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Jenson71
05-11-2009, 02:06 PM
Anyone and everyone...

Sorry, I'm asking for someone else I know.

Buck
05-11-2009, 02:08 PM
How old are you?

Rooster
05-11-2009, 02:09 PM
How's your eyes and math skills?

Katipan
05-11-2009, 02:09 PM
Only time I ever considered it was when a recruiter came into our classroom and told us to enlist right out of high school because it was the college grads that became officers and were sent off to the dangerous spots. We'd be safe guarding some hole in the ground in Wyoming.

DeezNutz
05-11-2009, 02:13 PM
A Naval aviator, Sir.

http://jim.edwardsdesign.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/topgun2.jpg

Jenson71
05-11-2009, 02:17 PM
Not at the academy to be an officer or pilot. Being enlisted.

Skip Towne
05-11-2009, 02:21 PM
I did it. Don't do it.

Donger
05-11-2009, 02:21 PM
Not at the academy to be an officer or pilot. Being enlisted.

Why not do ROTC or OTS?

Donger
05-11-2009, 02:22 PM
I did it. Don't do it.

Winding up the rubber bands was hard work, eh?

:D

Iowanian
05-11-2009, 02:22 PM
I've got a cousin in the AF. He went through ROTC in college and is an officer.

He's doing fine as an MP or something, and he was one of the wussies in my family tree.

There are AF members on this board who I'd ask if considering. Ask for the good and the bad.

Mr. Flopnuts
05-11-2009, 02:23 PM
The military is a great option for poor people.

seclark
05-11-2009, 02:24 PM
my son enlisted in the air force about 5 years ago. met and married his wife in school right after boot camp.

at first he was going to serve his time, then finish the one year of college he had left. she planned on doing the same. however, they both re-enlisted. she's graduated college, and he's currently taking classes. according to them, it's a great deal and for now they plan on staying in.

seems like they're doing all right. unless they're deployed, i don't think they work any more than 4days a week.

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Pestilence
05-11-2009, 02:24 PM
I did my four years in the Air Force. What do you want to know?

Skip Towne
05-11-2009, 02:25 PM
Winding up the rubber bands was hard work, eh?

:D

It is actually really easy work. At least where I was. But the pay is crap. They pay me more now to do nothing than they did when I had to show up every day.

Gonzo
05-11-2009, 02:28 PM
My father did 30 years in the USAF. Retired as a CMSGT and was the last head Boom Operator for SAC. (Strategic Air Command for you pups)

He also dod 2 tours in Nam, one Army, one AF. He was in the 101st for the Army.

It would be a good career choice IMO.

Jenson71
05-11-2009, 02:28 PM
I did my four years in the Air Force. What do you want to know?

Would you do it again now?

Gonzo
05-11-2009, 02:29 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f1/KC-135_Stratotanker_Elephant_Walk.jpg

Ari Chi3fs
05-11-2009, 02:30 PM
More chicks in Air Force than any other branch of military... but, they are mostly Marine mattresses. But, there are some hot ass Air Force chicks out there... I banged 2 while at DLI in Monterrey CA... not at the same time, though :-(

Gonzo
05-11-2009, 02:30 PM
It is actually really easy work. At least where I was. But the pay is crap. They pay me more now to do nothing than they did when I had to show up every day.

I think the pay structure has been improved since you were in skip.
Didn't they pay you with rocks or some shit? :)

Gonzo
05-11-2009, 02:32 PM
This is what my Ol' man did...

http://www.defenselink.mil/DODCMSShare/NewsPhoto/2006-08/hires_060725-F-2034C-013.jpg

Spicy McHaggis
05-11-2009, 02:32 PM
I almost did it when I was your age actually. It kinda blows my mind to think how profoundly different my life would be right now if I had, I actually would be in my 4th year of enlistment right now.

From my brief experience with it, I liked what I saw although there are certainly drawbacks. There are others on here that can speak to it better than I can.

Frazod
05-11-2009, 02:34 PM
Depends on where you get stationed. My best friend was stationed in Bitburg Germany and traveled all over Europe. He loved it - got out, went to college and went back in as an officer. He's a major now. My uncle, OTOH, spent a year and a half in Okinawa and a year and a half at some pisshole missile base in Montana, 60 miles from the nearest town (and the nearest town sucked) and he hated it. I can't say the words "air" and "force" together in a sentence to him without him getting pissed, and he's been out since before I was born. If you go in the Air Force you'll get treated better and have better accomodations than the other branches.

Now, if you go in the Navy, and are assigned to a ship, you'll live in a small room with 100 other guys and have no privacy, but you'll travel all over the world.

True, military pay is shit, but if you are smart and STAY SINGLE (trust me on this) with room and board paid it's not that bad. Obviously you should take advantage of the college thing (another mistake I made). You strike me as the sort who would have no trouble with the discipline.

As fucked up as the economy is now, seriously, you could do worse things. Hell, you might even find a career there.

Fish
05-11-2009, 02:34 PM
In highschool I had all my paperwork filled out to join the Air Force academy, and I let a woman talk me out of it...

I regret it.

Pestilence
05-11-2009, 02:34 PM
Would you do it again now?

