager Tim Ruskell indicated during a press conference - as reported by Mike Sando on his NFC West blog - Leroy Hill's franchise tag was lifted for two reasons. One, the team wanted the flexibility to sign Hill to a long-term deal, and the contrived framework of the franchise tag was seen as limiting in this regard. Two, the team just made Aaron Curry the highest-drafted linebacker since 2000, when the Washington Redskins took LaVar Arrington with the No. 2 overall pick, and this gave the team some depth in the linebacking corps if things didn't work out with Hill at all.

According to Sando, Seahawks coach Jim Mora spoke with Hill on Sunday morning, and the linebacker seemed "shook up" and "disappointed" at the team's decision to withdraw the tag. It's possible that Hill's agent Todd France may be able to draw some nice offers from other teams, but the original offer that the Seahawks made of $36 million over six years is unlikely to be matched, and the $8.3 million tender Hill would've earned under the franchise tender is a pipe dream at this point.

But there's no doubt that Hill will have some suitors. At just 26, and coming off an 84-tackle season in 2008, he will draw interest from a few teams with the cap space and the roster need at outside linebacker. The Miami Dolphins waited until the seventh round to grab an outside linebacker and they may show some interest in Hill. On the other hand, before the draft weekend, Dolphins GM Jeff Ireland instructed Jason Taylor that they would negotiate with him after the draft if the team didn't select a pass-rusher. Officially, Ireland tells the Palm Beach Post that the team has yet to discuss a Taylor signing, but since the only player taken by the team at either linebacker or defensive end was seventh-rounder J.D. Folsom, there's a strong possbility that Taylor returns for his farewell tour in Miami, and this might take the 'phins out of the Hill sweepstakes depending on Taylor's compensation.

Staying in the AFC, the Cleveland Browns need an upgrade to the outside linebacker position and the team waited until the fourth round to address the need with Kaluka Maiava. Given that the team traded out of the fifth overall pick, they won't have to commit a large amount of money to their recent draftees, and would be able to make a sizable offer to Hill if necessary. It was a bit surprising that the Denver Broncos didn't wind up with an outside linebacker amongst their draftees, and they too might have some cap space left depending on the type of packages they offer their dual first-rounders. Other AFC teams expected to give France a call are the Indianapolis Colts and Kansas City Chiefs, although the Colts' likelihood of signing Hill is more remote given their usage of the Tampa 2 defensive scheme, which Hill would have to learn from scratch.

Finally, in spite of recently extending Parys Haralson through 2013, the Seahawks' NFC West rival San Francisco 49ers could sniff around Hill in the coming days. The team has a force at inside linebacker in 24 year-old Patrick Willis, and a Willis-Hill tandem would give the Niners a great core to build around.

There are questions about Hill's character that stem from an offseason incident where he was found asleep at the wheel in the Atlanta area, and investigating police officers found him to be possession of marijuana. This may impact the payday Hill will receive on the open market, but he is certain to be signed somewhere soon.

Delano
04-29-2009, 10:21 AM
I don't get it:

Kent Somers, of The Arizona Republic, reports the Arizona Cardinals (http://www.kffl.com/team/6/nfl)' release of DL Travis LaBoy (http://www.kffl.com/player/9635/nfl) will result in a $6.1 million hit against the cap, about $1.45 million more than if he had been on the team.

Sure-Oz
04-29-2009, 10:24 AM
that's already been posted

Delano
04-29-2009, 10:27 AM
that's already been posted

Are ... you ... calling me ... a ........ reposter? :grr:

Sure-Oz
04-29-2009, 10:32 AM
Are ... you ... calling me ... a ........ reposter? :grr:

AHHHHH SNAPPPPAGEE

Technically you are just re-iterating what was posted earlier, but without bold lettering and its in the same thread.:)

Tribal Warfare
04-29-2009, 10:39 AM
I'm not overly enthusiastic in taking Taylor, the guy is just too old to give him a decent size paycheck.

wasi
04-29-2009, 10:46 AM
Leroy climbs Hill as top free agent
Leroy Hill | Seahawks | Interested: 49ers? Dolphins? Chiefs? Colts? Broncos? Browns?
Other AFC teams expected to give France a call are the Indianapolis Colts and Kansas City Chiefs, although the Colts' likelihood of signing Hill is more remote given their usage of the Tampa 2 defensive scheme, which Hill would have to learn from scratch.

