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L.A. Chieffan
05-07-2009, 03:04 PM
Correction of the other thread:

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ys-ramirezsuspension050709&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

LOS ANGELES – A source close to Manny Ramirez(notes) said Thursday that the illegal substance for which the Los Angeles Dodgers slugger tested positive was not “an agent customarily used for performance enhancing.”

At least not on the baseball diamond. The source, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the drug was prescribed to address Ramirez’s erectile dysfunction.

However, two sources said the substance Ramirez tested positive for a gonadotropin. Major League baseball’s list of banned substances includes the gonadotropins LH and HCG, which are most commonly used by women as fertility drugs. They also can be used to trigger testosterone production. Testosterone is depleted by steroid use, and low testosterone can cause erectile dysfunction.

“Testosterone and similar drugs are effective for erectile dysfunction in that they jazz up your sex drive,” said Charles Yesalis, a professor at Penn State who has testified before Congress on issues of performance-enhancing drugs. “But far more clinicians accept that affect with Viagra and Cialis. It’s hard for me to understand if it was erectile dysfunction why they would use it.”

Ramirez tested positive for the substance during spring training, then had the urine – a “B” sample – tested again more recently, and it also was positive. Major League Baseball notified Ramirez of the second positive test after Wednesday night’s Dodgers victory over the Washington Nationals. Ramirez admitted to having taken the substance and declined to appeal. His 50-game suspension begins today.
Manny Ramirez(notes) (99) waits to hit as team owner and chairman, Frank McCourt looks on during the first inning of a baseball game againstthe Arizona Diamondbacks in Los Angeles. Ramirez was suspended for 50 games by Major League Baseball on Thursday, May 7, saying he was prescribed a medication by a doctor that contained a banned substance. The office announce the specific violation by the Los Angeles Dodgers outfielder, who will lose about $7.65 million of his $25 million salary.


“The substance is not a steroid and it is not human-growth hormone,” the source said.

Ramirez, the source said, acquired the substance through a prescription from a doctor in Miami for his medical condition. The source intimated that Ramirez might bring legal action against the physician.

Ramirez released the following statement Thursday morning: “Recently I saw a physician for a personal health issue. He gave me a medication, not a steroid, which he thought was okay to give me. Unfortunately, the medication was banned under our drug policy. Under the policy that mistake is now my responsibility. I have been advised not to say anything more for now. I do want to say one other thing; I’ve taken and passed about 15 drug tests over the past five seasons.

The Dodgers, who have won a Major League record 13 consecutive home games to start the season, will be without Ramirez until July 3. Outfielder Xavier Paul was promoted from triple-A to take Ramirez’s place on the roster. The suspension will cost Ramirez close to $8 million in lost wages.

Drugs or hormones that increase testosterone production often show up on banned lists.

Frazod
05-07-2009, 03:18 PM
Damn. I'd rather take the rap for steroid use than admit my dick doesn't work. LMAO

Sure-Oz
05-07-2009, 03:19 PM
Should've taken Cyallis or something haha

L.A. Chieffan
05-07-2009, 03:20 PM
Damn. I'd rather take the rap for steroid use than admit my dick doesn't work. LMAO

He's fucked either way. Either he cheated or he couldn't get it up.

LOL at MANRAM

seclark
05-07-2009, 03:23 PM
He's ****ed either way. Either he cheated or he couldn't get it up.

LOL at MANRAM

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BigCatDaddy
05-07-2009, 03:23 PM
Right! He tested postivie for a substance to help with the side effects of steroid use.

L.A. Chieffan
05-07-2009, 03:23 PM
Maybe he's gay.

The Bad Guy
05-07-2009, 03:24 PM
What you fail to mention is that the performance enhancing sexual drug could be needed because he did steroids beforehand and it dropped his testosterone.

L.A. Chieffan
05-07-2009, 03:24 PM
Maybe he's a rastafarian.

L.A. Chieffan
05-07-2009, 03:25 PM
Maybe he couldn't get it up AND he wanted to cheat???

