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eazyb81
05-07-2009, 09:44 AM
suspended for 50 games.

just broke on ESPN.....

What a moron.

EDIT: here's the link

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-manny-ramirez8-2009may08,0,6324894.story

Buck
05-07-2009, 09:45 AM
YES!

raybec 4
05-07-2009, 09:45 AM
Just Manny being Manny

ziggysocki
05-07-2009, 09:45 AM
Just Manny being an assclown... He needs an antifreeze supplement

raybec 4
05-07-2009, 09:46 AM
Just Manny being Manny... He needs an antifreeze supplement

First in

ziggysocki
05-07-2009, 09:47 AM
First in

damn you! but I did get the antifreeze in with it

Buck
05-07-2009, 09:47 AM
Padres are back in it baby!!!!

WOOOOOOOOOO!!!

raybec 4
05-07-2009, 09:48 AM
I think it's great considering how much money the Dodgers threw at him, plus I hate Joe Torre

Buck
05-07-2009, 09:48 AM
Linky

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-manny-ramirez8-2009may08,0,6324894.story

Sure-Oz
05-07-2009, 09:49 AM
Dodgers are fuggin owned

Stinger
05-07-2009, 09:54 AM
WOW was my first response. That quickly turned into LMAO LMAO LMAO

nychief
05-07-2009, 09:55 AM
ALBERT PUJOLS TESTED POSITIVE!??!


no way

blaise
05-07-2009, 09:57 AM
Man Roid

MIAdragon
05-07-2009, 09:57 AM
LMAO

Buck
05-07-2009, 09:57 AM
Hell even if the Padres cant win the division this year, I'd rather see the Giants or Rockies take the division...screw the D'Backs though.

Sure-Oz
05-07-2009, 09:58 AM
This will also hurt the fantasy baseball leagues that took him haha

Tuckdaddy
05-07-2009, 09:59 AM
No real shock there.

Demonpenz
05-07-2009, 09:59 AM
Stupid, especially because he never runs, or hustles, just mashes and smells like a hippy

blaise
05-07-2009, 10:00 AM
Scott Boras just announced that when Manny comes back from his suspension he intends to hold out for a bigger deal.

blaise
05-07-2009, 10:00 AM
No real shock there.

Actually, I always thought he was clean.

Katipan
05-07-2009, 10:01 AM
Sure it couldn't have been found out before the stupid Dodgers set their new stupid record at the expense of my Dbacks.

Buck
05-07-2009, 10:03 AM
Scott Boras just announced that when Manny comes back from his suspension he intends to hold out for a bigger deal.

ROFL

rep

blaise
05-07-2009, 10:03 AM
You can almost hear the Dodgers fans starting to leap from the bandwagon.

Archie F. Swin
05-07-2009, 10:04 AM
proof positive that roids dont make you better a catching routine fly balls

Archie F. Swin
05-07-2009, 10:05 AM
You can almost hear the Dodgers fans starting to leap from the bandwagon.

yeah...if it werent for all the gun play

Dr. Facebook Fever
05-07-2009, 10:07 AM
aaaaannnnnnnnddd... it's all over now. I have to say I'm a bit disappointed... I actually kinda liked Manny.

Mr. Flopnuts
05-07-2009, 10:11 AM
The Dodgers should be able to void his contract and not pay that fat, slob another dime. Holds out for all that money and gets punked like a bitch. Kick rocks ya cheatin fuck.

Sure-Oz
05-07-2009, 10:12 AM
Maybe they'll sign bonds now haha

Buck
05-07-2009, 10:13 AM
The Dodgers should be able to void his contract and not pay that fat, slob another dime. Holds out for all that money and gets punked like a bitch. Kick rocks ya cheatin ****.

This.

I wonder how long ago he took the actual test. I.E. Rafael Palmeiro was tested months before they announced it.

On another note, who the fuck is stupid enough to still take roids?

Thirdly, is David Ortiz going to get busted too you think?

dirk digler
05-07-2009, 10:13 AM
LMAO That is hilarious

Frazod
05-07-2009, 10:15 AM
We're going to have to put L.A.Chieffan on a suicide watch.

L.A. Chieffan
05-07-2009, 10:16 AM
fuck me man

MLB is just trying to keep the NL West competitive.

Fritz88
05-07-2009, 10:16 AM
I find it hard to follow MLB any longer.

L.A. Chieffan
05-07-2009, 10:17 AM
We're going to have to put L.A.Chieffan on a suicide watch.

*reaching for automobile products*

Buck
05-07-2009, 10:17 AM
**** me man

MLB is just trying to keep the NL West competitive.

ROFL

At least you have like a 6 game buffer right now.

Stinger
05-07-2009, 10:19 AM
Little addition to the story.........

Scott Boras, Ramirez's agent, told ESPN's Peter Gammons that his client did not test positive for steroids, but for a drug that was prescribed by a doctor for a medical condition.

alpha_omega
05-07-2009, 10:19 AM
No surprise here....

Just an interesting tidbit that i was unaware of....I saw a stat on sportscenter this morning....ManRam is second behind Lou Gehrig for the most grand slam's all-time. (23)

Pestilence
05-07-2009, 10:20 AM
FUCK!!!!!!!!!!

blaise
05-07-2009, 10:20 AM
Little addition to the story.........

Scott Boras, Ramirez's agent, told ESPN's Peter Gammons that his client did not test positive for steroids, but for a drug that was prescribed by a doctor for a medical condition.

I wouldn't believe Scott Boras if he said 2+2=4.

Stinger
05-07-2009, 10:23 AM
I wouldn't believe Scott Boras if he said 2+2=4.

agreed ..... but it is out there now and I guess we will see how it plays out.

Demonpenz
05-07-2009, 10:27 AM
Little addition to the story.........

well he shouldn't be playing baseball if he has something that requires a banned substance it would like if I had a bad back and the doctor put razor sharp spikes back there like the turtles in super mario bro's. I can't just go around taking away peoples fireball power in baseball

Tuckdaddy
05-07-2009, 10:27 AM
Since when to baseball players use steroids?

wild1
05-07-2009, 10:30 AM
Correct me if I am wrong, but 50 games means it was his third positive test, right?

RippedmyFlesh
05-07-2009, 10:31 AM
mlb had to wait till he wasn't on the redsox to test him

Buck
05-07-2009, 10:33 AM
Correct me if I am wrong, but 50 games means it was his third positive test, right?

50 is the first test
100 Second
Season Third

Short Leash Hootie
05-07-2009, 10:33 AM
my fantasy team is terrible...

god just fucking hates me

wild1
05-07-2009, 10:34 AM
50 is the first test
100 Second
Season Third

You sure? I thought there was at least one test that only the league and the player knew about. :shrug:


And, of course Boras is going to say it was something from his doctor. Manny just cost him a lot of money

Buck
05-07-2009, 10:36 AM
You sure? I thought there was at least one test that only the league and the player knew about. :shrug:


And, of course Boras is going to say it was something from his doctor. Manny just cost him a lot of money

Sorry I was wrong about that last part

Its 50 Games for First
100 Games for 2nd
Lifetime ban for 3rd

"Spurred by the threat of legislation, baseball players and owners agreed Tuesday to tougher penalties for steroid use next season, including 50 games for a first offense, 100 games for a second, and a lifetime ban for a third, plus testing for amphetamines."

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2224832

And I think thats the NFL you are thinking about for the first secret one.

Simply Red
05-07-2009, 10:38 AM
*snicker*

RJ
05-07-2009, 10:42 AM
As Xavier Paul is snatched up in fantasy leagues everywhere.

Simply Red
05-07-2009, 10:42 AM
http://i43.tinypic.com/iyljte.gif

loochy
05-07-2009, 10:42 AM
suspended for 50 games.

just broke on ESPN.....

What a moron.

EDIT: here's the link

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-manny-ramirez8-2009may08,0,6324894.story

Nope, it wasn't steroids. It was some other banned substance. I have no source but I just heard it on sports radio.

Short Leash Hootie
05-07-2009, 10:43 AM
this thread is misleading, by the way...

We don't know if it is steroids yet.

SBK
05-07-2009, 10:44 AM
He lost over $8,000,000....

LMAO LMAO LMAO

BigRedChief
05-07-2009, 10:45 AM
Yeah, it was a creme, I mean a nutritional supplement, I mean....BS.

Short Leash Hootie
05-07-2009, 10:46 AM
He lost over $8,000,000....

LMAO LMAO LMAO

I think he'll manage.

Buck
05-07-2009, 10:47 AM
According to this link
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2224832

Its 50 games for steroids and its different for amphetamines.

It has to be some kind of muscle building supplement or something like that.

BigRedChief
05-07-2009, 10:47 AM
this thread is misleading, by the way...

We don't know if it is steroids yet.

From the ESPN article:

The commissioner's office didn't announce the specific violation by Ramirez, but in a statement Thursday provided by Major League Baseball, Ramirez attributed the violation to medication he had been prescribed by a doctor.

"Recently I saw a physician for a personal health issue. He gave me a medication, not a steroid, which he thought was OK to give me," Ramirez said. "Unfortunately, the medication was banned under our drug policy. Under the policy that mistake is now my responsibility. I have been advised not to say anything more for now.

"I do want to say one other thing; I've taken and passed about 15 drug tests over the past five seasons. I want to apologize to [Dodgers owner Frank] McCourt, Mrs. McCourt, [manager Joe] Torre, my teammates, the Dodger organization, and to the Dodger fans. LA is a special place to me and I know everybody is disappointed. So am I. I'm sorry about this whole situation."

After consultation with the Players' Association and his personal representatives, Ramirez waived his right to challenge the suspension. He will lose about one-third of his $25 million salary.

Amnorix
05-07-2009, 10:48 AM
bwa hahahahahahahaha.

I gotta admit, though, I thought Manny was clean and Papi was juicing.