Yeah. I met some great friends....did some cool shit and I got $36000 for college out of it. I only wish that I was smarter while I was in...and went to school. Instead....I went out partying every night.

jlscorpio
05-11-2009, 02:34 PM
I'm a 17 yr enlisted man. It's what you make of it. It's changed A LOT since I came in. It's not a bad living, just use all the benefits (college) while you're in. Get yours. It definately has the best living conditions/Quality of Life of all branches.

Otter
05-11-2009, 02:35 PM
Young Jenson in a military environment, I'd pay to be a fly on the wall when your idealism meets the steel toed boot of "shut the **** up and do what your told".

Good luck BTW, just found the contrast in philosophy amusing.

Pestilence
05-11-2009, 02:36 PM
Depends on where you get stationed. My best friend was stationed in Bitburg Germany and traveled all over Europe. He loved it - got out, when to college and went back in as an officer. He's a major now. My uncle, OTOH, spent a year and a half in Okinawa and a year and a half in some pisshole missile base in Montana, 60 miles from the nearest town (and the nearest town sucked) and he hated it. I can't say the words "air" and "force" together in a sentence to him without him getting pissed, and he's been out since before I was born. If you go in the Air Force you'll get treated better and have better accomodations than the other branches.

Now, if you go in the Navy, and are assigned to a ship, you'll live in a small room with 100 other guys and have no privacy, but you'll travel all over the world.

True, military pay is shit, but if you are smart and STAY SINGLE (trust me on this) with room and board paid it's not that bad. Obviously you should take advantage of the college thing (another mistake I made). You strike me as the sort who would have no trouble with the discipline.

As fucked up as the economy is now, seriously, you could do worse things. Hell, you might even find a career there.

Follow this....except one exception. Find one or two good buddies that you're stationed with and move off base into a house. You'll have a cool place to live....and you'll all be banking BAH (Housing Allowance) on the side.

Donger
05-11-2009, 02:37 PM
I saw a few days ago that officers make something like $90,000/year. I presume that is a major or higher. Does anyone know?

BigEd
05-11-2009, 02:38 PM
I have had the honor of serving my country in the Air Force for the past 22 years. I am now a CMSgt and serve as the Pacific Air Forces Fire Chief. I am currently living in Hawaii and I have never gone a day with regret on the decision I made. There are a lot of benefits of serving in the USAF as an enlisted Airman. The pay has risen considerably and the entitlements are outstanding (free medical/dental, free housing, free college, etc.). The key to being enlisted is the job that you receive. If you are truly interested, please drop me an email at edwardst@gmail.com and I will answer all of your questions.

Skip Towne
05-11-2009, 02:38 PM
I think the pay structure has been improved since you were in skip.
Didn't they pay you with rocks or some shit? :)

The draft was still in effect so they paid whatever they felt like paying.

Frazod
05-11-2009, 02:40 PM
I saw a few days ago that officers make something like $90,000/year. I presume that is a major or higher. Does anyone know?

You can look up the pay scales on line. My friend, IIRC, as an 0-4 with over 14 years active duty makes around $75K, but with all the extras, including command level housing with all expenses paid, plus free health care, it's like he's making well over $100,000.

Mr. Flopnuts
05-11-2009, 02:40 PM
The military is a great option for poor people.

This was totally tongue in cheek. I assume you all know me well enough to know that, but just in case, let me be clear that I have nothing but the utmost respect for those who defend my freedoms.

Radar Chief
05-11-2009, 02:42 PM
After I’d been stationed in Germany for a while I made my first trip back to Rhein Main AFB to shop at the PX there when I noticed the gate guard was smiling. I thought, “WTF is his problem?”
You never saw that going onto an Army post. No one there was happy to be pulling gate guard. Point of the story is, the soldiers I met that were in the Air Force were generally happier than the soldiers I met in the Army.
Make sure you sign up for a good job, one that translates to a job in the civilian world, and go for it. Get some duty overseas. It’ll be an eye opening experience, I guarantee.

Skip Towne
05-11-2009, 02:44 PM
I know they pay a lot beter now and the benefits are considerable. No rent or utilities, no food costs. I've seen guys gamble away their whole paycheck on payday and still make it to the next one.

Pitt Gorilla
05-11-2009, 02:45 PM
My nephew graduated from the academy and is still in the AF. He seems to enjoy what he does.

shitgoose
05-11-2009, 02:47 PM
My dad spent 12 years active duty AF and 18 years full time Kansas Air National Guard.

He retired with a nice pension and benefits at the ripe age of 48. His stories from his 3 years at Clark AFB in the Philippines and 2 years in Germany back in the late 70's were enough to make me want join when I was younger.

Could never talk myself into signing 6 years of my life away though.

Pestilence
05-11-2009, 02:48 PM
Make sure you sign up for a good job, one that translates to a job in the civilian world, and go for it. Get some duty overseas. It’ll be an eye opening experience, I guarantee.

Yeah....don't be like me. I was a Radar operator in the Air Force....and now I don't do anything that resembles it.

DeepPurple
05-11-2009, 02:49 PM
When I was 20 years old I dropped out of college and had decided to enlist. However, I had a reason to enlist, I wanted to become an air traffic controller (ATC). It sounds like you don't have any idea of what job you would like to perform, which is a more important decision. To just enlist without any research as far as schools and occupations is a major mistake.

