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Ari Chi3fs
05-01-2009, 01:19 PM
Jailed NFL Superstar Looks to Rehab Image After Dog-Fighting Rap

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By Rich Thomaselli (adageeditor@adage.com)

Published: May 01, 2009 (http://adage.com/results?endeca=1&return=endeca&search_offset=0&search_order_by=score&search_phrase=05/01/2009)
NEW YORK (AdAge.com) -- Michael Vick is in talks to become the new spokesman for PETA.
Yes, you read that correctly. The disgraced one-time NFL superstar serving prison time for funding an illegal dog-fighting ring is primed to do public-service ads for People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals upon his release later this month. According to three people with knowledge of the matter, the proposed endorsement is part of a comprehensive PR scheme aimed at rehabilitating the quarterback's image and gaining him readmission to the league that banned him from playing.

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"I'm familiar with [the plan]," said Dan Shannon, director of youth outreach and campaigns for PETA. "We have been in discussions with Michael Vick, with his management team, about the possibility of him putting out a public-service announcement with PETA when he's out of jail. We want him to discourage people from taking part in dog-fighting. I can do it until I'm blue in the face and it might not convince anybody. Michael Vick sure can. He can say, 'Look, I did it, I was wrong, and it ruined my career.'" Other image-changing moves
That's not all Mr. Vick will do to try to rehabilitate his image. People with knowledge of his comeback plan said it will also include mea culpa TV interviews, PSAs and charitable donations to other animal-rights organizations (or perhaps the formation of his own foundation), along with the possibility of working with PETA.
But this might be the mother of all PR jobs. Mr. Vick's obstacles are many: a hard-line NFL commissioner who wants to see "genuine remorse" before reinstating Mr. Vick to the league; individual franchises who might be wary of the backlash and potential damage to their brands from signing Mr. Vick; and an incredulous public that remains shocked by the story.
And what a grisly tale it is. Mr. Vick, who in 2004 signed a seven-year, $130 million contract with the Atlanta Falcons, funded the Bad Newz Kennels in Virginia, which participated in the fighting of pit bulls and also admitted to participating in the sometimes torturous deaths of dogs that underperformed, including death by drowning, hanging and electrocution. Mr. Vick is due to be released from federal prison on May 20 and will serve the remaining two months of his 23-month sentence under home confinement near Hampton, Va., where he will be working a 40-hour-a-week construction job.
Mr. Vick's camp includes a multitude of PR and legal handlers. His Atlanta-based attorney, Daniel Meachum, did not return several requests for an interview. Mr. Vick's Washington-based lawyer, William "Billy" Martin, declined to comment. It is not known if Mr. Vick's team has hired a strategic-communications or crisis-management firm to handle the PR efforts. But PETA confirmed it has talked with his handlers.
Before doing a deal, however, PETA wants Mr. Vick to undergo a psychological evaluation for antisocial personality disorder. "We're suspicious this may come from a place of simply wanting to repair his public image, rather than genuine remorse," Mr. Shannon said. "He was dishonest all the way up the line until he finally had to admit to what he did, which is a hallmark of [antisocial personality disorder]. If he can't tell the difference between right and wrong, we can't get in bed with this guy. At this point, he hasn't chosen to submit to an evaluation. We hope the NFL will require that evaluation as a precondition of reinstatement. The bottom line is: Everybody knows he's going to apologize, go on Oprah and Larry King and say he did wrong, that he learned his lesson. But there's no reason for anybody to take his word for that based on the pattern of dishonesty and the severity of cruelty he took part in."
PETA's PR issues
Though PETA certainly has its own PR issues because of its extremist positions -- the group is known for shocking advertising and stunts; it has been known to throw animal blood on people who wear fur and once sent a letter to the small town of Fishkill, N.Y., asking the community to change its name -- the organization nonetheless could give Mr. Vick's efforts a sense of legitimacy, experts said.
"It's a smart thing. He should be doing some work with PETA or other animal-rights organizations," said Richard Levick, president of the Washington public-relations consultancy Levick Strategic Communications. "What the American public looks for is recognition of error, contrition and fixing the problem. There was plenty of opportunity for Michael Vick early on to have admitted his errors without admitting his legal liability, to reach out to his sponsors, animal-rights communities, the football communities, but he didn't. So now he has to. Americans are willing to forgive egregious acts but not arrogance."
Despite the sometimes skeptical public reaction to such PR tours, those who shape public image said it has to be done. "Even if it is 'staged,' rehabilitation has to start somewhere, as long as it's sincere and consistent," said Drew Kerr, president and lead public-relations counsel for Four Corners Communications, a PR firm based in New York. "The public has a long history of forgiving people and creating comeback stories under the right circumstances."
Both Messrs. Levick and Kerr cited examples such as Texas Rangers outfielder Josh Hamilton, who overcame a four-year drug addiction to finally reach the major leagues and make the All-Star team last year, and Michael Milken, the one-time "junk bond king" who was charged with 98 counts of racketeering and securities fraud in 1989. He pleaded guilty to six securities charges and served less than two years in prison but today is a well-known and well-respected philanthropist whom Fortune magazine dubbed "The Man Who Changed Medicine" in 2004.

