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chiefzilla1501
05-03-2009, 03:18 PM
Okay, ARod deserves what he's getting, but I still can't help but wonder why he's being furiously targeted for his steroids usage and yet nobody in the media is questioning whether Big Papi may have used as well. Same goes with Bonds and a lot moreso--this was a guy that passed all of his tests, and yet people speculated about his steroid usage for years.

Look at the track record. He was below average in Minnesota and then out of nowhere becomes one of the best sluggers in the game. Mysteriously, after the league started implementing tougher steroid policies, he's gotten a lot worse (and now, the claim is that he is really struggling to keep up with fastballs). In the process, he's been linked to a heart problem that is often a symptom of overuse of steroids and hidden very deep into ARod's steroid investigation was the fact that Papi was linked to the same steroid supplier that ARod was.

Yes, I'm a Yankees fan, but I think the argument is still legit. For some reason, the MLB and the media don't seem to be holding Red Sox players to the same standards (starting with the obvious and ridiculous use of a Red Sox Executive to conduct the steroids investigation a few years ago). ARod and Bonds are both pompous jerks, but should Papi not be undergoing the same scrutiny simply because he's well liked in the media?

MoreLemonPledge
05-03-2009, 03:21 PM
A-Rod was considered the face of the sport. Best player, best paid, and never linked to steroids. It's a great story.

Bonds broke the home run records in the midst of a steroid controversy. It's a great story.

Ortiz has been a clutch hitter, but it just doesn't make for a great story like A-Rod and Bonds.

Pioli Zombie
05-03-2009, 03:25 PM
It might be because Ortiz looks like a big fat guy, not the perfect speciman type.
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seaofred
05-03-2009, 03:26 PM
I think over the next few years, a lot of players are going to be linked to roids. I wouldn't be surprised by the time it's all over we don't hear that Pujols, Ortiz, Jeter, Derrick Lee, and maybe even Berkman we all users.

Buehler445
05-03-2009, 03:27 PM
ARod was in line to be one of the game's best hitters. Ortiz was not.
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Fruit Ninja
05-03-2009, 03:38 PM
does steriods give you better hand eye coordination as well? This is an honest question, i dont know.

Dude can hit for average as well. It also hurt that Manny isnt there with him anymore. Just look at what Manny has done for the Dodgers line up. Its insane. Soon as he got to L.A we just started scoring crazy runs. Its carried into this year as well. Dodgers now have the best record in Baseball and our pitching staff isnt even up to par.

MoreLemonPledge
05-03-2009, 03:40 PM
does steriods give you better hand eye coordination as well? This is an honest question, i dont know.

If they did, anybody would be a stud. You have to have the coordination, mechanics, and general knowledge in conjunction with the steroids. Steroids only give a slight edge, but with everything else in order, they can make a significant difference.

Pioli Zombie
05-03-2009, 03:40 PM
As a Red Sox fan I've always been convinced Nomar used it. A skinny guy in the minors he came up in 1997 and hit 30 HRs. Then he got real bulked up and then his body fell apart.
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Fruit Ninja
05-03-2009, 03:50 PM
Well, some people can put on muscle very very easy. When i was about 22 years old, i started to weight lift fairly seriously and i got strong very very strong in about 6 months. I never once took any kind of supplements whatsoever. I just ate alot of baked chicken ALOT. lol

I went from pretty much never weight lifting to bench pressing 350lbs in about 6-7 months. Btw i am only 5'9. I remember the guys at the gym were like wtf are you taken to gain strength so fast, i was like nothing. I didnt do anything but hit the gym 4-5 times a week.

So its not really hard to gain muscle if people start to actually work out legit.

Valiant
05-03-2009, 03:58 PM
Okay, ARod deserves what he's getting, but I still can't help but wonder why he's being furiously targeted for his steroids usage and yet nobody in the media is questioning whether Big Papi may have used as well. Same goes with Bonds and a lot moreso--this was a guy that passed all of his tests, and yet people speculated about his steroid usage for years.