Once I had decided the school option of ATC, I next went to every recruiter, Air Force, Navy, Marines and Army. The Air Force wanted me to select three different schools and after I had already enlisted and was in the fifth week of basic they would then let me know what school they had chosen, not a good deal for me. Every branch was the same and wanted four years except the Army gave me my school choice in writing and only required a three year enlistment. Every promise the Army recruiter made came true, including promotion to E-4 after graduation from ATC school. In fact I made E-5 in 16 months after enlistment, that could take years in the Air Force, and that means money in your pocket and less extra duties.

I'm not saying the Army is better than the Air Force, because I'm sure the Air Force is a more elite branch as far as lifestyle, however the Army does guarantee your school and rank is much quicker. Also, any aviation job in the Army is a step above the rest of the Army and is somewhat elite compared to the majority of the Army.

Radar Chief
05-11-2009, 02:50 PM
My dad spent 12 years active duty AF and 18 years full time Kansas Air National Guard.

He retired with a nice pension and benefits at the ripe age of 48. His stories from his 3 years at Clark AFB in the Philippines and 2 years in Germany back in the late 70's were enough to make me want join when I was younger.

Could never talk myself into signing 6 years of my life away though.

I know, it sounds like a lot when you look at it that way doesn’t it.
But to get any kind of a good job you’re going to have to sign for 4-6 years.
There’s a reason they offer grunts 2 year commitments.

Donger
05-11-2009, 02:52 PM
You can look up the pay scales on line. My friend, IIRC, as an 0-4 with over 14 years active duty makes around $75K, but with all the extras, including command level housing with all expenses paid, plus free health care, it's like he's making well over $100,000.

That's not too shabby.

Radar Chief
05-11-2009, 02:53 PM
Yeah....don't be like me. I was a Radar operator in the Air Force....and now I don't do anything that resembles it.

I’ve got an old high school chum that spent 6 years in the Army as a “gun bunny”, 11B Infantry. After he’d spent all his bonus money he got out with nothing more than the GI Bill money and some crazy memories.

Frazod
05-11-2009, 03:00 PM
I'm 43, and if I had done my 20 and retired I'd have been getting a decent pension for past four years now, plus I wouldn't have to pay $400 a month for motherfucking healthcare.

You don't think about that when you're young, but that's about a $2,000 swing in monthly income.

gblowfish
05-11-2009, 03:04 PM
They say there's lots of evangelicals at the AF Academy now, sort of like going to Liberty U or Notre Dame....

So, hope you're really really into Jesus...

Caseykid
05-11-2009, 05:09 PM
The daughter of my boss is an Air Force pilot flying C-130 gunships. She has done 5 tours of duty, mostly in Iraq, but at least once in Afghanistan. Within the last six months she was redeployed out of the Air Force and into the Army to serve as some kind of "Electrical Officer?" riding in the front Humvee on patrols in Iraq. It looks like for some missions the military doesn't have enough trained troops and are pulling them from other services. You might consider that aspect of it. I think my bosses daughter was upset enough about the "reassignment" that she will probably get out when her time is up.

Jim

kcfan82
05-11-2009, 05:47 PM
My dad was in the Army the and Air Force, and he said the Air Force was like a 5 star hotel in comparison.

Frazod
05-11-2009, 05:58 PM
My dad was in the Army and Air Force, he said the Air Force was like a 5 star hotel in comparison.

For a couple of months my friend in the Air Force was stationed at Hampton Air Force Base while my ship was in port in Norfolk. He shared a large room with one roommate. IIRC the room had an attached, private bathroom. Basically, this was the equivalent of a stateroom for an officer, only larger, and only the captain had a private head. So basically their no-rank enlisted men had better quarters than our officers.

When I took him on a tour of the ship and showed him the berthing compartments with their 3-high bunk beds, he was horrified. In a space the size of his barracks room, the Navy would have squeezed in at least 20 guys. :D

Tuckdaddy
05-11-2009, 06:05 PM
I've been in the AF for 17 years. For me it has been a good choice, because I didn't want to go to college. I've seen most of the world and are looking forward to my retirment check when I'm 40 in 3 years. I'll still have to work of course.

If you have the means to go to college and have a career at something you are intrested in do that instead but if not and you want to do some traveling then join the AF. I would not recommend any other branch unless you are a gung ho mutha.

The military has alot of rules you must follow but you get use to them.

dtebbe
05-11-2009, 06:16 PM
The AirForce is a great alternative to the military.

DT

alanm
05-11-2009, 06:19 PM
Anyone and everyone...

Sorry, I'm asking for someone else I know.I don't know why more kids don't do this now days. Sign up for a 4 year hitch and essentially have your college paid for when you leave.

JOhn
05-11-2009, 06:21 PM
Think I'm a little to old now, but thanks for asking. :shrug:

Mr. Kotter
05-11-2009, 06:36 PM
From what I've seen of you ideological views here, it would be an enlightening (and perhaps, difficult) experience for you....but I would encourage it, if your heart is really in it. There's no faster, and I'd argue....not many....better ways to really grow-up. I mean, really grow-up.