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"There's a strange identification process that goes on, so if the sincerity is there, even if it's under the master hand of a PR pro, it can go a long way," Mr. Kerr said. Up to the commissioner
Whether Mr. Vick can convince NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell is another story. The league has taken no position on Mr. Vick's status since he was suspended indefinitely in 2007. The Associated Press reported last month that at a panel discussion at Washington & Lee University, Mr. Goodell said he will meet with Mr. Vick after his legal issues have been addressed.
"At that point in time, I will want to meet with Michael, I will want to meet with his people, I will want to meet with other professionals to understand: Does he understand the mistakes he made and is he genuine and have remorse for those actions, and is he prepared to handle himself differently going forward? That will ultimately be my decision," Mr. Goodell told the AP. "Our issue is trying to do the right thing and represent the NFL in the best possible way. Michael did an egregious thing. He has paid a very significant price for that."
But he also indicated he would be open to the idea of letting Mr. Vick return. "If [Mr. Vick has] learned from that and is prepared to live a different life, I think the general public is forgiving on that when people are genuine and they show remorse and are prepared to live a different life. ... That's something he has to prove to myself and the general public."
If Mr. Vick is suspended for the 2009 season, his options include the Canadian Football League and the upstart United Football League. But even if Mr. Goodell reinstates Mr. Vick for the 2009 NFL season -- and at age 29 he does have several productive years left if he stayed in shape while in prison -- it remains to be seen which team would take a chance on the quarterback. "There is a risk, yes, but professional sports has shown over and over that they are willing to take that chance even on the biggest risks, and they don't seem to wait long, either," Mr. Kerr said.
Mr. Levick agreed, saying, "The Falcons said they weren't taking him back, but he only has to change the perception of one of 29 other [franchise owners]. Sports are filled with people who have been given second and third chances."
Even PETA seems willing to give him another shot. "PETA does believe in second chances," Mr. Shannon said. "Just because somebody did something bad, it doesn't mean they're an unsalvageable person. We hope that's the case with Michael Vick."

Scorp
05-01-2009, 01:22 PM
Haha that is perfect for him, he can still murder dogs and it will be legal. F*ck PETA!

Donger
05-01-2009, 01:29 PM
That's like having Heydrich as a spokesman for the JDL.

kstater
05-01-2009, 01:35 PM
Further proof that PETA is the most hypocritical organization in the world?

Talisman
05-01-2009, 01:37 PM
I could see him as a spokesperson for Pleasure in the Entertainment of Torturing Animals.

ArrowheadHawk
05-01-2009, 01:53 PM
He's just trying to save face.

Tuckdaddy
05-01-2009, 01:58 PM
He just wants forgiveness and back in the league.

seclark
05-01-2009, 01:59 PM
can't teach a dead dog new tricks.
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Frazod
05-01-2009, 02:00 PM
Well, if there's any group out there that hates both people and animals more than Michael Vick, it's PETA.

Micjones
05-01-2009, 02:02 PM
Will this story go away already?
He could've killed a person and the conversation would've been long over by now.

Brock
05-01-2009, 02:02 PM
A guy who will electrocute a dog is always going to be a guy who will electrocute a dog.