Look at the track record. He was below average in Minnesota and then out of nowhere becomes one of the best sluggers in the game. Mysteriously, after the league started implementing tougher steroid policies, he's gotten a lot worse (and now, the claim is that he is really struggling to keep up with fastballs). In the process, he's been linked to a heart problem that is often a symptom of overuse of steroids and hidden very deep into ARod's steroid investigation was the fact that Papi was linked to the same steroid supplier that ARod was.

Yes, I'm a Yankees fan, but I think the argument is still legit. For some reason, the MLB and the media don't seem to be holding Red Sox players to the same standards (starting with the obvious and ridiculous use of a Red Sox Executive to conduct the steroids investigation a few years ago). ARod and Bonds are both pompous jerks, but should Papi not be undergoing the same scrutiny simply because he's well liked in the media?

You have to get caught first.. That is the only difference.. There is no mlb coverup with your rivals..

chiefzilla1501
05-08-2009, 12:36 PM
You have to get caught first.. That is the only difference.. There is no mlb coverup with your rivals..

That's not exactly true. Bonds and McGwire were never busted for steroids usage. There is only speculation that they have. Worse, how about a book that is about to be released that is accusing ARod of steroid usage and tipping pitches based on anonymous sources--a complete no-no in the journalism world.

I don't think the MLB is covering up for Ortiz because he plays for the Red Sox. I think they're covering up for him because he's a well-liked guy. You can't tell me there isn't suspicion. This is a guy who was hitting 20 HRs his entire career and then out of nowhere becomes one of the elite sluggers in the game even eclipsing the major benchmark of 50 HRs--do we truly believe that a player suddenly finds 40-50 HR power after 8 below average seasons in the Big Leagues? This is a guy whose hitting has slipped big time the year that the MLB got really serious about steroid testing. This is a guy that is really late on hitting fastballs (pretty significant, given that steroids can help you improve your bat speed and catch up with fastballs). Or how about the fact that Ortiz was hospitalized with an irregular heartbeat that was apparently kept very, very hush hush--nevermind that heart conditions are one of the top negative side effects of steroid usage. Or how about the fact that two of his closest friends, Manny and ARod, have both been tagged with performance enhancers. Better yet, tell me why nobody has even once wondered why David Ortiz was linked to the same steroid dealer as ARod?

It's pretty simple: Bonds and Sosa both showed similar symptoms of steroid usage, yet Bonds was heavily targeted and Sosa was barely accused. Sosa was likeable, Bonds was not. As for if the Yankees are being unfairly targeted, everyone got what they deserved. But it does beg the question of why a supposedly independent steroid investigation was led by a Red Sox part-owner and that several VERY high profile Yankees were implicated and 0 impact Red Sox were.

Innocent until proven guilty. But given that people are railing on ARod based on hearsay from uncredible sources, I think it's perfectly fair to question why Ortiz is using given all those factors above. And by the way, it's a complete myth to assume that you use steroids, you can't be pudgy.

Rooster
05-08-2009, 12:48 PM
Yes, I'm a Yankees fan, but

Unacceptable.:shake:

Valiant
05-08-2009, 12:52 PM
That's not exactly true. Bonds and McGwire were never busted for steroids usage. There is only speculation that they have. Worse, how about a book that is about to be released that is accusing ARod of steroid usage and tipping pitches based on anonymous sources--a complete no-no in the journalism world.

I don't think the MLB is covering up for Ortiz because he plays for the Red Sox. I think they're covering up for him because he's a well-liked guy. You can't tell me there isn't suspicion. This is a guy who was hitting 20 HRs his entire career and then out of nowhere becomes one of the elite sluggers in the game even eclipsing the major benchmark of 50 HRs--do we truly believe that a player suddenly finds 40-50 HR power after 8 below average seasons in the Big Leagues? This is a guy whose hitting has slipped big time the year that the MLB got really serious about steroid testing. This is a guy that is really late on hitting fastballs (pretty significant, given that steroids can help you improve your bat speed and catch up with fastballs). Or how about the fact that Ortiz was hospitalized with an irregular heartbeat that was apparently kept very, very hush hush--nevermind that heart conditions are one of the top negative side effects of steroid usage. Or how about the fact that two of his closest friends, Manny and ARod, have both been tagged with performance enhancers. Better yet, tell me why nobody has even once wondered why David Ortiz was linked to the same steroid dealer as ARod?