BigRedChief
05-07-2009, 10:49 AM
And for the record no one has ever accused/hinted that EL Hombre has ever used steriods.
http://blog.kir.com/archives/pujols%20and%20Lidge.jpg

Buck
05-07-2009, 10:49 AM
Yeah well I'm sure the MLB looked deep into this issue before suspending him. If it was a prescribed drug that was legit I'm sure he wouldn't have been suspended.

CoMoChief
05-07-2009, 10:51 AM
Ehhhh i doubt he cares, he seems to really not give a shit about anything.

kstater
05-07-2009, 10:52 AM
Nope, it wasn't steroids. It was some other banned substance. I have no source but I just heard it on sports radio.

According to Manny and Scott Boras. I'm sure they're being truthfull. I'm sure his doctor just made a mistake.

Frazod
05-07-2009, 10:52 AM
Ehhhh i doubt he cares, he seems to really not give a shit about anything.

I'll bet he gives a shit about losing $8 million.

Short Leash Hootie
05-07-2009, 10:54 AM
And for the record no one has ever accused/hinted that EL Hombre has ever used steriods.

But come the fuck on man...he obviously did.

I'm a Barry Bonds fan...I don't give a shit about steroid usage...not my body, I don't care...

But I promise Pujols and Ryan Howard etc... have used PED's at some point in their careers.

You don't get to be a Pujols without them...ARod proved that.

Buck
05-07-2009, 10:59 AM
The one thing I'll say about Pujols is that hes had Acne his whole career...

BigRedChief
05-07-2009, 11:00 AM
But come the **** on man...he obviously did.

I'm a Barry Bonds fan...I don't give a shit about steroid usage...not my body, I don't care...

But I promise Pujols and Ryan Howard etc... have used PED's at some point in their careers.

You don't get to be a Pujols without them...ARod proved that.
BS. Look at how Bonds physical apperance changed. Pujols looks like he did when he was a rookie
2001
http://imagecache.allposters.com/images/pic/PHOTOFILE/AACR002~Albert-Pujols-2001-National-League-Rookie-Of-The-Year-Posters.jpg
2009
http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/2009/fantasy/02/19/first.basemen/albert-pujols.jpg

Looks like normal growth and girth for a professional home run hitter 8 years later to me.

Sadly the stench of steriods gets on anyone that hits home runs in this era.

CoMoChief
05-07-2009, 11:00 AM
I'll bet he gives a shit about losing $8 million.

In all honesty I doubt he cares about that even. Whats $8M when he's already made shit tons of money anyway? He knew what he was getting into, its not like he did this by accident.

Mr. Krab
05-07-2009, 11:01 AM
The Dodgers should be able to void his contract and not pay that fat, slob another dime. Holds out for all that money and gets punked like a bitch. Kick rocks ya cheatin ****.
This

Every MLB contract should contain a void option for dirty tests. Baseball would be much better off if none of the contracts were guaranteed.

BigRedChief
05-07-2009, 11:02 AM
BS. Look at how Bonds physical apperance changed. Pujols looks like he did when he was a rookie
2001
http://imagecache.allposters.com/images/pic/PHOTOFILE/AACR002~Albert-Pujols-2001-National-League-Rookie-Of-The-Year-Posters.jpg
2009
http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/2009/fantasy/02/19/first.basemen/albert-pujols.jpg

Looks like normal growth and girth for a professional home run hitter 8 years later to me.

Sadly the stench of steriods gets on anyone that hits home runs in this era.
and now Bonds

Short Leash Hootie
05-07-2009, 11:03 AM
BRC...

You don't think he had access to PED's before his rookie year?

Look, I'm not bashing Pujols...I think he's the biggest force in baseball since Bonds...I think he should get the Bonds treatment...I don't know why pitchers pitch to the guy...

I'm just saying...I'd bet a Chiefs Super Bowl on it...and I really want to see a Chiefs Super Bowl.

blaise
05-07-2009, 11:04 AM
This

Every MLB contract should contain a void option for dirty tests.

I doubt they want to void it though. They'll not pay him the 7-8 million while he's suspended and then welcome him back so he can hit home runs for the rest of the year. Almost like a late season acquisition.

wild1
05-07-2009, 11:04 AM
Whats $8M when he's already made shit tons of money anyway?

You think someone who makes $20 million a year doesn't care about losing $8 million?

BigRedChief
05-07-2009, 11:05 AM
BRC...

You don't think he had access to PED's before his rookie year?

Look, I'm not bashing Pujols...I think he's the biggest force in baseball since Bonds...I think he should get the Bonds treatment...I don't know why pitchers pitch to the guy...

I'm just saying...I'd bet a Chiefs Super Bowl on it...and I really want to see a Chiefs Super Bowl.
No, he was a poor immigrant with noone thinking he would make money at baseball. So noone would lend him money or help him to better himself etc. Remember he was so little thought of he was the 346th player picked in the draft.

Buck
05-07-2009, 11:06 AM
BS. Look at how Bonds physical apperance changed. Pujols looks like he did when he was a rookie
2001
http://imagecache.allposters.com/images/pic/PHOTOFILE/AACR002~Albert-Pujols-2001-National-League-Rookie-Of-The-Year-Posters.jpg
2009
http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/2009/fantasy/02/19/first.basemen/albert-pujols.jpg

Looks like normal growth and girth for a professional home run hitter 8 years later to me.

Sadly the stench of steriods gets on anyone that hits home runs in this era.

Heres a picture of Mark McGwire his rookie year
http://www.fansedge.com/Images/Product/33-65/33-65731-F.jpg

And one of his 70 HR year
http://www.fansedge.com/Images/Product/33-45/33-45940-F.jpg

Whats your point?

blaise
05-07-2009, 11:06 AM
You think someone who makes $20 million a year doesn't care about losing $8 million?

He cares otherwise he wouldn't have been a baby in Boston about getting a new deal. He cried they didn't respect him because they didn't give him a new deal. That was a big part of the reason the Sox had to deal him. He was being such a baby about not getting his new deal.

wild1
05-07-2009, 11:08 AM
BRC...

You don't think he had access to PED's before his rookie year?

Look, I'm not bashing Pujols...I think he's the biggest force in baseball since Bonds...I think he should get the Bonds treatment...I don't know why pitchers pitch to the guy...

I'm just saying...I'd bet a Chiefs Super Bowl on it...and I really want to see a Chiefs Super Bowl.

Bonds was never a power hitter and became one when he blew up 40 pounds in an offseason. Pujols has always been the same player, he's a pure hitter. If you don't understand the difference, you're dumb.

McGwire juiced, and had the decency to go away so we could all forget his phony home run accomplishments. There's no comparison between people like Sosa, bonds, and McGwire and someone like Pujols who would be a generational hitter in any era.

BigRedChief
05-07-2009, 11:09 AM
Whats your point?
That its a sad state that every player that can hit a home run is assumed to be juicing. Found guilty by the public.

In Pujols case there has never been one single instance of him being accused of using steriods. Don't you think reporters have looked at his background? There would be serious money paid to someone if they have evidence the Pujols used steriods.

He was on the cover of SI labled the best player in baseball and telling kids to trust him he won't let them down. Seems to me to be pretty confident that there is nothing in his past.

wild1
05-07-2009, 11:09 AM
He cares otherwise he wouldn't have been a baby in Boston about getting a new deal. He cried they didn't respect him because they didn't give him a new deal. That was a big part of the reason the Sox had to deal him. He was being such a baby about not getting his new deal.

i was making fun of the "who cares about losing almost half your income" post.

that view tells you the person speaking will never have two nickels to rub together in their life.

Scorp
05-07-2009, 11:10 AM
Change those .bmp's to .jpeg's before posting them on the forum.

soundmind
05-07-2009, 11:10 AM
BS. Look at how Bonds physical apperance changed. Pujols looks like he did when he was a rookie
2001
http://imagecache.allposters.com/images/pic/PHOTOFILE/AACR002~Albert-Pujols-2001-National-League-Rookie-Of-The-Year-Posters.jpg
2009
http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/2009/fantasy/02/19/first.basemen/albert-pujols.jpg

Looks like normal growth and girth for a professional home run hitter 8 years later to me.

Sadly the stench of steriods gets on anyone that hits home runs in this era.

So Albert started juicing when he was in high school, what of it?

He and his family also lied about his age in his youth, and in all actuality he's a couple years older than documented. So what if he's cheated, ju knows how manys of zeh dollars he bring from e'spanish market?

If they wanted, between steroids and reefer, they could suspend about 70% of the MLB and NFL at any point in time.

Buck
05-07-2009, 11:11 AM
That its a sad state that every player that can hit a home run is assumed to be juicing. Found guilty by the public.

I'm just saying that comparing a picture of him now to his rookie season doesn't prove anything because he could have already been juicing before his rookie season, a la Mark McGwire

blaise
05-07-2009, 11:11 AM
i was making fun of the "who cares about losing almost half your income" post.

that view tells you the person speaking will never have two nickels to rub together in their life.


Oh, I know- I just quoted your post because it was easier and I was lazy.

kc rush
05-07-2009, 11:13 AM
From the ESPN article:

After consultation with the Players' Association and his personal representatives, Ramirez waived his right to challenge the suspension.

This part is interesting to me. Why wouldn't he challenge?

Short Leash Hootie
05-07-2009, 11:13 AM
Bonds was never a power hitter and became one when he blew up 40 pounds in an offseason. Pujols has always been the same player, he's a pure hitter. If you don't understand the difference, you're dumb.

This is beyond retarded.

Go look at his stats in 1994 and then come back to me.

In fact, he had a comparable OPS from 1992-2000...right around 1.100, consistently.

Then it ballooned to an unheard of 1.4 from 2001-2004...

So steroids turned Bonds into a sure-fire, first ballot hall-of-famer top 15 player of all time into a walking legend--best hitter of all time.

Bonds gets a lot of crap...I don't think people realize how amazing he was before steroids.

the Talking Can
05-07-2009, 11:14 AM
i knew his hair was too long....no one naturally has hair like that

Short Leash Hootie
05-07-2009, 11:15 AM
That its a sad state that every player that can hit a home run is assumed to be juicing. Found guilty by the public.