WE HAVE A WINNAAAAR!!!!

acesn8s
05-07-2009, 03:29 PM
What conditions does this medication treat?
HCG IM is used to treat the following:
Inadequate Gonadotropin Secretion causing Hypogonadism, Female Problems Causing Trouble in Getting Pregnant, Test Tube Fertilization, Undescended Testicle, Stimulation of Ovarian Function
HCG IM may also be used to treat:
An Insufficiency in Ovulation

http://www.webmd.com/drugs/drug-11192-HCG+IM.aspx?drugid=11192&drugname=HCG+IM&pagenumber=4

BigCatDaddy
05-07-2009, 03:31 PM
LACHIEFFAN is in denial to the 1000000000000 degree.

Sure-Oz
05-07-2009, 03:31 PM
LOL rome said "guys would shoot bull urine in their eye if it guaranteed 5 more knocks a year"

Consistent1
05-07-2009, 03:32 PM
LACHIEFFAN is in denial to the 1000000000000 degree.


I think it was chain pulling time with the second thread.

acesn8s
05-07-2009, 03:35 PM
http://www.steroid.com/HCG.php

L.A. Chieffan
05-07-2009, 03:36 PM
I think this settles it.

Manny is a tranny.

beavis
05-07-2009, 03:36 PM
What you fail to mention is that the performance enhancing sexual drug could be needed because he did steroids beforehand and it dropped his testosterone.

Exactly what I thought.

MIAdragon
05-07-2009, 03:38 PM
Right! He tested postivie for a substance to help with the side effects of steroid use.

bingo

L.A. Chieffan
05-07-2009, 03:40 PM
He's never tested positive for steroids over many years, now he gets tested for a drug that ISN'T steroids soooo that means he took steroids?

Makes sense to me.

NO HOF FOR YOU MANNY FUCKFACE!!

Micjones
05-07-2009, 03:43 PM
Ouch!
I'd rather people think I cheated to enhance my performance on the diamond!!!
:D

BigCatDaddy
05-07-2009, 03:43 PM
He's never tested positive for steroids over many years, now he gets tested for a drug that ISN'T steroids soooo that means he took steroids?

Makes sense to me.

NO HOF FOR YOU MANNY ****FACE!!

He still might get in as well as A-Roid. Voters are kind of funny that way.

Valiant
05-07-2009, 03:54 PM
Correction of the other thread:

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ys-ramirezsuspension050709&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

LOS ANGELES – A source close to Manny Ramirez(notes) said Thursday that the illegal substance for which the Los Angeles Dodgers slugger tested positive was not “an agent customarily used for performance enhancing.”

At least not on the baseball diamond. The source, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the drug was prescribed to address Ramirez’s erectile dysfunction.

However, two sources said the substance Ramirez tested positive for a gonadotropin. Major League baseball’s list of banned substances includes the gonadotropins LH and HCG, which are most commonly used by women as fertility drugs. They also can be used to trigger testosterone production. Testosterone is depleted by steroid use, and low testosterone can cause erectile dysfunction.

“Testosterone and similar drugs are effective for erectile dysfunction in that they jazz up your sex drive,” said Charles Yesalis, a professor at Penn State who has testified before Congress on issues of performance-enhancing drugs. “But far more clinicians accept that affect with Viagra and Cialis. It’s hard for me to understand if it was erectile dysfunction why they would use it.”

Ramirez tested positive for the substance during spring training, then had the urine – a “B” sample – tested again more recently, and it also was positive. Major League Baseball notified Ramirez of the second positive test after Wednesday night’s Dodgers victory over the Washington Nationals. Ramirez admitted to having taken the substance and declined to appeal. His 50-game suspension begins today.
Manny Ramirez(notes) (99) waits to hit as team owner and chairman, Frank McCourt looks on during the first inning of a baseball game againstthe Arizona Diamondbacks in Los Angeles. Ramirez was suspended for 50 games by Major League Baseball on Thursday, May 7, saying he was prescribed a medication by a doctor that contained a banned substance. The office announce the specific violation by the Los Angeles Dodgers outfielder, who will lose about $7.65 million of his $25 million salary.