Micjones
05-01-2009, 02:15 PM
A guy who will electrocute a dog is always going to be a guy who will electrocute a dog.

Yeah, because people who kill people never change.
:rolleyes:

Brock
05-01-2009, 02:18 PM
Yeah, because people who kill people never change.
:rolleyes:

People who torture and kill people probably never do change.

Gee, I wonder why you're arguing about this? :rolleyes:

KCtotheSB
05-01-2009, 02:27 PM
Affliated with PETA?
This makes me hate him MORE.

Micjones
05-01-2009, 02:32 PM
People who torture and kill people probably never do change.

Gee, I wonder why you're arguing about this? :rolleyes:

Because I hate it when self-righteous people pretend they haven't made mistakes in life.

Don't nudge too hard.
There's a discussion behind all of this you REALLY don't wanna have.

Soupnazi
05-01-2009, 02:33 PM
What a friggin' joke. I'm disgusted at what the guy did, but he's served his punishment. This is all just about making people who really shouldn't care about him feel better about him.

Micjones
05-01-2009, 02:34 PM
What a friggin' joke. I'm disgusted at what the guy did, but he's served his punishment. This is all just about making people who really shouldn't care about him feel better about him.

:clap:

Brock
05-01-2009, 02:40 PM
There's a discussion behind all of this you REALLY don't wanna have.

Oh, I want to have it. Believe that. It's pretty simple, you have no objectivity.

Frazod
05-01-2009, 02:43 PM
Because I hate it when self-righteous people pretend they haven't made mistakes in life.

Don't nudge too hard.
There's a discussion behind all of this you REALLY don't wanna have.

I've done some pretty messed up things in my life. However, none of them compare to the systematic torture, abuse and killing of dogs.

And if you really believe Vick is sorry, well, I've got some swampland in Arizona to sell you.

Brock
05-01-2009, 02:44 PM
I've done some pretty messed up things in my life. However, none of them compare to the systematic torture, abuse and killing of dogs.

And if you really believe Vick is sorry, well, I've got some swampland in Arizona to sell you.

haven't you heard, sociopaths can change too.

Soupnazi
05-01-2009, 02:45 PM
And if you really believe Vick is sorry, well, I've got some swampland in Arizona to sell you.

Exactly.

Duck Dog
05-01-2009, 02:47 PM
A guy who will electrocute a dog is always going to be a guy who will electrocute a dog.

It's obvious to most.

KCChiefsMan
05-01-2009, 02:48 PM
Wear fur?

I'd rather smoke weed

Chiefnj2
05-01-2009, 02:52 PM
PETA love any attention they get. I can't believe the amount of money they waste and the number of animals they kill.

Micjones
05-01-2009, 04:18 PM
Oh, I want to have it. Believe that. It's pretty simple, you have no objectivity.

I've never had trouble with being objective.

Put your cards on the table though Brock.
Tell me why I struggle with being objective.
I hope you have plenty of free time afterwards.

Micjones
05-01-2009, 04:21 PM
I've done some pretty messed up things in my life. However, none of them compare to the systematic torture, abuse and killing of dogs.

I'm willing to bet that most people have never wantonly tortured an animal.
But many of them are conveniently mum on the issue of dogracing. Which is significantly more heinous in terms of sheer numbers. A great number of them also conveniently say hunting animals or being meat-eaters is quite different (ironically, PETA disagrees with them).

I tend to believe that being a perpetrator of other misdeeds I can't exactly be an arbiter for the degree of any. I'm really in no place to be self-righteous.

I personally would NEVER torture an animal, but I'm also not going to pretend that people haven't way overblown the issue.

Michael Vick could've killed a human being and there would've been less backlash.

And if you really believe Vick is sorry, well, I've got some swampland in Arizona to sell you.

I don't know whether he's truly sorry or not.
I think it's hilarious that others are pretending to.
No one can truly see inside the man's heart. No one on Earth anyway.

Ultimately, that's between him and the man upstairs.

RNR
05-01-2009, 04:26 PM
LMAO Just what the dumps at PETA need another dump...I just never thought that dump would want to hangout with those dumps :spock:

Brock
05-01-2009, 04:28 PM
I've never had trouble with being objective.

