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Fire Me Boy!
05-09-2009, 10:40 AM
Thinking about getting my first bike... looking fairly cheap, not into speed-demon type stuff.



Just some advice about a 1993 Kawasaki Vulcan (left) or a '78 Goldwing (right).

http://images.craigslist.org/3k63m03l7ZZZZZZZZZ94e2c81debce4aa167e.jpghttp://images.craigslist.org/3k83me3pdZZZZZZZZZ9572c600972baf717ff.jpg

phillip
05-09-2009, 10:48 AM
I'd go with the 93. They made a lot of improvements in those 15 years. It also looks a lot lighter.

Edit: unless you're going to have somebody on the back of it a lot. The Goldwing obviously looks much more comfortable for passengers.

Fire Me Boy!
05-09-2009, 10:50 AM
The Kawasaki is a 6-speed with 33K miles - is that good for a cycle? Is this a good beginner's bike? I know nothing.

el borracho
05-09-2009, 10:54 AM
I've owned two Vulcans, and they were/are great bikes. Mine were the 750, shaft-driven V-twins and I put about 50k miles on each. Smooth acceleration (because they are shaft-driven), easy to balance (because they have a low center of gravity) and the stock seat is very comforable for driver and passenger.

It is difficult to tell from that image- what size is the Vulcan in the photo?

Fire Me Boy!
05-09-2009, 10:56 AM
The Vulcan is a 500.

el borracho
05-09-2009, 10:57 AM
The Kawasaki is a 6-speed with 33K miles - is that good for a cycle? Is this a good beginner's bike? I know nothing.

33k is not bad, at all. In my experience bikes don't start shaking themselves apart until after 50k miles, which is why I usually sell them when they hit that mark. Well, I say usually- I have only owned 4 motorcycles.

Fire Me Boy!
05-09-2009, 10:57 AM
I also found a 1991 Vulcan 500 with just under 20K miles. Water cooled with belt drive and a 6 speed transmission.

el borracho
05-09-2009, 10:59 AM
The Vulcan is a 500.

Single cylinder? That is probably a bit small, unless you are very light. I suggest you look around for a 750... you will outgrow that 500 pretty quick.

phillip
05-09-2009, 11:00 AM
I think the 15 year age difference will be more important for maintenance than the mileage. A lot of people believe Hondas to be more reliable than Kawasakis though.

The Kaw is going to be more agile and easier to manuever. The Honda is 600 pounds and the Kaw is 400. For a first bike, I'd probably go with the Vulcan if it were me.

stevieray
05-09-2009, 11:00 AM
Gold wing all the way...you'll outgrow that 500...that Gold Wing will glide down the highway...

Fire Me Boy!
05-09-2009, 11:01 AM
Single cylinder? That is probably a bit small, unless you are very light. I suggest you look around for a 750... you will outgrow that 500 pretty quick.

I'm not real light, but I think I'm done growing. :)

I'm really not looking for a lot of power or speed. I've been toodling around town on a little 49cc scooter and really enjoy it. And my wife's car is toast, so I was thinking about giving her the Explorer and me getting a bike.

But I'm not looking to take this thing on the interstate - we're talking driving to and from work, the occasional 30-mile ride out of town or something. No touring since my wife has no desire whatsoever.

stevieray
05-09-2009, 11:03 AM
I'm not real light, but I think I'm done growing. :)

I'm really not looking for a lot of power or speed. I've been toodling around town on a little 49cc scooter and really enjoy it. And my wife's car is toast, so I was thinking about giving her the Explorer and me getting a bike.

But I'm not looking to take this thing on the interstate - we're talking driving to and from work, the occasional 30-mile ride out of town or something. No touring since my wife has no desire whatsoever.


Vespa...:D

Fire Me Boy!
05-09-2009, 11:04 AM
Vespa...:D

Heh... if only! :) No, it's a $400 POS I bought from a guy on Craigslist.

The thing is fun, but it tops out around 30 mph.

The Goldwing is 1000 cc.

Scorp
05-09-2009, 11:04 AM
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Fire Me Boy!
05-09-2009, 11:05 AM
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Cheap... as in, $2K or lower for a first bike. I won't spend a lot of money to find out whether or not it's something I want to continue.

el borracho
05-09-2009, 11:06 AM
I'm not real light, but I think I'm done growing. :)

I'm really not looking for a lot of power or speed. I've been toodling around town on a little 49cc scooter and really enjoy it. And my wife's car is toast, so I was thinking about giving her the Explorer and me getting a bike.

But I'm not looking to take this thing on the interstate - we're talking driving to and from work, the occasional 30-mile ride out of town or something. No touring since my wife has no desire whatsoever.

I'm not advocating more power for vanity's sake. It is important with motorcycles to have enough power to avoid trouble. When you see trouble coming, you want to be able to get out of the way so you don't end up hurt. When some knucklehead decides he wants in your lane and doesn't bother looking, you want to be able to move quickly.

Crashride
05-09-2009, 11:08 AM
I'm not real light, but I think I'm done growing. :)

I'm really not looking for a lot of power or speed. I've been toodling around town on a little 49cc scooter and really enjoy it. And my wife's car is toast, so I was thinking about giving her the Explorer and me getting a bike.

But I'm not looking to take this thing on the interstate - we're talking driving to and from work, the occasional 30-mile ride out of town or something. No touring since my wife has no desire whatsoever.

I just want to chime in real quick and tell you I think either bike you choose is a great choice for your first bike. I also want to thank you for being smart and deciding to make your first choice for a bike a good one. A lot of guys bite off more than they can chew and hurt themselves or others. Will you grow out of it? Sure. Get a new one after you have got all the noob out of your riding, and are a master of that bike. Which will take longer than you think.
As far as the bike, the goldwing is a little bit heavier. If your strong then you cant go wrong either choice. Personally I lean towards the vulcan. Ride safe sir.

Fire Me Boy!
05-09-2009, 11:08 AM
I'm not advocating more power for vanity's sake. It is important with motorcycles to have enough power to avoid trouble. When you see trouble coming, you want to be able to get out of the way so you don't end up hurt. When some knucklehead decides he wants in your lane and doesn't bother looking, you want to be able to move quickly.

Ah, that makes sense. :thumb:

stevieray
05-09-2009, 11:09 AM
i'm telling you man..you say you aren't going to ride on the highway..never underestimate the power of the two wheels...

I'd love to find a gold wing, drop the ass end down, up sweep pipes and low rise handlebars...that motor is bulletproof.

Crashride
05-09-2009, 11:10 AM
I'm not advocating more power for vanity's sake. It is important with motorcycles to have enough power to avoid trouble. When you see trouble coming, you want to be able to get out of the way so you don't end up hurt. When some knucklehead decides he wants in your lane and doesn't bother looking, you want to be able to move quickly.

Both of those bikes are more than capable of avoiding this trouble.

RNR
05-09-2009, 11:17 AM
I have rode both, The 500 Vulcan is peppy for a small bike but way too light and gets pushed badly in a side wind. My buddy owns it and likes it but is a small guy and does not ride much. Another buddy of mine rides his dads Goldwing and I road it one time. It looks much like the one in your photo I do not know if it is the same year. It has decent acceleration and rides nice however the width of the pegs was uncomfortable. Given the choice I would buy the Goldwing.

Fire Me Boy!
05-09-2009, 11:41 AM
I'm not small - 5'10 and about 230 right now (though trying to lose weight). Wind is an issue around here as the breeze coming off the ocean can be fairly strong at times.

stevieray
05-09-2009, 11:41 AM
I'm not small - 5'10 and about 230 right now (though trying to lose weight). Wind is an issue around here as the breeze coming off the ocean can be fairly strong at times.

GW

Skip Towne
05-09-2009, 11:49 AM
Motorcycles are funny.......you ride them awhile and they ride you awhile.

stevieray
05-09-2009, 11:58 AM
Motorcycles are funny.......you ride them awhile and they ride you awhile.
definitely..you always have to be on your toes..

FMB, whatever you get..practicng doing figure 8's on both left and right hand turns..it will do wonders for your sense of balance and manueverability.

RNR
05-09-2009, 12:35 PM
I'm not small - 5'10 and about 230 right now (though trying to lose weight). Wind is an issue around here as the breeze coming off the ocean can be fairly strong at times.

I do not think you will enjoy the 500 for long. It is a very limited bike. If you are a beginer it is a good starter bike. I also read you do not plan on riding on highways well that is the biggest strike against the 500. I will tell you this you are much safer on the big slab than you will be in town. If stop light to stop light is the only type of riding you are going to do that 500 is all you need. Just be careful and ride like those around you can not see you because often they can not.

PastorMikH
05-09-2009, 01:54 PM
The Vulcan is too small IMO. If I were looking, I wouldn't consider a v-twin unless it was at least a 1500. I've ridden 1100-1200 v-twins and just wasn't that impressed with them.

I have a '76 wing. It is a bit bulky for a new rider, but I was able to pass the kansas motorcycle license test on mine the first time after a bit of practice. Though its a 1000cc, it is a 4 cylinder with plenty of go. It's also a lot smoother running than the v-twins. The big drawback to the wing is at it's age is dependability. It seems like there is usually something on my bike I can find to work on if I'm in the mood to tinker.

Friend of mine has a 1600 vulcan. We've swapped bikes a bit for rides. He rode my bike like his vulcan and never really was impressed. Being used to his 1600 twin, he doesn't get too deep into the throttle. One day I told him to quit babying it, wind up and let it go. He was surprised at how it came to life and had quite a bit of fun on it.

wild1
05-09-2009, 01:56 PM
I don't agree that you're going to outgrow the 500. Even if you did, it would be a year or two away, and you can flip a bike like that for no less than you paid and upgrade.

Find the MSF course in your area and take it, you'll get an insurance discount, you won't have to take the driving part of the test for your license, and it's a great investment in yourself.

phillip
05-09-2009, 02:15 PM
The Vulcan is too small IMO. If I were looking, I wouldn't consider a v-twin unless it was at least a 1500. I've ridden 1100-1200 v-twins and just wasn't that impressed with them.


I completely disagree here. I've had a Honda VTR1000 Superhawk, my buddy has a Honda RC51, and my dad just got a ducatti 1198.

Those are 996, 999, and 1198cc v-twins respectively. And they all have plenty of power.

Raised On Riots
05-09-2009, 02:39 PM
Know your local potholes like the back of your hand.

kcfanXIII
05-09-2009, 02:49 PM
i have a 700 virago, its a v-twin. it will do 80 down the highway no problem, even with the back loaded with camping gear. don't listen to these fools that say go big for your first bike, its not gonna hurt to ride a smaller bike to get the feel. i started on a 250, and sold it 8 months later for 200 more than what i paid, and took that money and bought my virago, that night.