“The substance is not a steroid and it is not human-growth hormone,” the source said.

Ramirez, the source said, acquired the substance through a prescription from a doctor in Miami for his medical condition. The source intimated that Ramirez might bring legal action against the physician.

Ramirez released the following statement Thursday morning: “Recently I saw a physician for a personal health issue. He gave me a medication, not a steroid, which he thought was okay to give me. Unfortunately, the medication was banned under our drug policy. Under the policy that mistake is now my responsibility. I have been advised not to say anything more for now. I do want to say one other thing; I’ve taken and passed about 15 drug tests over the past five seasons.

The Dodgers, who have won a Major League record 13 consecutive home games to start the season, will be without Ramirez until July 3. Outfielder Xavier Paul was promoted from triple-A to take Ramirez’s place on the roster. The suspension will cost Ramirez close to $8 million in lost wages.

Drugs or hormones that increase testosterone production often show up on banned lists.

And it was also reported that the stuff is also used for as a masking agent..

He could be telling the truth, but he should be suspended anyway.. Players KNOW to check everything they take through the league..

Consistent1
05-07-2009, 03:54 PM
He still might get in as well as A-Roid. Voters are kind of funny that way.

Pretty solid point, who knows? If there is a big push to not put Bonds in, how can they fairly deal with all these other guys? BB seems to be the true villian to most for some reason. Where will the line be?

booger
05-07-2009, 04:16 PM
should have tried Mycoxsafloppin

BWillie
05-07-2009, 04:37 PM
What you fail to mention is that the performance enhancing sexual drug could be needed because he did steroids beforehand and it dropped his testosterone.

Tell that to the millions of guys in this country of Manny's age who have trouble getting it up and haven't hit the juice. Don't think it's fair to jump to conclusions about that since he's never been listed on a Balco report or tested positive before.

kstater
05-07-2009, 04:43 PM
Tell that to the millions of guys in this country of Manny's age who have trouble getting it up and haven't hit the juice. Don't think it's fair to jump to conclusions about that since he's never been listed on a Balco report or tested positive before.

And I can gaurandamntee you that those millions of guys are taking Viagra or Cialis or some such drug, not some women's fertility drug.

BWillie
05-07-2009, 04:46 PM
And I can gaurandamntee you that those millions of guys are taking Viagra or Cialis or some such drug, not some women's fertility drug.

Naw, if it's a really bad bustacious skank I just do the squeeze the base technique before entering the bearded clam.

RippedmyFlesh
05-07-2009, 04:50 PM
He's never tested positive for steroids over many years, now he gets tested for a drug that ISN'T steroids soooo that means he took steroids?

Makes sense to me.

NO HOF FOR YOU MANNY FUCKFACE!!
Because he was a redsox and mlb couldn't dare tarnish the fucking cheating redsox who had plenty of steroid users during the series runs. Wait till it comes out Mr holier than thou Schilling juiced.

MIAdragon
05-07-2009, 05:54 PM
Because he was a redsox and mlb couldn't dare tarnish the ****ing cheating redsox who had plenty of steroid users during the series runs. Wait till it comes out Mr holier than thou Schilling juiced.

LMAO someone get some cheese for this yankee fans whine please.

Saccopoo
05-07-2009, 06:10 PM
Steriod users use HCG on the down cycles to boost natural testosterone production. It is a substantially quicker acting, more potent form of something like 6-OXO, which can be legally obtained OTC, and is also used for that same purpose.

There is absolutely no reason that this would be prescribed by a "Florida" doctor for ED, at least prior to Viagra, Cialas or the like.

It's why it's a banned substance by MLB. They know exactly what it's been used for when a player comes up with it in his urine.

vailpass
05-07-2009, 06:13 PM
Right! He tested postivie for a substance to help with the side effects of steroid use.