Put your cards on the table though Brock.
Tell me why I struggle with being objective.
I hope you have plenty of free time afterwards.

This is the second time you've acted like having a discussion with you is something I shouldn't want. It isn't a big deal to me, honestly, I already know what to expect. It isn't like you vary your arguments or viewpoints much. Trust me, I'm not concerned at all. Fire away.

Micjones
05-01-2009, 04:30 PM
This is the second time you've acted like having a discussion with you is something I shouldn't want. It isn't a big deal to me, honestly, I already know what to expect. It isn't like you vary your arguments or viewpoints much. Trust me, I'm not concerned at all. Fire away.

I believe you started this by pretending to know why I've taken this stance.
You haven't yet clarified those reasons.

You have the right of way sir.

Tell me why I cannot be objective.

Pioli Zombie
05-01-2009, 04:45 PM
Because I hate it when self-righteous people pretend they haven't made mistakes in life.

Don't nudge too hard.
There's a discussion behind all of this you REALLY don't wanna have.

I love it when people call killing a "mistake".

Oops. I killed someone. Ooops I tortured dogs.

As if EVERYONE does it.

OOOOPSY DAISY people make mistakes. BLAM! BLAM!
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Jenson71
05-01-2009, 04:49 PM
He might want to, but I bet Vick will never hurt torture a dog again.

PETA is insane though. There are better animal protection groups out there.

Micjones
05-01-2009, 04:50 PM
I love it when people call killing a "mistake".

Oops. I killed someone. Ooops I tortured dogs.

As if EVERYONE does it.

OOOOPSY DAISY people make mistakes. BLAM! BLAM!
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I love it when people confuse the definition of "mistake" with "accident".

Pioli Zombie
05-01-2009, 04:52 PM
He might want to, but I bet Vick will never hurt torture a dog again.

He has to go to DTA. Dog Torturers Anonymous.

We admitted we were powerless over torturing dogs and that our lives had become unmanageable.

"Hi, my name is Mike. And I'm a dog killer. I have the urge today. I have it bad. I need a dog to torture,man. But I got this chip. I worked too hard for it I'm not gonna blow my dog killing sobriety.
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Pioli Zombie
05-01-2009, 04:54 PM
I love it when people confuse the definition of "mistake" with "accident".

What accident?

Killing and torturing isn't a mistake or an accident. Its a choice someone made.
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RNR
05-01-2009, 04:54 PM
Will this story go away already?
He could've killed a person and the conversation would've been long over by now.

A person can defend themshelves. It does not make it ok but the animals were unable to put up a defense. The things he did are some sick shit way beyond just killing. That said I ask because I really wonder. If say a country redneck type guy pulled this act like Jared Allen. Would you have the same stance? Would you roll your eyes about it and give him the same benifit of the doubt you have given Vick in your other replies?

Micjones
05-01-2009, 05:03 PM
What accident?

Killing and torturing isn't a mistake or an accident. Its a choice someone made.
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*Sigh*
Mistake does not imply that the action was involuntary.

Pioli Zombie
05-01-2009, 05:06 PM
*Sigh*
Mistake does not imply that the action was involuntary.
Oh for Gods sake out with it, man! Who did you run over with your car???
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Micjones
05-01-2009, 05:06 PM
A person can defend themshelves. It does not make it ok but the animals were unable to put up a defense.

Tell that to the pitbulls who are routinely put to death after mauling some 10-year old kid.

The things he did are some sick shit way beyond just killing. That said I ask because I really wonder. If say a country redneck type guy pulled this act like Jared Allen. Would you have the same stance? Would you roll your eyes about it and give him the same benifit of the doubt you have given Vick in your other replies?

Redneck I believe his actions were completely and utterly wrong and immoral.
That said, all of the backlash that has accompanied this issue is ridiculous.
Especially considering how people are terribly dismissive of equally inhumane treatment of animals.

Micjones
05-01-2009, 05:07 PM
Oh for Gods sake out with it, man! Who did you run over with your car???
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It's fairly simple.