PastorMikH
05-09-2009, 06:58 PM
I completely disagree here. I've had a Honda VTR1000 Superhawk, my buddy has a Honda RC51, and my dad just got a ducatti 1198.

Those are 996, 999, and 1198cc v-twins respectively. And they all have plenty of power.



You are talking about a completely different world of bikes here than a Kawasaki Vulcan is in. You are in the sport bike realm, I was coming from a cruiser bike realm. Two completely different beasts.

I've been on a Virago 1200, a couple of suzuki 1100s, and even a HD 1200. None had the punch or performance my wing has. However, the 1500cc and 1600cc cruisers I've been on have been much better at accelerating without feeling like they are working at it.

Fire Me Boy!
05-11-2009, 01:47 PM
The Goldwing's sold.

Know someone looking to get rid of a 2006 Honda Shadow 750 with only 1,400 miles.

wild1
05-11-2009, 01:55 PM
The Goldwing's sold.

Know someone looking to get rid of a 2006 Honda Shadow 750 with only 1,400 miles.

Shadows are very nice. This would definitely be the first choice of the three you are mentioning

Radar Chief
05-11-2009, 02:11 PM
The Kawasaki is a 6-speed with 33K miles - is that good for a cycle? Is this a good beginner's bike? I know nothing.

How did I miss this topic?
Anyway, yea that Kawasaki Vulcan 500 is basically the same motor as the EX 500, now I believe they call it the 500 Ninja. It’s a parallel twin that in the EX is a fairly peppy bike. I don’t know how well that translates to a cruiser but overall I’d say that’s not a bad choice for a first bike.

Radar Chief
05-11-2009, 02:23 PM
The Goldwing's sold.

Know someone looking to get rid of a 2006 Honda Shadow 750 with only 1,400 miles.

The Shadow 750 is going to have more low end torque than the Kawasaki you mentioned. In may ways it makes the Shadow an easier to ride bike.
Not a bad choice either.
Generally, I’m not a fan of cruisers for first bikes. They’re ok, but they can teach newb riders bad habits, like not learning to feel the front brake or learning what “counter steer” is and how to manipulate it.
You could do worse though, I have seen newb riders buy 1000cc fuel injected sport bikes as first bikes. They typically don’t ride for long either.

seclark
05-11-2009, 02:35 PM
Generally, I’m not a fan of cruisers for first bikes. They’re ok, but they can teach newb riders bad habits, like not learning to feel the front brake or learning what “counter steer” is and how to manipulate it.
You could do worse though, I have seen newb riders buy 1000cc fuel injected sport bikes as first bikes. They typically don’t ride for long either.

the counter steer came in handy for me saturday...sheesh. the wife wasn't impressed, but it beat the hell out of the other option.
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Fire Me Boy!
05-27-2009, 06:40 AM
So what's a good weight for a starter bike? I'm 5'10 and about 240 pounds right now (though I'm losing weight).

Radar Chief
05-27-2009, 07:04 AM
If weight is your only criteria get a dirt bike, or an “enduro”, “dual sport” or whatever they’re calling them now, for the street.
They can be a bit tough to learn on for those with a shorter inseam, but they’re light and torquey. Plus you can take one just about anywhere.
Maybe it’s a better question to ask yourself what kind of riding you see yourself doing mostly?

Radar Chief
05-27-2009, 07:10 AM
the counter steer came in handy for me saturday...sheesh. the wife wasn't impressed, but it beat the hell out of the other option.
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She’d have been less impressed with road rash, assuming that's the worst of the "other option". ;)

Fire Me Boy!
05-27-2009, 07:46 AM
If weight is your only criteria get a dirt bike, or an “enduro”, “dual sport” or whatever they’re calling them now, for the street.
They can be a bit tough to learn on for those with a shorter inseam, but they’re light and torquey. Plus you can take one just about anywhere.
Maybe it’s a better question to ask yourself what kind of riding you see yourself doing mostly?

Not the only criteria by any means... just curious what you all would suggest. The Spirit I'm looking at is about 500 pounds.

Radar Chief
05-27-2009, 07:49 AM
Not the only criteria by any means... just curious what you all would suggest. The Spirit I'm looking at is about 500 pounds.

That’s a pretty average bike weight. Sport bikes and dirt bikes will be lighter but most standards and small cruisers are right there.

Lzen
05-27-2009, 08:12 AM
I just joined the 2 wheel club last month. Here was my thread:
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?p=5672042#post5672042
Just became officially legal last week, btw. ;) I ended up buying a 2005 Honda Shadow Aero. I really liked the Spirit and found a couple but they were a little higher priced and didn't have accessories that I wanted. My Aero came with a windshield, sissy bar, and saddle bags. I ride it every day that I can to work and just cruise around town on short little trips. Those saddle bags come in handy. BTW, those run around $300. So, keep that in mind if you ever think you may need them. If you find a bike that already has them, it is a plus.

Lzen
05-27-2009, 08:16 AM
I don't have a pic of mine but here is one that looks like it. This is an 07 Shadow Aero (mine is 05) and mine is white and silver.

http://ksu.craigslist.org/mcy/1188226942.html

dtebbe
05-27-2009, 08:46 AM
Check out the Suzuki SV650. Old school simplicity and looks (if you go with the naked version) and new-age performance, weight, and reliability.

I buddy of mine has one, and it is a blast to ride:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/20/Sv650.jpg

About 70 hp, nice low seating position, real slim through the mid-section, and best of all under 400 pounds dry.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzuki_SV650S

DT

Fire Me Boy!
07-13-2009, 08:36 AM
Still looking for a cycle. Took a motorcycle safety course over the weekend and had an absolute blast.

Still considering the 2006 Shadow 750. Now looking at a '97 Kawasaki Vulcan 800 Classic. The Vulcan has 22K miles, and I think it's overpriced a bit at $3,200.

seclark
07-13-2009, 08:41 AM
Still looking for a cycle. Took a motorcycle safety course over the weekend and had an absolute blast.

Still considering the 2006 Shadow 750. Now looking at a '97 Kawasaki Vulcan 800 Classic. The Vulcan has 22K miles, and I think it's overpriced a bit at $3,200.

are you able to ride year round in sc?
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Fire Me Boy!
07-13-2009, 09:11 AM
are you able to ride year round in sc?
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Yes. At its coldest in the winter, it's about 30-40 degrees in the early morning. By mid-morning/afternoon, typically into the 50s.

ziggysocki
07-13-2009, 09:13 AM
I got a 1997 750 Honda Magna last summer and I love it. Plenty of power, looks great, comfortable for my size (5-10 190). Only downside is the range, only get about 90 miles per tank, not really an issue for me cause I generally ride less than 2 hours at a time. I would get another Honda in a second (actually would like to get a dual sport)!

seclark
07-13-2009, 09:13 AM
Yes. At its coldest in the winter, it's about 30-40 degrees in the early morning. By mid-morning/afternoon, typically into the 50s.

i was just going to say that bike prices should start dropping in a couple months around here. that's the weather though.
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Fire Me Boy!
07-13-2009, 09:32 AM
I'm wondering if it might be wise for me to spend less money on a smaller bike with plans to upgrade when I outgrow it. Spend less money knowing that at some point there's a decent chance I'll drop it or something. Seen some Honda Rebels (2008/2009 models, 250cc) for pretty damn cheap.

Lzen
07-13-2009, 09:43 AM
Still looking for a cycle. Took a motorcycle safety course over the weekend and had an absolute blast.

Still considering the 2006 Shadow 750. Now looking at a '97 Kawasaki Vulcan 800 Classic. The Vulcan has 22K miles, and I think it's overpriced a bit at $3,200.

How much do they want for the 06 Shadow 750? What does it have on it? Saddlebags, windshield, highway pegs, etc.?

I bought my 2005 Shadow with 8800 (if memory serves) miles for $4300. Vulcans are around the same price range. Seems to me that $3200 for a 12 year old bike with 22k on it is a little high. You should offer them less. Say "I'll give you $2500 today". They can either take it or leave it.

Lzen
07-13-2009, 09:46 AM
I'm wondering if it might be wise for me to spend less money on a smaller bike with plans to upgrade when I outgrow it. Spend less money knowing that at some point there's a decent chance I'll drop it or something. Seen some Honda Rebels (2008/2009 models, 250cc) for pretty damn cheap.

Yeah, those are 4k brand new. But they are small and not much power. How big are you? Does your wife plan to ride on it with you? Most people on here told me a Yamaha VStar 650 or something around that is a great size with which to start. Now that I have ridden mine for a few months, I agree with that.

Buehler445
07-13-2009, 09:47 AM
I'm wondering if it might be wise for me to spend less money on a smaller bike with plans to upgrade when I outgrow it. Spend less money knowing that at some point there's a decent chance I'll drop it or something. Seen some Honda Rebels (2008/2009 models, 250cc) for pretty damn cheap.

Please not that I know dixk about motorcycles, but I've heard insurance on starter bikes is high because everybody wrecks them. Since you aren't going the crotch rocket route, you should be OK, but I'd still check.
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wild1
07-13-2009, 09:51 AM
i dont know if i would go with a rebel. i advocate starting small because there's no way you can lose, but i saw one at my honda dealer the other day and it looked closer to a bicycle. taller riders i bet would hit the bars with their legs. my guess is that it can go 70 but it might be near its limits. i would put you on a vulcan 500 if I could. more highway capability and perfect for a learner.

wild1
07-13-2009, 09:52 AM
Please not that I know dixk about motorcycles, but I've heard insurance on starter bikes is high because everybody wrecks them. Since you aren't going the crotch rocket route, you should be OK, but I'd still check.
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insurance on all bikes other than the very expensive ones and sportbikes is cheap. insurance on a new honda rebel would be nothing.

Lzen
07-13-2009, 09:55 AM
Just thought I would post this if anyone in the area is interested. 2007 VStar 650 for $4750. Sounds like a really good deal to me.
http://topeka.craigslist.org/mcy/1265916906.html

Buehler445
07-13-2009, 09:55 AM
insurance on all bikes other than the very expensive ones and sportbikes is cheap. insurance on a new honda rebel would be nothing.

Makes sense. The guy I talked to was probably referring to sport bikes.
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Lzen
07-13-2009, 09:57 AM
FMB,
http://myrtlebeach.craigslist.org/mcy/1267259951.html

Lzen
07-13-2009, 09:58 AM
http://myrtlebeach.craigslist.org/mcy/1265973308.html

Fire Me Boy!
07-13-2009, 10:01 AM
How much do they want for the 06 Shadow 750? What does it have on it? Saddlebags, windshield, highway pegs, etc.?