Exactamundo. He did his cycles in the offseason and covered them up during the season. IMO baseball should just say fuck it we ain't testing for steroids anymore.

MIAdragon
05-07-2009, 06:24 PM
Exactamundo. He did his cycles in the offseason and covered them up during the season. IMO baseball should just say **** it we ain't testing for steroids anymore.

MLB tests in the off season too.

KC_Connection
05-07-2009, 07:55 PM
He's never tested positive for steroids over many years, now he gets tested for a drug that ISN'T steroids soooo that means he took steroids?

Makes sense to me.

NO HOF FOR YOU MANNY ****FACE!!

I'm pretty sure they make undetectable steroids for a reason.

Mojo Rising
05-07-2009, 11:03 PM
I am very disappointed with this. I have been a Dodger fan all of my life and was reluctant when Manny was traded to the Dodgers.

I never liked him after hearing the storiy of him faking sick and sitting out a game vs. the Yanks and then being seen drinking with Yankee players at the bar after the game.

He has raised the level of play of the young talent we have on the team so I have put up with him. I am going to have a hard time watching the Dodgers when he returns.

He will likely exercise his option for next year as his play will likely slip (Gary Matthews Jr) and he won't have any other options.

I used to argue with Big Daddy about what a POS Bonds was and he would always say that if he was a Dodger I would be a big Bonds fan. I now know it is not true. When Manny returns I will be rooting for the uni, not the player.

Der Flöprer
05-07-2009, 11:51 PM
Get over it. Rebuilding? :shrug:

KC_Connection
05-08-2009, 12:15 AM
I am very disappointed with this. I have been a Dodger fan all of my life and was reluctant when Manny was traded to the Dodgers.

I never liked him after hearing the storiy of him faking sick and sitting out a game vs. the Yanks and then being seen drinking with Yankee players at the bar after the game.

He has raised the level of play of the young talent we have on the team so I have put up with him. I am going to have a hard time watching the Dodgers when he returns.

He will likely exercise his option for next year as his play will likely slip (Gary Matthews Jr) and he won't have any other options.

I used to argue with Big Daddy about what a POS Bonds was and he would always say that if he was a Dodger I would be a big Bonds fan. I now know it is not true. When Manny returns I will be rooting for the uni, not the player.

lol, Why would Manny Ramirez' play slip? He's one of the greatest right-handed hitters of all time, he's not Gary Matthews Jr.

Sure-Oz
05-08-2009, 12:34 AM
Maybe he meant his play with women?

Mojo Rising
05-08-2009, 02:34 AM
lol, Why would Manny Ramirez' play slip? He's one of the greatest right-handed hitters of all time, he's not Gary Matthews Jr.

Gary Matthews Jr. was caught in a PED incident shortly after he signed a HUGE $ deal with the Angels. He started the PED's in the prior year which was the final year of his deal with the Rangers in order to pump his numbers for the new FA contract.

He arrived in Anaheim, got popped by MLB and then was off the juice. The Angels then had a highly priced skeleton of the player they signed and pay 10 Mil range per year to sit on the bench. He was deep on their depth chart at the start of the season.

Manny, in his mid-late 30's, without roids is the same.

Giambi did the same to the Yanks.

BWillie
05-08-2009, 02:56 AM
Gary Matthews Jr. was caught in a PED incident shortly after he signed a HUGE $ deal with the Angels. He started the PED's in the prior year which was the final year of his deal with the Rangers in order to pump his numbers for the new FA contract.

He arrived in Anaheim, got popped by MLB and then was off the juice. The Angels then had a highly priced skeleton of the player they signed and pay 10 Mil range per year to sit on the bench. He was deep on their depth chart at the start of the season.

Manny, in his mid-late 30's, without roids is the same.

Giambi did the same to the Yanks.