It's pretty simple: Bonds and Sosa both showed similar symptoms of steroid usage, yet Bonds was heavily targeted and Sosa was barely accused. Sosa was likeable, Bonds was not. As for if the Yankees are being unfairly targeted, everyone got what they deserved. But it does beg the question of why a supposedly independent steroid investigation was led by a Red Sox part-owner and that several VERY high profile Yankees were implicated and 0 impact Red Sox were.

Innocent until proven guilty. But given that people are railing on ARod based on hearsay from uncredible sources, I think it's perfectly fair to question why Ortiz is using given all those factors above. And by the way, it's a complete myth to assume that you use steroids, you can't be pudgy.

Dude I was just saying it was not being covered up because he was a bosox.. I think you read too much into the sentence.. The other well like allstars got caught..

warrior
05-08-2009, 01:37 PM
Yankees fan nuff said, how's that big payroll working for ya.

cmh6476
05-08-2009, 01:52 PM
i dont know but for fantasy purposesd I wish papi would quit sucking

MIAdragon
05-08-2009, 02:26 PM
i dont know but for fantasy purposesd I wish papi would quit sucking

He's done. Move on.

CoMoChief
05-08-2009, 02:32 PM
Ortiz has taken my fant bball team and ****ed it right up the ass.

I was thinking that he was going to have a great year and traded away David Wright (my 1st overall pick) for David Ortiz and Carl Crawford. I already had Aramis Ramirez at 3B so I thought it was a smart move.

Crawford has paid off dearly.......I'm still waiting on Ortiz to come around.

This story is fuckin retarded though. He's a big dude. He's trimmed down but has been on a diet from what I've read. Steroids dont improve hand-eye coordination.

Basileus777
05-08-2009, 02:45 PM
Anyone with a brain can tell Ortiz was juicing.

L.A. Chieffan
05-08-2009, 03:23 PM
He might be off the juice but he really sucks because manny isnt hitting behind him anymore

JuicesFlowing
05-08-2009, 04:11 PM
Is there any player who isn't using steroids? I'd be surprised if anyone in MLB was truly "clean." I guess it makes it an even playing field that way though.

Mr. Krab
05-08-2009, 04:38 PM
If anyone ever gets wind of anything that implicates Ortiz with steriods they will smash him to bits too.

MIAdragon
05-08-2009, 04:53 PM
He might be off the juice but he really sucks because manny isnt hitting behind him anymore

LMAO thats so not true.

L.A. Chieffan
05-08-2009, 05:01 PM
LMAO thats so not true.

Makes too much sense for you, huh? I can understand dude.

MIAdragon
05-08-2009, 05:13 PM
Makes too much sense for you, huh? I can understand dude.

LMAO Einstein then please explain how in his break out year in 2003 he hit in the 4spot BEHIND Manny or how he tore the cover off the ball from 8/7/04 to 5/13/05 when Manny was on the DL.

In 100 games in a Sox uni in 08 Manny put up these stats.

299 BA 398 OBP 529 SLG 136 OPS+ with 20 HR's

The POS Ortiz is hitting infront of now put up these

312 BA 390 OBP 569 SLG 143 OPS+ with 29 HR's

Yea too much sense for me.........

L.A. Chieffan
05-08-2009, 05:35 PM
Dude, he sucked in Minnesota. Puts up insane #'s in Boston, Manny leaves and he sucks again.

Meanwhile the Dodger lineup is scoring runs like never before.

I'm too lazy too look up stats but I could find some shit, whatever meh

MIAdragon
05-08-2009, 05:56 PM
Dude, he sucked in Minnesota. Puts up insane #'s in Boston, Manny leaves and he sucks again.