In Pujols case there has never been one single instance of him being accused of using steriods. Don't you think reporters have looked at his background? There would be serious money paid to someone if they have evidence the Pujols used steriods.

He was on the cover of SI labled the best player in baseball and telling kids to trust him he won't let them down. Seems to me to be pretty confident that there is nothing in his past.

I think you're going to be in for a sad, sad day sometime in the future.

Common sense indicates there are going to be some skeletons in his closet.

I mean, Albert is fantastic...but A-Rod proved it...doesn't happen without help.

Short Leash Hootie
05-07-2009, 11:16 AM
Remember he was so little thought of he was the 346th player picked in the draft.
Case in point.

wild1
05-07-2009, 11:17 AM
This is beyond retarded.

Go look at his stats in 1994 and then come back to me.

In fact, he had a comparable OPS from 1992-2000...right around 1.100, consistently.

Then it ballooned to an unheard of 1.4 from 2001-2004...

So steroids turned Bonds into a sure-fire, first ballot hall-of-famer top 15 player of all time into a walking legend--best hitter of all time.

Bonds gets a lot of crap...I don't think people realize how amazing he was before steroids.

Are you this dumb? You don't realize that he was not a power hitter, and then all of a sudden in one offseason he's the most fearsome power hitter in history?

Too dumb to even argue with.

tk13
05-07-2009, 11:18 AM
The big thing is this will might very well keep Manny out of the HOF.

Buck
05-07-2009, 11:19 AM
I think you're going to be in for a sad, sad day sometime in the future.

Common sense indicates there are going to be some skeletons in his closet.

I mean, Albert is fantastic...but A-Rod proved it...doesn't happen without help.

If I had a $10 bill for all of the big time players who denied using steroids before getting caught I'd have at least $100

Short Leash Hootie
05-07-2009, 11:20 AM
Are you this dumb? You don't realize that he was not a power hitter, and then all of a sudden in one offseason he's the most fearsome power hitter in history?

Too dumb to even argue with.

at what point in his career was he not a "power" hitter?

In the strike shortened season of 1994...he played 112 games...and hit 37 HR's.

He hit 46 in 1993.

That's not the definition of a "power" hitter?

He was a 5 tool power hitting phenom...his entire career.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=1785

He had an OPS of over 1.000 every year from 1992-2006, when he snapped that streak by posting an abysmal .999 OPS.

ROFL

Bonds not a power hitter?

JFC.

Duck Dog
05-07-2009, 11:21 AM
Ty Cobb would have beat his ass into the dirt and shaved his stupid looking head.

VAChief
05-07-2009, 11:22 AM
I think you're going to be in for a sad, sad day sometime in the future.

Common sense indicates there are going to be some skeletons in his closet.

I mean, Albert is fantastic...but A-Rod proved it...doesn't happen without help.

Unfortunately it does taint and cast suspicion to be that good in this climate, but your logic is asinine. I suppose all Catholic priests are pedophiles because of the ones caught?

Albert is not really a home run hitter, he is more comparable stat wise to Joe Dimaggio. He will probably end up in the 500's with a pile of rbi's and 3500 hits.

Short Leash Hootie
05-07-2009, 11:23 AM
The big thing is this will might very well keep Manny out of the HOF.

Meh.

HOF...

or...

$200M dollars?

If PEDs make me $1M dollars, show me the needle!

sedated
05-07-2009, 11:24 AM
In Pujols case there has never been one single instance of him being accused of using steriods. Don't you think reporters have looked at his background? There would be serious money paid to someone if they have evidence the Pujols used steriods.

I don’t think anyone accused Manny of using roids either, before today.

And at first people thought it was ludicrous to accuse Clemens and A-Rod, they didn’t have the typical bulk, a la Mac and Bonds.


He was on the cover of SI labled the best player in baseball and telling kids to trust him he won't let them down. Seems to me to be pretty confident that there is nothing in his past.

<img src="http://highbridnation.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/rafael-palmeiro.jpg">

Short Leash Hootie
05-07-2009, 11:26 AM
Unfortunately it does taint and cast suspicion to be that good in this climate, but your logic is asinine. I suppose all Catholic priests are pedophiles because of the ones caught?

Albert is not really a home run hitter, he is more comparable stat wise to Joe Dimaggio. He will probably end up in the 500's with a pile of rbi's and 3500 hits.

I'm not judging him by the way he hits, I'm judging him by the way he looks.

He's a bigger ARod. He was also hardly a prospect when drafted...

It just reeks of "I'll show them!"

I don't give a shit about steroids and who uses them...I wish they'd all use them, I dig the long ball!

I'm just saying...Pujols doesn't pass the 'eye test'...

tk13
05-07-2009, 11:27 AM
He wasn't quite the monster he became, but Barry Bonds could hit well before he took steroids. He was a 30-40 HR guy and won 3 MVP awards by 1993, even back when he was a skinny rail. He was every bit the pure hitter Pujols was.

BigRedChief
05-07-2009, 11:27 AM
I think you're going to be in for a sad, sad day sometime in the future.

Common sense indicates there are going to be some skeletons in his closet.

I mean, Albert is fantastic...but A-Rod proved it...doesn't happen without help.
I sure hope not.:shake:

Short Leash Hootie
05-07-2009, 11:30 AM
I sure hope not.:shake:

but why does it even matter?

I'm sure as a Cards fan you'll never forget the year McGwire and Sosa "saved" baseball.

It is what it is.

I love good baseball...Pujols is a joy to watch. He's awesome. I like Arod, I LOVED Bonds...

Seriously.

Would you ever want to miss a Barry Bonds at-bat?

I am just not on the whole "steroids ruined baseball" ship like everyone else.

I miss 70 HR seasons =(

Buck
05-07-2009, 11:32 AM
but why does it even matter?

I'm sure as a Cards fan you'll never forget the year McGwire and Sosa "saved" baseball.

It is what it is.

I love good baseball...Pujols is a joy to watch. He's awesome. I like Arod, I LOVED Bonds...

Seriously.

Would you ever want to miss a Barry Bonds at-bat?

I am just not on the whole "steroids ruined baseball" ship like everyone else.

I miss 70 HR seasons =(

Steroids didn't ruin baseball, they ruined Sports Talk Radio...I swear for a 3 year period it was all that was talked about.

They also ruined the record books.

blaise
05-07-2009, 11:33 AM
but why does it even matter?

I'm sure as a Cards fan you'll never forget the year McGwire and Sosa "saved" baseball.

It is what it is.

I love good baseball...Pujols is a joy to watch. He's awesome. I like Arod, I LOVED Bonds...

Seriously.

Would you ever want to miss a Barry Bonds at-bat?

I am just not on the whole "steroids ruined baseball" ship like everyone else.

I miss 70 HR seasons =(

I tried to miss as many Barry Bonds at bats as I could.

Short Leash Hootie
05-07-2009, 11:36 AM
I tried to miss as many Barry Bonds at bats as I could.

well you missed out on the greatest baseball player of our generation

Buck
05-07-2009, 11:37 AM
well you missed out on the greatest baseball player of our generation

I'm going to go ahead and give that Distinction to someone like Cal Ripken Jr. or Tony Gwynn or even maybe Greg Maddux or Randy Johnson

Not a roiding cheater.

wild1
05-07-2009, 11:39 AM
at what point in his career was he not a "power" hitter?

In the strike shortened season of 1994...he played 112 games...and hit 37 HR's.

He hit 46 in 1993.

That's not the definition of a "power" hitter?

He was a 5 tool power hitting phenom...his entire career.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=1785

He had an OPS of over 1.000 every year from 1992-2006, when he snapped that streak by posting an abysmal .999 OPS.

ROFL

Bonds not a power hitter?

JFC.

Right. There's no difference between 40 and 70. No difference at all.

eazyb81
05-07-2009, 11:39 AM
I'm going to go ahead and give that Distinction to someone like Cal Ripken Jr. or Tony Gwynn or even maybe Greg Maddux or Randy Johnson

Not a roiding cheater.

Skinny Bonds - his days in Pittsburgh - was way better than Ripken or Gwynn. As Hootie pointed out, he was a 1st ballot HOF before he ever bulked up.

Griffey was also a stud, and I doubt he juiced because he got hurt all the time.

Katipan
05-07-2009, 11:40 AM
well you missed out on the greatest baseball player of our generation

I'm just going to remember that you consider peeing on people to be a great time.

Demonpenz
05-07-2009, 11:41 AM
5 tool player my ass. Fucker couldn't throw out Sid Fucking bream from shallow left

Buck
05-07-2009, 11:44 AM
Skinny Bonds - his days in Pittsburgh - was way better than Ripken or Gwynn. As Hootie pointed out, he was a 1st ballot HOF before he ever bulked up.

Griffey was also a stud, and I doubt he juiced because he got hurt all the time.

Sorry, once he started juicing he lost that title, no ifs ands or butts. Ken Griffey Jr was good too, but he was too often injured to contend for that title.

Theres no saying what would have happened to Bonds if he hadn't juiced, he may have gotten injured and never played again, or he might have fallen off the map, or he may have continued to produce, but because he cheated, you just cant give him that title, sorry.

wild1
05-07-2009, 11:46 AM
Sorry, once he started juicing he lost that title, no ifs ands or butts. Ken Griffey Jr was good too, but he was too often injured to contend for that title.

Theres no saying what would have happened to Bonds if he hadn't juiced, he may have gotten injured and never played again, or he might have fallen off the map, or he may have continued to produce, but because he cheated, you just cant give him that title, sorry.

One thing you can say, is no way does he break Ruth or Aaron's records, which is what his legacy is chiefly related to now.

Short Leash Hootie
05-07-2009, 11:46 AM
Right. There's no difference between 40 and 70. No difference at all.

You said he wasn't a power hitter.

The dude has had an OPS of around 1.100, at least, since 1992...