Hill is only 6-1, 238. Given that he hasn't played the 3-4 and he doesn't have the ideal size to play LB in a 3-4 I don't see him being a target the Chiefs are going after.

What is the likelyhood that the "star" is Peppers?

SBK
04-29-2009, 10:47 AM
I'm not overly enthusiastic in taking Taylor, the guy is just too old to give him a decent size paycheck.

He's no Connor Barwin that's for sure.

Mr. Krab
04-29-2009, 10:48 AM
I'm not overly enthusiastic in taking Taylor, the guy is just too old to give him a decent size paycheck.
I could maybe see Taylor signing with us late on a 1-year deal to play beside Thomas again.

Sure-Oz
04-29-2009, 10:49 AM
We all know we're in negotiations with Brock Lesnar!

melbar
04-29-2009, 11:04 AM
Hill is only 6-1, 238. Given that he hasn't played the 3-4 and he doesn't have the ideal size to play LB in a 3-4 I don't see him being a target the Chiefs are going after.

What is the likelyhood that the "star" is Peppers?

Ya, wasnt Peppers still trying to force a trade?

raybec 4
04-29-2009, 11:06 AM
Hill is only 6-1, 238. Given that he hasn't played the 3-4 and he doesn't have the ideal size to play LB in a 3-4 I don't see him being a target the Chiefs are going after.

What is the likelyhood that the "star" is Peppers?

Ya, wasnt Peppers still trying to force a trade?

The Panthers can't trade him until he signs his franchise tender.

wasi
04-29-2009, 11:11 AM
[QUOTE=melbar;5725534]

The Panthers can't trade him until he signs his franchise tender.

If he wants out then I imagine he would sign it pretty quick if a deal was in place.

I don't know what the Chiefs have that the Panthers want that would facilitate this deal other than draft picks next year.

T-post Tom
04-29-2009, 11:13 AM
[QUOTE=raybec 4;5725539]

If he wants out then I imagine he would sign it pretty quick if a deal was in place.

I don't know what the Chiefs have that the Panthers want that would facilitate this deal other than draft picks next year.

A package of picks and Bob Gretz.

raybec 4
04-29-2009, 11:14 AM
[QUOTE=wasi;5725570]

A package of picks and Bob Gretz.

No freakin way, if this team trades Gretz I'll never watch another game....ever!

Raised On Riots
04-29-2009, 11:18 AM
[quote=T-post Tom;5725580]

No freakin way, if this team trades Gretz I'll never watch another game....ever!

ROFL

Stryker
04-29-2009, 11:23 AM
[QUOTE=melbar;5725534]

The Panthers can't trade him until he signs his franchise tender.

On top of that, he is looking for Albert Haynesworth $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

T-post Tom
04-29-2009, 11:25 AM
[quote=raybec 4;5725586]

ROFL


Not my quote, but funny nonetheless.

SenselessChiefsFan
04-29-2009, 12:19 PM
but he's not exactly who I would refer to as a star

He was on dancing with the 'stars'... HELLO?

alpha_omega
04-29-2009, 12:21 PM
I must have missed something. What "stars" have we already grabbed?

Cassel and Vrabel = Nice players, not stars IMO.

This.

Beerfund
04-29-2009, 12:26 PM
He was on dancing with the 'stars'... HELLO?

Truth

Gravedigger
04-29-2009, 02:14 PM
He's ****ing his daughter, so I'm sure he's willing to go against the grain from time to time.

lawl. I concur.

Detoxing
04-29-2009, 02:24 PM
If we got peppers, what would he play, OLB?

Hog Farmer
04-29-2009, 04:07 PM
What about Harrison ??

rad
04-29-2009, 04:11 PM
If we got peppers, what would he play, OLB?


Probably RT.

Jethopper
04-29-2009, 04:51 PM
It's just nice to see a player other than Donnie Edwards being our offseason acquisition.

JASONSAUTO
04-29-2009, 04:54 PM
Probably RT.

No NO No he's going to play TE

htismaqe
04-29-2009, 04:56 PM
No NO No he's going to play TE

No way is he going to take Vrabel's spot.

MTG#10
04-29-2009, 05:00 PM
Can I put my face in between your breasts?

JASONSAUTO
04-29-2009, 05:02 PM
No way is he going to take Vrabel's spot.

damn i forgot vrabel is the new TE, ok safety. he will take page's spot

Fritz88
04-29-2009, 05:03 PM
what are we going to do with this money under the cap?