I bought my 2005 Shadow with 8800 (if memory serves) miles for $4300. Vulcans are around the same price range. Seems to me that $3200 for a 12 year old bike with 22k on it is a little high. You should offer them less. Say "I'll give you $2500 today". They can either take it or leave it.

I figured on CL, I'd offer them $2K if I decided to go that route. I really like what I'm reading about it, and it's a beautiful looking bike. The Shadow has 1,400 miles, no windshield but does have saddlebags. Also helps that I know the owner.

Yeah, those are 4k brand new. But they are small and not much power. How big are you? Does your wife plan to ride on it with you? Most people on here told me a Yamaha VStar 650 or something around that is a great size with which to start. Now that I have ridden mine for a few months, I agree with that.

I'm 5-10 and about 230. Kinda figured the rebel would probably be a bit small. I know the power on it will be light, but primary use will be going to and from work, which tops out at 55 mph if I get on the bypass. Otherwise, tops out at 45.

Lzen
07-13-2009, 10:07 AM
I figured on CL, I'd offer them $2K if I decided to go that route. I really like what I'm reading about it, and it's a beautiful looking bike. The Shadow has 1,400 miles, no windshield but does have saddlebags. Also helps that I know the owner.

What are they wanting for the Shadow?

5-10 and about 230. Kinda figured the rebel would probably be a bit small. I know the power on it will be light, but primary use will be going to and from work, which tops out at 55 mph if I get on the bypass. Otherwise, tops out at 45.

Yeah, I would say that Rebel is definitely too small for you.

Lzen
07-13-2009, 10:09 AM
Lol, I just noticed this at the top of this thread.

Congratulations Lzen for breaking 25,000 posts! You clearly have too much time on your hands...

Clearly, I do have too much time on my hands. :D

Fire Me Boy!
07-13-2009, 10:24 AM
What are they wanting for the Shadow?

Yeah, I would say that Rebel is definitely too small for you.

She's wanting $4,500 for the Shadow. Might be able to get her down to $4K, but she's offering to work with me on getting it off her hands since she's a coworker, and someone did the same thing for her on her first bike. Difference is on a $2K bike I'd be able to pay outright. On something more expensive, I'd have to wait or work something out financially.

Was wondering about the 250cc. That's what I rode this weekend on the training range, and it felt pretty good, but we spent most of the weekend in 2nd gear, touched a little into 3rd, but never opened it up at all.

wild1
07-13-2009, 10:37 AM
250cc is more than enough to carry an adult of any size 55mph.

pr_capone
07-13-2009, 11:06 AM
250cc is more than enough to carry an adult of any size 55mph.

I have had a 250cc bike up to 116.

That said, I would never have one as my primary bike ever again. there simply is not enough power in that engine to get you out of a bad situation if needed.

wild1
07-13-2009, 11:11 AM
I have had a 250cc bike up to 116.

That said, I would never have one as my primary bike ever again. there simply is not enough power in that engine to get you out of a bad situation if needed.

there may have been situations in history where an engine's power saved someone and whacking the throttle was the best option to avoid that, but it's a one in a million situation. it's out of the same school where "i had to lay it down" comes from. it is something a person says to make them feel better about their performance in a situation but it's not true.

Dayze
07-13-2009, 11:36 AM
I just want to chime in real quick and tell you I think either bike you choose is a great choice for your first bike. I also want to thank you for being smart and deciding to make your first choice for a bike a good one. A lot of guys bite off more than they can chew and hurt themselves or others. Will you grow out of it? Sure. Get a new one after you have got all the noob out of your riding, and are a master of that bike. Which will take longer than you think.
As far as the bike, the goldwing is a little bit heavier. If your strong then you cant go wrong either choice. Personally I lean towards the vulcan. Ride safe sir.

This happened to me on Saturday night about 11pm on 435.
Dude just ‘came on over’ into my lane;
I usually ride with the bike in the power band for this reason; a simple twist of the throttle and I was by him in no time. He didn’t even see me until iwas past him.

This is also why I ride a bit more spirited in traffic – maybe 5-10 MPH faster than traffic (not rush hour mind you) so I don’t end up in some jacka** blindspot.

Lzen
07-13-2009, 11:50 AM
She's wanting $4,500 for the Shadow. Might be able to get her down to $4K, but she's offering to work with me on getting it off her hands since she's a coworker, and someone did the same thing for her on her first bike. Difference is on a $2K bike I'd be able to pay outright. On something more expensive, I'd have to wait or work something out financially.

Was wondering about the 250cc. That's what I rode this weekend on the training range, and it felt pretty good, but we spent most of the weekend in 2nd gear, touched a little into 3rd, but never opened it up at all.

That's a good price for a 2006 Shadow with only 1400 miles. BTW, saddlebags tend to add about $300 to the value.

The reason I say the Rebel is too small is A) the size is small (especially for a 230lb guy) and B) the get up and go won't be that great. If you plan to ride in traffic, that could be an issue.

pr_capone
07-13-2009, 12:47 PM
there may have been situations in history where an engine's power saved someone and whacking the throttle was the best option to avoid that, but it's a one in a million situation. it's out of the same school where "i had to lay it down" comes from. it is something a person says to make them feel better about their performance in a situation but it's not true.

see below

This happened to me on Saturday night about 11pm on 435.
Dude just ‘came on over’ into my lane;
I usually ride with the bike in the power band for this reason; a simple twist of the throttle and I was by him in no time. He didn’t even see me until iwas past him.


I have more than a few stories that sound the exact same.

Radar Chief
07-13-2009, 12:51 PM
I'm wondering if it might be wise for me to spend less money on a smaller bike with plans to upgrade when I outgrow it. Spend less money knowing that at some point there's a decent chance I'll drop it or something. Seen some Honda Rebels (2008/2009 models, 250cc) for pretty damn cheap.

That’s actually a decent plan and Rebels are good looking bikes.
One would be great for around town with a little bit of highway time sprinkled in here and there but don’t get one for traveling interstates. Maintaining the speeds necessary to keep up with traffic would be stressing that little 250cc motor.
Another one to consider, a Yamaha Virago 535, had a friend with one when I was stationed in Germany. Good little cruiser style bike that actually handled pretty well.

wild1
07-13-2009, 12:58 PM
see below



I have more than a few stories that sound the exact same.

common sense tells us that braking puts distance between you and a car going the same direction faster than accelerating does.

Radar Chief
07-13-2009, 01:00 PM
This happened to me on Saturday night about 11pm on 435.
Dude just ‘came on over’ into my lane;
I usually ride with the bike in the power band for this reason; a simple twist of the throttle and I was by him in no time. He didn’t even see me until iwas past him.

This is also why I ride a bit more spirited in traffic – maybe 5-10 MPH faster than traffic (not rush hour mind you) so I don’t end up in some jacka** blindspot.

Agreed. On a motorcycle your advantage is you have speed and agility over everything else around you. The best way to make use of that is to get out in front of people and be seen. Dicking around in someone’s blind spot is a good way to wind up eating curb.

ferrarispider95
07-13-2009, 01:02 PM
Here is what I am riding during the summer. Definitely not what you are looking for, but it is a blast.

It is drz400 and run in the low to mid 90s, plenty of power, and a blast to take off road.

The one shown has more street tires, I have 80/20 dual purpose tires for street/trail.

http://www.travelizmo.com/archives/suzuki-dr-z400sm-dirt-bike-2009.jpg

pr_capone
07-13-2009, 02:30 PM
common sense tells us that braking puts distance between you and a car going the same direction faster than accelerating does.

A car can break faster than a car can and be WAY more stable. They cannot, generally speaking, keep up with the acceleration of a bike.

When in trouble on the road, it is preferable to wick the throttle to get past any danger as opposed to stomp on the break in a panic and run the risk of braking too hard with your back break and having the rear tire come around on you or having the car break with you and still come in your lane.

wild1
07-13-2009, 02:33 PM
A car can break faster than a [bike] can and be WAY more stable.

:spock:

andoman
07-13-2009, 02:44 PM
I am also in the market for a starter bike. My rides would be mostly to work to save gas, about 9 miles each way. Mostly two lane @ 45MPH, a little bit of city traffic the last two miles. I'm 5'7" and 150lbs. I was also considering a Honda Rebel 250 ... you can find them pretty cheap and they haven't changed much in decades. Think that would keep me happy for a year or two?

Radar Chief
07-13-2009, 02:51 PM
I am also in the market for a starter bike. My rides would be mostly to work to save gas, about 9 miles each way. Mostly two lane @ 45MPH, a little bit of city traffic the last two miles. I'm 5'7" and 150lbs. I was also considering a Honda Rebel 250 ... you can find them pretty cheap and they haven't changed much in decades. Think that would keep me happy for a year or two?

Sure, that sounds like what a Rebel would be good for.

pr_capone
07-13-2009, 02:51 PM
:spock:

You see... a car is held off the ground by 4 wheels which makes braking a MUCH easier thing to do than it is on 2 wheels.

The 4 wheels won't come out from under you unlike 2 wheels tend to do when you jam on the brakes.

Radar Chief
07-13-2009, 02:54 PM
:spock:

Yea, Mr. Pr_Capone did kind of butcher that one.
What he means is that the average car can brake, not break, down to a stop from any given speed in a shorter distance than the average motorcycle. And he is correct, because they have more contact patches, tires, to transmit the braking forces to the ground.

wild1
07-13-2009, 02:58 PM
it would have to be a very cheap bike for it to be a money saver in the end. do all the math.

if saving money is your goal then instead of spending $4000 on a honda rebel you should look for an older japanese bike. you could find a clean honda bike from the late 80s/early 90s that runs fine (those motors will outlive you) for 2 grand or so. pay cash, liability insurance only, etc. if you're gonna save money, save money.

wild1
07-13-2009, 03:03 PM
You can get a used Rebel off Craigslist for around $1300.

Very low price... how "used" is that?

pr_capone
07-13-2009, 03:04 PM
Yea, Mr. Pr_Capone did kind of butcher that one.
What he means is that the average car can brake, not break, down to a stop from any given speed in a shorter distance than the average motorcycle. And he is correct, because they have more contact patches, tires, to transmit the braking forces to the ground.

lol.... sorry. working and typed it quickly and failed to proof read. :D

wild1
07-13-2009, 03:15 PM
I was looking at them last year but never bought one. Test road a 1985 or so with less than 5,000 miles. I offered the guy $1000 cause it had a dent in the tank and could have used a new rear tire. He was firm at the $1300 so I walked away.

ah... 25 years old. :)

in this area m/c do not drop much below $2,000 unless they are quite old or have some issues. that seems to be the basement price for basic transportation.

i was thinking a 250cc 5 or 10 years old which would command about 3 grand here. it will have had more riders than space mountain but will hold value through them unless it gets wrecked.

wild1
07-13-2009, 03:16 PM
I bought this one for $500 and sold it for $1,000 after fixing it up and getting my motorcycle license on it. It was a 1972.

that a CB500?

googlegoogle
07-13-2009, 05:29 PM
Here is what I am riding during the summer. Definitely not what you are looking for, but it is a blast.