That's a power hitter.

doomy3
05-07-2009, 11:47 AM
Damn, this is a huge blow to maybe the best team in baseball

eazyb81
05-07-2009, 11:48 AM
Sorry, once he started juicing he lost that title, no ifs ands or butts. Ken Griffey Jr was good too, but he was too often injured to contend for that title.

Theres no saying what would have happened to Bonds if he hadn't juiced, he may have gotten injured and never played again, or he might have fallen off the map, or he may have continued to produce, but because he cheated, you just cant give him that title, sorry.

Even if you take away his numbers from when he bulked up, he would have still been a HOF, easy. He was a ridiculous player when he was a beanpole in Pittsburgh's OF in the mid-90's.

Keep him out of the HOF? Fine. I got no problem with that. But when he was clean, he was the best position player of our era. No doubt in my mind. Just look at the numbers, and exclude his days in San Fran when he got huge.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/bondsba01.shtml?redir

JASONSAUTO
05-07-2009, 11:49 AM
Damn, this is a huge blow to maybe the best team in baseball

WHEN did he sign with the royals???:D

Short Leash Hootie
05-07-2009, 11:49 AM
5 tool player my ass. ****er couldn't throw out Sid ****ing bream from shallow left

8 gold gloves

wild1
05-07-2009, 11:50 AM
You said he wasn't a power hitter.

The dude has had an OPS of around 1.100, at least, since 1992...

That's a power hitter.

You could never hit a home run in your life and have a fine OPS. OPS does not make you a power hitter.

Buck
05-07-2009, 11:51 AM
Even if you take away his numbers from when he bulked up, he would have still been a HOF, easy. He was a ridiculous player when he was a beanpole in Pittsburgh's OF in the mid-90's.

Keep him out of the HOF? Fine. I got no problem with that. But when he was clean, he was the best position player of our era. No doubt in my mind. Just look at the numbers, and exclude his days in San Fran when he got huge.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/bondsba01.shtml?redir

So you are saying that if I take away all of his SF years you still consider him the best player of our generation?

You are going to give a guy who was good for 8 years that title over Ripken and Gwynn who did it consistently for 20 years?

Ripken had a combo of average and power, plus he never missed a game.

Gwynn hit over .300 every season except his rookie year, his OBP was incredible, not to mention he struck out less than 30 times a season on average.

Short Leash Hootie
05-07-2009, 11:51 AM
Sorry, once he started juicing he lost that title, no ifs ands or butts. Ken Griffey Jr was good too, but he was too often injured to contend for that title.

Theres no saying what would have happened to Bonds if he hadn't juiced, he may have gotten injured and never played again, or he might have fallen off the map, or he may have continued to produce, but because he cheated, you just cant give him that title, sorry.

Ok dude...

I like you and all...

Tony Gwynn...

Nice player...

Great hitter.

Not in the same breath as Barry Bonds.

wild1
05-07-2009, 11:51 AM
8 gold gloves

His weak arm means that he's not a 5 tool player by definition.

loochy
05-07-2009, 11:54 AM
Cecil Fielder - obviously on roids ;)

http://badwax.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/1986topps-cecilfielder-rookie.jpg

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2007/06/cecil-fielder-swinging-180.jpg

Buck
05-07-2009, 11:54 AM
Ok dude...

I like you and all...

Tony Gwynn...

Nice player...

Great hitter.

Not in the same breath as Barry Bonds.

LOL you are funny

Tony Gwynn and Cal Ripken Jr both had higher HOF voting percentages than anybody in the history of baseball.

We'll see if Bonds makes it.

Also, is power hitting the only definable characteristic for a great player?

Ari Chi3fs
05-07-2009, 11:54 AM
Source: Ramirez’s substance a sexual enhancer


LOS ANGELES – A source close to Manny Ramirez (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/5132/;_ylt=Aj3TqaiapQDDaggYEoyE20BDWtAF)(notes) (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/5132/news;_ylt=Ahb8bJHI7FrTW8KY7M6LSiBDWtAF) said Thursday that the illegal substance for which the Los Angeles Dodgers (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/lad/;_ylt=Au7MALmjdjg3ZqMKNB0n9h5DWtAF) slugger tested positive was not “an agent customarily used for performance enhancing.”
At least not on the baseball diamond. The source, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the substance is supposed to boost sex drive. It is not Viagra, but a substance that treats the cause rather providing a temporary boost in sexual performance, the source said.
Ramirez tested positive for the substance during spring training, then was administered a second test more recently, and it also was positive. Major League Baseball notified Ramirez of the second positive test after Wednesday night’s Dodgers victory over the Washington Nationals (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/was/;_ylt=Ahr7ZxsURCPrXMjiBOvFnidDWtAF). Ramirez admitted to having taken the substance and declined to appeal. His 50-game suspension begins today.
“The substance is not a steroid and it is not human-growth hormone,” the source said.

Ramirez, the source said, acquired the substance through a prescription from a doctor in Miami for his medical condition. The source intimated that Ramirez might bring legal action against the physician.
Ramirez released the following statement Thursday morning: “Recently I saw a physician for a personal health issue. He gave me a medication, not a steroid, which he thought was okay to give me. Unfortunately, the medication was banned under our drug policy. Under the policy that mistake is now my responsibility. I have been advised not to say anything more for now. I do want to say one other thing; I’ve taken and passed about 15 drug tests over the past five seasons.
The Dodgers, who have won a Major League record 13 consecutive home games to start the season, will be without Ramirez until July 3. Outfielder Xavier Paul was promoted from triple-A to take Ramirez’s place on the roster. The suspension will cost Ramirez close to $8 million in lost wages.

Mr. Flopnuts
05-07-2009, 11:56 AM
Skinny Bonds - his days in Pittsburgh - was way better than Ripken or Gwynn. As Hootie pointed out, he was a 1st ballot HOF before he ever bulked up.

Griffey was also a stud, and I doubt he juiced because he got hurt all the time.

Griffey is one of the only players I'm confident hasn't juiced. And it's sad that it's because of his injury history that I'm so confident.

Buck
05-07-2009, 11:57 AM
So he couldn't get wood?

Interesting.

loochy
05-07-2009, 11:57 AM
LOL manny can't get it up. Big lumber on the diamond, no lumber in the sack.....

Mr. Flopnuts
05-07-2009, 11:58 AM
Source: Ramirez’s substance a sexual enhancer


LOS ANGELES – A source close to Manny Ramirez (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/5132/;_ylt=Aj3TqaiapQDDaggYEoyE20BDWtAF)(notes) (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/5132/news;_ylt=Ahb8bJHI7FrTW8KY7M6LSiBDWtAF) said Thursday that the illegal substance for which the Los Angeles Dodgers (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/lad/;_ylt=Au7MALmjdjg3ZqMKNB0n9h5DWtAF) slugger tested positive was not “an agent customarily used for performance enhancing.”
At least not on the baseball diamond. The source, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the substance is supposed to boost sex drive. It is not Viagra, but a substance that treats the cause rather providing a temporary boost in sexual performance, the source said.
Ramirez tested positive for the substance during spring training, then was administered a second test more recently, and it also was positive. Major League Baseball notified Ramirez of the second positive test after Wednesday night’s Dodgers victory over the Washington Nationals (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/was/;_ylt=Ahr7ZxsURCPrXMjiBOvFnidDWtAF). Ramirez admitted to having taken the substance and declined to appeal. His 50-game suspension begins today.
“The substance is not a steroid and it is not human-growth hormone,” the source said.

Ramirez, the source said, acquired the substance through a prescription from a doctor in Miami for his medical condition. The source intimated that Ramirez might bring legal action against the physician.
Ramirez released the following statement Thursday morning: “Recently I saw a physician for a personal health issue. He gave me a medication, not a steroid, which he thought was okay to give me. Unfortunately, the medication was banned under our drug policy. Under the policy that mistake is now my responsibility. I have been advised not to say anything more for now. I do want to say one other thing; I’ve taken and passed about 15 drug tests over the past five seasons.
The Dodgers, who have won a Major League record 13 consecutive home games to start the season, will be without Ramirez until July 3. Outfielder Xavier Paul was promoted from triple-A to take Ramirez’s place on the roster. The suspension will cost Ramirez close to $8 million in lost wages.

LMAO No one will ever accuse Manny of packing the wood again.

Here's a thought. If everyone is juicing, is it still cheating? I'm not talking about the record books, I'm talking about an unfair advantage.

Short Leash Hootie
05-07-2009, 11:59 AM
Gwynn hit over .300 every season except his rookie year, his OBP was incredible.

You're exaggerating...he never took a lot of walks...and he was often injured. He didn't have any power...

ziggysocki
05-07-2009, 12:00 PM
Yeah , I'm with Hootie on this, people pay lots and lots of money to see the best players in their respective sport. I don't care how they get to be the best -steriods, weed, wtf ever kind of PED's they want to use. If they don't care about the effect on their bodies, why should I? I want to see amazing jumps, bone crushing hits, 500 ft home runs and super speed. The pro owners don't care about the health of their athletes, if they did, cigarettes would be a banned substance. If they made you better, they would be, and it would all be because they are "bad" for you. A bunch of bullshit.

Short Leash Hootie
05-07-2009, 12:01 PM
You could never hit a home run in your life and have a fine OPS. OPS does not make you a power hitter.

Do you watch baseball?

On base plus SLUGGING.

Jesus...

You were wrong about Bonds being a power hitter before steroids...move on, you are just looking dumb.

Short Leash Hootie
05-07-2009, 12:03 PM
Also, is power hitting the only definable characteristic for a great player?

No...

How many MVP's do Ripken and Gwynn have?

wild1
05-07-2009, 12:04 PM
Do you watch baseball?

On base plus SLUGGING.

Jesus...

You were wrong about Bonds being a power hitter before steroids...move on, you are just looking dumb.

We're talking about hitting for power. You are running from the primary statistic which is home runs, in favor of something that dillutes measurement of power by including singles as 50-70% of the statistic. Not to mention the inclusion of walks.