Raised On Riots
04-29-2009, 05:05 PM
The choices are are clear:

a) Acquire O-linemen of high caliber, or

b) Tell Cassel to report to grounds keeping so the head honcho can or order his favorite flavor of grass for the 2009 season.

dtebbe
04-29-2009, 05:22 PM
what are we going to do with this money under the cap?

Re-sign Ronnie Cruz, he should be finished with rehab by now.

Oh wait... Carl is gone, nevermind!

LMAO

DT

cmh6476
04-29-2009, 06:25 PM
Staying in the AFC, the Cleveland Browns need an upgrade to the outside linebacker position and the team waited until the fourth round to address the need with Kaluka Maiava. Given that the team traded out of the fifth overall pick, they won't have to commit a large amount of money to their recent draftees, and would be able to make a sizable offer to Hill if necessary. It was a bit surprising that the Denver Broncos didn't wind up with an outside linebacker amongst their draftees, and they too might have some cap space left depending on the type of packages they offer their dual first-rounders. Other AFC teams expected to give France a call are the Indianapolis Colts and Kansas City Chiefs, although the Colts' likelihood of signing Hill is more remote given their usage of the Tampa 2 defensive scheme, which Hill would have to learn from scratch.


we'll take braylon, cleveland can have laboy, and we can give up future picks.

TheGuardian
04-29-2009, 06:41 PM
Why the hell would we take Braylon Edwards? Guy has stone hands. Dumb.

CrazyPhuD
04-29-2009, 06:51 PM
Sweet this just means we're going to sign micheal vick!PBJ

sparkky
04-29-2009, 07:04 PM
Why the hell would we take Braylon Edwards? Guy has stone hands. Dumb.

I have to agree from what I saw last year, he couldn't catch the clap in a whore house.

Raised On Riots
04-29-2009, 07:10 PM
I have to agree from what I saw last year, he couldn't catch the clap in a whore house.

ROFL

bevischief
04-29-2009, 07:19 PM
Herm as db coach.

el borracho
04-29-2009, 07:25 PM
I can't imagine we would spend our first two draft picks on DEs and then sign Taylor. That just doesn't make sense to me. I mean, I know we had the worst pash rush in history but we've put more effort in to the Dline than anywhere else on the team and we have many needs.

ILChief
04-29-2009, 07:34 PM
I have to agree from what I saw last year, he couldn't catch the clap in a whore house.

well the year before he was one of the top few receivers in the league, so the ability is there

htismaqe
04-29-2009, 07:47 PM
I can't imagine we would spend our first two draft picks on DEs and then sign Taylor. That just doesn't make sense to me. I mean, I know we had the worst pash rush in history but we've put more effort in to the Dline than anywhere else on the team and we have many needs.

Jason Taylor wouldn't be a DE here, he'd be an OLB.

Mr. Krab
04-29-2009, 07:54 PM
I can't imagine we would spend our first two draft picks on DEs and then sign Taylor. That just doesn't make sense to me. I mean, I know we had the worst pash rush in history but we've put more effort in to the Dline than anywhere else on the team and we have many needs.
We draft 3-4 DE's and Taylor would be a rushbacker. Besides we need depth at the DE spot for a 3-4 as well.

el borracho
04-29-2009, 08:03 PM
Jason Taylor wouldn't be a DE here, he'd be an OLB.

Ah. Well in either case I wouldn't be too terribly interested. The one thing I liked about Herm's tenure was the youth movement. Of course, Herm effed it up by going to an extreme but Pioli has taken us somewhat back to center with some vet signings. Overall, I would still prefer to sign guys that will still be contributing 3 or 4 or 5 years from now.

el borracho
04-29-2009, 08:07 PM
We draft 3-4 DE's and Taylor would be a rushbacker. Besides we need depth at the DE spot for a 3-4 as well.

Well, if we need depth we should just sign some RFAs because, collectively on the Dline, we have two guys drafted in the 1st round, one guy drafted in the 2nd round and two guys drafted in the third round. I know we were beyond awful last year and I know we are going to a new defensive scheme but I would really prefer to at least see these guys in the new scheme with the new coaches before I give up on any of them.

htismaqe
04-29-2009, 08:25 PM
Well, if we need depth we should just sign some RFAs because, collectively on the Dline, we have two guys drafted in the 1st round, one guy drafted in the 2nd round and two guys drafted in the third round. I know we were beyond awful last year and I know we are going to a new defensive scheme but I would really prefer to at least see these guys in the new scheme with the new coaches before I give up on any of them.