It is drz400 and run in the low to mid 90s, plenty of power, and a blast to take off road.

The one shown has more street tires, I have 80/20 dual purpose tires for street/trail.

http://www.travelizmo.com/archives/suzuki-dr-z400sm-dirt-bike-2009.jpg

very nice

googlegoogle
07-13-2009, 05:30 PM
I love the classic vintage bikes. Japanese bikes = blah.

http://www.roncobb.com/Graphics/BSA-30-4-5-LOGO.JPG

wild1
07-13-2009, 05:56 PM
Yea, Mr. Pr_Capone did kind of butcher that one.
What he means is that the average car can brake, not break, down to a stop from any given speed in a shorter distance than the average motorcycle. And he is correct, because they have more contact patches, tires, to transmit the braking forces to the ground.

not really relevant to that situation, though... the other car isn't braking. and it's not as if you'd drop anchor and completely stop, you just drop behind their rear bumper. that was what i was saying.

Kyle DeLexus
07-13-2009, 06:07 PM
not really relevant to that situation, though... the other car isn't braking. and it's not as if you'd drop anchor and completely stop, you just drop behind their rear bumper. that was what i was saying.

If the car sees you all of a sudden and is pulling into that lane they might hit the brakes. Why wouldn't they just get back in their lane? There are a lot of female drivers out there.

wild1
07-13-2009, 06:18 PM
If the car sees you all of a sudden and is pulling into that lane they might hit the brakes. Why wouldn't they just get back in their lane? There are a lot of female drivers out there.

never seen that reaction. it seems the 99.999 reaction is to jerk the wheel away, back into the lane theycame from.

Lzen
07-13-2009, 06:36 PM
Yea, Mr. Pr_Capone did kind of butcher that one.
What he means is that the average car can brake, not break, down to a stop from any given speed in a shorter distance than the average motorcycle. And he is correct, because they have more contact patches, tires, to transmit the braking forces to the ground.

OK. But what about the extra force created by the larger mass? Not questioning your knowledge. Just clarifying. I know the driver manual says that a bike takes the same time to stop. Not more. Not less.

pr_capone
07-13-2009, 07:15 PM
OK. But what about the extra force created by the larger mass? Not questioning your knowledge. Just clarifying. I know the driver manual says that a bike takes the same time to stop. Not more. Not less.

Its not a matter of more or less mass nor is it an issue of how fast either can stop... it's a matter of panicking and hitting the brakes too hard which will cause the rider to more than likely eat some gravel.

In a car you can stomp on the brakes and you don't have to worry about the car tipping over, high centering, or even having the back end come around on you (for the most part). On a motorcycle its extremely easy to do any of those things which is why it is important for the rider to be able to accelerate past an obstacle as opposed to braking.

wild1
07-13-2009, 07:19 PM
OK. But what about the extra force created by the larger mass? Not questioning your knowledge. Just clarifying. I know the driver manual says that a bike takes the same time to stop. Not more. Not less.

they are all different. some bikes still have drum brakes in the rear. some only have single discs in the front. there are even a few people riding choppers with no front brake because it obscures the aesthetics by hiding the rim. my daily on the other hand will stop faster than you ever want to stop.

but the argument that you might skid or you might endover, IMO, is spurious. you shouldn't avoid braking because you might brake improperly, you should learn to brake properly.

pr_capone
07-13-2009, 07:22 PM
they are all different. some bikes still have drum brakes in the rear. some only have single discs in the front. there are even a few people riding choppers with no front brake because it obscures the aesthetics by hiding the rim. my daily on the other hand will stop faster than you ever want to stop.

but the argument that you might skid or you might endover, IMO, is spurious. you shouldn't avoid braking because you might brake improperly, you should learn to brake properly.

I never said that you should avoid breaking. If I had not learned the value of proper breaking I would probably have not have managed to live through the first 2 years of riding.

I am saying that having enough power to accelerate out of a bad position is extremely valuable and is not something I would ever again do without.

wild1
07-13-2009, 07:23 PM
having enough power to accelerate out of a bad position is extremely valuable and is not something I would ever again do without.

So you sold the Harley? :Poke:

pr_capone
07-13-2009, 07:25 PM
So you sold the Harley? :Poke:

Bastard. :clap: lol

My Sporty will out run 90% of all stock cruisers (light to light). I've yet to take it out on a track though it is something I might be doing in the next few months.

andoman
07-13-2009, 07:38 PM
I've been watching Rebels on eBay for a couple of weeks now. Saw a 2004 with over 40K go for $900, saw a 2008 with less than 1K go for just over $2,000 (probably should have jumped on that one, but I'm not quite ready to buy yet). Yesterday I came across these two for sale at a nearby gas station. a 1987 and 2004, both with under 20K miles, $1,500/each.

andoman
07-13-2009, 07:43 PM
Twenty minutes left on this auction (Reserve not met)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220448449768&viewitem=&sspagename=ADME%3AB%3AWNA%3AUS%3A1123

pr_capone
07-13-2009, 08:31 PM
Not to be a dick but you should be able to get a sportster for $3500. Over that is asking more than blue book and every asshole thinks their bike is worth 10 grand. Sorry, I shop bike's all the time. Brother in law just sold is 750 Virago for $1200. Bought a wrecked Shadow for $800, I welded the gas tank and now it's going to paint. Should be worth around $3500 when done.

What the hell are you on about?

A. I'm not selling my sporty
B. Can you get a 1957 Sporty for $3500? How about a 2004? If so, let me know where so I can stock up.

pr_capone
07-13-2009, 09:12 PM
I typed out a reply and apparently I took to long. If you want to get in a pissing contest we can take this offline.

What the fuck are you talking about?

What pissing match?

Have I insulted you because I said that my bike is faster light to light than most cruisers?

pr_capone
07-13-2009, 09:15 PM
Huh? you called me out? and I thought I was drunk....

When did I call you out? I didn't call you out. LOL

Why are you pissed?

LMFAO

wild1
07-13-2009, 09:44 PM
I don't understand "you can get a sportster for 3500" is like saying "you can get a ford pickup for 3500". well what year? what condition?

wild1
07-13-2009, 09:44 PM
Nevermind. You guys are drunk.

pr_capone
07-13-2009, 09:49 PM
Nevermind. You guys are drunk.

I'm not drunk... just confused.

Shit.. if he has a line on a 57 for 3500 I'm all about it!

Fire Me Boy!
07-14-2009, 08:38 AM
Budget just got tighter... found out the wife isn't likely headed to basic until February.

Found a 2002 Honda Rebel, 1488 miles (woman rider), selling for $1600 on CL. Should be able to get less than that.

Brock
07-14-2009, 08:42 AM
A sportster for 3500 is probably going to need some wrenching.

Brock
07-14-2009, 08:43 AM
Budget just got tighter... found out the wife isn't likely headed to basic until February.

Found a 2002 Honda Rebel, 1488 miles (woman rider), selling for $1600 on CL. Should be able to get less than that.

IIRC, that's a 250 cc street bike. You'll just have to ride it and see if it has enough pickup for you.

Fire Me Boy!
07-14-2009, 08:55 AM
NADA

Low Retail $ 1,230

Average Retail $ 1,480

KBB

Average Retail $ 2,045

Trade In Value $ 1,355

Thanks, that's helpful! Figured she was overpriced, and now I can go to her and give number to bring the price down. Trying to test it this afternoon and run it by a mechanic.

Fire Me Boy!
07-14-2009, 08:57 AM
It should be fine around town but I'm not sure you would want to do much highway riding.

I rode a Honda Nighthawk (250cc) at the safety course this weekend. I know if I buy this that I'll upgrade in a year or so, but right now I need something to get me around town. Light highway riding (7-10 miles) with a top speed limit of 55 mph. If I ride home by the ocean, speed limit never gets over 45.

wild1
07-14-2009, 09:43 AM
I rode a Honda Nighthawk (250cc) at the safety course this weekend. I know if I buy this that I'll upgrade in a year or so, but right now I need something to get me around town. Light highway riding (7-10 miles) with a top speed limit of 55 mph. If I ride home by the ocean, speed limit never gets over 45.

Nighthawk and the Rebel have the same engine, so you pretty well know what you are getting.

wild1
07-14-2009, 09:45 AM
Be careful, I road from Blue Springs to Raytown to take my motorcycle test. I pulled up to a red light at 63rd street and Raytown road. A lady in a mini van in the right lane had to get in front of me so she takes off, pulls in my lane and slams on the breaks in all of about 30 feet to make a left hand turn into the parking lot. Not only did she damn near side swipe me but I almost ate her back bumper. It shook me up but I still passed my test. It also made me think about how dangerous motorcycles really are just because of the idiots in cars that dont give a shit.

They are all listening to their cranked radio, talking on the phone, smoking, eating, slapping their kids, texting and watching a DVD at the same time. Plus anymore there are so many short women driving these big SUVs that they can barely see out of. You can never think that any car sees you... just give yourself a wide berth whenever you can (not that you could have here)

Fire Me Boy!
07-14-2009, 11:38 AM
Going to look at a Vulcan 900 Classic this afternoon. The Kawasaki dealer has some great financing options right now.

wild1
07-14-2009, 11:54 AM
would be a good choice. like the vulcans.

Fire Me Boy!
07-14-2009, 11:58 AM
would be a good choice. like the vulcans.

Absolutely LOVE the way they look. More than I wanted to spend, but could afford the payments until the wife goes to basic and we start getting the housing allowance to pay for the bike outright.

Fire Me Boy!
07-14-2009, 12:08 PM
Thats a hell of a jump from a rebel.

I know. I'm all over the place with wants right now. Thinking inexpensive, so smaller. Thinking bigger and better with financing until we can pay it off (early next 2010).

The Vulcan isn't a lot different from the Shadow Spirit I was originally looking at. A little bigger, and a rumbling cruiser, which I really like. Spending a lot of time looking at available stuff on CL that I can afford to pay off now, and looking at options on the showroom that aren't TOO expensive that I could make payments on until I could pay off in a few months.

Fire Me Boy!
07-14-2009, 12:09 PM
The 900 is a bit more motor than I really wanted, but I like the Vulcan 900 Classic better than the Vulcan 500... not sure. Decisions, decisions. Hell, I may sit on one and not like it at all.

wild1
07-14-2009, 12:18 PM
knew a friend who had a Vulcan and loved the hell out of it.