Meanwhile the Dodger lineup is scoring runs like never before.

I'm too lazy too look up stats but I could find some shit, whatever meh

lmao were the actual stats I posted not enough?

SPATCH
05-08-2009, 06:08 PM
Is there any player who isn't using steroids? I'd be surprised if anyone in MLB was truly "clean." I guess it makes it an even playing field that way though.

the 2009 kansas city royals 40-man roster

penchief
05-08-2009, 06:09 PM
I think over the next few years, a lot of players are going to be linked to roids. I wouldn't be surprised by the time it's all over we don't hear that Pujols, Ortiz, Jeter, Derrick Lee, and maybe even Berkman we all users.

Uh, I'll bet Jeter is one guy that is clean. Dude has never really changed his body size other than the natural filling out that goes on during the twenties. Never really suffered the mysterious injuries that have beset many of the steroid users. And has never totaled more than 20 homers in a season.

He's pretty much the exact same player he was when he entered the league. Which is a very consistent .315 lifetime hitter who gets close to 200 hits every year by driving the ball to the opposite field with a beautiful inside out swing. Only difference is that he is slowing down with age.

Nightfyre
05-08-2009, 06:32 PM
Yankees fan? I think THAT deserves a neg-rep bomb.

SPATCH
05-08-2009, 06:35 PM
Yankees fan? I think THAT deserves a neg-rep bomb.

for real... and i think he's from texas

i can only respect a yankee fan if he is born and raised in the bronx... if you're from anywhere else u can S on the D..

you're from texas, right zilla?

Amnorix
05-08-2009, 08:26 PM
He might be off the juice but he really sucks because manny isnt hitting behind him anymore

Yeah, Youk batting .350 provides no protection... :spock:

Amnorix
05-08-2009, 08:30 PM
Sports Guy, as usual, nails the Boston mindset:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/090507&sportCat=mlb
Dateline: May 7, 2014




My son and I have flown from California to spend the week in Boston. He is a little more than 6 at this point. He has never set foot in Fenway Park. The time is right. He likes baseball. He likes the Red Sox. He's a little sports encyclopedia. I have brainwashed him. He is just old enough to understand the significance of his first Fenway game and, more importantly, old enough that he'll be able to remember the experience decades later.

We bring my father with us. Three generations of the Simmons family taking in a Yankees-Red Sox game for the first time. This should be a wonderful moment. A signature moment, even.




We find our $1,500 seats in the lower boxes near third base. We are sitting in Best Buy's Section 61, which is right between Bob's Discount Furniture's Section 60 and Costco's Section 62. Every section has a sponsor now. The Green Monster is now called "The Pepsi Green Monster" and has a big Pepsi can painted on it. Ted Williams' special seat in right field is now sponsored by Muscle Milk. Even home plate is sponsored by Dunkin' Donuts. Has the logo on it and everything. That's just the way sports work now.



We settle into our seats. I point toward the championship banners over the first-base side. They go in order: 1903, 1904, 1912, 1915, 1916, 1918, 2004, 2007. Ever since Boston won the World Series 10 years ago, I always imagined pointing to that 2004 banner and telling my little boy, "That's the team that changed everything."



So that's what I do. I point at the banner and tell him, "That's the team that changed everything."



"Isn't that the team that cheated?" he asks.




My father and I glance at each other. A few beats pass.



"Well, technically, no," I stammer. "I mean ..."



"I thought they had a whole bunch of steroids guys on that team," he says.



"Well, there have been some accusations, and yeah, some of the power numbers were a little suspicious, but ..."



"I'd do it again!" my dad yells happily.



"Dad!"



I shake my head at him. He shrugs. The thing is, he WOULD do it again. He wanted to see the Red Sox win the World Series in his lifetime. He worried about it constantly. So did I. So did every Red Sox fan. We worried about living a full life, then dying, without ever seeing them win. All of us knew people who fit in that category. None of us wanted to end up in there.