Taylor wouldn't provide depth at DE unless we were running a 4-3. He's ALMOST undersized for the 4-3, let alone the 3-4.

We need rush linebackers and that's what he would play here.

htismaqe
04-29-2009, 08:27 PM
Ah. Well in either case I wouldn't be too terribly interested. The one thing I liked about Herm's tenure was the youth movement. Of course, Herm effed it up by going to an extreme but Pioli has taken us somewhat back to center with some vet signings. Overall, I would still prefer to sign guys that will still be contributing 3 or 4 or 5 years from now.

This isn't like what Carl did. We're not signing 31-year old guys with the hope that they'll play 4 or 5 more years. We're signing 35-year old guys with the idea that they'll play THIS YEAR until we have a chance to get another draft under our belt.

Raised On Riots
04-29-2009, 08:35 PM
This isn't like what Carl did. We're not signing 31-year old guys with the hope that they'll play 4 or 5 more years. We're signing 35-year old guys with the idea that they'll play THIS YEAR until we have a chance to get another draft under our belt.

This!

ILChief
04-29-2009, 08:44 PM
so no one has ESPN insider and feeling generous?

RedThat
04-29-2009, 08:47 PM
I'd take Jason taylor. I still think he's got game.

soundmind
04-29-2009, 09:02 PM
Julius Peppers would cost us picks, I say f*ck that.

Jason Taylor is a dancer, a prancer, and a Madonna fan club member. While both can obviously make a dent on defense, I'd hesitate on either one for various reasons.

As long as whoever we bring in is playing for the Chiefs and not themselves, I'm good with it...

blazzin311
04-29-2009, 09:52 PM
so no one has ESPN insider and feeling generous?

Might want to check page 2 of this thread. The info on ESPN insider was already posted there.

gta0012
04-29-2009, 10:30 PM
This isn't like what Carl did. We're not signing 31-year old guys with the hope that they'll play 4 or 5 more years. We're signing 35-year old guys with the idea that they'll play THIS YEAR until we have a chance to get another draft under our belt.


Agreed. We signed Vets to positions we needed help with. They bring Leadership to the team and can help school the youth movement. Next year or so we draft those positions.

KCrockaholic
04-29-2009, 11:22 PM
This isn't like what Carl did. We're not signing 31-year old guys with the hope that they'll play 4 or 5 more years. We're signing 35-year old guys with the idea that they'll play THIS YEAR until we have a chance to get another draft under our belt.

I agree completely. Ive noticed this same trend and feeling. I like it though. I think it will work in the long run.

Red Beans
04-30-2009, 06:31 AM
This isn't like what Carl did. We're not signing 31-year old guys with the hope that they'll play 4 or 5 more years. We're signing 35-year old guys with the idea that they'll play THIS YEAR until we have a chance to get another draft under our belt.

This is so true, we'll be drafting some linebackers too. Realistically we may only have Vrabel on the roster after this season. DJ might not be resigned is he eats the cat shit this year, and unless we find a gem in some of those undrafted FA's our linebackers could be the area of concern. On a side note, I think there may be a chance this star is a linebacker...who knows ESPN could be blowin' smoke...

TheGuardian
04-30-2009, 07:18 AM
Taylor wouldn't provide depth at DE unless we were running a 4-3. He's ALMOST undersized for the 4-3, let alone the 3-4.

We need rush linebackers and that's what he would play here.

And we will be running some 4-3.

I've already proven that we're not running a true 3-4 scheme, and the fact is we will still be running a lot of 4-3 formations. What do you think we're going to be in in nickel and dime packages most of the time? A 40 front with 4 down linemen. And now teams run 3 wide so much that you end up in nickel about 45% of the time.

DMAC
04-30-2009, 07:49 AM
so no one has ESPN insider and feeling generous?It's Edge.

htismaqe
04-30-2009, 08:47 AM
And we will be running some 4-3.

I've already proven that we're not running a true 3-4 scheme, and the fact is we will still be running a lot of 4-3 formations. What do you think we're going to be in in nickel and dime packages most of the time? A 40 front with 4 down linemen. And now teams run 3 wide so much that you end up in nickel about 45% of the time.

I appreciate the input and amount of detail you've put into all of this. I really do.

But if you want to be respected around here, it might be best to stop with the condescending tone.

Raised On Riots
04-30-2009, 08:51 AM
It's Edge.

Fuck......That.

Chiefnj2
04-30-2009, 08:53 AM
And we will be running some 4-3.