But, why enllist? Why not join ROTC? Unless I've misjudged you, you'd be someone who should qualify--maybe even for scholarship money depending on your major and projected "specialty"....I'd think.

Jenson71
05-11-2009, 06:45 PM
Shut up, Kotter.

Mr. Kotter
05-11-2009, 06:48 PM
Shut up, Kotter.

You said, "Anyone, and Everyone." I qualify. Heh.


Truth is sometimes hard to take though, I know. ;)

Jenson71
05-11-2009, 06:55 PM
No, just shut up.

Read the second line. My economic views have no bearing on this. And neither would they if it was me I was talking about. I've sat in classes with a former Marine who campaigned for Obama. It doesn't fucking matter. You're a ****ing moron who looks for a stupid comment anytime you can pull one off.

No matter what one's political views are, I'm sure the Air Force would be enlightening and difficult. So shut the **** up.

Bwana
05-11-2009, 06:55 PM
It depends what you go into. If you go into something that will translate into a good career after you're out, It's well worth it. I had one buddy that fueled jets when he was in, worthless when he got out. My brother on the other hand, went into Hazmad and saftey, got his master degree while he was there on their dime and has done very very well because of it.

Mr. Kotter
05-11-2009, 07:01 PM
No, just shut up.

Read the second line. My economic views have no bearing on this. And neither would they if it was me I was talking about. I've sat in classes with a former Marine who campaigned for Obama. It doesn't ****ing matter. You're a ****ing moron who looks for a stupid comment anytime you can pull one off.

No matter what one's political views are, I'm sure the Air Force would be enlightening and difficult. So shut the **** up.

Finals? Stressed, eh? :spock:

Or have you just become a total asshole...instead of a part-time arrogant punkass liberal? The latter, is excusable--most grow out of it....the former, too bad. :shrug:

:hmmm:

Jenson71
05-11-2009, 07:07 PM
Your ridiculous, baseless, superiority bullshit pisses me off.

Otherwise, this thread was great.

Dr. Facebook Fever
05-11-2009, 07:11 PM
If your friend feels he is called to serve in that way then he should go for it.

Mr. Kotter
05-11-2009, 07:30 PM
Your ridiculous, baseless, superiority bullshit pisses me off.

Otherwise, this thread was great.

It pisses you off, because you know in your heart I'm right. Heh. It's okay. Let it out.

Your thread is fine; and my advice is still sound...regardless of whether it's you...or your "friend."

Skip Towne
05-11-2009, 07:35 PM
I remember when Jenson was just a puppy that sat around wagging its tail all day. Looks like those days are gone.

Skip Towne
05-11-2009, 07:46 PM
I didn't crap for my first 10 days in boot camp. I was getting worried because I was eating like a horse. They finally sent me to the infirmary for Xrays and discovered that I was indeed full of shit. They gave me some laxatives and on the 11th day I finally took a crap.

True story, I shit you not.

Yet to this day I sometimes think you are still full of shit. :p

Mr. Kotter
05-11-2009, 07:46 PM
I remember when Jenson was just a puppy that sat around wagging its tail all day. Looks like those days are gone.

He's still a pup; still pisses is in his own house/misses the papers...to "show" the owners. Heh. ;)

JOhn
05-11-2009, 07:50 PM
I remember when Jenson was just a puppy that sat around wagging its tail all day. Looks like those days are gone.

ROFL

Thig Lyfe
05-11-2009, 07:59 PM
The Air Force is even gayer than the Coast Guard but not quite as gay as the Navy.

Buehler445
05-11-2009, 08:00 PM
I have a couple buddies that went to the navy right out. One hated it with a passion, one didn't mind as much but re-enlisted. The happy one has a wife with him.

The pay isn't what you should worry about. It's better than what I made in college.

Rain Man
05-11-2009, 10:01 PM
When civilization collapses, the Air Force will be like a big gang that comes through and takes whatever they want, kind of like those rebels in Sierra Leone. So it would be good to be in the Air Force when that happens.

Claynus
05-11-2009, 10:04 PM
This is what my Ol' man did...

http://www.defenselink.mil/DODCMSShare/NewsPhoto/2006-08/hires_060725-F-2034C-013.jpg

God, that reminds me of so many porn camera angles....

Paniero
05-11-2009, 11:13 PM
Former AFSOC Combat Controller (Hurlburt Field, FL) and AF Recruiter (South Bronx).

The AF shaped my life tremendously. I was a KC hoodlum raised near East High School/Van Brunt, and I love how I left everything that was wrong with my life behind and started fresh.

AF has great benefits. I recommend doing 4 years, not 6. Wait for the job you desire, or study for a better ASVAB score to qualify for something that translates into civilian sector.

And keep your mouth shut at MEPS, except to laugh at the Navy enlistees.

Claynus
05-11-2009, 11:14 PM
I bet I could get laid in the air force...

Frazod
05-11-2009, 11:30 PM
Former AFSOC Combat Controller (Hurlburt Field, FL) and AF Recruiter (South Bronx).

The AF shaped my life tremendously. I was a KC hoodlum raised near East High School/Van Brunt, and I love how I left everything that was wrong with my life behind and started fresh.