All of us would have made a deal with the devil at the time. And maybe we did. We just didn't know it.



"Nothing was ever really proved," I tell my son, trying to keep up the good fight.



He ignores me and starts rattling through our 2004 lineup with creepy precision. He points out Nomar Garciaparra's remarkable 1999 and 2000 seasons, his subsequent tendon injuries and how his career played out so blandly afterward for reasons that remain unclear. My dad points out the Sox traded Nomar midway through the 2004 season. Technically, that debate shouldn't even matter. Score one for Dad.



"But what about Trot Nixon and Bill Mueller?" my son says. "They missed a bunch of games every year with injuries, put on weight when they were skinny guys, peaked quickly and were never seen again. Same for Mark Bellhorn, right? That's suspicious."



"Well," I say, "their names never came up in anything, so that's not really fair ..."



"And Kevin Millar, he had a few big homer years, then his power numbers went way down once the testing started."



"That's true, but it doesn't prove anything ..."



"And Johnny Damon, he got bigger and started hitting for more power even though he was a singles hitter, right?"



"Well ..."



"And what about Big Papi?" he wonders. "Played for Minnesota, didn't hit for power, came to the Red Sox, turned into the best slugger in the league, and as soon as they cracked down on steroids, he stopped hitting homers again. And he was friends with all the other Dominican players who were linked to performance-enhancing drugs. What about him?"




Silence. Nobody says anything.



Finally, my dad steps in: "He had an inside-outside swing at Minnesota, when he came to Boston, we encouraged him to pull the ball, so ..."



"Come on, Gramps!" my son says. "That's dumb, and you know it."



We glance out to the field. Big Papi is one of Boston's coaches now. After he hit 54 homers in 2006, his career was over within four years. Now he's just a fat guy in his early 40s coaching first base. You would never guess this is the same guy who carried us in 2004, the guy who fueled the Greatest Comeback Ever, the guy who helped convince an entire fan base that, yes, we could believe.



"And what about Manny?" my son asks. "He tested positive for performance enhancers in 2009 with the Dodgers. How do you know he wasn't using that whole time?"



"Well, we don't," I say. "But that was kind of a fluke -- he had a doctor in Florida who prescribed him a banned substance, and ..."



"Come on, Dad, I read your Red Sox book. You said that at least you knew Manny couldn't have ever used steroids because he was too dumb to figure out how to stick to a cycle. Then he tested positive. You were, like, his biggest fan. You wrote a big piece (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/eticket/story?page=manny) after he got traded that was so long, it took me a week to read it."



"I told him not to write that column," my dad says. "Manny needed to go. He was a selfish jerk. Your father had blinders on ..."



"Come on, that's not fair," I say. "I loved the guy. He was on the team for more than eight years. He helped us end the curse. He made our lives as Red Sox fans more fun. He was like family. I wasn't gonna dump the guy from my life after everything he did just because his agent poisoned him against the team."



"But you defended him and said he was a good guy at heart," my son says. "And then he cheated, right? So how does that make him a good guy?"



I take a deep breath.



"It doesn't make him a good guy," I say. "You don't understand what it was like to follow baseball before you were born. There was a strike in 1994, and the World Series was canceled. Everyone hated baseball. Then Mark McGwire and Sammy Sosa started hitting homers, and the balls started flying out of the park, and it was so much fun that everyone looked the other way. We didn't care that these guys were practically busting out of their skin or growing second foreheads. We really didn't. All the cheating made baseball more fun to watch. We were in denial. It was weird.



"Then, Barry Bonds hit 73 home runs in a season, and that was like the turning point. We realized that things had gone too far. We blamed him for cheating and looked the other way with dozens of other guys who might have been doing the same thing. Brady Anderson hit 50 homers in 1996; we didn't care. Bret Boone had 141 RBIs in a season; we didn't care. Big Papi went from 10 homers to 41 in four seasons; we didn't care. Roger Clemens was washed up, but suddenly he could throw 98 miles per hour and win Cy Youngs again; we didn't care. Eric Gagne saved 84 straight games and threw 120 miles an hour; we didn't care. Good players started blowing out tendons nobody had ever heard of; we didn't care. Pitchers blew out elbow tendons and shoulder ligaments routinely; we didn't care. This was the deal. They cheated; we pretended they didn't. It's really hard to explain unless you were there."