Cool name. Vulcan was the Hellenic god of fire and metallurgy

DenverDanChiefsFan
07-14-2009, 12:23 PM
that a CB500?I bought an '81 CB900 Custom last year. Great bike to get me to and from work since it came with all the luggage (two side bags and a trunk). Most of my drive is highway - 65-75 mph. Mileage isn't quite what I would like since it is only a 5 speed (actuall 10 - with the high/low gear it also has) but now 6th gear for highway cruising.

Radar Chief
07-14-2009, 12:29 PM
OK. But what about the extra force created by the larger mass? Not questioning your knowledge. Just clarifying. I know the driver manual says that a bike takes the same time to stop. Not more. Not less.

It is because I said so Motherfucker!
No, sorry, just kidding. And channeling Sam. ;)
Not that long ago the same thing couldn’t be said and the average bike would out brake the average car. But since the ‘80’s cars have become smaller, lighter and predominantly equipped with power assisted four wheel disk brakes with ABS control. Particularly on loose road surfaces the control of ABS makes a big difference.
You also have to consider ability and it takes someone with a lot of experience that has learned to “feel” the brakes to get the best braking performance out of a motorcycle while even a novice driver can slam on their cars brakes and achieve consistently short braking distances because of ABS.

Radar Chief
07-14-2009, 12:34 PM
The 900 is a bit more motor than I really wanted, but I like the Vulcan 900 Classic better than the Vulcan 500... not sure. Decisions, decisions. Hell, I may sit on one and not like it at all.

Just consider the weight of that bike. Big cruisers get heavy fast, hence the term “lead sled”.

Fire Me Boy!
07-14-2009, 12:36 PM
Just consider the weight of that bike. Big cruisers get heavy fast, hence the term “lead sled”.

I know. The Vulcan 900 is a "middlewieght cruiser" I think... with all fluids it ought to be around 600 pounds. Definitely will need to sit on one, lean it a little and get some feel for it. Might try to find one on CL to take out for a ride to get a feel.

Radar Chief
07-14-2009, 12:38 PM
I bought an '81 CB900 Custom last year. Great bike to get me to and from work since it came with all the luggage (two side bags and a trunk). Most of my drive is highway - 65-75 mph. Mileage isn't quite what I would like since it is only a 5 speed (actuall 10 - with the high/low gear it also has) but now 6th gear for highway cruising.

You can change your gearing by shuffling sprockets around.
Try getting a front sprocket with 1 more tooth on it, yours probably has a 13 or 14 tooth sprocket. To compensate you would have to get a slightly longer chain or you could also get a rear sprocket with 1 or 2 fewer teeth than your rear one currently has.
You will loose acceleration but swapping gears around can get your engine speed, RPM’s, where you want it at a given vehicle speed, MPH.

andoman
07-14-2009, 03:05 PM
FMB, if you take a road test on a Rebel let me know how it goes?

Fire Me Boy!
07-14-2009, 07:53 PM
FMB, if you take a road test on a Rebel let me know how it goes?

Should be riding one tomorrow or Thursday.

Lzen
07-14-2009, 10:05 PM
I took my test on my Honda Shadow. Trying to navigate that thing through staggered cones spaced 10 feet apart was a bitch. Took me 2 times to pass the test.

rockymtnchief
07-14-2009, 10:17 PM
I took my test on my Honda Shadow. Trying to navigate that thing through staggered cones spaced 10 feet apart was a bitch. Took me 2 times to pass the test.
I saw a 100 lbs. woman do that on a raked out Harley when I took my test. There was no way I could do it on that bike at that time. I wanted to go tell her I was impressed, but her 6'6" 300 lbs husband looked kinda pissed to be up so early in the morning.

Fire Me Boy!
07-15-2009, 07:46 AM
I took my test on my Honda Shadow. Trying to navigate that thing through staggered cones spaced 10 feet apart was a bitch. Took me 2 times to pass the test.

That actually is a bit of my concern, getting a bigger bike. I know I'll get used to it, but all I've ridden is the 250cc Nighthawk. Little bit of nerves until I at least ride something bigger, you know?

morphius
07-15-2009, 07:57 AM
Have you looked at the motorcycle safety classes, in a lot of states if you pass the class they give you a certificate which you can take in and get your license without having to take the test. Plus, its just a damn good idea to take the class anyway.

Fire Me Boy!
07-15-2009, 08:01 AM
Have you looked at the motorcycle safety classes, in a lot of states if you pass the class they give you a certificate which you can take in and get your license without having to take the test. Plus, its just a damn good idea to take the class anyway.

Took one last weekend. rules changed and they didn't bother to tell anyone that if we had our permits we could get a license test waiver.
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wild1
07-15-2009, 08:21 AM
a dual purpose bike is perfect for the test if you can find one to borrow.

Fire Me Boy!
07-15-2009, 08:28 AM
a dual purpose bike is perfect for the test if you can find one to borrow.

I've got my permit already. Have been debating about getting a bike and riding it for a while, then taking the intermediate safety course, which also has a waiver. Would give me some of that skills experience on my actual bike, rather than the 250cc bikes they make you ride in the basic class.

Brock
07-15-2009, 08:31 AM
They make those tests ridiculously hard. It's why half the people you see riding motorcycles don't actually have a license.

Fire Me Boy!
07-15-2009, 08:34 AM
They make those tests ridiculously hard. It's why half the people you see riding motorcycles don't actually have a license.

The MSF test I took this weekend is harder than the DMV test for SC, and I was "excellent" in all categories. I didn't find it very hard at all.

Brock
07-15-2009, 08:37 AM
The MSF test I took this weekend is harder than the DMV test for SC, and I was "excellent" in all categories. I didn't find it very hard at all.

You would if you took it on a Road King.

Fire Me Boy!
07-15-2009, 08:41 AM
You would if you took it on a Road King.

That's probably very true.

Radar Chief
07-15-2009, 08:48 AM
I say take the test on what you ride.

You would if you took it on a Road King.

Within reason, of course.

Brock
07-15-2009, 08:51 AM
I say take the test on what you ride.



Within reason, of course.

Well, that's just it. The test should be passable on a touring bike and for 90 percent of the people, it isn't. So they don't bother getting a license.

ziggysocki
07-15-2009, 09:03 AM
The smaller the bike, the easier the road test. My advice: borrow a small bike, take the test, then ride your bike in mostly 'comfortable' situations (daytime only, light traffic, dry roads...etc.) for a few months before thinking you are some kind of pro. My friend is an X-ray tech and he told me that most of the cycle rider he works are a car's fault with an inexperienced rider on the bike. I believe it.

Fire Me Boy!
07-15-2009, 09:10 AM
The smaller the bike, the easier the road test. My advice: borrow a small bike, take the test, then ride your bike in mostly 'comfortable' situations (daytime only, light traffic, dry roads...etc.) for a few months before thinking you are some kind of pro. My friend is an X-ray tech and he told me that most of the cycle rider he works are a car's fault with an inexperienced rider on the bike. I believe it.

I'd planned to keep my permit for a while, which means I can't legally ride at night or with a passenger. That's something I'll follow, for sure.

wild1
07-15-2009, 09:14 AM
I don't understand why the license test should be this low speed maneuvering stuff. Licensing riders is supposed to be to ensure competence on the roadways and safety to others who are out there, not some kind of test of whether you will drop your bike in a parking lot.

wild1
07-15-2009, 09:16 AM
The smaller the bike, the easier the road test. My advice: borrow a small bike, take the test, then ride your bike in mostly 'comfortable' situations (daytime only, light traffic, dry roads...etc.) for a few months before thinking you are some kind of pro. My friend is an X-ray tech and he told me that most of the cycle rider he works are a car's fault with an inexperienced rider on the bike. I believe it.

if you took out all the unlicensed/untrained riders, and all those riders who had more than 0 drinks before they headed out, and all those with no helmet i bet you'd have half the number of injuries that you do

rockymtnchief
07-15-2009, 09:25 AM
I don't understand why the license test should be this low speed maneuvering stuff.
How many times have you seen a guy at a stop light take off and leave his feet on the ground for a half block? It bugs the hell out of me. A test like that should cure them. Of course, if someone is on a Road King or Gold Wing I don't complain.

But you also make a valid point. The test should have a COUNTER-steering test instead of a putt-putt steering test.

Fire Me Boy!
07-15-2009, 09:26 AM
How many times have you seen a guy at a stop light take off and leave his feet on the ground for a half block? It bugs the hell out of me. A test like that should cure them. Of course, if someone is on a Road King or Gold Wing I don't complain.

But you also make a valid point. The test should have a COUNTER-steering test instead of a putt-putt steering test.

My course this weekend actually had quite a bit on counter-steering. Nothing terribly fast (third gear), but it was there.

rockymtnchief
07-15-2009, 09:31 AM
My course this weekend actually had quite a bit on counter-steering. Nothing terribly fast (third gear), but it was there.

Usually, the license test doesn't include it. That's why so many on here suggest taking an advanced course. You'll be twice the rider.

wild1
07-15-2009, 09:32 AM
How many times have you seen a guy at a stop light take off and leave his feet on the ground for a half block? It bugs the hell out of me. A test like that should cure them. Of course, if someone is on a Road King or Gold Wing I don't complain.

But you also make a valid point. The test should have a COUNTER-steering test instead of a putt-putt steering test.

i know those guys are always leaving their legs dangling, cornering at 15mph, riding in groups a foot apart at 55mph on the freeway, putting their feet down in parking lots. so what, i could care less as long as they are not crashing into me.

Radar Chief
07-15-2009, 10:10 AM
Well, that's just it. The test should be passable on a touring bike and for 90 percent of the people, it isn't. So they don't bother getting a license.

I agree, I just don’t think the test should be dumbed down for the guys that have to take it on a bigger bike either.
I also agree that many guys don’t bother getting a license but I think that’s as much because of enforcement as the difficulty of the test. Most cops don’t even know to look for the motorcycle license when they pull a motorcycle over.

Radar Chief
07-15-2009, 10:12 AM
My course this weekend actually had quite a bit on counter-steering. Nothing terribly fast (third gear), but it was there.

That’s good.
Knowing exactly how to handle your sled will improve your enjoyment of it.
You’d be surprised how many guys have ridden bikes for years and don’t know what counter steer is or how to manipulate it.

ziggysocki
07-15-2009, 10:13 AM
FMB, You are better off as a rider, especially a first time rider, by taking the advanced course rather than the DMV test. If it is readily available where you are located, that is the way to go.