AF has great benefits. I recommend doing 4 years, not 6. Wait for the job you desire, or study for a better ASVAB score to qualify for something that translates into civilian sector.

And keep your mouth shut at MEPS, except to laugh at the Navy enlistees.

At least no one ever mistook me for a fucking mailman. nlm

joesomebody
05-12-2009, 09:09 AM
I say go for it. I hated my first year of college and when 9/11 hit in September of my freshman year my mind was made up. I have zero regrets and now I go to Mizzou for free. One bit of advice is to make sure and get a guaranteed job before leaving for Basic Training. I mean that, no matter what your recruiter says. Get a guaranteed job. Also, don't be a cop (security forces.) Someone said earlier that the Air Force only works 4 days a week, I don't know of any career field that does that other than the fire department. They work insane hours for those 4 days and their job is one of the harder ones. They may even do 3 24 hour shifts then 3 off or something like that.

Most jobs, at least in maintenance where I was, work 5 10s, and then are on call every 3rd weekend or so. You'll be on call a lot your first couple years.

I only served at two bases, each base is slightly different so my frame of reference is limited.

Honestly the Air Force isn't that bad of a life, it's hard work and you will get zero respect from other branches (even ass hole army/marine/navy dental assistants who think they are bad asses and have never seen what an active duty flight line is like.)

Despite what you hear, you will not be riding bikes and taking nature hikes for basic training. It's not as bad as the Army or Marine Basic, but it is still a huge pain in the ass. If you aren't in at least decent shape, I would work on that before going. It will make life a whole lot easier.


Yes, as far as your first couple years you'll live in a barracks, but AF barracks are similar or better than most dorms at major universities. Hell my first two years I had my own room, which had a kitchen, living room, my own shitter, and a separate bedroom. More of a studio apartment than a barracks.

After year three at most bases you'll be given the opportunity to live off base, and you'll receive extra money for rent and food. This is great, except you have to start paying for your meals at the chow hall if you want to go there for lunch. Air Force food is actually really good, even after eating it just about every meal for 3 years straight I will admit the food was good.

Someone earlier mentioned that rank is slow in the Air Force. This is extremely true. I made rank as fast as it is possible and I still didn't make E-5 until 2 months before the end of my 4 year enlistment. And that was even with making Senior Airman (E-4) below the zone (basically you get promoted 6 months before you have the time in service to qualify for it.)

KCHawg
05-12-2009, 09:29 AM
I bet I could get laid in the air force...


I doubt it.....in fact I don't think you could get laid in a whorehouse with a fist full of Benjamins.ROFL

bevischief
05-12-2009, 09:31 AM
I did 4 years. What are you interested in doing?

bevischief
05-12-2009, 09:32 AM
Yeah. I met some great friends....did some cool shit and I got $36000 for college out of it. I only wish that I was smarter while I was in...and went to school. Instead....I went out partying every night.

Got that right...

bevischief
05-12-2009, 09:38 AM
I did computer and display systems on the AWAC. Traveled all over the US and the world.

bevischief
05-12-2009, 09:39 AM
I'm 43, and if I had done my 20 and retired I'd have been getting a decent pension for past four years now, plus I wouldn't have to pay $400 a month for mother****ing healthcare.

You don't think about that when you're young, but that's about a $2,000 swing in monthly income.

That is the truth...

bevischief
05-12-2009, 09:40 AM
It depends what you go into. If you go into something that will translate into a good career after you're out, It's well worth it. I had one buddy that fueled jets when he was in, worthless when he got out. My brother on the other hand, went into Hazmad and saftey, got his master degree while he was there on their dime and has done very very well because of it.

This is true.

bevischief
05-12-2009, 09:42 AM
I say go for it. I hated my first year of college and when 9/11 hit in September of my freshman year my mind was made up. I have zero regrets and now I go to Mizzou for free. One bit of advice is to make sure and get a guaranteed job before leaving for Basic Training. I mean that, no matter what your recruiter says. Get a guaranteed job. Also, don't be a cop (security forces.) Someone said earlier that the Air Force only works 4 days a week, I don't know of any career field that does that other than the fire department. They work insane hours for those 4 days and their job is one of the harder ones. They may even do 3 24 hour shifts then 3 off or something like that.

Most jobs, at least in maintenance where I was, work 5 10s, and then are on call every 3rd weekend or so. You'll be on call a lot your first couple years.

I only served at two bases, each base is slightly different so my frame of reference is limited.

Honestly the Air Force isn't that bad of a life, it's hard work and you will get zero respect from other branches (even ass hole army/marine/navy dental assistants who think they are bad asses and have never seen what an active duty flight line is like.)

Despite what you hear, you will not be riding bikes and taking nature hikes for basic training. It's not as bad as the Army or Marine Basic, but it is still a huge pain in the ass. If you aren't in at least decent shape, I would work on that before going. It will make life a whole lot easier.


Yes, as far as your first couple years you'll live in a barracks, but AF barracks are similar or better than most dorms at major universities. Hell my first two years I had my own room, which had a kitchen, living room, my own shitter, and a separate bedroom. More of a studio apartment than a barracks.