People confuse "mistake" with "accident".
A dictionary can cure that.

Pioli Zombie
05-01-2009, 05:14 PM
It's fairly simple.

People confuse "mistake" with "accident".
A dictionary can cure that.

Ok. I think anyone with a brain can seperate
Accident
Mistake
Sick and demented act

Spilling milk is an accident

Making a bad decision is a mistake.

Killing a person or torturing a dog goes beyond making a bad decision. Everybody makes bad decisions. It doesn't make us all sick fucks.

I'm tired ofg people who rape or murder or pistol whip someone or torture animals or beat up children saying they made "mistakes".
its a sick fuck act that isn't a everybody does it occurance.

I had a car wreck. Accident

I invested poorly and took the wrong job or married the wrong person
Mistake

I tortured and killed dogs
Sick fuck

Get it?
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Micjones
05-01-2009, 05:18 PM
Ok. I think anyone with a brain can seperate
Accident
Mistake
Sick and demented act

Spilling milk is an accident

Making a bad decision is a mistake.

Killing a person or torturing a dog goes beyond making a bad decision. Everybody makes bad decisions. It doesn't make us all sick fucks.

I'm tired ofg people who rape or murder or pistol whip someone or torture animals or beat up children saying they made "mistakes".
its a sick fuck act that isn't a everybody does it occurance.

I had a car wreck. Accident

I invested poorly and took the wrong job or married the wrong person
Mistake

I tortured and killed dogs
Sick fuck

Get it?
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I get that you're playing the Semantics game and trying to assign yourself as an arbiter of connotative and denotative word definitions.

Again, I've already identified his actions as deplorable.
That; however, doesn't make the word "mistake" any less applicable.

Do you think factory-farming is sick?
Do you think dog-racing is sick?
Do you think killing Iraqi civilians is sick?

RNR
05-01-2009, 05:19 PM
"Tell that to the pitbulls who are routinely put to death after mauling some 10-year old kid." .

So it was a fair fight is your answer :spock: I am sure Vick was in true danger LMAO

"Redneck I believe his actions were completely and utterly wrong and immoral.
That said, all of the backlash that has accompanied this issue is ridiculous.
Especially considering how people are terribly dismissive of equally inhumane treatment of animals."

I have read enough from you to have the opinion that you are a good kid. I agree that when a high profile person does something wrong it gets way too much press. You still did not answer my question. Would your stance be the same if Vick had come from a different back ground?

memyselfI
05-01-2009, 05:22 PM
Wonderful. Perhaps next we can look forward to a Dick Cheney/Amnesty International alliance. :spock:

Micjones
05-01-2009, 05:24 PM
So it was a fair fight is your answer :spock: I am sure Vick was in true danger LMAO

I'm not suggesting that it was a fair fight.
Just interjecting an idea that dogs aren't exactly defenseless.
Especially pitbulls.

I have read enough from you to have the opinion that you are a good kid. I agree that when a high profile person does something wrong it gets way too much press. You still did not answer my question. Would your stance be the same if Vick had come from a different back ground?

Yes. My opinion would not change.

I know the prevailing idea is that I'm merely defending Vick because he's Black.
Certain posters in this thread don't have balls enough to say that.

That's bullshit.

I've said many times that he was wrong and made a horrible decision.

But let's be real about this.
A large number of dog-fighting perps look NOTHING like Michael Vick.
PETA's been on the trails of White dogfighters for YEARS. They've lambasted law enforcement officials in the South for quite some time about how apathetic they've been on the matter over the years.

My point is simply... To be so passionate about the issue, one should apply the same moral standard across the board. If you do...I have no bone to pick with you.

If you don't... You're full of shit and chances are other factors are coloring your opinion.

Pioli Zombie
05-01-2009, 05:24 PM
I get that you're playing the Semantics game and trying to assign yourself as an arbiter of connotative and denotative word definitions.

Again, I've already identified his actions as deplorable.
That; however, doesn't make the word "mistake" any less applicable.

Do you think factory-farming is sick?
Do you think dog-racing is sick?
Do you think killing Iraqi civilians is sick?
Here we go. One of the "everything is relative" and "every one has their own definition of right and wrong" people.
Can't even seperate a person making the wrong decision about everyday decisions and a mean, cruel act

You won't get it because you don't want to.