Fire Me Boy!
07-15-2009, 12:04 PM
FMB, You are better off as a rider, especially a first time rider, by taking the advanced course rather than the DMV test. If it is readily available where you are located, that is the way to go.

Yeah, I know. The intermediate course is the same as the basic course except you use your own bike.

On another (bragging) note, the course instructors made a point in class to say that I was the best in the class. :D One of the instructors pulled me aside after class was over and said I should get a few years experience, take the upper classes, and come back and help teach. That was nice to hear.

seclark
07-15-2009, 12:12 PM
Yeah, I know. The intermediate course is the same as the basic course except you use your own bike.

On another (bragging) note, the course instructors made a point in class to say that I was the best in the class. :D One of the instructors pulled me aside after class was over and said I should get a few years experience, take the upper classes, and come back and help teach. That was nice to hear.

i remember when i took the class there was this kid(18-19) in there that wouldn't shut his yap...always trying to be funny, or show how much he knew about bikes/riding.
the 2nd day we were all out on the course doing figure 8s, and he laid the 250 over on it's side and shit his pants. he duck-walked around all afternoon w/a big old wet splotch on the back of his pants.
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pr_capone
07-15-2009, 12:15 PM
i remember when i took the class there was this kid(18-19) in there that wouldn't shut his yap...always trying to be funny, or show how much he knew about bikes/riding.
the 2nd day we were all out on the course doing figure 8s, and he laid the 250 over on it's side and shit his pants. he duck-walked around all afternoon w/a big old wet splotch on the back of his pants.
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I am used to hearing "shit his pants" as a saying... He actually shit himself???

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

DenverDanChiefsFan
07-15-2009, 12:17 PM
You can change your gearing by shuffling sprockets around.
Try getting a front sprocket with 1 more tooth on it, yours probably has a 13 or 14 tooth sprocket. To compensate you would have to get a slightly longer chain or you could also get a rear sprocket with 1 or 2 fewer teeth than your rear one currently has.
You will loose acceleration but swapping gears around can get your engine speed, RPM’s, where you want it at a given vehicle speed, MPH.It's a shaft drive. On one of the Honda forums they said one of the Mid 80's transmisisons went to 6 speed and fits - I am just not much of a mechanic.

seclark
07-15-2009, 12:19 PM
I am used to hearing "shit his pants" as a saying... He actually shit himself???

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

he actually did. there were two women taking the class that bagged on him so much i almost felt sorry for him. the instuctors got kind of pissed and called for a 10 minute smoke break to give him time to go wipe, i guess.
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rockymtnchief
07-15-2009, 12:23 PM
he actually did. there were two women taking the class that bagged on him so much i almost felt sorry for him. the instuctors got kind of pissed and called for a 10 minute smoke break to give him time to go wipe, i guess.
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I think I would've just gone home for the day.ROFL

wild1
07-15-2009, 12:26 PM
i remember when i took the class there was this kid(18-19) in there that wouldn't shut his yap...always trying to be funny, or show how much he knew about bikes/riding.
the 2nd day we were all out on the course doing figure 8s, and he laid the 250 over on it's side and shit his pants. he duck-walked around all afternoon w/a big old wet splotch on the back of his pants.
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I took a class with a friend year before last. I did it years ago for myself but it's cheap here so, why not. There was a guy there who said he had bought some super ultra HD a month or two ago, and he thought he would get his license. He was all over the course, couldn't turn, couldn't go straight, braking was crazy... He must have had the bike down 3 times the first day. He dropped doing the figure 8 on the test day too. I felt sorry for that expensive bike he allegedly had in his garage, the way he was dribbling this virago

seclark
07-15-2009, 12:26 PM
I think I would've just gone home for the day.ROFL

me too...at the end of the 3rd day everyone was calling him "easy rider poopypants".
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Radar Chief
07-15-2009, 12:30 PM
i remember when i took the class there was this kid(18-19) in there that wouldn't shut his yap...always trying to be funny, or show how much he knew about bikes/riding.
the 2nd day we were all out on the course doing figure 8s, and he laid the 250 over on it's side and shit his pants. he duck-walked around all afternoon w/a big old wet splotch on the back of his pants.
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Nasty!

Radar Chief
07-15-2009, 12:37 PM
It's a shaft drive. On one of the Honda forums they said one of the Mid 80's transmisisons went to 6 speed and fits - I am just not much of a mechanic.

Ah, sorry. With a two speed transaxle I should’ve guessed it was shaft drive.

googlegoogle
07-15-2009, 02:16 PM
http://www.joesignshop.com/vintage%20motorcycle%20bbq%20005.jpg

googlegoogle
07-15-2009, 02:18 PM
http://www.joesignshop.com/parilla.jpg

Lzen
07-15-2009, 02:22 PM
That actually is a bit of my concern, getting a bigger bike. I know I'll get used to it, but all I've ridden is the 250cc Nighthawk. Little bit of nerves until I at least ride something bigger, you know?

I had practiced riding it around town for about a month before I actually went in to take the test. Riding around town is no problem. That test is made for smaller bikes, I tell ya. I would recommend taking it with a small bike if you can.

Lzen
07-15-2009, 02:25 PM
They make those tests ridiculously hard. It's why half the people you see riding motorcycles don't actually have a license.

True that. When I started asking around all the people I knew that have had motorcycles, I discovered that just about every single one of them drove around with no license. ROFL
I had a hard time trying to figure out when the heck I am ever gonna need the kind of skill it takes to go around those cones. When will I ever need that in the real world?

Lzen
07-15-2009, 02:35 PM
I don't understand why the license test should be this low speed maneuvering stuff. Licensing riders is supposed to be to ensure competence on the roadways and safety to others who are out there, not some kind of test of whether you will drop your bike in a parking lot.

Agreed.

if you took out all the unlicensed/untrained riders, and all those riders who had more than 0 drinks before they headed out, and all those with no helmet i bet you'd have half the number of injuries that you do

Very good post. Last month there was a story in the paper about motorcycle accidents. I believe that most of them were operator error (one drove into a wall, another off the road with no other traffic around).

I agree, I just don’t think the test should be dumbed down for the guys that have to take it on a bigger bike either.
I also agree that many guys don’t bother getting a license but I think that’s as much because of enforcement as the difficulty of the test. Most cops don’t even know to look for the motorcycle license when they pull a motorcycle over.
My buddy told me that he drove his bike around Kansas for 10 years and never once got pulled over. Said the cops pretty much ignore bikes.

i remember when i took the class there was this kid(18-19) in there that wouldn't shut his yap...always trying to be funny, or show how much he knew about bikes/riding.
the 2nd day we were all out on the course doing figure 8s, and he laid the 250 over on it's side and shit his pants. he duck-walked around all afternoon w/a big old wet splotch on the back of his pants.
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Ewww. That is hilarious and gross at the same time.

he actually did. there were two women taking the class that bagged on him so much i almost felt sorry for him. the instuctors got kind of pissed and called for a 10 minute smoke break to give him time to go wipe, i guess.
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Yeah, the instructors should be pissed. Who do you think had to clean that bike afterwards?

wild1
07-15-2009, 02:54 PM
Very good post. Last month there was a story in the paper about motorcycle accidents. I believe that most of them were operator error (one drove into a wall, another off the road with no other traffic around).

if you read those studies the most common is the motorcycle runs off the road due to rider error. next most common, a left turning car pulls out in front of the bike.

i saw another with some expert and average riders where they gradually got them drunk and ran them around a test course. they found that their performance decreased measurably after even one or two beers. a lot of people think that they ride better after a low to moderate amount of drinking :rolleyes:


My buddy told me that he drove his bike around Kansas for 10 years and never once got pulled over. Said the cops pretty much ignore bikes.

some bikes when they see you they are just looking for a reason. I think they are likely ignore cruisers for normal traffic stuff, but more likely to scrutinize cruisers other times. (bar closing time)

ziggysocki
07-15-2009, 03:12 PM
some bikes when they see you they are just looking for a reason. I think they are likely ignore cruisers for normal traffic stuff, but more likely to scrutinize cruisers other times. (bar closing time)

When I see a motorcycle at closing time I think... That poor bastard's family

Fire Me Boy!
07-16-2009, 10:19 AM
I rode the Honda Shadow yesterday, but the money end isn't going to work out between us. The owner is a coworker and she'd offered to work with me on paying for it (some now, some later), but she needs more than I have to pay off the note on it. Bummer. Was a great ride, and I really liked the bike.

Couple days ago went and played around with a 2009 Vulcan 900.... that's a sweet bike. Wish I could talk myself into spending $8K on a motorcycle, but I can't. Not for a first bike. Might consider one of the new Vulcan 500s.

Supposed to go take a look at a little Rebel this weekend. We'll see how that goes.

Dayze
07-16-2009, 11:16 AM
I rode the Honda Shadow yesterday, but the money end isn't going to work out between us. The owner is a coworker and she'd offered to work with me on paying for it (some now, some later), but she needs more than I have to pay off the note on it. Bummer. Was a great ride, and I really liked the bike.

Couple days ago went and played around with a 2009 Vulcan 900.... that's a sweet bike. Wish I could talk myself into spending $8K on a motorcycle, but I can't. Not for a first bike. Might consider one of the new Vulcan 500s.

Supposed to go take a look at a little Rebel this weekend. We'll see how that goes.

Maybe look at V-star 650s

I bought a 2003 650 Custom for $3200 in 2005 w/ 47 miles on it; sold it last year for $3200 w 5k miles

Great bike. Zero issues.
Other than being a little short in 5th gear at 70-80-mpg; needs a taller 5th gear or 6th. I’m 6’ 230 and it hauled me around just fine.

Maybe look at those?
Heck of a lot cheaper; good bike; smaller; good to learn on/improve on etc. for not a lot of $$$.

wild1
07-16-2009, 11:18 AM
V-star 650 is a great choice

Fire Me Boy!
07-17-2009, 05:00 PM
FMB, if you take a road test on a Rebel let me know how it goes?

Just got home from road testing the Rebel... it's a last resort. If you're taller than about 5-7 I'd recommend against it. It's really small, smaller than the Nighthawk. Runs well, and has decent pickup, it's just physically small.

andoman
07-17-2009, 09:39 PM
Just got home from road testing the Rebel... it's a last resort. If you're taller than about 5-7 I'd recommend against it. It's really small, smaller than the Nighthawk. Runs well, and has decent pickup, it's just physically small.

LOL, I'm just a hair over 5-7, 150 lbs. How was it as far as vibration compared to other bikes you've tested?

googlegoogle
07-18-2009, 01:34 AM
http://kansascity.craigslist.org/mcy/1275409360.html sold.