My son tries to soak everything in. That's lot to process for a 6-year-old.


Finally ...



"So when the Red Sox won in 2004, did you know some of the guys might have been cheating?" he asks.



"At the time?" I answer. "No. Either we were in total denial, or we just didn't care."



"I'd do it again!" my dad yells happily, getting another withering glare from me.



"You have to understand," I say. "EVERYONE cheated back then. You know how I drive 80 on the highway even though all the signs say to go 55? That's how everyone thought back then -- the signs said one thing, but everyone did the other. There were so many people cheating that, competitively, you almost had to cheat to keep up with everyone else."


"So why didn't the people in charge get everyone to stop cheating?" my son asks.



"I wish I knew. The players' union didn't care, the commissioner's office didn't care, nobody cared. Until it was too late."



"So you won the World Series twice because of Manny and Papi," my son says, "but they might have been cheating the whole time, and so were some of their teammates? Dad, your whole book (http://www.amazon.com/Now-Can-Die-Peace-Salvation/dp/1933060727/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1237917008&sr=8-1) was about how you could die in peace (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/041028) because they won in 2004. If they cheated to win, does that make what happened OK?"



The question hangs in the air. And hangs. And hangs.



"I don't know," I finally answer. "I still haven't figured that part out. Again, you don't understand what it was like. Everyone was cheating, so the playing field was kind of even, as weird as that sounds. You can't imagine how depressing it was to be a Red Sox fan at the time. Things always went wrong. We hadn't won in 86 years. We were the whipping boy of the Yankees. We always expected the worst to happen, mainly because the worst always did happen. That 2004 title made life easier for everyone. We could just follow the team without all the other negative crap. Does that make sense?"



"I guess," he says, nodding. "But Manny was your favorite hitter on that team. And he tested positive later. Is he still your favorite hitter?"


"Yes and no," I say. "No, because he cheated. Yes, because whether he was cheating or not, I can't forget watching him hit baseballs on a daily basis. I just can't. You should have seen him. Perfect swing, perfect balance, perfect everything. He was a hitting savant. That's the funny thing -- he didn't NEED to cheat. The guy was put on the earth to hit.


"But he did cheat," my son says.



"He did. Yes. He did."



"So he's not your favorite player from that team now?"



"He never was; Pedro Martinez was. Manny was my favorite hitter. I loved Pedro the most."



I am dreading the next question. I am dreading it. I do not want him to ask it. I know it's coming.



"Did Pedro cheat?"



Silence.



I take a deep breath. So does my father. You can't describe in a few tidy sentences, off the cuff, what it was like to watch Pedro Martinez pitch in 1999 and 2000. To paraphrase Joe Mantegna in "Searching for Bobby Fischer," Pedro was better at pitching than you or I will ever be at anything. He had swagger. He had four A-plus pitches. He had everything. He spurred me to buy tickets from scalpers when I was broke. I would do it again. I watched Pedro Martinez pitch at his apex at Fenway Park. I get to brag about this when I'm old. He's the one guy who didn't cheat. He definitely didn't cheat. I bet anything, the man did not cheat.



Do I say this to my son? No. He wouldn't believe me.



"I looked at Pedro's numbers," my son says. "He peaked for like three years right as the steroids era was going, then he battled injuries and never did as well. Fits the profile, right?"



"Nah, I don't see it," my father says. "He was skinnier than you are. Steroids make you bulk up. Pedro was like a buck-sixty soaking wet."



"I don't see it, either," I say. "I don't think he did."



"But you don't know?" my son asks me.



"Honestly? I don't know anything anymore."