Somebody sure looks dumb, but it isn't me.

Short Leash Hootie
05-07-2009, 12:07 PM
Source: Ramirez’s substance a sexual enhancer


LOS ANGELES – A source close to Manny Ramirez (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/5132/;_ylt=Aj3TqaiapQDDaggYEoyE20BDWtAF)(notes) (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/5132/news;_ylt=Ahb8bJHI7FrTW8KY7M6LSiBDWtAF) said Thursday that the illegal substance for which the Los Angeles Dodgers (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/lad/;_ylt=Au7MALmjdjg3ZqMKNB0n9h5DWtAF) slugger tested positive was not “an agent customarily used for performance enhancing.”
At least not on the baseball diamond. The source, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the substance is supposed to boost sex drive. It is not Viagra, but a substance that treats the cause rather providing a temporary boost in sexual performance, the source said.
Ramirez tested positive for the substance during spring training, then was administered a second test more recently, and it also was positive. Major League Baseball notified Ramirez of the second positive test after Wednesday night’s Dodgers victory over the Washington Nationals (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/was/;_ylt=Ahr7ZxsURCPrXMjiBOvFnidDWtAF). Ramirez admitted to having taken the substance and declined to appeal. His 50-game suspension begins today.
“The substance is not a steroid and it is not human-growth hormone,” the source said.

Ramirez, the source said, acquired the substance through a prescription from a doctor in Miami for his medical condition. The source intimated that Ramirez might bring legal action against the physician.
Ramirez released the following statement Thursday morning: “Recently I saw a physician for a personal health issue. He gave me a medication, not a steroid, which he thought was okay to give me. Unfortunately, the medication was banned under our drug policy. Under the policy that mistake is now my responsibility. I have been advised not to say anything more for now. I do want to say one other thing; I’ve taken and passed about 15 drug tests over the past five seasons.
The Dodgers, who have won a Major League record 13 consecutive home games to start the season, will be without Ramirez until July 3. Outfielder Xavier Paul was promoted from triple-A to take Ramirez’s place on the roster. The suspension will cost Ramirez close to $8 million in lost wages.

See...

This is NOTHING.

BigRedChief
05-07-2009, 12:07 PM
but why does it even matter?

I'm sure as a Cards fan you'll never forget the year McGwire and Sosa "saved" baseball.(
Like most Cardinal fans here I always considered McGwire a rent a bat and not a "true" Cardinal. It's hard to explain. but it is what it is. There were many bandwagoneers but us long time fans were happy with his production but didn't really embrace him as a person.

But Pujols has been with us from the start. Was the rookie of the year. Does tons of charity work in the community. Treats him teammates well. A worthy bearer of the uniform that Stan the Man, Bob Gibson, Dizzy Dean etc. wore.

Katipan
05-07-2009, 12:08 PM
See...

This is NOTHING.

Sure. Just a whole bunch of testosterone.

Buck
05-07-2009, 12:08 PM
You're exaggerating...he never took a lot of walks...and he was often injured. He didn't have any power...

Who cares if he didn't have power? Is Power the only relevant skill?

Gwynn got on base, and other people brought him in.

He averaged over 200 hits a season, averaged 92 runs a season, averaged 76 RBIs a season, and 20 SB a season. Not to mention he was a great fielder.

He had 5 Gold Gloves and 7 Silver Sluggers.

He led the NL in batting 8 times, was in the top 10 in OBP 9 times and was a 15 time all star.

You don't think he can sniff Bond's jock?

loochy
05-07-2009, 12:08 PM
See...

This is NOTHING.

Well it's SOMETHING.....he's still suspended for 50 games......

Buck
05-07-2009, 12:09 PM
No...

How many MVP's do Ripken and Gwynn have?

Good question.

How many WS rings do all 3 have combined?

Short Leash Hootie
05-07-2009, 12:12 PM
We're talking about hitting for power. You are running from the primary statistic which is home runs, in favor of something that dillutes measurement of power by including singles as 50-70% of the statistic. Not to mention the inclusion of walks.

Somebody sure looks dumb, but it isn't me.

LMAO

In 1993, Bonds had a .677 slugging.

The year Ichiro had 262 hits, he had a career high .455 slugging.

Why?

BECAUSE HE'S A SINGLES HITTER!.

Slugging is a % that measures what kind of power hitter you are...

Barry Bonds has ALWAYS been a power hitter.

You are being extremely ignorant...there is no other way to put it.

Demonpenz
05-07-2009, 12:15 PM
Like having to explain to your kids every 5 minutes what those boner commercials are for, now you have to explain why their favorite player, or a player they know needs those drugs.

Short Leash Hootie
05-07-2009, 12:15 PM
You don't think he can sniff Bond's jock?

No, not even close.

I'm sorry man, Gwynn is a hall of famer...no doubt.

He'll never be in the discussion for "best ever", and he shouldn't be.

If you erase this decade for Bonds...he'd still be an all-time great.

Bonds did things Gwynn could never dream of...

Arsonist
05-07-2009, 12:16 PM
Ramirez is a retard, has been for years

ziggysocki
05-07-2009, 12:19 PM
Ramirez is a retard, has been for years

This is offensive to retards every where... and not cause you used the "R" word.

Buck
05-07-2009, 12:20 PM
No, not even close.

I'm sorry man, Gwynn is a hall of famer...no doubt.

He'll never be in the discussion for "best ever", and he shouldn't be.

If you erase this decade for Bonds...he'd still be an all-time great.

Bonds did things Gwynn could never dream of...

Sorry, I just think that I'd rather have a guy like Ichiro, Gwynn, or Ripken doing it consistently for 20 years than a guy who did it for 10 years then tainted himself w/ drugs.

My whole arguement anyways was that Bonds cant be considered the greatest because he cheated.

If A Rod hits 900 homers and breaks every record, are you going to call him the greatest too?

Katipan
05-07-2009, 12:20 PM
Like having to explain to your kids every 5 minutes what those boner commercials are for, now you have to explain why their favorite player, or a player they know needs those drugs.

Or why the kids are going to have to start taking them in junior high so that by the time they make it to the steroid happy MLB they'd have a shot.

Consistent1
05-07-2009, 12:23 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabergoline

Dostinex. Just a guess, but don't know if it is on the banned list. It has some shady potential that does go along with steroid use. It also could be described as relating to sexual function for some users. See if I am right later I guess.

blaise
05-07-2009, 12:24 PM
Gwynn should have hit for more power. He could have if he wanted, but he was happy getting his high average. He once said something to the effect that Ted Williams told him the same thing- you need to hit for power too, not just average. I love Gwynn as a player but I think he could have had much higher power numbers.

Short Leash Hootie
05-07-2009, 12:24 PM
Sorry, I just think that I'd rather have a guy like Ichiro, Gwynn, or Ripken doing it consistently for 20 years than a guy who did it for 10 years then tainted himself w/ drugs.

My whole arguement anyways was that Bonds cant be considered the greatest because he cheated.

If A Rod hits 900 homers and breaks every record, are you going to call him the greatest too?

I've never seen a baseball player that is better than Barry Bonds.

Period.

Of course that's my opinion, but when I see idiots like wild1 talking about how he didn't develop power until he started taking steroids, it drives me insane.

In the strike-shortened 1994 season, Bonds played 112 games...he hit 37 HR's, he scored 89 times, he drove in 81, walked 74 times, only struck out 43 times, stole 29 bases, and hit .313.

Stretch that over a full season, and we're talking 120/50/110 with 45 stolen bases.

That's insane, and in 1994.

Buck
05-07-2009, 12:24 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabergoline

Dostinex. Just a guess, but don't know if it is on the banned list. It has some shady potential that does go along with steroid use. It also could be described as relating to sexual function for some users. See if I am right later I guess.

Here is why it is banned

"It is also used by bodybuilders to control gynecomastia caused by elevated prolactin levels through the use of anabolic steroids such as Nandrolone and Trenbolone."

Katipan
05-07-2009, 12:25 PM
How come boys can't argue without calling eachother stupid and/or ignorant?

loochy
05-07-2009, 12:26 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabergoline

Dostinex. Just a guess, but don't know if it is on the banned list. It has some shady potential that does go along with steroid use. It also could be described as relating to sexual function for some users. See if I am right later I guess.

On the radio they just said it was HCG (Human Choronic Gonadotropin sp?).

If any of you have juiced before, you would know that this is used to stimulate natural testosterone production durning (and after) a cycle. It keeps you from shutting down you own test and it keeps your balls at full size (since temporary testicular atrophy can be a problem on long cycles).

Buck
05-07-2009, 12:26 PM
I've never seen a baseball player that is better than Barry Bonds.

Period.

Of course that's my opinion, but when I see idiots like wild1 talking about how he didn't develop power until he started taking steroids, it drives me insane.

In the strike-shortened 1994 season, Bonds played 112 games...he hit 37 HR's, he scored 89 times, he drove in 81, walked 74 times, only struck out 43 times, stole 29 bases, and hit .313.

Stretch that over a full season, and we're talking 120/50/110 with 45 stolen bases.

That's insane, and in 1994.

Have you seen Griffey's numbers for 1994?

Going over that same stretch of years, you could legitimately argue that Griffey Jr. was the better player.

Short Leash Hootie
05-07-2009, 12:27 PM
How come boys can't argue without calling eachother stupid and/or ignorant?
the dude is firing stupidity at me...what am I supposed to do?

Barry Bonds was always a power hitter. That is FACT.

FACT
FACT
FACT

Not opinion.

It's FACT.

ONE MORE TIME

FACT.

Katipan
05-07-2009, 12:27 PM
On the radio they just said it was HCG (Human Choronic Gonadotropin sp?).

If any of you have juiced before, you would know that this is used to stimulate natural testosterone production durning (and after) a cycle. It keeps you from shutting down you own test and it keeps your balls at full size (since temporary testicular atrophy can be a problem on long cycles).

I'm pretty smart.