I guess Hitler made a "mistake".
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Pioli Zombie
05-01-2009, 05:28 PM
One simple question.

If someone is a child molester is he a sick fuck or did he just make a "mistake"?
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Micjones
05-01-2009, 05:29 PM
Here we go. One of the "everything is relative" and "every one has their own definition of right and wrong" people.
Can't even seperate a person making the wrong decision about everyday decisions and a mean, cruel act

You won't get it because you don't want to.

I'm suggesting that there should be some consistency with the moral standard.

Are you suggesting that we should have separate standards for which lives are valuable and which are not?

I guess Hitler made a "mistake".

LMAO

You made my point for me.
Yeah... The facilitation of systematic killing of 12 million people is alot like killing animals.

Thanks PZ!

Micjones
05-01-2009, 05:33 PM
One simple question.

If someone is a child molester is he a sick fuck or did he just make a "mistake"?
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Child molestation is a 1:1 with torturing/killing an animal?

Pioli Zombie
05-01-2009, 05:35 PM
I'm suggesting that there should be some consistency with the moral standard.

Are you suggesting that we should have separate standards for which lives are valuable and which are not?



LMAO

You made my point for me.
Yeah... The facilitation of systematic killing of 12 million people is alot like killing animals.

Thanks PZ!

Wtf are you talking about? What inconsistancy?

It was you who wants to minimize violent behavior by calling it a "mistake"

Judge I'm sorry I tortured those people, burned that child, killed that dog. It was a mistake

What bullshit.

And you know very well I wasmnt saying what Vick did was the same as Hitler. The point was sick and violent behavior is more than a mistake.
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RNR
05-01-2009, 05:38 PM
I'm not suggesting that it was a fair fight.
Just interjecting an idea that dogs aren't exactly defenseless.
Especially pitbulls.



Yes. My opinion would not change.

I know the prevailing idea is that I'm merely defending Vick because he's Black.
Certain posters in this thread don't have balls enough to say that.

That's bullshit.

I've said many times that he was wrong and made a horrible decision.

But let's be real about this.
A large number of dog-fighting perps look NOTHING like Michael Vick.
PETA's been on the trails of White dogfighters for YEARS. They've lambasted law enforcement officials in the South for quite some time about how apathetic they've been on the matter over the years.

My point is simply... To be so passionate about the issue. One should apply the same moral standard across the board. If you do...I have no bone to pick with you.

If you don't... You're full of shit and chances are other factors are coloring your opinion.
Well You know me well enough that I am not afraid to ask. The reason I did is because most of the threads we have talked to each other on are are related to you defending a issue over the black race. That said I will take you on your word. I also feel the same about crime a dump is a dump no matter their color. I think Vick is a dump and have a hard time buying he has changed. As far as the pitbull answer Vick or any other of the people who fight dogs do not put themselves in harms way. And PETA is a group of wack job idiots IMO

RNR
05-01-2009, 05:42 PM
Child molestation is a 1:1 with torturing/killing an animal?

Both are sick ****s however if given the choice I would shoot a child molester and throw a person torturing/killing animals in jail, but I am not a judge

Micjones
05-01-2009, 05:43 PM
Wtf are you talking about? What inconsistancy?

It was you who wants to minimize violent behavior by calling it a "mistake"

I'm not suggesting that his actions were involuntary.
It's apparent that you would characterize what he did as something other than a mistake. Obviously that term isn't sufficient in describing a wanton and willful act. I'm fine with that. Assign your own term.

Ultimately that doesn't exactly justify this seemingly unending backlash.
Nor does it explain away the hypocrisy that typically accompanies this discussion.

You had better be vegan to talk about the equitable treatment of animals.
Otherwise you're applying a moral standard arbitrarily.

Judge I'm sorry I tortured those people, burned that child, killed that dog. It was a mistake

What bullshit.

This is the second time that you've managed to draw a comparison between torturing/killing an animal and mutilating/abusing a human being. It should be noted that you've upped the emotional ante by using "child" in your latest example.