You kidding me? Giambi was a very productive player for the Yanks when he was healthy. Hell of an OBP and if I can remember right had almost 40 hrs for them a couple years ago. Nothing like what happened to Gary Mathews Jr, he is a complete human wasteland since joining the Angels.

Mojo Rising
05-08-2009, 03:20 AM
You kidding me? Giambi was a very productive player for the Yanks when he was healthy. Hell of an OBP and if I can remember right had almost 40 hrs for them a couple years ago. Nothing like what happened to Gary Mathews Jr, he is a complete human wasteland since joining the Angels.

Giambi was a productive player at a superstar price. After he quit the juice his production was 60% of what he was being paid for.

Manny will still be a good player, but, there was a reason he took what he got caught for. Sharper eye site, quicker bat, more burst...

He is older and his numbers took off at the end of last year. Coincidence?

I have experienced some of the greatest Champ stories in Baseball with the Dodgers. I am glad we did not win last year because of the taint it would have caused on our other successes.

We will be stuck with Man Ram for the next 2 years. Hopefully he will clean up his act but his history has been when the going gets tough...Manny gets going.

hishighness
05-08-2009, 07:43 AM
which are most commonly used by women as fertility drugs.A preggers Manny, that's a scary thought.

Lex Luthor
05-08-2009, 08:14 AM
If Manny were truly innocent and this was just a mistake caused by his doctor, he wouldn't be so polite and nice about being suspended for 50 games and losing over $8,000,0000 in salary. He'd be screaming bloody murder that he has NEVER taken steroids and that this is f***ing bullsh*t.

Manny being so "understanding" about this "unfortunate situation" speaks VOLUMES.

BigRedChief
05-08-2009, 08:24 AM
Taking a known drug that steriod users use to get back to normal after a steriod cycle is not okay. Red Flag. should have been suspended.

JASONSAUTO
05-08-2009, 08:50 AM
Taking a known drug that steriod users use to get back to normal after a steriod cycle is not okay. Red Flag. should have been suspended.

he was right? 50 games

Amnorix
05-08-2009, 09:20 AM
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KCCHIEFS27
05-08-2009, 09:31 AM
Personally, I'm sick of the obsession with baseball player's morality. These guys are not brain surgeons. They hit a ball with a piece of wood and run around in circles. Who's to say "old-time" players wouldn't have used them if they had known the effectiveness with which they produced. As it is, this is just Manny being WoManny. Bada bing!

Buck
05-08-2009, 09:54 AM
I have a theory.

Remember when he was sitting out of spring training asking for a bigger contract?

Well what if that whole time, the bigger contract was just a smoke screen.

He was on the juice and couldn't start playing right away to get tested.

He did his cycles then took the hcG and when he thought he was cleaned up he signed, but when they tested him he still had the elevated levels of testosterone.

The Aristocrats.

BigRock
05-08-2009, 10:25 AM
If Manny were truly innocent and this was just a mistake caused by his doctor, he wouldn't be so polite and nice about being suspended for 50 games and losing over $8,000,0000 in salary. He'd be screaming bloody murder that he has NEVER taken steroids and that this is f***ing bullsh*t.

Manny being so "understanding" about this "unfortunate situation" speaks VOLUMES.

He has nothing to scream bloody murder about. Even if it was prescribed to him, it's his own fault for being too dumb to check and see if it was safe for him to take.

This whole thing boils down to how stupid you think Manny Ramirez is. Is he just goofy "Manny being Manny" levels of dumb, where he'd innocently take something without checking to see if it was banned? Or is he a cheater who got caught red-handed with a banned substance in his system, which would make him borderline retarded?

King_Chief_Fan
05-08-2009, 10:54 AM
Taking a known drug that steriod users use to get back to normal after a steriod cycle is not okay. Red Flag. should have been suspended.

exactly....couldn't happen to a better guy. How does taking a female fertilization drug help a guy with ED? He has a limp weiner from taking steroidsROFL

ClevelandBronco
05-08-2009, 11:14 AM
1. I also did not test positive for steroids.

2. It plays hard when it's called up.