Jethopper
05-07-2009, 12:27 PM
HCG helps to bring your test levels up after heavy cycles. This pretty much seals the deal on whether Manny did steroids.

Short Leash Hootie
05-07-2009, 12:28 PM
Have you seen Griffey's numbers for 1994?

Going over that same stretch of years, you could legitimately argue that Griffey Jr. was the better player.

Yep.

Griffey, Bonds and Frank Thomas were easily the best hitters of the 1990s.

Griffey and Bonds also did it in the field, and stole bases.

Bonds, however, is better than Griffey IMO. Took more walks, struck out way less, hit for better average, and stole more bases.

Griffey played better defense, but Bonds was no slouch.

loochy
05-07-2009, 12:29 PM
HCG helps to bring your test levels up after heavy cycles. This pretty much seals the deal on whether Manny did steroids.

Yeah, it does. That isn't a drug normally perscribed....

I bet he'd test positive for clomid and nolvadex too - if they tested for those.

Or maybe he didn't juice and he stupidly tried to use that to try to make him produce more natural test? Who knows? Manny is a ding dong.

Pestilence
05-07-2009, 12:30 PM
How come boys can't argue without calling eachother stupid and/or ignorant?

TITS OR GTFO!!!!! :D

loochy
05-07-2009, 12:30 PM
I'm pretty smart.

Nah, I know this because I've used it before....

Katipan
05-07-2009, 12:31 PM
TITS OR GTFO!!!!! :D

Your roid rage is showing!

Katipan
05-07-2009, 12:32 PM
Nah, I know this because I've used it before....

Who cares about you??? I was saying *I* was pretty smart. ;)

raybec 4
05-07-2009, 12:33 PM
Your roid rage is showing!

I'll show you mine if you show me yours

Buck
05-07-2009, 12:34 PM
Yep.

Griffey, Bonds and Frank Thomas were easily the best hitters of the 1990s.

Griffey and Bonds also did it in the field, and stole bases.

Bonds, however, is better than Griffey IMO. Took more walks, struck out way less, hit for better average, and stole more bases.

Griffey played better defense, but Bonds was no slouch.

Griffey played way better defense, that cannot be overlooked.

Being a good player isn't all about your power stats man.

If Griffey took roids like Bonds did after 1998, then it'd probably be him we are all talking about now, but he didn't. I just don't think you can give that kind of credibility to a man WHO CHEATED.

Let me compare this to something.

I say Shawne Merriman is the best pass rusher the NFL has seen since LT.

What do you say?

Pestilence
05-07-2009, 12:34 PM
Your roid rage is showing!

Wanna see it? lol

Short Leash Hootie
05-07-2009, 12:36 PM
Griffey played way better defense, that cannot be overlooked.

Being a good player isn't all about your power stats man.

If Griffey took roids like Bonds did after 1998, then it'd probably be him we are all talking about now, but he didn't. I just don't think you can give that kind of credibility to a man WHO CHEATED.

Let me compare this to something.

I say Shawne "roidman" Merriman is the best pass rusher the NFL has seen since LT.

What do you say?

I never saw LT play, so I don't know.

Bonds was a better hitter than Griffey in the 90s...

He didn't hit as many homeruns, but he always had a higher .OPS...and .OPS measures production.

In one of Bonds "cheater" years, he had an .OPS of 1.421 with an .OBP of .609.

That is disgusting.

loochy
05-07-2009, 12:37 PM
Who cares about you??? I was saying *I* was pretty smart. ;)

Oh. Well I'm sure you are. I mistook that for sarcasm......

Katipan
05-07-2009, 12:38 PM
Oh. Well I'm sure you are. I mistook that for sarcasm......

I informed Hootie that it was for testosterone in my earlier posts.

You just don't pay attention to me anymore.
Or any less for that matter.

Short Leash Hootie
05-07-2009, 12:38 PM
and how did Griffey play way better defense?

He had a better arm...but Bonds won 8 gold gloves and was a force defensively in the 90s...I think people only remember his days with shot knees and a huge head or something.

I blame McGwire and Sosa for that...Bonds should have been getting the spotlight...he was the best player, but since he wasn't hitting 60+ HR's, he got jealous...and showed what a real baseball player could do on the juice.

And he went on to post an OPS of 1.421 and made Babe Ruth look like a pansy.

Buck
05-07-2009, 12:38 PM
I never saw LT play, so I don't know.

Bonds was a better hitter than Griffey in the 90s...

He didn't hit as many homeruns, but he always had a higher .OPS...and .OPS measures production.

In one of Bonds "cheater" years, he had an .OPS of 1.421 with an .OBP of .609.

That is disgusting.

Ok, let me edit that.

Shawne Merriman had the most Sacks by any player ever in his first 3 seasons.

He was tested positive for steroids and was suspended for 4 games, yet still held that record.

Is he still the best Pass Rusher in your eyes or not?

Gonzo
05-07-2009, 12:39 PM
Heh,
I was in Cali last week and saw him play the Ginats in SF...

You could tell in person that the guy was just huge. Bigger than anyone else on the field.

What a moron.

Buck
05-07-2009, 12:39 PM
and how did Griffey play way better defense?

He had a better arm...but Bonds won 8 gold gloves and was a force defensively in the 90s...I think people only remember his days with shot knees and a huge head or something.

I blame McGwire and Sosa for that...Bonds should have been getting the spotlight...he was the best player, but since he wasn't hitting 60+ HR's, he got jealous...and showed what a real baseball player could do on the juice.

And he went on to post an OPS of 1.421 and made Babe Ruth look like a pansy.

He consistently robbed home runs and had other incredible catches and could get the ball to homeplate and make it land on a dime.

kysirsoze
05-07-2009, 12:40 PM
The problem with trying to identify the greatest player of all time is it all depends on if you want the guy who performed the best on the field and who was good for the sport. Bonds passes on of these tests and absolutely fails the other. If you can't agree on the criteria, then the arguement is going to be a long one.

blaise
05-07-2009, 12:41 PM
I've never seen a baseball player that is better than Barry Bonds.

Period.

Of course that's my opinion, but when I see idiots like wild1 talking about how he didn't develop power until he started taking steroids, it drives me insane.

In the strike-shortened 1994 season, Bonds played 112 games...he hit 37 HR's, he scored 89 times, he drove in 81, walked 74 times, only struck out 43 times, stole 29 bases, and hit .313.

Stretch that over a full season, and we're talking 120/50/110 with 45 stolen bases.

That's insane, and in 1994.

Just because I'm a Bagwell fan. Jeff Bagwell had a better 1994 than Bonds.

blaise
05-07-2009, 12:44 PM
The problem is that Bonds hurt himself by taking the steroids because now you can call his numbers into question. Who knows what Ted Williams could have done if he had access to steroids that could have extended his career ad given him more power? He hit over 500 home runs as it was and lost almost three years to military service.

You can't blame other people for pointing out that Bonds did roids. It's not their fault. Bonds is the one that did them, he can blame himself for the implied asterisk.

Short Leash Hootie
05-07-2009, 12:45 PM
Just because I'm a Bagwell fan. Jeff Bagwell had a better 1994 than Bonds.

Holy shit.

That's incredible.

Valiant
05-07-2009, 12:55 PM
Little addition to the story.........

Yeah it is a medicine you take after you finish a cycle to help mask it..

Valiant
05-07-2009, 12:58 PM
But come the **** on man...he obviously did.

I'm a Barry Bonds fan...I don't give a shit about steroid usage...not my body, I don't care...

But I promise Pujols and Ryan Howard etc... have used PED's at some point in their careers.

You don't get to be a Pujols without them...ARod proved that.

Well I don't think Pujol's has, he was big in High school.. He was big at Maple Woods.. Could he have?? It is possible.. But I don't believe he has..

Now is he older then what he says?? Yes..

Valiant
05-07-2009, 01:00 PM
I doubt they want to void it though. They'll not pay him the 7-8 million while he's suspended and then welcome him back so he can hit home runs for the rest of the year. Almost like a late season acquisition.

Yeah but if he is off of them and his homers turn into to warning track pop flys the money is wasted..

T-post Tom
05-07-2009, 01:03 PM
Great, more ESPN hyperbole of "Manny being Manny". This should top Sportscenter for the rest of the baseball season. :cuss:

shitgoose
05-07-2009, 01:06 PM
Between this and the Favre bullshit you aren't going to be able to turn on the TV or the radio without hearing something about one of those two d-bags

Fruit Ninja
05-07-2009, 01:15 PM
meh, They are saying its not a steriod. I am fine with it. Dodgers still have some hitters. They just have to step up more.

Frazod
05-07-2009, 01:25 PM
Between this and the Favre bullshit you aren't going to be able to turn on the TV or the radio without hearing something about one of those two d-bags

This.

Yuck.

:cuss:

Demonpenz
05-07-2009, 01:26 PM
Between this and the Favre bullshit you aren't going to be able to turn on the TV or the radio without hearing something about one of those two d-bags

or that fucking grienke guy SHIT!

acesn8s
05-07-2009, 01:27 PM
hCG is a drug used to help woman's fertility!

ROFL

And it was prescribed by his DR.

ROFL

Manny being Mammy!

loochy
05-07-2009, 01:29 PM
Between this and the Favre bullshit you aren't going to be able to turn on the TV or the radio without hearing something about one of those two d-bags

It's better than the swine flu or that ugly singer lady on the English Idol.

WoodDraw
05-07-2009, 01:33 PM
Human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) is a glycoprotein hormone produced in pregnancy that is made by the developing embryo soon after conception and later by the syncytiotrophoblast (part of the placenta). Its role is to prevent the disintegration of the corpus luteum of the ovary and thereby maintain progesterone production that is critical for a pregnancy in humans. hCG may have additional functions; for instance, it is thought that hCG affects the immune tolerance of the pregnancy. Early pregnancy testing, in general, is based on the detection or measurement of hCG. Because hCG is produced also by some kinds of tumor, hCG is an important tumor marker, but it is not known whether this production is a contributing cause or an effect of tumorigenesis.