After year three at most bases you'll be given the opportunity to live off base, and you'll receive extra money for rent and food. This is great, except you have to start paying for your meals at the chow hall if you want to go there for lunch. Air Force food is actually really good, even after eating it just about every meal for 3 years straight I will admit the food was good.

Someone earlier mentioned that rank is slow in the Air Force. This is extremely true. I made rank as fast as it is possible and I still didn't make E-5 until 2 months before the end of my 4 year enlistment. And that was even with making Senior Airman (E-4) below the zone (basically you get promoted 6 months before you have the time in service to qualify for it.)

This says it all.

dtebbe
05-12-2009, 09:59 AM
Someone earlier mentioned that rank is slow in the Air Force. This is extremely true. I made rank as fast as it is possible and I still didn't make E-5 until 2 months before the end of my 4 year enlistment. And that was even with making Senior Airman (E-4) below the zone (basically you get promoted 6 months before you have the time in service to qualify for it.)

This can also be true in the Army depending on what job you have. Generally speaking, with any branch, the better your job, the slower your rank. I was in the Army and in my MOS E-5 usually took about 6 years IF you busted your ass. You pretty much had to re-train to make E-6. For me, however, I concerned myself much more with learning everything I could OJT, and going to college on the Army dime at night. I spent just under 4 years in, came out with a 2 year degree, and most importantly 3 years of broadcast engineering experience. Got me right in the door at a commercial radio station right out of the Army. Still took me about 4 more years of moving every year to make any money, but that's just the way the broadcast business is.

And I may bust balls about the Air Force being lax, but they do take care of their people. I went to tech school at Lowry AFB and then was fortunate enough to be attached to the Air Force for my first assignment in Greece. My supervisor was a party-hard Air Force E-5, and honestly outside wearing a monkey suit it was like a civilian job.

If I had it all to do over again, I wouldn't change a thing. It was a huge springboard for me career-wise.

DT

joesomebody
05-12-2009, 10:12 AM
This can also be true in the Army depending on what job you have. Generally speaking, with any branch, the better your job, the slower your rank. I was in the Army and in my MOS E-5 usually took about 6 years IF you busted your ass. You pretty much had to re-train to make E-6. For me, however, I concerned myself much more with learning everything I could OJT, and going to college on the Army dime at night. I spent just under 4 years in, came out with a 2 year degree, and most importantly 3 years of broadcast engineering experience. Got me right in the door at a commercial radio station right out of the Army. Still took me about 4 more years of moving every year to make any money, but that's just the way the broadcast business is.

And I may bust balls about the Air Force being lax, but they do take care of their people. I went to tech school at Lowry AFB and then was fortunate enough to be attached to the Air Force for my first assignment in Greece. My supervisor was a party-hard Air Force E-5, and honestly outside wearing a monkey suit it was like a civilian job.

If I had it all to do over again, I wouldn't change a thing. It was a huge springboard for me career-wise.

DTThis is another thing I forgot. I think every service has one now, but the Air Force has their own Community College. You can take placement tests for credit, and with taking classes at night it is extremely easy to get your Associate's degree. I got mine within my first two years. A lot of your credits won't transfer to a major university, but smaller schools and definitly internet schools are all to happy to cater to cash paying GI bill recipients.

Gonzo
05-12-2009, 10:28 AM
I bet I could get laid in the air force...

You couldn't get laid in Saigon with a $100 bill pasted to your forhead.

patteeu
05-12-2009, 10:28 AM
This was totally tongue in cheek. I assume you all know me well enough to know that, but just in case, let me be clear that I have nothing but the utmost respect for those who defend my freedoms.

Even if it was TIC, it's still true. It's an even better opportunity for poor people than it is for rich people because rich people tend to have all kinds of other good opportunities.

patteeu
05-12-2009, 10:34 AM
It depends what you go into. If you go into something that will translate into a good career after you're out, It's well worth it. I had one buddy that fueled jets when he was in, worthless when he got out. My brother on the other hand, went into Hazmad and saftey, got his master degree while he was there on their dime and has done very very well because of it.

Dang, the shift away from full service toward self service gas stations really screwed that guy. ;)

bulldogg
05-12-2009, 11:15 AM
Good Idea....Unless you can go the college route which some folks can't. I joined the Marines to get college money, and was exposed to Air Force guys; they have the best looking girls, the best living arrangements, as well as the best food...and usually are "in the rear with the gear" during war-time,unless they are spec-ops guys. But then-again, if you are looking to kill something from 500 meters with a rifle, the Marines is the way to go(sorry had to get my little propaganda in)

Claynus
05-12-2009, 11:17 AM
You couldn't get laid in Saigon with a $100 bill pasted to your forhead.

Why not?

(shovels coal on thread) :D

Skip Towne
05-12-2009, 11:25 AM
I bet I could get laid in the air force...

You couldn't get in the Air Force. They have a test.

Claynus
05-12-2009, 11:27 AM
You couldn't get in the Air Force. They have a test.

What's on it? I guarantee you I could get in the Air Force now that I'm not a fat, out-of-shape pussy anymore.

Skip Towne
05-12-2009, 11:29 AM
What's on it? I guarantee you I could get in the Air Force now that I'm not a fat, out-of-shape pussy anymore.