I've already proven that we're not running a true 3-4 scheme, and the fact is we will still be running a lot of 4-3 formations. What do you think we're going to be in in nickel and dime packages most of the time? A 40 front with 4 down linemen. And now teams run 3 wide so much that you end up in nickel about 45% of the time.

How have you "proven" they will not run a true 3-4 scheme other than say Clancy doesn't have the experience with it?

htismaqe
04-30-2009, 09:00 AM
How have you "proven" they will not run a true 3-4 scheme other than say Clancy doesn't have the experience with it?

Clancy DOES have experience with it. So does Gary Gibbs.

TheGuardian
04-30-2009, 10:01 AM
Clancy DOES have experience with it. So does Gary Gibbs.

Clancy does not. He has never run a 3-4 two gap front as a defensive coordinator and one of the reasons that Whiz let him go in Zona was because he wanted to get someone who runs a two gap 3-4. Gary Gibbs also ran a 4-3 with the Saints, not a 3-4. And this wasn't by request of Sean Payton, who is also a Parcell's descendant.

Basically you guys keep going back to the fact that you think we are going to run a two gap 3-4 but you haven't shown a thing that points to that, other than Haley being a Parcell's guy and Pioli being in New England. If they wanted to run a true 3-4 that bad, they would have hired TRUE 3-4 guys. They didn't. They hired guys that have run fronts that are SIMILAR to 3-4 fronts, but run in 1 gap schemes. And that's a fact. So until you have something tangible that points to us going to a 3-4 two gap front maybe it's best to stop talking about it like it's fact.

htismaqe
04-30-2009, 10:30 AM
Clancy does not. He has never run a 3-4 two gap front as a defensive coordinator and one of the reasons that Whiz let him go in Zona was because he wanted to get someone who runs a two gap 3-4. Gary Gibbs also ran a 4-3 with the Saints, not a 3-4. And this wasn't by request of Sean Payton, who is also a Parcell's descendant.

I didn't say either of them had experience with the 3-4 as a COORDINATOR. Both of them, especially Gibbs, have 3-4 experience as position coaches or graduate assitants for college teams.

The big knock on Gibbs with the fans in New Orleans was that his background was almost exclusively 3-4 prior to joining the team. And he was a key member of the 2005 Cowboys coaching staff transitioning them from 4-3 to 3-4.

Basically you guys keep going back to the fact that you think we are going to run a two gap 3-4 but you haven't shown a thing that points to that, other than Haley being a Parcell's guy and Pioli being in New England. If they wanted to run a true 3-4 that bad, they would have hired TRUE 3-4 guys. They didn't. They hired guys that have run fronts that are SIMILAR to 3-4 fronts, but run in 1 gap schemes. And that's a fact. So until you have something tangible that points to us going to a 3-4 two gap front maybe it's best to stop talking about it like it's fact.

I haven't said a word about gap assignments. I'm talking about 30 fronts vs. 40 fronts. The two ARE NOT inclusive. It's too bad the rest of us can't be up to your level of football acumen.

Jethopper
04-30-2009, 10:37 AM
Taylor wouldn't provide depth at DE unless we were running a 4-3. He's ALMOST undersized for the 4-3, let alone the 3-4.

We need rush linebackers and that's what he would play here.

Too tall.

TheGuardian
04-30-2009, 10:40 AM
I didn't say either of them had experience with the 3-4 as a COORDINATOR. Both of them, especially Gibbs, have 3-4 experience as position coaches or graduate assitants for college teams.

The big knock on Gibbs with the fans in New Orleans was that his background was almost exclusively 3-4 prior to joining the team. And he was a key member of the 2005 Cowboys coaching staff transitioning them from 4-3 to 3-4.

He ran a 4-3 at LSU in 01.

When Gibbs got to Dallas in 02 they ran a 4-3. They didn't start making the transition until the 05 draft when they took Marcus Spears. Gibbs took over in New Orleans in 06.

Maybe it's best you know what you are talking about before you post this stuff.



I haven't said a word about gap assignments. I'm talking about 30 fronts vs. 40 fronts. The two ARE NOT inclusive. It's too bad the rest of us can't be up to your level of football acumen.

When I'm talking about going to a 3-4, I'm talking about two gap 30 front defense. That is the 3-4 the Steelers run. We are NOT going to run that. We will run a hybrid 3-4 with a stand up end, no different than what the Cards ran last year. It IS NOT a true 3-4.