ROFL

He was just protecting his ovary

wild1
05-07-2009, 01:34 PM
LMAO

In 1993, Bonds had a .677 slugging.

The year Ichiro had 262 hits, he had a career high .455 slugging.

Why?

BECAUSE HE'S A SINGLES HITTER!.

Slugging is a % that measures what kind of power hitter you are...

Barry Bonds has ALWAYS been a power hitter.

You are being extremely ignorant...there is no other way to put it.

Half of the stat is batting average, which has nothing to do with power. Half of the remaining half, slugging, is going to be batting average and walks etc.

We could use a power statistic like home runs to measure power, or we could follow your suggestion, which is use a statistic that is clouded by all kinds of other factors, but which makes you not look (as) stupid.

(which is kind of like making it not so wet at the bottom of the ocean)

I'm shocked at which one you could use.

acesn8s
05-07-2009, 01:38 PM
Manny *

BigRedChief
05-07-2009, 01:40 PM
Well I don't think Pujol's has, he was big in High school.. He was big at Maple Woods.. Could he have?? It is possible.. But I don't believe he has..

Now is he older then what he says?? Yes..
even if he is older than he says he is, besides that fact that he's a liar, the on the field performance doesn't matter. Maybe the front office thinks they are going to get this # of productive years out of a guy and he falls off because he's older and then you can say the FO got robbed. But Pujols...he's a friggin bargain and only getting better with age. His last contract.

7 years/$100M (2004-10), plus 2011 club option


7 years/$100M (2004-10), plus 2011 club option


signed extension with St. Louis 2/19/04 (avoided arbitration, $10.5M-$7M)
04:$7M, 05:$11M, 06:$14M, 07:$15M, 08:$16M, 09:$16M, 10:$16M, 11:$16M club option ($5M buyout)
if option is not exercised, $4M of $5M buyout is deferred without interest
complete no-trade clause for 2004-2006, with a limited no-trade clause for 2007 through end of deal
$12M ($3M/year, 2007-10) deferred without interest, to be paid in 10 installments of $1.2M from 2020 to 2029, reducing present-day value at signing to $90,276,957
award bonuses: $50,000 each for Silver Slugger, Gold Glove, All Star ($25,000 AS selection); $0.1M for LCS MVP; $0.15M for WS MVP; $0.2M for MVP ($0.1M for 2nd in vote, $50,000 for 3rd)
perks: right to purchase 4 season tickets and luxury box at stadium each year
Pujols to make 4 trips to Dominican Republic as club representative

Short Leash Hootie
05-07-2009, 01:43 PM
Half of the stat is batting average, which has nothing to do with power. Half of the remaining half, slugging, is going to be batting average and walks etc.

We could use a power statistic like home runs to measure power, or we could follow your suggestion, which is use a statistic that is clouded by all kinds of other factors, but which makes you not look (as) stupid.

(which is kind of like making it not so wet at the bottom of the ocean)

I'm shocked at which one you could use.

so what would you consider a guy who hits 46 HR's in 1993?

Not a power hitter?

EyePod
05-07-2009, 01:54 PM
I love this. First A-Rod, now Manny. Two ESPN Cockboys down, two more to go (Pujols and Jeter if you even had to ask).

EyePod
05-07-2009, 01:57 PM
We're talking about hitting for power. You are running from the primary statistic which is home runs, in favor of something that dillutes measurement of power by including singles as 50-70% of the statistic. Not to mention the inclusion of walks.

Somebody sure looks dumb, but it isn't me.

OPS is much better to use than either BA or just HR's. It's crude but it works. Didn't you ever read Moneyball? OPS allows you to get a BETTER feel for someones run producing ability, not the perfect one.

Consistent1
05-07-2009, 02:00 PM
On the radio they just said it was HCG (Human Choronic Gonadotropin sp?).

If any of you have juiced before, you would know that this is used to stimulate natural testosterone production durning (and after) a cycle. It keeps you from shutting down you own test and it keeps your balls at full size (since temporary testicular atrophy can be a problem on long cycles).

Yeah, it makes more sense really in the attempting to avoid detection department. He was prolly using prop and suspension during the off-season to clear fast. That can shut you down pretty hard. I was only guessing caber because I thought maybe he was trying to take a chance and slip deca in for his joints. It would be a good choice for a big-bodied power hitter with a lot of joint strain. However, deca isn't smart testing wise, it will show for awhile. Sorry you got caught Manny, hate to see it happen. As for Pujols, count me in as thinking he has played with something at some point. I am almost betting no script actually exists in this Manny deal though.

L.A. Chieffan
05-07-2009, 02:02 PM
This thread is all bullshit. He wasn't tested + for steroids.

Buck
05-07-2009, 02:05 PM
This thread is all bullshit. He wasn't tested + for steroids.

Sounds like he tested positive for a masking agent though.

Mr. Krab
05-07-2009, 02:06 PM
I find it hard to believe that the MLB would take the PR hit and ban one of the big stars in a major market for 50 games just for some viagra.

L.A. Chieffan
05-07-2009, 02:06 PM
Sounds like he tested positive for a masking agent though.

He might as well have tested positive for viagra. It wasn't roids or HGH.

Consistent1
05-07-2009, 02:07 PM
This thread is all bullshit. He wasn't tested + for steroids.


Dude, I love the guy myself, but it is shady. That it is why it's on the list. The other issues he was fixing were already free and clear test wise. Some doctor may have said something like "guys sometimes use hcg for this". He could have sent some unknown dude down to Venice to get it for him, or wherever.

Sure-Oz
05-07-2009, 02:08 PM
Tested positive for being a dumbass and screwing his team for awhile

BigCatDaddy
05-07-2009, 02:08 PM
He might as well have tested positive for viagra. It wasn't roids or HGH.

Viagra isn't used to keep test production going while on a steroid cycle. GUILTY

WoodDraw
05-07-2009, 02:08 PM
He might as well have tested positive for viagra. It wasn't roids or HGH.

Even wikipedia outs it as a PED. Unless he was taking it for his ovary, STFU.

Brock
05-07-2009, 02:09 PM
He might as well have tested positive for viagra. It wasn't roids or HGH.

ROFL

L.A. Chieffan
05-07-2009, 02:10 PM
Dude, I love the guy myself, but it is shady. That it is why it's on the list. The other issues he was fixing were already free and clear test wise. Some doctor may have said something like "guys sometimes use hcg for this". He could have sent some unknown dude down to Venice to get it for him, or wherever.

Fine. He tested positive for a banned substance that was perscribed to him by a MD this spring. I can live with that, he can live with that, that's why he's not appealing the suspension.

But it's NOT roids, and it's NOT HGH.

So, to put him in the same group of guys like Canseco, Bonds and McGwire is just bullshit

L.A. Chieffan
05-07-2009, 02:11 PM
Even wikipedia outs it as a PED. Unless he was taking it for his ovary, STFU.

Ohh wiki says it'll make you crush 400 foot HRs then huh? Well then it must be true.

Sorry Manny, you're out of the HOF because wiki said so.

STFU

blaise
05-07-2009, 02:11 PM
and how did Griffey play way better defense?

He had a better arm...but Bonds won 8 gold gloves and was a force defensively in the 90s...I think people only remember his days with shot knees and a huge head or something.

I blame McGwire and Sosa for that...Bonds should have been getting the spotlight...he was the best player, but since he wasn't hitting 60+ HR's, he got jealous...and showed what a real baseball player could do on the juice.

And he went on to post an OPS of 1.421 and made Babe Ruth look like a pansy.

Actually I would say Griffey played way better defense because he played the more important defensive position, and he was pretty much the best at it.
I credit Bonds for his Gold Gloves, he earned them, but a corner outfielder isn't the same as CF.

loochy
05-07-2009, 02:11 PM
Yeah, it makes more sense really in the attempting to avoid detection department. He was prolly using prop and suspension during the off-season to clear fast. That can shut you down pretty hard. I was only guessing caber because I thought maybe he was trying to take a chance and slip deca in for his joints. It would be a good choice for a big-bodied power hitter with a lot of joint strain. However, deca isn't smart testing wise, it will show for awhile. Sorry you got caught Manny, hate to see it happen. As for Pujols, count me in as thinking he has played with something at some point. I am almost betting no script actually exists in this Manny deal though.

Looks like we have a fellow juicer here, lol. Yeah, I can't imagine him ever thinking about using deca or any nandrolone derivative if he's going to be tested. I would agree with what you said about using suspension.

Script or no script, it is still banned and he will still be suspended.

And of course Pujols has done something before......ESPECIALLY some sort of fast acting ester in the offseason.

WoodDraw
05-07-2009, 02:11 PM
Fine. He tested positive for a banned substance that was perscribed to him by a MD this spring. I can live with that, he can live with that, that's why he's not appealing the suspension.

But it's NOT roids, and it's NOT HGH.

So, to put him in the same group of guys like Canseco, Bonds and McGwire is just bullshit

From wiki,

In the world of performance enhancing drugs, hCG is increasingly used in combination with various anabolic androgenic steroid (AAS) cycles. It is included in some sports' illegal drug lists.

When AAS are put into a male body, the body's natural negative-feedback loops cause the body to shut down its own production of testosterone via shutdown of the hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis (HPGA). It is a common misconception that estrogen will be elevated post cycle. Generally, estrogen is below a normal level after a cycle.[11] High levels of AASs that mimic the body's natural testosterone trigger the hypothalamus to shut down its production of gonadotropin-releasing hormone (GnRH) from the hypothalamus. Without GnRH, the pituitary gland stops releasing luteinizing hormone (LH). LH normally travels from the pituitary via the blood stream to the testes, where it triggers the production and release of testosterone. Without LH, the testes shut down their production of testosterone, causing testicular atrophy.