Prove it

Claynus
05-12-2009, 11:30 AM
Prove it

Can I just waltz down there and take the test? I don't want to fucking commit to anything.

Skip Towne
05-12-2009, 11:43 AM
Can I just waltz down there and take the test? I don't want to fucking commit to anything.

They might do that.

joesomebody
05-12-2009, 11:51 AM
Can I just waltz down there and take the test? I don't want to ****ing commit to anything.you could take a practice asvab without commiting, and I suppose technically you could go clear through all of the Meps screening and then back out, but that would be an awful lot of work and paperwork just to prove a point.

ASVAB is the least of the hard part, its the physical that gets a lot of people. Pretty much any medical problems in the past or present void your entry. This is basically all branches, not just the AF.

Stanley Nickels
08-28-2010, 07:54 PM
Bump..
Jenson, did you end up joining the Air Force?

I've been looking diligently into joining either the Navy or Air Force. I'm tired of what I'm doing-- my job is of little consequence, and I'm really wanting a military field that can lead to future success. From what I can tell, I'd really like to pursue the Intel/Cryptology duties. I really wanted to go Navy, as I could be an Information Warfare Officer (I have my degree), and hopefully attend DLI. But, the problem is, I'm 26 and married, and most seem to think the Air Force is the closest thing to resembling a normal family life (and, yes, I'm prepared to travel).

So, some feedback: I'd really like to do cryptology (not the fancy, mythological novel stuff), language, and intel. The post-military job fields are incredibly lucrative, and I can combine that with my current tech certifications.

Ari, did you enjoy DLI?
Jenson, are you liking the Air Force?
Any thoughts on my joining either branch?

dean1
08-28-2010, 09:47 PM
jenson71 i'll tell you about the military if you help me figure out how to post,

BigMeatballDave
08-29-2010, 06:05 AM
I live right next to Wright-Patterson AFB. Some hot air...women?

Bwana
08-29-2010, 06:26 AM
jenson71 i'll tell you about the military if you help me figure out how to post,

It looks like you figured the posting part out.

bevischief
08-29-2010, 08:33 AM
go for something you can do when you get out.

Slainte
08-29-2010, 10:09 AM
jenson71 i'll tell you about the military if you help me figure out how to post,

C'mon, paisan -- how can you turn down an offer like this?

Flachief58
08-29-2010, 11:57 AM
I enjoyed the time I served. I got to see parts of the world I may never have otherwise seen. I come from a family of military vets and am proud to call myself a veteran. I will be heading to Chicago on tuesday to watch my youngest son graduate from Naval basic training and could'nt be prouder. The military is an elite club of brave young men & women who are willing to do what it takes to ensure all of us can live a life with the freedoms we all take for granted. I hope your friend does enlist, if he does he will be a better man for it and I for one will always be grateful for his service!

Chiefs Rool
08-29-2010, 12:06 PM
I'm 31 years old and I'm thinking about joining.

I'm not in great shape either, but I'm actually trying to get in shape in case I fully decide to do it. I would probably have to get lasik eye surgery done first though, which would be good for me anyways.

Do you think I'm too old?

Flachief58
08-29-2010, 12:16 PM
The recruters job is to weed out those who may be too old, out of shape or otherwise not a good fit. Keep in mind that there are alot of young people who are looking to the military for job security in this recession. It's worth a shot, but you have a long road to hoe.


I'm 31 years old and I'm thinking about joining.

I'm not in great shape either, but I'm actually trying to get in shape in case I fully decide to do it. I would probably have to get lasik eye surgery done first though, which would be good for me anyways.

Do you think I'm too old?

Brock
08-29-2010, 12:42 PM
The air force is way more selective than the army or marines, who have been missing their recuiting goals.

baitism
08-29-2010, 02:31 PM
The air force is way more selective than the army or marines, who have been missing their recuiting goals.

It's not that they are more selective, it is just more people enlist to join the air force or navy because they know they won't see combat.

Flachief58
08-29-2010, 02:42 PM
Just because you're not on the front line does'nt mean you won't see combat. Airforce bases and Naval ships get attacked too. Those wanting to join the Air Force or Navy are held to higher standards due to the technology they are operating. A C-D gpa just isn't gonna work when you're asked to operate or maintain multi million dollar equiment. In other words, they are way more selective than the army or marines. The gap is closing due to weapons tech. advances though, so I will give you that.


It's not that they are more selective, it is just more people enlist to join the air force or navy because they know they won't see combat.

Frazod
08-29-2010, 02:49 PM
I'm 31 years old and I'm thinking about joining.

I'm not in great shape either, but I'm actually trying to get in shape in case I fully decide to do it. I would probably have to get lasik eye surgery done first though, which would be good for me anyways.

Do you think I'm too old?

When I was in bootcamp, there was a 31 year old in my company who did just fine. Of course, Navy bootcamp isn't all that physically demanding.

Be prepared to get called "Gramps," though.

KCtotheSB
08-29-2010, 02:51 PM
Currently in the Air Force, what would you like to know?

Brock
08-29-2010, 04:13 PM
It's not that they are more selective, it is just more people enlist to join the air force or navy because they know they won't see combat.