Fire Me Boy!
07-18-2009, 06:26 AM
LOL, I'm just a hair over 5-7, 150 lbs. How was it as far as vibration compared to other bikes you've tested?

It's a lot quieter than the Shadow I rode the other day, but I can't really comment on vibration... it wasn't something I noticed. It got it up around 50 mph and it didn't feel strained at all. I'm only 5-10 (though significantly heavier at 230).

andoman
07-18-2009, 08:35 AM
It's a lot quieter than the Shadow I rode the other day, but I can't really comment on vibration... it wasn't something I noticed. It got it up around 50 mph and it didn't feel strained at all. I'm only 5-10 (though significantly heavier at 230).

Thanks FMB. I'm still in window shopping mode, so I appreciate your input on actual road tests. I got my permit yesterday and will now sign up for a safety course, so hopefully soon I'll be doing some road tests myself.

Midnight_Vulture
07-18-2009, 11:24 AM
Dont get one period. You're Welcome

seclark
07-18-2009, 11:31 AM
Dont get one period. You're Welcome

:Scanlon: times have changed.
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redhed
07-18-2009, 02:22 PM
Thank you FMB for starting this thread!!

Tribal Warfare
07-18-2009, 03:07 PM
:Scanlon: times have changed.
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Only MV can scam on chicks on his sweet bike

Fire Me Boy!
07-18-2009, 03:39 PM
Well, I'll probably be picking up something on Thursday. It'll either be a 2001 Vulcan 500 LTD or a 2009 Vulcan 500 LTD. Haven't made up my mind if I want to spend more money or less money, but it'll be one of those two on Thursday.

Both models are exactly the same except for color.

seclark
07-18-2009, 04:35 PM
Well, I'll probably be picking up something on Thursday. It'll either be a 2001 Vulcan 500 LTD or a 2009 Vulcan 500 LTD. Haven't made up my mind if I want to spend more money or less money, but it'll be one of those two on Thursday.

Both models are exactly the same except for color.

sweet.
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googlegoogle
07-18-2009, 06:45 PM
http://www.rubbermag.com/news/0710/imgs/071016_vdmba.jpg

I still love this look for bikes. Don't hate the jap bikes.

Don't ask me price.

Over-Head
07-18-2009, 08:56 PM
Thinking about getting my first bike... looking fairly cheap, not into speed-demon type stuff.



Just some advice about a 1993 Kawasaki Vulcan (left) or a '78 Goldwing (right).

http://images.craigslist.org/3k63m03l7ZZZZZZZZZ94e2c81debce4aa167e.jpghttp://images.craigslist.org/3k83me3pdZZZZZZZZZ9572c600972baf717ff.jpg

Johnnypag.com :thumb:

Fire Me Boy!
07-21-2009, 08:22 PM
I'm getting very anxious... like a kid waiting for Christmas. I want Thursday here faster.

wild1
07-21-2009, 08:47 PM
I remember that feeling, picking one up for the first time. If I hadn't held on I might have floated away.

Cool pic googlegoogle. Is that a speed twin?

Fire Me Boy!
07-23-2009, 03:55 PM
I'm SOOOOOOO pissed. Bastards sold both bikes out from under me. I told them I was coming today for the 2009, and they sold it this morning. Took 1/2 day off work, drove 80 miles to pick the thing up that fuckers sold it 6 hours earlier.

:banghead:

seclark
07-23-2009, 04:16 PM
I'm SOOOOOOO pissed. Bastards sold both bikes out from under me. I told them I was coming today for the 2009, and they sold it this morning. Took 1/2 day off work, drove 80 miles to pick the thing up that ****ers sold it 6 hours earlier.

:banghead:

welcome to the motorcycle experience...please have a seat and we will call your name. what was your name again?
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wild1
07-23-2009, 04:20 PM
Sorry that happened. It's a common model, I bet you can find one soon.

Buying a motorcycle isn't like buying a car. It's more like buying a television.

pr_capone
07-23-2009, 05:04 PM
I'm SOOOOOOO pissed. Bastards sold both bikes out from under me. I told them I was coming today for the 2009, and they sold it this morning. Took 1/2 day off work, drove 80 miles to pick the thing up that ****ers sold it 6 hours earlier.

:banghead:

Holy shit. I would be spitting nails right now.

Those fuckers owe you a bike and a little extra something for your troubles.

googlegoogle
07-23-2009, 05:29 PM
I remember that feeling, picking one up for the first time. If I hadn't held on I might have floated away.

Cool pic googlegoogle. Is that a speed twin?

looks like single cylinder.

wild1
07-23-2009, 05:31 PM
They don't owe him anything if he didn't reserve it with a deposit, but they should have reminded him of that fact beforehand I think.

The way the economy is, with so much inventory on their floors, I guess I don't blame them for selling a bike to someone who was in the store with cash in their hand.

wild1
07-23-2009, 05:32 PM
looks like single cylinder.

there's a pipe on the other side. look through the spokes in the rear... parallel twin

Fire Me Boy!
07-23-2009, 07:53 PM
They don't owe him anything if he didn't reserve it with a deposit, but they should have reminded him of that fact beforehand I think.

The way the economy is, with so much inventory on their floors, I guess I don't blame them for selling a bike to someone who was in the store with cash in their hand.

I totally understand it, and after the initial pissed off I get selling to the first person there with the money. I'm actually as pissed as anything that I took a half day off work and drove 80 miles for nuthin'.

googlegoogle
07-23-2009, 08:11 PM
there's a pipe on the other side. look through the spokes in the rear... parallel twin

thought it was a
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumph_Bonneville


but it's a t.tiger.

http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2008/07/31/vintage-motorcycle-days-2008-photos-2/

the photo has better angle.

great looking bikes.

wild1
07-25-2009, 09:49 AM
thought it was a
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumph_Bonneville


but it's a t.tiger.

http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2008/07/31/vintage-motorcycle-days-2008-photos-2/

the photo has better angle.

great looking bikes.

First bike I ever rode on (as a passenger) was an early 70s triumph trophy. love the brand. In fact whenever I go to auctions or shows, there are always 70s bonnevilles for sale very clean and very affordable. Would love to buy one someday, but I can't justify it. love the rocket and the new thunderbird... maybe next time I switch up

Fire Me Boy!
07-25-2009, 09:53 AM
Wifey just came in with a pic... this is my new toy... slash labradoodle.

Just brought home my very first bike.

A beautiful 1998 Honda American Classic Edition 750. 8900 miles, roughly. This pic is from the Craigslist ad.

wild1
07-25-2009, 09:54 AM
Will take pictures later, but just brought home my very first bike.

A beautiful 1998 Honda American Classic Edition 750. 8900 miles, roughly. This pic is from the Craigslist ad.

only 8900 miles, a honda is just getting broken in at 10k. on the internet you can find a PDF copy of the owner's manual if you don't have one, and you can also get one of those shop manuals for this bike as well I bet. will help you learn it inside and out and do your own maintenance. On some bikes they recommend having the valve clearances checked at 10 or 12k, probably worth having done. No more than you will spend on maintenance on a Honda, hour or two of labor is an inconsequential sum.

congrats.

Fire Me Boy!
07-25-2009, 11:37 AM
Gotta go buy some disk locks. Right now she's just under a cover.

seclark
07-25-2009, 01:35 PM
nice looking ride.
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stevieray
07-25-2009, 02:33 PM
excellent...be careful!...you'll be glad you didn't go smaller..you'll adjust to this bike pretty quickly.

when you are missing your wife..a nice ride will help out..congrats!

Fire Me Boy!
07-25-2009, 02:35 PM
when you are missing your wife..a nice ride will help out..congrats!

Oh, you mean from all the ladies I'll be picking up with the motorcycle, a la Midnight_Vulture?

Sweet.

:D

stevieray
07-25-2009, 02:41 PM
Oh, you mean from all the ladies I'll be picking up with the motorcycle, a la Midnight_Vulture?

Sweet.

:D


don't forget to pop your collar when you get off.

wild1
07-28-2009, 09:00 AM
So how is it going so far?

Fire Me Boy!
07-28-2009, 09:10 AM
So how is it going so far?

Haven't been able to ride much. The bike needed to be serviced badly, it'd been sitting in a garage for 2 years. So I stayed off it for the most part on the weekend, took it into the shop tomorrow. They said it was in great shape, but was in bad need of new plugs, which are supposed to be in this morning. Should get her back shortly, then it's ridin' time!

Just in time for a birthday alone, since the wife will be working. Looks like I'm joyriding this evening.

Dayze
07-28-2009, 09:15 AM
congrats !
Nice looking skoot.

Lzen
07-28-2009, 09:17 AM
Sweet ride. Congrats.

wild1,
where can you find owner's manuals? I need one for my 2005 Shadow Aero.

wild1
07-28-2009, 09:32 AM
I cannot remember the website, but I've always found them by searching the internet. They are out there.

Fire Me, I was turned on to a product called Seafoam. It seems to clear up 'gunk' in the system very well. I have not had a carbureted bike for a few years now, but when I brought an old ride out after the long winter I would treat the first two tanks with Seafoam (half a can for each tank was about the right mixture). A lot of people with all types of motorcycles swear by it. You can buy it at any auto parts store for less than $10.

Fire Me Boy!
07-28-2009, 09:34 AM
I cannot remember the website, but I've always found them by searching the internet. They are out there.

Fire Me, I was turned on to a product called Seafoam. It seems to clear up 'gunk' in the system very well. I have not had a carbureted bike for a few years now, but when I brought an old ride out after the long winter I would treat the first two tanks with Seafoam (half a can for each tank was about the right mixture). A lot of people with all types of motorcycles swear by it. You can buy it at any auto parts store for less than $10.

I'll keep an eye out for it. :thumb:

wild1
07-28-2009, 09:37 AM
You're welcome and don't do what's in my signature:

Lzen
07-28-2009, 09:50 AM
I cannot remember the website, but I've always found them by searching the internet. They are out there.

Well, I can't seem to find them. Perhaps I am not looking in the right place. I suppose I am stuck going to the Honda dealership.

wild1
07-28-2009, 09:53 AM
I'm sure some message forum exists for you model. Perhaps they could help.

Douche Baggins
12-03-2009, 07:15 PM
The only riding leathers you'll ever need....I'M BATMAN!

http://www.universaldesigns.ca/UDR/store/TDK/TDK.html

http://www.universaldesigns.ca/UDR/store/TDK/images/TDK_1.jpg

KCbroncoHATER
12-03-2009, 08:07 PM
You should buy a enduro bike and learn how to ride first.

Get use to it riding in the dirt them move to the pavement.

JMO.