We look at the 2004 banner again. I always thought that, for the rest of my life, I would look at that banner and think only good thoughts. Now, there's a mental asterisk that won't go away. I wish I could take a pill to shake it from my brain. I see 2004 and 2007, and think of Manny and Papi first and foremost. The modern-day Ruth and Gehrig. One of the great one-two punches in sports history. Were they cheating the whole time? Was Pedro cheating, too? That 2004 banner makes me think of these things now. I wish it didn't, but it does. This makes me sad. This makes me profoundly sad.



My son can read it in my face. I am sad. He can see it.



"That's OK, Dad," he says, rubbing my shoulder. "Everyone cheated back then."

Basileus777
05-08-2009, 08:34 PM
i can only respect a yankee fan if he is born and raised in the bronx... if you're from anywhere else u can S on the D..

What kind of retarded logic is this? So Yankee fans from Manhattan or New Jersey are bandwagoners even though the Yankees are the local team? Are Chiefs fans from outside the city of KC not "true fans" as well? Silly haters. :D

chiefzilla1501
05-09-2009, 11:39 AM
If anyone ever gets wind of anything that implicates Ortiz with steriods they will smash him to bits too.

The point is that guys like Bonds are trashed for steroids use well before there was ever any proof. ARod's getting accused for stuff that was cited in anonymous sources--a complete journalistic no-no.

Why does Ortiz escape speculation simply because he's a nice guy? I can guarantee you that if the same stuff happened to a guy that was unfriendly to the media, he would have been grilled with speculation.

chiefzilla1501
05-09-2009, 11:42 AM
Ortiz has taken my fant bball team and ****ed it right up the ass.

I was thinking that he was going to have a great year and traded away David Wright (my 1st overall pick) for David Ortiz and Carl Crawford. I already had Aramis Ramirez at 3B so I thought it was a smart move.

Crawford has paid off dearly.......I'm still waiting on Ortiz to come around.

This story is ****in retarded though. He's a big dude. He's trimmed down but has been on a diet from what I've read. Steroids dont improve hand-eye coordination.

Steroids doesn't improve hand-eye coordination. But it adds just enough bat speed so that you have an extra few split seconds to hit a ball. A few split seconds might not sound like much, but in baseball, that is a very long time.

And Papi's problem right now is fastballs. He's not catching up with them. Some people say he's unconfident. I doubt that.

chiefzilla1501
05-09-2009, 11:48 AM
for real... and i think he's from texas

i can only respect a yankee fan if he is born and raised in the bronx... if you're from anywhere else u can S on the D..

you're from texas, right zilla?

Nah, man. Born in New York. My family is full of diehards, a lot moreso than the Giants or Jets. To be fair, I used to be a diehard Yankee fan but lost a lot of interest when they started buying players instead of grooming them in the farm system. My favorite player is and always will be Don Mattingly. I really got back into the Yankees last year when it looked like they were going to build around guys like Hughes, Chamberlain, and Melky, but the instant they signed Texeira, Sabathia, and especially Burnett I lost interest again.

So right now, I'm mostly a distinerested Yankee fan. But I still hate the Red Sox with a passion. And I think anyone outside of Boston has to question why Boston is getting poo-pooed by the MLB. I mean... Paul Byrd getting accused of HGH during the Indians/Sox series? An "independent" investigation conducted by a Red Sox part-owner that implicated no big-name Red Sox and implicated three VERY big names of their most hated rival?

chiefzilla1501
05-09-2009, 12:00 PM
Is there any player who isn't using steroids? I'd be surprised if anyone in MLB was truly "clean." I guess it makes it an even playing field that way though.

I actually think there are less than we think. I thought I read that most MLB players believe that less than 10% have used. I imagine a lot of starting pitchers never used. And you have guys like Kruk and Griffey who are awesome even though they don't really lift weights.

Even now, you can see that with increased testing, there are still players hitting the shit out of the ball. Pujols is having as good of a season as we're used to. Even if I'm not a big Cardinals fan, I really like Pujols and would be devastated if I found out he was actually using.