So they can be more selective, which they are.

http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2010/08/air-force-recruits-score-high-on-asvab-082210w/

Rain Man
08-29-2010, 04:17 PM
If your long-term career goals include being an international mercenary, I think the army or marines would be a better choice. Otherwise, the air force seems like a good option. I wish I'd done the military thing when I got out of college, because it seems like it's not just a job, but perhaps more of an adventure.

vailpass
08-29-2010, 04:18 PM
I haven't read the thread, at the risk of repeating someone:
If your friend goes AF and gets in to INT, infosec, IS, or any of the other tracks that require him/her to obtain a TS/SCI/Poly clearance he/she will be laying a solid path for a very good civilian career when they get out.

Brock
08-29-2010, 04:19 PM
If your long-term career goals include being an international mercenary, I think the army or marines would be a better choice. Otherwise, the air force seems like a good option. I wish I'd done the military thing when I got out of college, because it seems like it's not just a job, but perhaps more of an adventure.

Most of the guys I know that did that are happy they did because of the mostly free health care and meds.

Stanley Nickels
08-29-2010, 05:51 PM
I haven't read the thread, at the risk of repeating someone:
If your friend goes AF and gets in to INT, infosec, IS, or any of the other tracks that require him/her to obtain a TS/SCI/Poly clearance he/she will be laying a solid path for a very good civilian career when they get out.

It's not my friend; it's me.
I just got a promotion at work, which would put me on pace to make as much as I would starting in officer school, but unless I join the corporate arm of my company, my promotion is pretty much the cap of what I can achieve with my current company. And, like I said before, I just get restless with providing a service and going home. It doesn't challenge me, and it doesn't really feel like I'm making a difference.

KCtotheSB, what was the family atmosphere like? I know there are implicit risks with joining the military as a married man, but I've heard the Air Force allows you to maintain something that at least resembles a family life. Are you an officer? Would you dissuade someone who has no prior military experience from joining as an officer?

Rain Man
08-29-2010, 06:40 PM
Most of the guys I know that did that are happy they did because of the mostly free health care and meds.


Honestly, pretty much any government job is better than any private sector job these days unless you're on Wall Street pulling down nine-digit bonuses for ruining America.

boogblaster
08-29-2010, 08:03 PM
can u roller-skate

Stanley Nickels
08-30-2010, 06:56 AM
So, I told my wife I was interested in the Air Force and: holy monkey wrench, Batman, she wants to enlist too. Problem is, I'd be going in as an officer, and she can't do that (no degree). Other thing is, I figured if I went in, she would accompany me with whatever we were doing. I did some research and found out that about 20% of married couples that are enlisted can't even travel together.

JohninGpt
08-30-2010, 07:04 AM
It's not that they are more selective, it is just more people enlist to join the air force or navy because they know they won't see combat.

Just plain wrong. I served in both wars in Iraq, which is to be expected of a Seabee. But regular fleet sailors have been going to Iraq and Afganistan as prison guards and a lot of other functions. Same goes for Air force folks.
There are no front lines or safe jobs.

Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan
08-30-2010, 08:15 AM
Stanley,

If you are still thinking about joining and going intel, give me a PM. I was a 98C in the Army, (Signals Intelligence Analyst - enlisted). I did two tours at DLI for languages as well as both learning and teaching Cryptanalysis.

Mind you, I've been out a few years (99), but I'm pretty sure some things (like training) are still the same based on the military guys and civilians I work with here as a Gov. Contractor in the Ft. Meade area.

KCtotheSB
08-30-2010, 08:26 AM
It's not my friend; it's me.
I just got a promotion at work, which would put me on pace to make as much as I would starting in officer school, but unless I join the corporate arm of my company, my promotion is pretty much the cap of what I can achieve with my current company. And, like I said before, I just get restless with providing a service and going home. It doesn't challenge me, and it doesn't really feel like I'm making a difference.

KCtotheSB, what was the family atmosphere like? I know there are implicit risks with joining the military as a married man, but I've heard the Air Force allows you to maintain something that at least resembles a family life. Are you an officer? Would you dissuade someone who has no prior military experience from joining as an officer?

I can't necessarily speak for the other services, but just based on casual talks with some Army and Marines, the Air Force is about as close to a normal family life as you're going to get in the military. My wife has epileptic seizures at night when she's asleep and I work in an environment that is 24/7. Because of my wife's condition, my leadership has allowed me to work a normal 7-5 job, M-F. However, a lot of others are not nearly so fortunate, having to work horrific hours that see them change from swings, to days over to mids all in the span of five days. Between that and surprise trips to the middle of bumf**k countries (which as much as some people might not want to do, is a necessity if you're going to be in the armed services), the Air Force is very good in regards to maintaining a family. Just be sure beforehand that your intended spouse is alright with traveling and seeing new places, otherwise your marriage might be doomed from the get-go.

And no, I am not an officer. Would I dissuade one from being an officer? Personally, yes, but I'm not sure what the individual joining is looking for. Myself, I'm a follower and prefer that role a shitton more than being a leader in most any capacity. If you're coming in as a 2nd Lietenant, expecting to spit fire and take command of your subordinates from Day One, then people will hate you inside and out. Respect is something you earn and as long as that "officer-bound" individual remembers that, then he should be fine.