Am I to assume that this is merely coincedental (it's happened twice mind you)?
Perhaps it was just a "mistake"?
LMAO

I keed, I keed...

Again, it's not a 1:1 and you know that.
Stop playing that game.

And you know very well I wasmnt saying what Vick did was the same as Hitler. The point was sick and violent behavior is more than a mistake.
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If it doesn't serve as a sufficient example, I'm wondering why you brought it up?

Micjones
05-01-2009, 05:45 PM
Well You know me well enough that I am not afraid to ask. The reason I did is because most of the threads we have talked to each other on are are related to you defending a issue over the black race.

And for good reason.
But let's not pretend that I always come to defense of those I bear resemblance to.

I've been consistently outspoken about Jason Whitlock.
And he's just as Black as I am.

RNR
05-01-2009, 05:54 PM
And for good reason.
But let's not pretend that I always come to defense of those I bear resemblance to.

I've been consistently outspoken about Jason Whitlock.
And he's just as Black as I am.

As I said I took you at your word and was refering to the threads you and I have talked on. I have no knowledge of your Whitlock threads. He is black but has also been very critical of the black race. At this point I will step out of the debate as you have answered my question and I am bored with the subject of Vick and PETA

Micjones
05-01-2009, 05:56 PM
As I said I took you at your word and was refering to the threads you and I have talked on. I have no knowledge of your Whitlock threads. He is black but has also been very critical of the black race. At this point I will step out of the debate as you have answered my question and I am bored with the subject of Vick and PETA

Fair enough.

Whitlock is wrong on more than just the issue of Black America.
But, I get what you're saying...

philfree
05-01-2009, 06:02 PM
I'm not suggesting that his actions were involuntary.
It's obvious that you would characterize what he did as something other than a mistake. Obviously that term isn't sufficient in describing a wanton and willful act. I'm fine with that. Assign your own term.

Ultimately that doesn't exactly justify this seemingly unending backlash.Nor does it explain away the hypocrisy that typically accompanies this discusison.

You had better be a vegan to talk about the equitable treatment of animals.
Otherwise you're applying a moral standard arbitrarily.

This is the second time that you've managed to draw a comparison between torturing/killing an animal and mutilating/abusing a human being. It should be noted that you've upped the emotional ante by using "child" in your latest example.

Am I to assume that this is merely coincedental?
Again, it's not a 1:1 and you know that.
Stop playing that game.



If it doesn't serve as a sufficient example, I'm wondering why you brought it up?


Vick brutalized, tortured and killed these dogs himself. He let them fight to the death or till they were torn apart. He did these things over and over. The backlash is warranted and the idea of him being a PETA spokesman is a very bad joke. I don't think to many farmers torture their livestock either.


PhilFree:arrow:

JASONSAUTO
05-01-2009, 06:26 PM
didnt leonard little kill a person while drunk??? this has been publicized MUCH MORE than that

googlegoogle
05-01-2009, 07:20 PM
Peta = total joke.

Amazing they get any publicity.

Bwana
05-01-2009, 08:00 PM
He needs a gun shot wound or two........fuck PETA.

Pioli Zombie
05-01-2009, 09:34 PM
Ok, so if one eats a steak, one is just as bad as Michael Vick.

Alriggggghhhhhtttttyyyy then.
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cdcox
05-01-2009, 09:41 PM
And now Vick pisses off all of the pet owning carnivores.

Pablo
05-01-2009, 09:42 PM
didnt leonard little kill a person while drunk??? this has been publicized MUCH MORE than thatNo shit.

I can't even remember the name of that WR that hit some guy in Miami when he was drunk and killed him right now; but I'll sure as f*ck remember Mike Vick fought and shot some pitbulls 20 years from now.

DeezNutz
05-01-2009, 09:46 PM
Because I hate it when self-righteous people pretend they haven't made mistakes in life.


I've made all kinds of mistakes.

This wasn't a mistake.

DeezNutz
05-01-2009, 09:48 PM
didnt leonard little kill a person while drunk??? this has been publicized MUCH MORE than that

Cause dogs > most people.

Somewhat kidding.

It's a backlash to crimes against "innocence," and all things nature are going to be perceived as falling into this category.