Psyko Tek
12-03-2009, 09:51 PM
not bad advie form kcbronc


one thing to think of

I have a 78 honda twinstar
and I have a bitch of a time finding parts
and you have to order everything
and they do add up

Lzen
12-03-2009, 10:02 PM
You should buy a enduro bike and learn how to ride first.

Get use to it riding in the dirt them move to the pavement.

JMO.

Ummmm.....wth? Why?

Marcellus
12-03-2009, 10:14 PM
You should buy a enduro bike and learn how to ride first.

Get use to it riding in the dirt them move to the pavement.

JMO.

The only post from KCbroncoHater I have ever agreed with.

My first bike was too much for me, luckily I survived it but I dont recommend riding on the road first.

Marcellus
12-03-2009, 10:15 PM
Ummmm.....wth? Why?

Because if you have never had a bike there are differences you need to get familiar with like accelerating out of corners.

Mr. Kotter
12-03-2009, 10:20 PM
Because if you have never had a bike there are differences you need to get familiar with like accelerating out of corners.

Take the motorcycle safety course (MSF) offered through most community ed programs, and then spend a 1,500-2,000 or so miles on a 500-800 cc bike....over the course of a year or so....is a better option, IMHO. They teach the steering and turn and curve techniques.

:shrug:

Marcellus
12-03-2009, 10:24 PM
Take the motorcycle safety course (MSF) offered through most community ed programs, and then spend a 1,500-2,000 or so miles on a 500-800 cc bike....over the course of a year or so....is a better option, IMHO.

:shrug:

Yea the other option is to go small. I agree. But I think like a 250 or 400cc. A 750cc bike is still a lot for a newb.

My first bike was TL1000. Bad idea. LOL. The good news was once I got used to it I had a lot of bike.

Mr. Kotter
12-03-2009, 10:30 PM
Yea the other option is to go small. I agree. But I think like a 250 or 400cc. A 750cc bike is still a lot for a newb.

My first bike was TL1000. Bad idea. LOL. The good news was once I got used to it I had a lot of bike.

I'm just thinking the MSF course teaches the gyroscopic turn thing (push with outside hand, lean into the turn)....that a lot of newbs don't get. It makes such a huge difference, that with experience riding in an urban setting...offsets the need for a training-wheels type approach....but, JMHO.

But your way works too, I'd think.

Radar Chief
12-04-2009, 09:11 AM
Ummmm.....wth? Why?

nOObs have a steep learning curve and it isn’t uncommon for them to hit the ground. Dirt is softer than pavement for both you and the motorcycle.

Fire Me Boy!
12-04-2009, 09:24 AM
Because if you have never had a bike there are differences you need to get familiar with like accelerating out of corners.

I rode around town on a scooter for almost a year and after doing the MSF course I felt like that actually gave me a pretty solid foundation. Not that I haven't learned a lot since starting riding, but I've ridden pretty much every day, rain or shine, for more than 4 months.

Dayze
12-04-2009, 09:24 AM
Yea the other option is to go small. I agree. But I think like a 250 or 400cc. A 750cc bike is still a lot for a newb.

My first bike was TL1000. Bad idea. LOL. The good news was once I got used to it I had a lot of bike.

love the sound of these bikes.
Vtwins rule.

Lzen
12-04-2009, 09:28 AM
nOObs have a steep learning curve and it isn’t uncommon for them to hit the ground. Dirt is softer than pavement for both you and the motorcycle.

I guess that is true. I was a motorcycle n00b, too. Friends told me you will lay it down within the first 6 months. Well, that never happened.

siberian khatru
12-04-2009, 09:31 AM
I guess that is true. I was a motorcycle n00b, too. Friends told me you will lay it down within the first 6 months. Well, that never happened.

Sounds like you're due.

:)

(j/k Be careful!)

Lzen
12-04-2009, 09:32 AM
Sounds like you're due.

:)

(j/k Be careful!)

Ha ha ha ....... fugger! 4321

:p

Actually, that is the one thing that I am always aware of - safety. I am very careful. Have been since I started riding a bicycle around town 10 years ago. Drivers can be idiots.

SenselessChiefsFan
12-04-2009, 09:38 AM
Keep the dirty side down.

Radar Chief
12-04-2009, 09:50 AM
love the sound of these bikes.
Vtwins rule.

I don’t mind v-twins and have enjoyed riding the few v-twin sport bikes I’ve had the opportunity to throw a leg over but I grew up around 4 cylinder bikes and nothing matches the hair raising shriek of a high strung 4 cylinder sport bike whipping through the RPM’s.

Radar Chief
12-04-2009, 09:56 AM
I guess that is true. I was a motorcycle n00b, too. Friends told me you will lay it down within the first 6 months. Well, that never happened.

Starting in the dirt is just the opinion of some people.
I’m like you, started pavement and stayed there.
Not that I haven’t or don’t ride dirt bikes when the opportunity arises though.

Dayze
12-04-2009, 10:17 AM
I don’t mind v-twins and have enjoyed riding the few v-twin sport bikes I’ve had the opportunity to throw a leg over but I grew up around 4 cylinder bikes and nothing matches the hair raising shriek of a high strung 4 cylinder sport bike whipping through the RPM’s.

this is true...esepcially when you think you're about to max out the engine and look down and you have about 4k more RPM.:evil:

Fire Me Boy!
12-04-2009, 10:19 AM
this is true...esepcially when you think you're about to max out the engine and look down and you have about 4k more RPM.:evil:

This has never intrigued me.... I much prefer the low rumble of a cruiser (which is why I didn't even consider the crotch rockets).

To each his own, it sure would be boring with everyone riding the same thing. But I'd rather get to my destination in style than at 120 mph. :)

Dayze
12-04-2009, 10:23 AM
This has never intrigued me.... I much prefer the low rumble of a cruiser (which is why I didn't even consider the crotch rockets).

To each his own, it sure would be boring with everyone riding the same thing. But I'd rather get to my destination in style than at 120 mph. :)

yeah; I had my cruiser too and love it (in fact, that'll probably be my next road bike).
the sport bikes are definitely race bikes with mirrors. it's a blast to feel the acceleration etc. Then again...if you're experienceing any kind of awesomeness on a sport bike, you're probably breaking several laws :D

I'm seelling my in the spring; and maybe in the next few years I'll probably look at getting another metric cruiser.

Dayze
12-04-2009, 10:24 AM
This has never intrigued me.... I much prefer the low rumble of a cruiser (which is why I didn't even consider the crotch rockets).

To each his own, it sure would be boring with everyone riding the same thing. But I'd rather get to my destination in style than at 150 mph. :)

FYP :D

Radar Chief
12-04-2009, 10:30 AM
This has never intrigued me.... I much prefer the low rumble of a cruiser (which is why I didn't even consider the crotch rockets).

To each his own, it sure would be boring with everyone riding the same thing. But I'd rather get to my destination in style than at 120 mph. :)

For just cruising or general transportation v-twin cruisers are easier to get along with. They make power in an almost lazy fashion, probably because power is available so low in the rev range. 4 bangers are kind of buzzy by comparison.
Sport bikes in particular are not good at just lazily cruising around town. Without air moving through their body work they’ll get hot, they tend to buck and surge at low RPM’s and generally act indignant. Sport bikes are like a high-strung race horse, they want to get out and run. Fuel injection has tamed them somewhat but still it's in their DNA.

Radar Chief
12-04-2009, 10:33 AM
the sport bikes are definitely race bikes with mirrors.

Absolutely.
Sport bikes are much closer to their racing cousins than sports cars are to theirs.

Dayze
12-04-2009, 10:39 AM
For just cruising or general transportation v-twin cruisers are easier to get along with. They make power in an almost lazy fashion, probably because power is available so low in the rev range. 4 bangers are kind of buzzy by comparison.
Sport bikes in particular are not good at just lazily cruising around town. Without air moving through their body work they’ll get hot, they tend to buck and surge at low RPM’s and generally act indignant. Sport bikes are like a high-strung race horse, they want to get out and run. Fuel injection has tamed them somewhat but still it's in their DNA.

this is mostly true; they're not good for lazyily cruising - primarily (for me anyway) because of the riding position. Forearms and writsts etc. start to get fatigued.

Mine is an 08 CBR 600RR; it does buck a bit a super low revs (there is a small flat spot in the power curve around 2-3.5k if I remember) and if you're not careful you when the power recovers it can surge a bit if you're still on the throttle.. Fuel injection has helped out a ton. my ZX-6r (2003..R.I.P.) was carburated and it had a few flat spots if I recall and would get a little annoying in traffic.

Mostly though, I think the bikes want be in their happy ragnge - 8.5-12k RPM or so. The power REALLY comes on in that range; and the gears are so close together ratio-wise that you can really keep in in that range for a good flogging. But, the trade off is nearly constantly shifting (this isn't so much an issue on a litre bike given their torque). Definitely 'buzzy'. As you say...they definitley like to run/be pushed hard. And will do so with no problem.

I really liked my V-star 750's low end; it was nice for short roll-ons in traffic etc. But she was buzzy at hwy speeds (75+); mostly because of no 6th gear; and a fairly short 5th. othewise, and great bike. Especially for the $3300 i paid for her (she was 2 yrs old with 45 miles on it!) I'll probably look at another Star bike, but probaly in the 1100cc range this time.

Dayze
12-04-2009, 10:41 AM
Absolutely.
Sport bikes are much closer to their racing cousins than sports cars are to theirs.

in fact, there is a division of AMA racing call Superstock or Formula Xtreme ( I can't recall)/..the bikes are basically factory bikes with very very minor adjustments made for the track. Watching that division of racing is great; those guys ride the Sh*t out of those bikes; basically the same bikes you can go buy with no experience (a bit scary if you ask me).

Radar Chief
12-04-2009, 12:16 PM
in fact, there is a division of AMA racing call Superstock or Formula Xtreme ( I can't recall)/..the bikes are basically factory bikes with very very minor adjustments made for the track. Watching that division of racing is great; those guys ride the Sh*t out of those bikes; basically the same bikes you can go buy with no experience (a bit scary if you ask me).

Yes, you’re thinking of Super Sport. They are mostly 600cc 4 cylinders that aren’t allowed much in the way of modifications from a stock bike. Exhaust and appropriate injection mapping are about it for performance modifications.

Inspector
12-04-2009, 12:19 PM
I have never tipped my bike over.

Of course it has 4 wheels and is a car so that helps a lot.

wildcat09
12-04-2009, 12:28 PM
For my first bike, I bought a Suzuki Boulevard 800. I had zero experience on a bike. This one was perfect. I loved that bike. Problem was I travel too much and only put 3K on it over 4 years. Hated to see it go. It was shaft drive and fuel-injected and very comfortable.

chief husker
12-04-2009, 02:42 PM
Are you an organ donor?