In males, hCG mimics LH and helps restore and maintain testosterone production in the testes. As such, hCG is commonly used during and after steroid cycles to maintain and restore testicular size as well as endogenous testosterone production. However, if hCG is used for too long and in too high a dose, the resulting rise in natural testosterone will eventually inhibit its own production via negative feedback on the hypothalamus and pituitary.

Let's not pretend some girl dropped her birth control in his wheaties.

Katipan
05-07-2009, 02:12 PM
Fine. He tested positive for a banned substance that was perscribed to him by a MD this spring. I can live with that, he can live with that, that's why he's not appealing the suspension.

But it's NOT roids, and it's NOT HGH.

So, to put him in the same group of guys like Canseco, Bonds and McGwire is just bullshit

LOL anyone that tests positive for a banned substance belongs in that circle jerk.

BigCatDaddy
05-07-2009, 02:12 PM
Fine. He tested positive for a banned substance that was perscribed to him by a MD this spring. I can live with that, he can live with that, that's why he's not appealing the suspension.

But it's NOT roids, and it's NOT HGH.

So, to put him in the same group of guys like Canseco, Bonds and McGwire is just bullshit

Sorry dude. He is now in that class. He got caught.

L.A. Chieffan
05-07-2009, 02:12 PM
Viagra isn't used to keep test production going while on a steroid cycle. GUILTY

If you couldn't get it up, would you want the whole world to know about it?

Nevermind you probably can't get it up.

Sure-Oz
05-07-2009, 02:12 PM
Banned performance enhancer...enough said

Buck
05-07-2009, 02:13 PM
Dude, its not roids or HGH, but if has an Erection problem, there are plenty of drugs he could have used that are safe to use.

Dont you think that is shady?

Consistent1
05-07-2009, 02:13 PM
Fine. He tested positive for a banned substance that was perscribed to him by a MD this spring. I can live with that, he can live with that, that's why he's not appealing the suspension.

But it's NOT roids, and it's NOT HGH.

So, to put him in the same group of guys like Canseco, Bonds and McGwire is just bullshit


It's not roids or HGH, no.....lmao. You are right about that. He had to have shut down his test somehow. Look at his career, he hasn't been a type that you think would have low natural test levels. I still question if there will actually be a script produced, or if it was just shady off the record potential advice.

L.A. Chieffan
05-07-2009, 02:16 PM
Dude, its not roids or HGH, but if has an Erection problem, there are plenty of drugs he could have used that are safe to use.

Dont you think that is shady?

All the viagra and cialis commercials say "Consult a physician". Maybe he already tried them and was just following the advice.

Fruit Ninja
05-07-2009, 02:16 PM
Sorry dude. He is now in that class. He got caught.

For me i dont give a shit. Manny was never going to enter the Hall of Fame as a Dodger. Him playing a year and a half maybe 2 and a half as a Dodger doesnt mean much as a L.A Dodger fan. He will be back to play the last what 65 or so games?

All i care is that my team The Los Angeles Dodgers can do damage in the Play offs and possibly win a World Series. This team has enough good hitters to still compete in the sorry ass National League West.

He will be back for the stretch. Its not a big deal to me personally. His overall career? maybe, who knows. That doesnt concern me, beucase he's a Red Sox at heart. Its just like with Tony G. I could give a shit what Gonzo does now that he's not playing for the team i root for.

acesn8s
05-07-2009, 02:19 PM
Dude, its not roids or HGH, but if has an Erection problem, there are plenty of drugs he could have used that are safe to use.

Dont you think that is shady?

This medication is a hormone used in boys (before puberty) to cause the normal dropping of the testicles into the scrotum. It is also used in certain boys to help with normal sexual development. It works by causing the testes to release male sex hormones (e.g., testosterone). This medication is also used in women to treat fertility problems. It is given after finishing another medication (menotropins) to cause the release of an egg (ovulation). It should not be used in women whose ovaries no longer make eggs properly (primary ovarian failure).

http://www.webmd.com/drugs/drug-11192-HCG+IM.aspx?drugid=11192&drugname=HCG+IM

Perhaps he was trying to get knocked up.

wild1
05-07-2009, 02:56 PM
so what would you consider a guy who hits 46 HR's in 1993?

Not a power hitter?

His 7 years in Pittsburgh, he averaged 25.14 home runs per season.

A far cry from the roid period in 00-04, where he averaged 51 per season.

wild1
05-07-2009, 02:57 PM
[QUOTE=L.A.Chieffan;5747956]Fine. He tested positive for a banned substance that was perscribed to him by a MD this spring/QUOTE]

right... barry bonds' "flax seed oil" and rafael palmiero's "b12 injections" agree with you...

KCChiefsMan
05-07-2009, 02:58 PM
good, f*ck him

L.A. Chieffan
05-07-2009, 03:00 PM
[QUOTE=L.A.Chieffan;5747956]Fine. He tested positive for a banned substance that was perscribed to him by a MD this spring/QUOTE]

right... barry bonds' "flax seed oil" and rafael palmiero's "b12 injections" agree with you...

Are flax seed oil and b12 injections banned by MLB too?

Short Leash Hootie
05-07-2009, 03:01 PM
His 7 years in Pittsburgh, he averaged 25.14 home runs per season.

A far cry from the roid period in 00-04, where he averaged 51 per season.

just admit you n00bed yourself and then we can move on

Mr. Krab
05-07-2009, 03:02 PM
I think during Manny's last test the tester peeked and saw that Manny was using the Whizinator 5000. The tester saw that Manny really had a vagina and he had been using the Whizinator to pass off as a guy and continue to be a meatpeeker in the locker room.

wild1
05-07-2009, 03:02 PM
[QUOTE=wild1;5748222]

Are flax seed oil and b12 injections banned by MLB too?

I was referring to their BS cover stories that they didn't know they were on roids.

wild1
05-07-2009, 03:03 PM
just admit you n00bed yourself and then we can move on

You're the one that apparently considers 25 home runs a "power hitter"

L.A. Chieffan
05-07-2009, 03:04 PM
[QUOTE=L.A.Chieffan;5748233]

I was referring to their BS cover stories that they didn't know they were on roids.

No you we're referring that Manny did roids and was using this as BS cover story even though he's being suspended for it. Good call.

Short Leash Hootie
05-07-2009, 03:06 PM
You're the one that apparently considers 25 home runs a "power hitter"

you're the one that cherry picks data from a 20 year old rookie...

what about 1993-1998? You conveniently leave those numbers out...

LMAO
.

ziggysocki
05-07-2009, 03:11 PM
You're the one that apparently considers 25 home runs a "power hitter"

Generally that is the HR leader on the Royals.

Sure-Oz
05-07-2009, 03:15 PM
I still think it's funny that Bob Hamelin beat out Manny for ROY Honors.

RippedmyFlesh
05-07-2009, 04:02 PM
Like having to explain to your kids every 5 minutes what those boner commercials are for, now you have to explain why their favorite player, or a player they know needs those drugs.

Nah easy to explain just tell them they aren't REAL men like dad is.:thumb:

Mr. Krab
05-07-2009, 04:59 PM
good, f*ck himthis

kstater
05-07-2009, 05:32 PM
Hello Marlboro Chief. Just a friendly PSA to not quote the troll.

KC_Connection
05-07-2009, 05:35 PM
So Mark McGwire, Rafael Palmeiro, Sammy Sosa, Alex Rodriguez, Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, and now Manny Ramirez aren't going to be in the Hall of Fame, now? Did I get that right?

The HOF is going to turn into a joke very soon.

KC_Connection
05-07-2009, 05:38 PM
Fine. He tested positive for a banned substance that was perscribed to him by a MD this spring. I can live with that, he can live with that, that's why he's not appealing the suspension.

But it's NOT roids, and it's NOT HGH.

So, to put him in the same group of guys like Canseco, Bonds and McGwire is just bullshit

Manny Ramirez is one of my favorite players, but the only reason that I can see for him to be using hCG is for coming off an anabolic steroid cycle.

KC_Connection
05-07-2009, 05:39 PM
and how did Griffey play way better defense?

He had a better arm...but Bonds won 8 gold gloves and was a force defensively in the 90s...I think people only remember his days with shot knees and a huge head or something.

I blame McGwire and Sosa for that...Bonds should have been getting the spotlight...he was the best player, but since he wasn't hitting 60+ HR's, he got jealous...and showed what a real baseball player could do on the juice.

And he went on to post an OPS of 1.421 and made Babe Ruth look like a pansy.

Bonds=the greatest player of all time

MIAdragon
05-07-2009, 05:42 PM
Fine. He tested positive for a banned substance that was perscribed to him by a MD this spring. I can live with that, he can live with that, that's why he's not appealing the suspension.

But it's NOT roids, and it's NOT HGH.

So, to put him in the same group of guys like Canseco, Bonds and McGwire is just bullshit

its like your wife walking in your bedroom and finding opened condom wrappers on the floor. Did she catch you screwing around no, does she know you did well yea.

Short Leash Hootie
05-07-2009, 05:50 PM
its like your wife walking in your bedroom and finding opened condom wrappers on the floor. Did she catch you screwing around no, does she know you did well yea.

maybe the dude likes jacking it in condoms?

Fruit Ninja
05-07-2009, 05:56 PM
its like your wife walking in your bedroom and finding opened condom wrappers on the floor. Did she catch you screwing around no, does she know you did well yea.

Then you realized it was yours from last week because she didnt get her shot and you didnt want another kid.

MIAdragon
05-07-2009, 06:00 PM
Then you realized it was yours from last week because she didnt get her shot and you didnt want another kid.

Thats when you tell he your all out of them so since she forgot her shot she has to take it in the butt.

bdeg
05-07-2009, 06:07 PM
Manny Ramirez is one of my favorite players, but the only reason that I can see for him to be using hCG is for coming off an anabolic steroid cycle.

exactly

that's why this substance is banned

MIAdragon
05-07-2009, 06:12 PM
exactly

that's why this substance is banned

Unless he’s trying to trigger the ovulation process

Mr. Krab
05-08-2009, 09:17 AM
This thread is more accurate.